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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: JoeKitchen on November 13, 2012, 12:37:45 pm
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After looking at many images on the Internet, the R mount looks just like lens boards for film lenses. Can you mount it yourself? If not, why? (I realize with Alpa, the focusing helicoid would present a major problem, but here there is none. I just do not understand why someone would pay $900 to have the lens mounted)
Also, would it be possibly to mount a electronic copal shutter yourself?
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The devil is in the details.
The required precision is very very high to make the system work the way it's supposed to (any lens on any body will have the same offset for infinity).
They mount, calibrate, and check the mounting to very high standards to insure this is the case.
If you want a system that does not require such mounting precision you could easily go with an Arca F-line, in which case the lens boards do not have to be mounted with any special degree of precision (since all of your focusing is ground-glass based in that case any variation in mounting precision would be automatically accounted for in your method of focusing).
If you want the benefit of the R-system (whereby a certain helical focus position corresponds to an exact focus distance), then you need to have them mount it for you.
BTW If you're interested in Schneider Electronic Lenses for Arca please shoot me an email; we have a set in pre-owned inventory at a good price (relative to buying the lens, shutter, and mounting separately).
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Mounting the two elements of the lens into a shutter can also be tricky if you do not know what you are doing, both optically and mechanically as you can quite easily damage the shutter blades or mechanism if you over tighten it.
BTW there is no such thing called Copal electronic shutter for these lenses.
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After looking at many images on the Internet, the R mount looks just like lens boards for film lenses. Can you mount it yourself? If not, why? (I realize with Alpa, the focusing helicoid would present a major problem, but here there is none. I just do not understand why someone would pay $900 to have the lens mounted)
Also, would it be possibly to mount a electronic copal shutter yourself?
Is that just the cost of mounting or does that include the shutter and the plate?
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I believe $900 is the cost for the whole thing.
Going back to the mounting question, it appears as if each lens has its own dedicated lens board and ring system. If this is the case, I do not see the ability to do much adjusting on Arca's part when mounting. (I doubt Arca throws the board or rings on a lathe, when calibrating, to shave a few microns off.) So the only calibrating that could be done would be how tight the lens is screwed into the shutter, and whether or not Arca uses washers between the lens and board for calibration. So this calibration could be done in the studio with a focus chart, ruler, and an afternoon (and possibly a tork wrench modified to grib the lens/shutter).
Insofar as the focusing device, I have no plans on ever using it to focus. I would either focus while shooting tethered with live view at F/11 or smaller, or just set the camera at infinity (or close to it) for exteriors while at F/11 or smaller. Given this, would it really matter to have a "perfect factory" mounting.
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I believe $900 is the cost for the whole thing.
Going back to the mounting question, it appears as if each lens has its own dedicated lens board and ring system. If this is the case, I do not see the ability to do much adjusting on Arca's part when mounting. (I doubt Arca throws the board or rings on a lathe, when calibrating, to shave a few microns off.) So the only calibrating that could be done would be how tight the lens is screwed into the shutter, and whether or not Arca uses washers between the lens and board for calibration. So this calibration could be done in the studio with a focus chart, ruler, and an afternoon (and possibly a tork wrench modified to grib the lens/shutter).
Insofar as the focusing device, I have no plans on ever using it to focus. I would either focus while shooting tethered with live view at F/11 or smaller, or just set the camera at infinity (or close to it) for exteriors while at F/11 or smaller. Given this, would it really matter to have a "perfect factory" mounting.
I actually agree with your last statement. If - for sure - you never intend to use the distance-reference system of focusing and will only be focusing at a specific hyperfocal or by means of live view then I'd say you don't need perfect factory calibration. I'd be concerned however that your use of the equipment, once in hand, might evolve beyond your current vision of how it will be used.
Anyway, Arca is a small company. A dealer which is in close communication with them might be able to convince them to sell you a bare set of tubes at a price lower than the full retro-fit. Frankly I personally think this is a bad way to save money on a system which costs $10k, but I see where you're coming from.
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Although it may the best (and the only way to get lenses for the system) by purchesing them already mounted and calibrated, when making the leap to the Arca r system. And I will probably start off with manuel shutters due to price and availablity.
