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Title: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 30, 2012, 04:13:22 am
Hi,

I just had my first crash with the new version. When I try to restart C1, it forces me to either select a session/catalog or create a new one. I don't use catalogs/sessions. I just browse to the folder of images I work on. How can I go back to doing that?

Any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Doug Peterson on October 30, 2012, 09:27:42 am
You WERE running in a session. You simply never changed from the default session. Start a new session or find your old (default) session.

If you take one of our online Capture One classes (https://digitaltransitions.com/event/training-events) I'm betting you'd switch to a proper session workflow. They aren't as complicated or specific as they sound. Or you might switch to the catalog system. But just browsing folders means you're fighting the way the program is set up to function. For instance when you delete a file it goes to the session trash - if you don't even know you're running a session that will make it hard for you to find the deleted file.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 30, 2012, 09:52:49 am
Unless the program automatically does that for you, I never started a session. In v6 (and back to v1 when I started using the program), I was just opening C1 and go to the folder.

I'm not fighting the program, I just use it the easiest way possible (and with the least fuss). And the deleted file was put in the trash folder since I remember.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Jack Flesher on October 30, 2012, 09:58:39 am
You need to start a session in 7 to be able to view the full library browser. Once you do that, you have started the default session and then just like in 6, that's where all of your processed images and settings get saved. 
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 30, 2012, 10:04:11 am
You need to start a session in 7 to be able to view the full library browser. Once you do that, you have started the default session and then just like in 6, that's where all of your processed images and settings get saved. 

I guess it did it automatically since I never got any popups or messages about creating/selecting a session.

It started to crash so much now that I'm going back to v6 (every time I switch workspaces it crashes).
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on October 30, 2012, 11:31:14 am
I guess it did it automatically since I never got any popups or messages about creating/selecting a session.

It started to crash so much now that I'm going back to v6 (every time I switch workspaces it crashes).

Hi Jean,

Try disabling the Hardware acceleration (using OpenCL) in the Capture One Pro 7 preferences, possibly only for the display. I also had frequent crashes, now things seem better.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 30, 2012, 12:36:23 pm
Hi Jean,

Try disabling the Hardware acceleration (using OpenCL) in the Capture One Pro 7 preferences, possibly only for the display. I also had frequent crashes, now things seem better.

Cheers,
Bart


Thanks Bart,

I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on October 30, 2012, 03:12:04 pm
This is what I am sooo confused and surprised Capture One at version 7 has not made it user proof.
I have taken C1 classes, and with over 10 years of MAC and PC usage and all kinds of imaging software experience..C1 just makes this such a stumper! Why?
Why not a error proof start to editing?
 
Simply bring up the window that needs to be selected to continue working!

If you don't use C1 on a daily basis, who's gonna remember what we learned in a class we tested and passed on? Certs may have a cool factor value for a user, but means little in real world. Take me for example. (If I was a imaging digital tech, I can see the importance).

Why not prompt the proper flow of working to get the job done!  Now I am forced to work in Sessions, as I didn't want the default C1/Proxy/Settings in every folder I search for images in...So I wanted to "Import a catalog", and it errored as an Invalid Collection..... What ever that means these days depending on the app your using.

C1 isn't the only developer pro shooters use, and that should prompt C1 to make things more friendly on the GUI. At least to start using it.

"Sessions"
"Collection"
"Album"
"Catalog"
(then a forced pop up for Backup)

Any other terms we can use to confuse???
Take those and others using multiple software apps and their terms, and see if any make too much sense across them!


We want to use C1...make it easier to start.

Whene I have a important shoot I use C1, but often when working with natural lighting and busiy comps and frames, I use LR.

Take LR catalog, then C1 Catalog, MediaPro, IDImager, ACdsee, Bridge, ......what a managing nightmare for those who have a substantial amount of images on servers! So while this "Passive" cataloging approach is very welcome in raw developers, I wish using it was a bit self explanatory, and not need constant contact to make sense of it.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 30, 2012, 05:32:35 pm
...

We want to use C1...make it easier to start.

...


It was like that until version 4. You want easy workflow? Take a look at LR Phase One. The way it works now it might make sense to the developer and to somebody that took a class on it but a software shouldn't need classes to make it work. Even Photoshop which is so advanced can be used without a manual or taking classes.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 30, 2012, 08:38:33 pm
Hi Jean,

Try disabling the Hardware acceleration (using OpenCL) in the Capture One Pro 7 preferences, possibly only for the display. I also had frequent crashes, now things seem better.

Cheers,
Bart


Well, that didn't help.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on October 30, 2012, 10:09:55 pm
The title should have said problems.

I had 8 images selected. These images were rated 2 stars and had a filter for 2 star images. Select all -> Command + D to process JPEGS. It did process the JPEGs but at the same time removed the star ratings (didn't know at first why all of the images disappeared from the screen).

I understand to have problems when it comes to performance for first iteration of a new version, but a lot of things got broken in the process.

