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Equipment & Techniques => Cameras, Lenses and Shooting gear => Topic started by: ErikKaffehr on December 30, 2012, 09:59:22 pm

Title: Which image do you prefer
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 30, 2012, 09:59:22 pm
Hi,

If you are interested in taking part click on the link below and please and make sure you see the image in full size.

http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Images/Zeissness_3/F8/oranges.html

Here are some more crops from the same images:

http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Images/Zeissness_3/F8/flower.html

http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Images/Zeissness_3/F8/bokeh.html

http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Images/Zeissness_3/F8/dollar.html

The "bokeh crop" surprises me, right image showing more DoF. May have to do with wavy curvature of field?

Please tell us which you prefer

Best regards
Erik
Title: my choice
Post by: hsteeves on December 30, 2012, 10:07:57 pm
is the 3rd one(far right).  I prefer the sharpness and less noise. I almost would take the color from the middle shot, however.
Title: Re: my choice
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 30, 2012, 11:01:14 pm
Thank you!

Erik

is the 3rd one(far right).  I prefer the sharpness and less noise. I almost would take the color from the middle shot, however.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 30, 2012, 11:47:11 pm
The left one: better bokeh and sharpness.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: kencameron on December 31, 2012, 12:12:37 am
I prefer the orange in the left image, and overall still marginally the left image, but I don't care for the background much in either the left or centre.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: degrub on December 31, 2012, 12:14:07 am
Left for isolation with good background blur.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Bryan Conner on December 31, 2012, 12:21:44 am
The image on the left.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Fine_Art on December 31, 2012, 01:32:17 am
Left. The distance to the background is wrong for the other 2 lenses.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 31, 2012, 03:49:57 am
Hi,

Thanks for comment. Don't really understand your statement on distance to the background. Nothing moved except that tripod mount was used on two of the lenses. Distance to subject was 3.8 m from camera, so I think difference matters little.


It's interesting to see that almost all posters prefer the left image.


Best regards
Erik

Left. The distance to the background is wrong for the other 2 lenses.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Fine_Art on December 31, 2012, 04:17:51 am
Hi,

Thanks for comment. Don't really understand your statement on distance to the background. Nothing moved except that tripod mount was used on two of the lenses. Distance to subject was 3.8 m from camera, so I think difference matters little.


It's interesting to see that almost all posters prefer the left image.


Best regards
Erik


yeah, my mistake. I am thinking of the registration distance on the back being longer so narrower angle of light to the sensor. Making the shot look the same would require a movement of the tripod. That is wrong.

So you are using 150mm fl approx for all shots. So the bokeh difference on the lettering is a parameter of the lens design not the distance. Its surprising to me as sony lenses are usually pretty good on that. Still, the hassy lens looks quite a bit better.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 31, 2012, 04:36:17 am
I am much surprised that the image on the right, Sony 70-400/4-5.6 has seemingly wider DoF than the others. It's much more visible in the "bookeh crops", here: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Images/Zeissness_3/F8/bokeh.html

Exposure was essentially the same on all.


Best regards
Erik


yeah, my mistake. I am thinking of the registration distance on the back being longer so narrower angle of light to the sensor. Making the shot look the same would require a movement of the tripod. That is wrong.

So you are using 150mm fl approx for all shots. So the bokeh difference on the lettering is a parameter of the lens design not the distance. Its surprising to me as sony lenses are usually pretty good on that. Still, the hassy lens looks quite a bit better.

Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Hening Bettermann on December 31, 2012, 01:51:13 pm
The right one (Sony) has wider DOF, so as a landscaper, I would prefer it for that reason. -
It will be interesting to see a test in the corners of a full frame camera.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Chairman Bill on December 31, 2012, 02:15:12 pm
Clearly a Leica lens would be best - you'd be able to taste the orange
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Fine_Art on December 31, 2012, 02:54:10 pm
I am much surprised that the image on the right, Sony 70-400/4-5.6 has seemingly wider DoF than the others. It's much more visible in the "bookeh crops", here: http://echophoto.dnsalias.net/ekr/Images/Zeissness_3/F8/bokeh.html

Exposure was essentially the same on all.


Best regards
Erik



On that set I see the 70-400 looking about a couple stops higher f number. It looks like an f 5.6 to f 8 difference.

The hassy is showing chromatic aberration, not bad but definitely a distraction on specular highlights. The other 2 lenses seem properly controlled. The 200 2.8 still seems to want to form a double hard edge in the bokeh. Does that lens have a microadjuster? My 300 f4G has a ring that turns to slightly adjust the relationship between the elements.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: ErikKaffehr on December 31, 2012, 03:36:35 pm
Hi,

Yes it even adds a bit of gin.

Best regards
Erik
Clearly a Leica lens would be best - you'd be able to taste the orange
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: PeterAit on December 31, 2012, 03:54:28 pm
Gee, I am just hanging around with nothing interesting or useful to do, so I'll surely take your quiz. NOT. Please, give us a break.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: maxgruzen on December 31, 2012, 04:43:31 pm
SONY
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 31, 2012, 05:29:00 pm
Gee, I am just hanging around with nothing interesting or useful to do, so I'll surely take your quiz. NOT. Please, give us a break.

Grinch stole your New Year too? ;)
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: MrSmith on December 31, 2012, 05:44:58 pm
Voted left but right reminded me of the first 5d and how the noise like nice film grain wasn't obtrusive.
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: IWC Doppel on January 02, 2013, 06:16:21 am
Left one for me too
Title: Re: Which image do you prefer
Post by: Derry on January 04, 2013, 08:59:19 pm
another left one here,,

Derry