However I would like to get electronic shutters eventually (espeically if the DHW shutters actually makes it to market). Given this, I would not want to send my lenses away and pay the fee again to change the shutters. I would prefer just to do it myself to save on time and cost; I have changed boards and shutters on film lenses in the past. This is why I ask.
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There is definitely some logic to your thought process here, as non-traditional as it is.
I'd explore the options further with your Arca dealer of choice.
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Just contact Arca and tell them you don't want to send your lenses anywhere. I'm sure they will still want your business.
Calibrating the set up should be no problem thanks to it being digital giving you immediate feedback. It's not rocket science
or the complicated mirror and screen calibration of a reflex camera.
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As I understand it, the 900.00 only covers the mount to the Acra R system. The copal shutter is always included in the cost of a lens in all of the purchases I have made.
Example is the 60mm Schneider Digitar. Last year that lens was around $4650.00 in an Arca mount. That is everything. I am not sure who is placing the copal in the lens, Schneider or Arca.
Another example is you can purchase any of the lenses used ie. Rodenstock or Schneider have have Arca mount it to their R system. Cost is $900 up to a 105mm and I believe it goes to $1250 past 105mm since you are adding in spacing adapter. Any lens past 105mm needs a spacer between the back and Acra plate that the back attaches to, i.e. 120mm, 150mm 180 etc. For each of these the spacer get a bit larger and creates an extra step in the field, that of placing the spacer between the R Camera and the back.
Each Arca R mount comes ready to use in the R series of Cameras (without the sliding back adapter or rotating back adapter). If you want to use either of these you remove at least one of the
rings.
Paul
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It should be noted that Arca don't just mount the lens in the tube and send it back. They also make some other very welcome changes of some other parts. The magnetic angled cable release, angled sync terminal, new and better shutter opening leaver and the angled aperture lever. Also included is the magnetic cable release and mask for the VarioFinder.
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It should be noted that Arca don't just mount the lens in the tube and send it back. They also make some other very welcome changes of some other parts. The magnetic angled cable release, angled sync terminal, new and better shutter opening leaver and the angled aperture lever. Also included is the magnetic cable release and mask for the VarioFinder.
Yes this would be very important for manual lens, and it is looking more and more that you can not just buy the board and rings for the lens without buying the lens already mounted. However, for eletronic shutters, none of what you mentioned would really matter. My concern is if I bought manual lenses already mounted and wanted to upgrade to electronic shutters later on, I would like to just switch them myself.
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I'm curious what your motivation to have electronic shutters would be. There are good reasons, but in the end I can only think of one of our customers using such a setup (and he is selling his kit back to us).
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Right now I am working with a 5DII and shortly plan on making the leap to medium format. Although I cant stand almost everything about working with a 35mm DSLR (being that I learned on 4x5), I know I will miss the fact that I can control my camera through my laptop. I also will miss the ability to move in third stops with the shutter. Not to mention I am a perfectionist and do not want to risk moving the camera when cocking the lens and compositing shots (which I do from time to time).
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Joe, for your interiors it sounds like you would be better off with a view style camera like the M-Line Two MF rather than a tech camera. Mounting lenses is dirt cheap and swapping to electronic shutters in the future would be much less painful. You can use any lens you like from super wide to telephoto.
....... And I just happen to know someone who is selling one - cough, cough. ;)
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=71714.0 (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=71714.0)
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It's a great camera and thanks for sharing. However, at this time, I really think a RM3Di would be the best solution given that I am usually out on location somewhere. With that said, I am trying to get more studio work, so the M Line 2 may be in the equation a couple years down the road.
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Regardless of me having one for sale, the M is very compact and just as happy in the studio as out. Its nowhere near as big as a traditional view camera but with the flexibility and lower cost associated with one. To get similar movements as the M you'll have to step up to the RL3di that is designed for 5x4 which is a much bigger camera than the Rm3di. Attached is a (not very good) picture on mine on location shooting fireplaces to give you an impression of its compact size.
Might be well worth asking your dealer to test drive one before you jump in.