Questions for the power users: where are the workspaces stored? I would like to do a complete uninstall and put back v6 until things get fixed.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Paul2660 on October 31, 2012, 08:52:07 am
Version 6 also had sessions, just did not have the catalog option.  At least on the windows side.  Sessions drove me crazy at first, since I did not take the time
to learn about them.  They can be confusing, but I watched the video's Doug mentioned and it helped a lot.  From what I can tell the session implementation in Capture 7 is the
same as Capture 6 (again on windows). 

Paul
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on October 31, 2012, 08:57:00 am
To learn about Sessions (and as Doug says, if you embrace them, its much easier!)

http://www.phaseone.com/en/Imaging-Software/Capture-One-7/Tutorials.aspx

Scroll down to 'Organize and Select'.

You'll find one on Catalogs too.

David
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on October 31, 2012, 12:23:30 pm
Yes, sessions are like they were in v6. But the addition of Collections I thought was great....As I was just making a mess of all my client folders.
If I accessed a folder as I would in the Browser like in Windows Explorer, it would leave the CaptureOne and Proxy and settings folder and the mess. WHY when I am simply looking for the right files for C1, not commiting to work on the file or folder.

So I thought Catalogs was great. Except I can't get it to be "Valid". When I start up and try to work in catalog, it errors out.
_ Sentence EDITED:I had stated Sessions by mistake. (just shows how confusing this is. Keep in mind C1 is not the only program that photogs work with)

I went along the video step by step, and at the one point in the "Naming tool, video says you can rename, but C1v7 says "Naming is disabled when storing files in Current Location" . (?)
... Well, this is also the video's example.  So I would say my first point of the problem is there.

Just for informations sake on my folders setup:

I have external server with a number of folders by client names. for example: CocaCola/Raw/Processed/Finals/Jpeg_email, etc (although I have other folders such as "Print" within the "Finals" folder. Since each software has a different way of making folders, the best way is to take command and structure the folders in a system that woirks for you. This method is free from all complications of changing computers, swapping drives, and really a logical method when working with clients. (Inspired from reading The DAM book).

I mention the above, as the error leads me to think it is having issues reading a external server drive on that command, as all the images populate in the Import Images window, but it can't make the file structure to continue.  The images are ones I just tehter/captured into the server.

Well here we are, top of the morning, same stuck problem. No C1v7 catalog.  Back to crummy, yet faithful Sessions!

Anyone?, Doug? :-)

Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on October 31, 2012, 04:30:52 pm

So I thought collections was great. Except I can't get it to be "Valid". When I start up and try to work in Sessions, it errors out.
I went along the video step by step, and at the one point in the "Naming tool, video says you can rename, but C1v7 says "Naming is disabled when storing files in Current Location" . (?)
... Well, this is also the video's example.  So I would say my first point of the problem is there.


When you say Collections, I assume you mean Catalogs?  But then you mention Sessions in the same sentence, so can you clarify what you are exactly trying to do?

A collection is a 'collection' of images like an Album, Smart Album, Recent imports etc...

So assuming you are talking about Catalogs, ill continue.

The way a Capture One Pro 7 catalog works is like this.  In the import window (where your trouble is starting) look under 'Store Files'.  If 'Inside Catalog' is chosen, the CO7 will copy the images you have pointed too, inside the catalog file itself.  Therefore, all images, settings, organisation, previews etc is all stored in one file.  Makes it very easy to move, share between multiple users and backup.

It sounds like you have chosen to reference the files at their current location.  i.e. In 'Store Files' you have 'Current Location' selected - right?  Therefore it is completely logical that renaming is disabled.   I assume you don't actually want to rename the image files?

David
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: robgo2 on October 31, 2012, 09:20:43 pm
I agree with those who say that the sessions concept is confusing at first, but once you get used to working with sessions, they seem very straight forward and logical.  So much so, that I have no desire to abandon them in favor of catalogs, for which I use Media Pro.  I would like to know if it is possible to use both sessions and catalogs entirely within Capture One 7?

Rob

Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 01, 2012, 06:48:40 am
I agree with those who say that the sessions concept is confusing at first, but once you get used to working with sessions, they seem very straight forward and logical.  So much so, that I have no desire to abandon them in favor of catalogs, for which I use Media Pro.  I would like to know if it is possible to use both sessions and catalogs entirely within Capture One 7?

Rob



Hi Rob,

You can have multiple Catalogs and Sessions open at the same time.

Note you could import your Media Pro catalog into CO7 as well.

D

Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on November 01, 2012, 01:25:54 pm
Exactly David....you are right, (I fixed my remark earlier)

And yes, I don't want to move or rename them as what you say makes logical sense...
My question was on.... How do I finish adding the files to a catalog without moving them, and not get an Invalid collections error, so I can start working on them?
I think you are describing what this would be as "reference" as I dont see such option.

Looking closer, I do see a Caution in front of the Collection drop down.....AND THAT DID IT.  I had to change it to the RECENT for it to bring them in. Perhaps that Caution/Warning should be a bit more noticeable.
Easy to get numb to.

Thanks David, as your post lead me to look closer at that area.
I still think C1 can approach to make this more simple, from user stand-point.

side note: I can't remember the difference between Collection and Catalog. I a$$ume User Collection/Smart Album/Project/Group is along the lines of LR's Smart Collection.
Since C1 didn't have this feature before, and we did have this in LR, it is a new adaptation concept in C1.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on November 01, 2012, 01:54:42 pm
I agree with those who say that the sessions concept is confusing at first, but once you get used to working with sessions, they seem very straight forward and logical.  So much so, that I have no desire to abandon them in favor of catalogs, for which I use Media Pro.  I would like to know if it is possible to use both sessions and catalogs entirely within Capture One 7?

Rob



I think I might go back to Sessions also..,..
My GoTo file browsing, managing software is ACDSee. As much as I was ready to do MediaPro, it still messes up PSD, TIF, and some format issues, that I just will let it bake for maturity, like good wine. :-)

AND since LR FORCES you to work with Catalog files, thank goodness it allows to leave things where they are, it isn't intrucive. And C1 allows to leave them, But why do it when Sessions works very good.

Now if C1 could keep it from making all the default folder files of CaptureOne/Proxy/Settings, in every folder it browses THAT would be GREAT!  Maybe a pop-up asking, "Do you want to work in this folder"... before it dumps its files.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 02, 2012, 04:46:07 am
Exactly David....you are right, (I fixed my remark earlier)

And yes, I don't want to move or rename them as what you say makes logical sense...
My question was on.... How do I finish adding the files to a catalog without moving them, and not get an Invalid collections error, so I can start working on them?
I think you are describing what this would be as "reference" as I dont see such option.

Looking closer, I do see a Caution in front of the Collection drop down.....AND THAT DID IT.  I had to change it to the RECENT for it to bring them in. Perhaps that Caution/Warning should be a bit more noticeable.
Easy to get numb to.

Thanks David, as your post lead me to look closer at that area.
I still think C1 can approach to make this more simple, from user stand-point.

side note: I can't remember the difference between Collection and Catalog. I a$$ume User Collection/Smart Album/Project/Group is along the lines of LR's Smart Collection.
Since C1 didn't have this feature before, and we did have this in LR, it is a new adaptation concept in C1.


Phil,

Its a little bit hard to understand what you are trying to actually do.  Are you shooting tethered? I am asking as from one of your other posts I suspect that might be the case?  Therefore it would help us all a great deal if you would say if you are importing from memory card, from your hard drive or shooting directly.

If you are working tethered then watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Dz6-VOuXM&feature=share&list=SPDMRz3ssFQH6HhCcWLh7xL0SapRxUNzs9

Which describes how to shoot into a Catalog or a Session.

To reference files in their existing place if you are importing into a Catalog, choose Current Location in the Store Files menu.  It states that very clearly from about 3 minutes in, in the Catalogs video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1uj5ytvklo&feature=share&list=SPDMRz3ssFQH6HhCcWLh7xL0SapRxUNzs9

A 'Collection' is simply a collection of images LIKE an Album, Smart Album or a fixed collection like Recent Imports or Recent Captures.

Thats it!

Maybe you had Capture Collection nominated in the Collection field?  If so you would need to nominate one of your albums as the Capture Collection or simply shoot into Recent Captures, as I think you may have chanegd too?  As I said at the start, I am working on minimal information from you.

Again, Capture Collections are explained in the Guide to Tethered shooting video.

David
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on November 02, 2012, 02:57:57 pm
David, this issue was just to start and make a catalog.
I wasn't shooting or using a card. My files are on a server. I was looking to add files from it to the catalog so I can edit them. I had shot them previous to installing v7.
I took me a closer look,  (after your initial reply that I so appreciate) for me to realize that the Import window where Import To/ Collections(below store files) has drop-down option, the default was set to "Capture Collection". "Set To" didn't do it either. I selected "Recent Imports only", and that got me to importing files.  Why I couldn't simply highlight the files I wanted to import is odd to me.

I find all this to be a bunch of fluff on top of a Raw developer.

Sessions works for me, except I wish it would ask me to "commit" to working/developing in a folder before it poops the c1/proxy/settings and other folders in every folder I browse. Maybe it adds them when you select or change a file, but that should be prompted to happen....or OK to take action/set as default option. etc.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: colinm on November 02, 2012, 10:25:27 pm
It was like that until version 4. You want easy workflow? Take a look at LR Phase One. The way it works now it might make sense to the developer and to somebody that took a class on it but a software shouldn't need classes to make it work. Even Photoshop which is so advanced can be used without a manual or taking classes.

Lightroom is a catalog-based application. If you want Lightroom-style functionality, use a Catalog. And that is, in fact, what C1 7 automatically recommends on first launch for new users.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 03, 2012, 03:35:45 pm
This is so frustrating. v7 screwed up big time with the metadata writing. It takes seconds to write to it and it screws any rating you have (stars, color labels) not matter what you do within the program.