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It should be noted that Arca don't just mount the lens in the tube and send it back. They also make some other very welcome changes of some other parts. The magnetic angled cable release, angled sync terminal, new and better shutter opening leaver and the angled aperture lever. Also included is the magnetic cable release and mask for the VarioFinder.
the tube "rotatslide remove" is also a part of the bundle !
you you have your lens mounted on the lensboard and the first tube (some lenses don't need the first tube, there is also some curve lensboard... for the 35XL it's the case... ) and calibrated (around a micron or two for the precision...)
+ magnetic socket for the cable
+ special cable
+ "rotaslide remove" tube
+ new sync socket
but the shutter comes with the lens !
Calibration is a nightmare... once i had to change a copal for the same but new copal... the calibration was off...
you really can't do by yourself !
here is the link... in french ;-)
http://www.arca-swiss-magasin.com/contents/fr/d49_montage-etalonnage-objectif.html
and a picture from Capture integration...
you can see the lens on the round lensboard + 2 tubes (+ the optional flat lensboard to mount your R lens on a M or F line)
(http://www.captureintegration.com/wp-content/uploads/ArcaSwissRM3Di-LensBoard.jpg)
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Sorry about the dust but here are some shots I did when I first got my camera of some of the extra bits involved in the lens mounting process.
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If you can use a screwdriver and a lens wrench / lens key then you could mount your own lenses. There's no helical on the Arca mount, so as long as it's machined correctly my cat could do it. He could mount it for an Alpa or a Cambo as well come to that, even the T/S Cambo mount (and he's a real dummy, spends most of his time chasing his tail and getting his belly rubbed).
Of course, the problem is you can't actually buy the mounts - and no enterprising far-eastern engineering student on eBay has yet figured out that this is a potentially lucrative business opportunity staring them in the face.
I'm sorry, but the attitude that 'it has to be done at the factory' is the photographic equivalent of 'rust-proofing' in 'The Dealership' epsiode of Seinfeld*. I've mounted/unmounted any number of lenses in a variety of helicals/mounts/lensboards over the years without a hitch; I just remounted a 47mm digitar onto a Fotoman helical and mount for a friend, adjusted the lens for infinity focus and bingo, she creates tack sharp images as every bit as wonderful as those I've seen produced by the same lens in Alpa and Cambo mounts - and for a whole lot less than what the 'big three' charge.
Since Henry Fox Talbot fell head first out of a tree we've been tweaking helicals and taking lenses apart, cleaning the shutters, screwing them back together, carting them around in cases on planes, trains and automobiles, knocking and bumping them, getting them baking hot and freezing cold, soaking wet etc. - but now in the digital age they have all suddenly become so fragile and delicate that attaching them to a dumb old helical and then to a piece of machined metal (and perhaps installing an angled sync and cable release socket) is, apparently, beyond us. This can now only be done in hermetically sealed rooms by folks in white coats with PhDs and exotic accents (at least, that's the scenario I imagine). This is utter madness.
Whilst I understand that this is a lucrative part of the business model of these companies … at the end of the day, from the perspective of the end-user, this is all about choice (or, more correctly, the lack of it). If you want to send your lens away to be mounted then great, go for it - but if not, wouldn't it be nice to have the choice to do this yourself?
Thinking about it, I would even pay 75% of what they are asking to do the work themselves if they would just send the hardware straight to me. That's right, I'd pay them to do nothing other than ship the parts. It'd be worth it for all the stress and hassle it would save of 'temporarily exporting' expensive lenses and the 'temporary importation' of them on the other end. I once sent some lenses to be retrofitted to one of the 'big three' and the 'advice' I got was to mark the shipment as 'lenses for repair' and value it for under $100 - so they didn't have to pay any import taxes, as they had no facility to 'temporarily import'. Er, ok, but you know what, you can't insure a shipment for less than it's declared value, so if it goes missing, who's going to pay? I would have got $100 for $4k worth of lenses - or maybe they, or the overseas dealer that was handling the money side of things, would have reimbursed me (er, right). Looking back, I realize that I was effectively railroaded into breaking the law by giving the false valuation and misleading description (a combination of naivety and necessity got the better of me that time, but I wouldn't do it again). And I paid over $3k for the pleasure, sheesh. I wonder if this is the deal with the other two of the 'big three' - do they have the facility to 'temporarily import' items (which is a fairly involved procedure, usually requiring the posting of a bond of some description to make sure the goods are exported again), or is everything shipped to them with 'a nod and a wink', trusting FedEx or UPS to deliver everything in good shape … interesting, because (as mentioned above) deliberate under-valuation or falsification of the customs declaration (e.g. stating 'for repair' - thus implying little or no value in the present condition) is illegal from here to Timbuktu. Any A/S, Alpa or Cambo dealer like to comment on how you handle this when you send lenses to be retrofitted? I guess if a company has no 'temporary importation' facility for me, they don't for you either? So, what do you do? Maybe you dodge the bullet and get your customer to ship their lenses direct (as in my case) and let them sweat it? If so, what do you advise them to do about insurance and custom's declarations?