I had all the green labeled images selected and hit Command + D to process them. It did process them but it removed all the labels (and the stars). Does anybody tests the software or am I being the only one it happens to (although there are a couple others on their forum talking about it so at least there are other two people experiencing it)?
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 03, 2012, 05:04:56 pm
Lightroom is a catalog-based application. If you want Lightroom-style functionality, use a Catalog. And that is, in fact, what C1 7 automatically recommends on first launch for new users.

True, but once again, C1 makes you go through hoops/unnecessary steps to accomplish a simple thing. I use a catalog for weddings, a catalog for portraits and a catalog for personal stuff.

LR - create/select the catalog; click import; done (it follows your folder structure)
C1 - create/select the catalog; create an album (you want to separate your work, right?); import

An unnecessary extra step. Also, the name "Recent imports" implies that it will show what you imported last (like in LR). Nope. It shows anything that you used the "Recent Imports" collection as your destination for your import.

Another problem? If you have created an album, and it's highlighted, guess what: you can't create another album under User Collections (everything it's greyed out).

So many common sense mistakes you really wonder if anybody tests these releases before they go out.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 03, 2012, 05:17:05 pm
Who comes up with these ideas?  ???

Under the "Folders" section it shows you the physical structure of the folders on your HD. If you create a folder and move images there, guess what happens? Nothing. The created folder is a virtual one (even though they show you the physical structure). Why would anybody create a virtual folder? That's why you have projects/groups/albums ... for the virtual structure.

Oh, and once again, any images moved to a newly created folder will loose it's ratings. Way to go Phase One.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 01:18:47 am
I have another problem: local adjustments don't work.

I created a new layer adjustment (and it's selected). I brushed in the area where I want the adjustment. When I slide the exposure, it affects the entire image instead of the selected area. Also, in v6, when I was selecting the layer adjustment, certain tools were greyed out (HDR). Now, everything is enabled but works globally. It's like it's not recognizing the adjustment layer.

Anybody else having this issue?

ETA: This is working with catalogs as suggested.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 01:28:40 am
The attached image is from a job that I adjusted in v6. The adjustments are visible on the image, but as you can see, when selecting the adjustment layer, it should read the values applied.

If you do a new adjustment layer, it works globally (like the background layer).
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 05, 2012, 03:28:49 am
Who comes up with these ideas?  ???

Under the "Folders" section it shows you the physical structure of the folders on your HD. If you create a folder and move images there, guess what happens? Nothing. The created folder is a virtual one (even though they show you the physical structure). Why would anybody create a virtual folder? That's why you have projects/groups/albums ... for the virtual structure.

Oh, and once again, any images moved to a newly created folder will loose it's ratings. Way to go Phase One.

Jean,

Creating a folder in the folders tool is NOT virtual.  It physically creates the folder on your storage.  I have just tried the same here with my home catalog and it does just that.

Secondly the rating was not also lost.  Are you sure you were in the folders tool?

So could you please try again?

David
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 05, 2012, 03:32:35 am
I have another problem: local adjustments don't work.

I created a new layer adjustment (and it's selected). I brushed in the area where I want the adjustment. When I slide the exposure, it affects the entire image instead of the selected area. Also, in v6, when I was selecting the layer adjustment, certain tools were greyed out (HDR). Now, everything is enabled but works globally. It's like it's not recognizing the adjustment layer.

Anybody else having this issue?

ETA: This is working with catalogs as suggested.


Local Adjustments do work.

Goto the Local Adjustments tool tab.  It is pre loaded with the tools that work with LA's for simplicity.

Note that in the toolbar of each tool there is a small brush icon.  This means it will only affect the currently selected layer.

This means you can flick between different tool tabs without having to switch layers.

Perhaps watch the video tutorial on the subject?

David
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 09:33:20 am
Local Adjustments do work.

...
David

Using the catalog? I didn't try it with sessions, but when using a catalog it definitely doesn't work. Did you look at the screen shot I posted?
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 09:38:26 am
...

So could you please try again?

David

I wish I had taken a screenshot when it happened. Yesterday I did a clean install because of so many problems I'm having. I tried it again and this time it created the actual folder.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 05, 2012, 09:41:09 am
Using the catalog? I didn't try it with sessions, but when using a catalog it definitely doesn't work. Did you look at the screen shot I posted?

Yes, equally as in the Catalog as in the Session.

On your screenshot, the tools are not set to adjust the currently selected layer as I explained and as shown in the Local Adjustments tool tab.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 10:00:00 am
Yes, equally as in the Catalog as in the Session.

On your screenshot, the tools are not set to adjust the currently selected layer as I explained and as shown in the Local Adjustments tool tab.

Now you lost me. In the screen shot posted, you can see the selected layer in the layer adjustment tools. I'm not sure what you mean by "the tools are not set".

Also, did exactly what I did in v6 so why works in v6 but not v7?
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 10:07:22 am
Yes, equally as in the Catalog as in the Session.

On your screenshot, the tools are not set to adjust the currently selected layer as I explained and as shown in the Local Adjustments tool tab.


I got a response in the Phase forum.

Your answer should have been: in v7 LA work different than v6. Your previous wording didn't mean much since I was doing the same things as I was doing in v6.

BTW, the default behavior should have been the same as v6 and let the people change it if they like to instead of going nuts and waste time trying to figure what is happening.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 05, 2012, 10:45:17 am

I got a response in the Phase forum.

Your answer should have been: in v7 LA work different than v6. Your previous wording didn't mean much since I was doing the same things as I was doing in v6.

BTW, the default behavior should have been the same as v6 and let the people change it if they like to instead of going nuts and waste time trying to figure what is happening.

Yes, I saw the answer on the Phase Forum.

However, I did suggest watching the 4 minute tutorial on the subject which would have introduced you to the new workflow and tipped you off on other nice additions like auto masking and fill masking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsmpP5KZOyw&feature=share&list=SPDMRz3ssFQH6HhCcWLh7xL0SapRxUNzs9

If we kept the same default behaviour on everything then software would not advance.  One of the criticism of V6 was how layer adjustments were handled, hence the change.

David

Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 10:53:12 am
Yes, I saw the answer on the Phase Forum.

However, I did suggest watching the 4 minute tutorial on the subject which would have introduced you to the new workflow and tipped you off on other nice additions like auto masking and fill masking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsmpP5KZOyw&feature=share&list=SPDMRz3ssFQH6HhCcWLh7xL0SapRxUNzs9

If we kept the same default behaviour on everything then software would not advance.  One of the criticism of V6 was how layer adjustments were handled, hence the change.

David




I did watch the video but I'm not any wiser  :) (also, the video says that you now can have 10 layers and the new features but it DOESN'T say that it behaves differently than v6 so it doesn't help with a problem like mine). That's why keeping the behavior the same helps.

On my workflow, I had layers adjustments tool on my quick tab (I have there all my most used tools). It seems that with v7 you have to use the LA tab since when you add exposure for example to the quick tab, it loads the global one.

And you can add features and keep the BEHAVIOR as previous (unless it's not supported anymore). I don't see how keeping the v6 behavior (which is possible via the option selected) equates with no advances in the software.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 05, 2012, 10:56:58 am

I did watch the video but I'm not any wiser  :) (also, the video says that you now can have 10 layers and the new features but it DOESN'T say that it behaves differently than v6 so it doesn't help with a problem like mine). That's why keeping the behavior the same helps.

On my workflow, I had layers adjustments tool on my quick tab (I have there all my most used tools). It seems that with v7 you have to use the LA tab since when you add exposure for example to the quick tab, it loads the global one.

And you can add features and keep the BEHAVIOR as previous (unless it's not supported anymore). I don't see how keeping the v6 behavior (which is possible via the option selected) equates with no advances in the software.

It does say the behaviour is different by pointing out the new icon in the applicable LA tools. 

No, you don't have to use the LA tab exclusively.

Anyway, I just answered you on the Phase Forum! 

But, simply in the sub menu in the tool, (small arrow) choose 'Adjust Selected Layer'.

D
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 11:09:25 am
...

But, simply in the sub menu in the tool, (small arrow) choose 'Adjust Selected Layer'.

D


Thank you.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: orc73 on November 05, 2012, 03:40:01 pm
Hi

first let me tell I love the way C1 renders pictures. I had a test version run of v6.5 1 month ago.
So I was happy to see v7 coming and hoping the library would work a bit more user friendly.

Today I tested it and what I can say:
-crashes at many occasions
-pushing the button to develop pics and nothing happens
-masking ist almost impossible to paint properly even with the graphic tablet
-impression: completely buggy

I don't even know what problem to report to support as there are to many.

I really hope they get it fixed and I hope it gets as good as a library as aperture and LR.
Disappointing to get it out with so many bugs


Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Gulag on November 05, 2012, 03:58:44 pm
Hi

first let me tell I love the way C1 renders pictures. I had a test version run of v6.5 1 month ago.
So I was happy to see v7 coming and hoping the library would work a bit more user friendly.

Today I tested it and what I can say:
-crashes at many occasions
-pushing the button to develop pics and nothing happens
-masking ist almost impossible to paint properly even with the graphic tablet
-impression: completely buggy

I don't even know what problem to report to support as there are to many.

I really hope they get it fixed and I hope it gets as good as a library as aperture and LR.
Disappointing to get it out with so many bugs




Are you using Windows or Apple? I have been using C1Pro7 on Windows7 since the first day they released it, and have processed about 1TB worth of images so far. haven't even encountered any crashes or other issues you listed above.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 05, 2012, 04:02:53 pm
I'm on Mac and it crashed many times. Almost every time I change the workspace. Other times when I tried to modify some tools. I didn't run a complete job through it but my experience so far:

- crashed many times
- slower than previous version (any adjustment you make)
- problem with rating (if you rate an image and don't wait a few seconds and move to another image, you loose any rating you previously had or the new one).