Jim
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*For no one familiar with the episode of Seinfeld I refer to, Jerry goes to buy a new car and is almost forced into buying the expensive rust-proofing, which is both pointless and expensive … but the dealership insists is absolutely necessary. Eventually Puddy (the salesman) acknowledges that, 'Oh, we don’t even know what it is'.
** Quick thoughts on the Fotoman dmini, since no one ever mentions Fotoman cameras. From my brief time with it - Positives: Nicely machined, helical is good, feels solid, decently finished, great value for money (the body, grip and viewfinder cost less than Alpa's viewfinder alone), and they've since released an adapter plate that is adjustable to +/- 0.3mm. The helicals are particularly nice because they're 9cm in diameter, so the distances aren't as crowded as on the smaller Schneider ones - would work nicely with precision focussing rings (if Fotoman made them). The viewfinder is better than Cambo's (which, for the money, is abysmal), not as good as Alpa's or Arca's (Arca's is the best I've seen, but personally I find them all horrible to work with). I prefer the way the masks fit on the Fotoman to those of either Alpa or Cambo. The helicals also offer 1.5mm more travel than the Schneider's, so you can focus closer. Negatives: Don't like the way the lens attaches (four thumb screws - just like Horseman - too fiddly), the distance markings on the helical need checking, and the adapter plate is screwed on (you can change it, but need a screwdriver). All in all, if you want a really compact tech camera for under $1500 all-in (body + grip + viewfinder + mount + helical) then the dmini is one - perhaps the only - option ... and Fotoman will happily sell you the helicals and mounts as well for future lens purchases. I believe they will also custom make mounts for the same cost as the standard ones they sell (do ya hear me Arca, Alpa and Cambo? Custom mounts for the same cost - now that's customer service).
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Re: Temporary export for repairs
This is about my experience in Japan when I had to send off my Imacon 132C to Hasselblad. I went to the customs office in Kobe and explained to them that I wanted to send the back to Denmark for repairs. I showed them proof that I had purchased it from a private seller, with the Paypal invoice showing the value. I also showed them the relevant correspondence with Hasselblad. I filled in a form that had the item description, serial number, the value for insurance and customs purposes (the same as the Paypal invoice), the reason for the "temporary export" and Hasselblad's and my addresses. The customs officer put his seal on a number of copies of the form. I then had to take the forms to the customs officer sitting in an office in the post office building. After verifying what I was exporting, he pasted one copy on the outside of the box, one went inside the box (that he sealed), one for me, and two for the post office. This ensured that Hasselblad wouldn't be charged duty when it reached Denmark, and neither would I when it was returned to me in Japan. It took an hour at the customs office, five minutes at the inspector's office and ten minutes at the post office. All said, a fairly easy and pleasant process.
Perhaps a similar procedure would exist in the US for upgrading equipment?
Kumar
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That sounds great Kumar - all very well organised.
The only thing I would say is that you were genuinely sending the DB for repair, so no need to falsify the reason for return. Since their DBs have to be returned to Hasselblad in Sweden for servicing/repair, I would presume they have the correct procedures in place for temporary importation.
This last part is the difficult one and, as far as I have been able to ascertain (including a call to my border services agency), this cannot be negotiated by simply attaching the correct form to the package (otherwise unscrupulous shippers would take advantage of it to avoid import duties and taxes).