These came up right away as I imported some images into the catalog.

I did a clean install yesterday and didn't have a chance to try it again.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: orc73 on November 05, 2012, 05:02:08 pm
mac as well, newest Mac OS with all updates
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: orc73 on November 05, 2012, 05:04:13 pm
another issue is image selection in a folder: some images are selected and the "deselect all" command does not work, neither does browsing with arrow keys through the pics work. reboot did not help. now all the work on the files is useless. that's really a shame to come out with software in such a state.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 06, 2012, 06:18:48 pm
I played a little bit more today with a job I worked on.

It still crashes and stop responding. Crashes happened when switching workplaces. It looks like it happens the second/third time you do it. Also, I selected a bunch of images and it stopped responding (got the beach ball). After 5 min I had to use Force Quit.

All of these are using catalogs on Mac Lion. It looks like on the Mac, it's really not ready for prime time.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on November 06, 2012, 06:32:14 pm
I had a few catalog issues myself, but they were more on the methodology. The program on Win7 is rock solid, and functions look like they work smoothly.

I wish they would have a Pro-Lite version without cataloging :-)
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 06, 2012, 06:39:18 pm
Also, I just processed some images. In v6, any image that was processed (develop...), would have a gear icon on it (it was orange during the actual process). Now, there is no more icon (either when developing or after).

I also mentioned earlier, if any of the user collections are selected, you can't add another album/group/project... You have to move the selection in another area (fixed area) for it to work.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Gulag on November 06, 2012, 07:14:54 pm
Also, I just processed some images. In v6, any image that was processed (develop...), would have a gear icon on it (it was orange during the actual process). Now, there is no more icon (either when developing or after).

I also mentioned earlier, if any of the user collections are selected, you can't add another album/group/project... You have to move the selection in another area (fixed area) for it to work.

Again, I am on Windows and haven't encountered any issues that you just mentioned above.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 06, 2012, 07:16:04 pm
Again, I am on Windows and haven't encountered any issues that you just mentioned above.

It might be a Mac only problem? I don't know (it seems that way since you say it's working for you).
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Gulag on November 06, 2012, 09:30:44 pm
It might be a Mac only problem? I don't know (it seems that way since you say it's working for you).

Perhaps you need seek feedback from more Mac users. But on Windows I haven't had any troubles at all.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: orc73 on November 07, 2012, 04:08:37 am
I will watch that vdo :)
What I have to add:
If there is a CaptureONE folder in the same image folder it caused crashes and problem, solved by deleting the old folder(...and loosing the adjustments in C1v6).
The batch process was not very intuitive as I had to add another tab and now can start it - not very userfriendly but working now :)
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Pics2 on November 07, 2012, 07:41:59 am
Since David from Phase One is here, I hope he will pass the info to software developers. Otherwise, it's pointless wasting my time writing about bugs.
- Tethering D800E. Many times P1 doesn't recognize the camera. If left without shooting for some time, it just forgets the camera. I have to turn off the camera, restart P1 and turn on the camera again.
- Sometimes it's just not possible to restart P1. I have to go to Task manager and turn off application manually.
- Sometimes after restarting, all the pages are blank, can't navigate to any folder. I have to restart again.
- Import from CF card doesn't work, can't select destination folder.
-In Output naming, after every restart Job name count starts from zero, even though I want to continue counting from before the restart.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 07, 2012, 08:35:13 am
Since David from Phase One is here, I hope he will pass the info to software developers. Otherwise, it's pointless wasting my time writing about bugs.
- Tethering D800E. Many times P1 doesn't recognize the camera. If left without shooting for some time, it just forgets the camera. I have to turn off the camera, restart P1 and turn on the camera again.
- Sometimes it's just not possible to restart P1. I have to go to Task manager and turn off application manually.
- Sometimes after restarting, all the pages are blank, can't navigate to any folder. I have to restart again.
- Import from CF card doesn't work, can't select destination folder.
-In Output naming, after every restart Job name count starts from zero, even though I want to continue counting from before the restart.

Actually is pretty hard to report bugs from a forum.

I only have 50% information most of the time.  As in I don't know your OS, hardware, other version numbers etc.

The easiest and most importantly fastest way is to raise a support case on support.phaseone.com or go via your Partner.

However, issued raised here I always try to look into but can't necessarily give a response.

D
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Pics2 on November 07, 2012, 09:43:53 am
I'm aware of that, you are right. Thanks, David! Let's hope v7.1 will be out soon!
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Dennishh on November 07, 2012, 03:11:04 pm
I just started using capture one 7 and really was happy with it processing my D800e files. It doesn't amazing job when it works. I started having trouble mostly when I decided to try sessions instead of catalogs, when I try to switch back to a catalog C1 freezes every time. I am now just using catalogs with mostly success. I'm running on any PC Windows 7 Nvidia GTX 470. I've compared outputs from light room and C17 with C1 taking the honors almost all the time. I love the color and I'm starting to get used to the interface. I like you can't wait for version 7.1. I've contacted tech support several times and every time they want the same information that I sent them last time. I've given up on support.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Doug Peterson on November 07, 2012, 04:20:41 pm
I just started using capture one 7 and really was happy with it processing my D800e files. It doesn't amazing job when it works. I started having trouble mostly when I decided to try sessions instead of catalogs, when I try to switch back to a catalog C1 freezes every time. I am now just using catalogs with mostly success. I'm running on any PC Windows 7 Nvidia GTX 470. I've compared outputs from light room and C17 with C1 taking the honors almost all the time. I love the color and I'm starting to get used to the interface. I like you can't wait for version 7.1. I've contacted tech support several times and every time they want the same information that I sent them last time. I've given up on support.

Are you starting new support cases every time or replying to them in the support case you already started?

The idea is to start a support case, provide information in it, receive a reply in it, and then reply with any followup in the same support case (making it easy for everyone to trace and avoid repetition).
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Dennishh on November 07, 2012, 05:52:20 pm
The same support Case. Just seems like I provide the info they want and they ask me to do the same thing again. Gets a little old providing the same files. From all the problems I am seeing about the same crashes it seems the update is my only hope.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 09, 2012, 09:41:20 pm
Ran into another problem.

In v6, if you selected several images and wanted to copy a setting from one to all the others, you could hold down shift key and click on the double arrow (inside the tool, next to the one to reset the tool) to apply the setting immediately.

In v7, as soon as I hit the Shift key, all these options grey out: Auto Adjustments (A), Copy Settings (double arrow) and Reset (curved arrow).

This is using catalogs on a Mac. Anybody else having this problem or I have some setting that I'm not aware of set?
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: philipchan on November 10, 2012, 01:41:12 pm
Hi
I am also on Windows (win 7 64bit), and encountered a strange problem with C1 pro 7 DB version. Files from Leaf pre-Credo back (A10II) could be imported and previewed but impossible to edit and develop (all buttons turned grey). Files from Credo 80 worked fine, although a bit slow compared to C1 V6. Wonder if you or any other Windows users experienced the same.

Philip
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Paul Steunebrink on November 15, 2012, 09:08:45 am
...
I am also on Windows (win 7 64bit), and encountered a strange problem with C1 pro 7 DB version. Files from Leaf pre-Credo back (A10II) could be imported and previewed but impossible to edit and develop (all buttons turned grey).

This is a bug and a known issue in CO 7.0.0, that Aptus II raw files are not editable in DB mode. Deactivate from DB, and run the program as Pro during the 60-day trial period. Within that time frame an update that fixes this issue should have become available.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on November 15, 2012, 04:34:53 pm
Some thoughts after a week or so with workflow alterations/(perhaps interruptions?)....

After settling the issues with C1 Catalog and sessions and spending more time with Capture Onev7 I came to realize.......

I will not use only ONE single developer for editing RAW, I will be using TWO, maybe more as I am open to new concepts and not much a conformist to "It's my way or the highway" thinking.

So I want to use LightRoom, and I want to use C1(with the new raw developing engine)

I CERTAINLY DON'T want more than ONE Cataloging software to make and use up all my harddrive space and simply make a mess of folders on my hard drives).
Since LighRoom makes it rather easy and I can see the folders without going dizzy, I decided to use C1v7 in Sessions mode, and continue and KEPP my LR Cataloging.  I can see the LR windows as I do in a Explorer Browser, and this familiarity is nice and painless.

So even in Sessions for C1, we still have a messy interface.
I have TWO "Session Folders". One is the actual folder view that I want to use, BUT, above it, I can't find a way to "hide" or not show the other "Session Folders" bar that contains the Capture,Output, Trash, and Selects folder
(Could I rename these? I thought I had changed my Capture folder to RAW? I wonder what happen?).

I like rating my images to help know which is processed, but I would rather hide Session Albums and even Favorites if I'm not using them. Since I have Filters below in this folder panel, It looks confusing with the actual "Session Folder" (Browser)?
I can see how they are different to a point. But in a folder view, they are merely a Sort and View method, and you can Filter these, maybe even grouping them with specific parameters would also help.

So to simplify, place the "Session Folder" that contains "Capture, Selects, Output, and Trash FOLDERS" in a subfolder of the ONE browsable/folder "Session Folder" I think would help. And all these in Filters. Ending up with Session Folder, and I guess Filters(You can give it a more general term, like Manage?) 

I fully can understand if there are reasons not do this, but it is simply a suggestion.  I for one will not dictate my shooting workflow based on software's dictation. I will pay attention to my subject with camera and tethered or not, Fire away and then organize my files.
Other than setting up the Capture folder, which should be as simple as black coffee, all else slows down the artistic process.