The receiving company must have the correct facilities in place for temporary importation (usually in the form of a 'bonded warehouse'), otherwise when they receive a package valued at $5k marked 'camera lenses for adjustment' (i.e. correct value and description) they will be charged import duties - just like you or I would be if accepting the package.
BTW:When sending my lenses to be retrofitted, I was informed that if such charges were incurred, they would be passed straight back to me to pay! Er, thanks.
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If you can use a screwdriver and a lens wrench / lens key then you could mount your own lenses. There's no helical on the Arca mount, so as long as it's machined correctly my cat could do it.
I'm sorry, but the attitude that 'it has to be done at the factory' is the photographic equivalent of 'rust-proofing' in 'The Dealership' epsiode of Seinfeld*. I've mounted/unmounted any number of lenses in a variety of helicals/mounts/lensboards over the years without a hitch; I just remounted a 47mm digitar onto a Fotoman helical and mount for a friend, adjusted the lens for infinity focus and bingo, she creates tack sharp images as every bit as wonderful as those I've seen produced by the same lens in Alpa and Cambo mounts - and for a whole lot less than what the 'big three' charge.
Since Henry Fox Talbot fell head first out of a tree we've been tweaking helicals and taking lenses apart, cleaning the shutters, screwing them back together, carting them around in cases on planes, trains and automobiles, knocking and bumping them, getting them baking hot and freezing cold, soaking wet etc. - but now in the digital age they have all suddenly become so fragile and delicate that attaching them to a dumb old helical and then to a piece of machined metal (and perhaps installing an angled sync and cable release socket) is, apparently, beyond us. This can now only be done in hermetically sealed rooms by folks in white coats with PhDs and exotic accents (at least, that's the scenario I imagine). This is utter madness.
Have you used an Arca R system at length? Have you (personally) mounted and calibrated an Arca R lens for use with an IQ180 or Aptus II 12?
First let me say that I understand your indignation and your comments about dealers (I love Seinfeld) is understandable; I assume you've worked with some shoddy ones (of which there are many). I would ask you however not to generalize those experiences on all dealers, especially not if you've never met or worked with them. Search my name on this forum or the general internet, call me, stop by the office, or ask any of our customers here or offline and you will find your statements are not true of me. This is NOT an undercoat to a car, and I would not sell or push the equivalent of this.
The precision required to place infinity on an Arca R mount for f/8 is much higher and more knowledge-intense than your statement implies.
First, several of these lenses exhibit fairly significant focus shift, so the testing of the proper placement of focus cannot be done wide open, but because testing stopped down increases DOF the analysis of proper infinity is most assuredly non-trivial.
Second, the level of possible accuracy on an Arca R is extraordinarily high. If all you've used is the helical on the Fotoman or the Alpa HPF ring then you haven't experienced in practice how minute the possible level of adjustment is. The level of precision, when using multiple lenses, requires that the calibration of the mount itself is less than one tick's worth of focus. For reference on a 47XL the difference of one tick when focused at 150cm distance (5ft) is 1 cm of subject distance. How would you propose the end user calibrate their focus to this accuracy (remembering they must do this while stopped down)? The mechanical mount itself is machined about as precisely as can be hoped, but even from one specific lens to another specific lens the variation is such that every lens MUST be calibrated to the mount. This is done by Arca by means of shimming the rear element of the lens under the retaining ring to insure perfect placement of that lens both fore-aft and is then tested to insure perfect planarity.
I agree that for the majority of photographic history this level of mounting precision was not remotely necessary. Required precision of mounting varies as a function of focal length and with larger formats of film the focal lengths were longer. With a 300mm lens an accidental 1 degree of tilt and a fore-aft movement of 1mm is not of much significance. With a 23mm lens an accidental 1 degree of tilt is a huge change in the placement of the focus plane.
Required precision of mounting also varies as a function of resolution you wish to achieve. If you have a slightly misaligned lens with a P25 (9 micron, 22mp sensor) it will not be as evident as with an IQ180 (5.2 micron, 80mp sensor).
Required precision also varies based on how you will be establishing/evaluating focus. With an 8x10 you were focusing on a ground glass; regardless of where the lens is placed you were establishing and evaluating focus directly. With the Arca and other helical mounts one of the points of the system is to be able to set the focus indirectly (e.g. using a distometer or pre-established hyper focal distance) - the accuracy of that method of establishing focus is entirely dependent on the calibration of the system.
Required precision also varies based on aperture used. Since a higher res back will show diffraction at an earlier aperture there is a strong tendency of our IQ180+Arca users to use f/7-f/9 far more frequently than our customers with for instance an P25+Arca. At f/8 there is very little room for inprecision as compared to f/11.5.
Whilst I understand that this is a lucrative part of the business model of these companies … at the end of the day, from the perspective of the end-user, this is all about choice (or, more correctly, the lack of it). If you want to send your lens away to be mounted then great, go for it - but if not, wouldn't it be nice to have the choice to do this yourself?
I can assure you that a few hundred bucks for a few hours of service does not qualify as the lucrative part of Arca's business model. This is a very small company and their staff-time-at-the-workbench is their single sparsest resource (ask anyone who is on the waiting list for a D4 head). Selling a quick release plate at the prices they charge - THAT qualifies as a lucrative part of their business :-).
Anyway, based on my experience the purchases of Arca value very high precision over the flexibility of being able to change out lenses themselves. If you want a more DIY solution the Fotoman or Linhof (or a traditional view camera) is probably a better choice.
The precision Arca offers is very very high. To attain that requires some compromise. If you think the precision is more than is needed (for your applications and needs) then you are probably right, in which case those compromises might seem silly (or greedy). Please respect that there are others who in fact do need/want that precision for whom the cost and reduction in flexibility/DIYness is perfectly acceptable.
Plus I still don't know (haven't asked since this isn't my customer) whether (for sure) Arca would sell the parts by themselves at a reduced price. Rod might be able to comment?
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Cambo, Arca and Alpa export a significant part of their production, so it would be surprising if they didn't have those kinds of facilities enabling temporary import and re-export. But your experience shows that at least one of them doesn't - or didn't have at that time...
BTW, I was able to deal with Hasselblad directly only after a great deal of insistence, because Shriro (Hasselblad's owner and Japan distributor at that time) wanted me to go through the Japanese dealer, who wanted between 60,000 to 110,000 JPY for doing the customs paperwork.
Kumar
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As ever Doug, that's a very comprehensive, thoughtful and knowledgable reply you've provided.
In response I'd make the following points.
1. Whilst I don't own an Arca RM3D/i, I have used one. No two ways about it, it's a great piece of precision engineering, and in terms of repeatably being able to set a very precise distance there is nothing that can presently compete. However, in practice, I found this level of precision - for my requirements - simply overkill. Infinity is where I live 99% of the time, and even an old belt-and-braces bellows camera can get me there. The precision of the Arca is nice to have (and talk about!), but not a practical necessity for me. IMO 'precision' has become a very useful tool in this digital world for each person to brow-beat the other one with: e.g. Each 'tick' on the Arca ring represent a change in the plane of focus of only 1cm? … leads to … 'Holy cow, how do you get by with such a sloppy focussing ring, I need at least 0.1cm precison'. And so forth, ad nauseum. Following the argument to its logical conclusion, landfill sites the world over will be full of Arcas, Cambos, Alpas, Horsemans etc. as none of them are clearly up to snuff when it comes to repeatably setting the lens to a distance of 145.343265m with a 0.000001 micron sensor. In practice however, this isn't the case, and great work continues to be produced with all these systems, and that will continue to be the case even when each 'tick' on the RM2001d/i represents 0.000001mm. As a sales and marketing tool, 'precision' has been a gift; no one is generally going to argue that a system should be less precise are they? And, as precision increases, the cost to the end user rarely goes in the opposite direction...
2. Adding a shim to a lens in order that infinty focus on a lens matches the little number on the accompanying Arca card isn't something that I (or anyone else in fact) should lose sleep over. Even the best CNC machining will only get you so close, and shims are the principal way to minutely adjust the position of the whole lens (though there is always a tad of latitude on the helical (if the lens uses one), and you can alter the infinity position on that if needs be). As I've said before - sell me the CNC'd and anodized mount, a pack of shims, and send me on my merry way. Sell me the helical as well if you want, but I can pick those up from Schneider/Rodenstock direct. If this isn't everyone's cup of tea, then let them send their lenses off and bill them accordingly. I want to see users offered the choice to do one or the other. Indeed, even if Arca did the work for me, I should still check how this works with my digital back. As Arca users have detailed elsewhere, this involves having to apply an offset to Arca's numbers if there is a discrepancy … so, that being the case, what exactly have they paid for (other than the hardware) that they couldn't themselves have provided? i.e. if Arca's location of infinity for this lens, isn't in fact infinity for this lens with my digital back, then all the measuring, calibrating and shimming they've undertaken in their factory has pretty much been for nil. So, if their infinity isn't my infinity, do I get a part refund?
3. As detailed previously, I think a really good reason to do this work 'in [my] house' (besides the speed and simplicity of doing it yourself) is to avoid the hassle of import/export. It would be nice to think the dealer I dealt with in order to get my lenses retrofiited was some cowboy operating out the back of a truck - they weren't. I am still interested to know what temporary import facilities are available for Arca, Alpa and Cambo - since you deal with the former and the latter, perhaps you could tell us? Unless things have changed, I know from experience that at least one of the big three does not have the facility to temporarily import, and are happy to instruct their customers to, basically, break the law. Now, no one is saying that this is tantamount to robbing Fort Knox, but it's a situation that could so easily be avoided if the hardware was available separately; there's really no need for these companies to treat their clients as ham-fisted, drooling neanderthals who don't know the difference between one end of the viewfinder and the other.
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1. Whilst I don't own an Arca RM3D/i, I have used one. No two ways about it, it's a great piece of precision engineering, and in terms of repeatably being able to set a very precise distance there is nothing that can presently compete. However, in practice, I found this level of precision - for my requirements - simply overkill. Infinity is where I live 99% of the time,
If you could 100% reliably set your lens to a hyperfocal so that half (or more) of your focus wasn't wasted behind infinity, would you not choose that? Do you use infinity because that's where you truly want to be, or because systems you've used in the past are not easy to reliably set to a perfect hyperfocal such that infinity is still absolutely sharp? ;)
Even if you never once target anything besides hyperfocal the incredibly precise nature of the Arca system is a huge boon to making focusing easy and reliable.
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3. As detailed previously, I think a really good reason to do this work 'in [my] house' (besides the speed and simplicity of doing it yourself) is to avoid the hassle of import/export. It would be nice to think the dealer I dealt with in order to get my lenses retrofiited was some cowboy operating out the back of a truck - they weren't.
Sounds like you've never worked with a full service dealer :-).
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If you could 100% reliably set your lens to a hyperfocal so that half (or more) of your focus wasn't wasted behind infinity, would you not choose that? Do you use infinity because that's where you truly want to be, or because systems you've used in the past are not easy to reliably set to a perfect hyperfocal such that infinity is still absolutely sharp? ;)
Even if you never once target anything besides hyperfocal the incredibly precise nature of the Arca system is a huge boon to making focusing easy and reliable.
I'm at infinity + lens tilt - so I get all the dof I need - don't bother with hfd.
Can't deny focussing is easy and reliable on the A/S - as long as you have the little card to hand!
Sounds like you've never worked with a full service dealer :-).
A full service dealer - are you kidding me - these guys proclaim to be the best in the US - and they may well be - but that area of temporary export/import is still one that they clearly have difficulty addressing (as I would imagine do most). While you're here Doug, why don't you tell us about Cambo and Arca's facilities for temporary import? If you're sending a $7k lens to Cambo for retrofitting, do you insure and declare it for $7k - if so, I'm guessing Rene Rook will be sending you a rather large bill for import duties ... plus the duties you would have to pay for entry back into the US (assuming the retrofitted lens - now worth $9k - is insured and declared as such). It's a can of worms - time to stop pedalling the myth that this all has to be done by ex-NASA scientists in hermetically sealed rooms - get the parts in and let the user buy them from you - just like the wooden handles that Cambo produced.