Well, I will learn to ignore all these things that are added on, as I think the Raw developer is very good or the best. 

I simply wish Phase One would make a Capture One Pro-Lite.  My wish would be to have very similar simplicity to C1v3.7x
With the new Raw engine, and the Exposer/Developing sliders. I could care less for Session, Catalog, even many other features. I think being able to add Metadata, Keywords and ratings is a plus, but I think that can start in the ingestion of the files when transfering from the card, or when using a dedicated DAM, or a fast image browser. It isn't something you do to hundreds of files in a Developer.

For me CaptureOne's job is to enable me to...
Capture as fast as possible(preview focus image on screen when shooting), and make the BEST base 16+bit file I can work from in other apps like LR, or Photoshop, That is enough to be a happy camper.
That is all I ask, and that is why I would pay the same money I have been paying for years, but to keep it nimble, simple, easy to use, and top quality.
I know many use the BW, and the layer brush, and maybe some filters. But aside from the ALL the Color and ALL the Exposure tools and Focus tool, I don't need much else. I think the Layer brush is a nice try, but in all honesty, I will make the best develop in C1 and do all else in Photoshop or LR.(Or I may have to look closer and see IF C1 brush layers is offering anything different and advantageous(?).

*Side note__ While writing this and confusing myself with some C1 terms, excuse me if I used "browser" in place of "folder". I checked back to correct it, but in case I missed one!
Sometimes the way C1 names its functions and views!..The names alone can confuse enough! Why would the term "browser" that is already coined as "folder browsing" to an OS and is synonimos to Explorer be reused for something that should be named "thumbnail view" or the like? Why do we have to relearn functions to terms that have been in place for decades?  Giving things a visual identity would even help distinguish functions. Besides, its the fastest way the mind processes info.(well, those that are visually strong, like photographers.  Who is this made for ? ;-)

Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: jeanvalentin on November 15, 2012, 04:54:16 pm
After spending (better said wasting) time with catalogs, this is how it looks to me: useless and unreliable feature. I'm not even sure why it was included in this release especially since, Phil mentioned, it looks like Phase approach is "my way or the highway". In this case I'll choose the highway.

LR will still be my main RAW developer since the workflow is just easy and elegant (and the output is great; yes, with certain files, the output is better from C1 and that's why I will still use it from time to time).

One thing is for sure: I have no compelling reason to fork out money for the next release. And hopefully, that would change Phase mind in terms of listening to their customers (yeah, I know they do .... several iterations later when they finally get that there is a better way of doing things).
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 16, 2012, 10:26:19 am

 I can see the LR windows as I do in a Explorer Browser, and this familiarity is nice and painless.


I don't understand this argument as you can do exactly the same in Capture One?
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on November 16, 2012, 05:30:08 pm
Well, not really. The initial startup of LR, has these familiar windows. C1 has the C1 window and then more before you go into "Choose"

Here is the LOOong  version of the observations below(they are not tic for tat or any calculated observations) ....(this just shows HOW to get from A to B. Not that you can or can't).
Don't knock me for this. I hope you can appreciate the time I took, and reply with constructive feedback please! :-)

Better yet take this from a marketing director stand point and give it to PhaseOne for C1v7.2 or a NEW C1v_PRO-LITE (DeveloperOnly)


LR scenario:

Existing:
When you launch LR, it asks you if you want a New catalog or choose from existing.
_In the case of New:
  As soon as you click New, it opens up my VERY familiar OS window with all my drives and folders. Something users that do file and folder arrangements are very familiar with. So this make it a easy step to say to oneself...."I would like to store catalogs in    this drive and folder". Done!
_In the case of selecting a Existing:
  Select from ones in the list, or again, Open up the OS browser/Explorer and go to where you know you made it.
*****There are no additional folders created when using this system. It makes it simple and straight forward.

LR New scenario:
Pretty much the same thing...Select New, Name the catalog in the familiar OS window.Opens the LR workspace with "Import"option. So the location and worrisome part is done....then, this brings up other another windows with a 3 panel interface. This shows you the FROM, the Content, and the TO. Makes it easy to see. It also has descriptions to the commands on top-center. (This is where I think LR NEEDS to improve as a force field with neutral default). You better MAKE SURE you either Copy, Move or ADD the images to the Catalog. And in my needs it is always ADD(I guess this means the same as Current does in C1). So all your files STAY put, but catalog thumbnails are created and placed where you wanted the catalog to be. On the left panel where things are placed, you get all the options from Metadata, Naming, dev settings, etc...select and Import, Done. (you get a grid viewer of course, plus a single image view)
(I resisted Catalogs and didn't use LR for sometime, until LRv3.x). I still don't care for a Catalog working with a Developer approach. but, the RAW developer was good enough to adapt).


C1v7 Sessions scenario: (this is not a direct comparison as it is Catalog(LR) vs  Sessions(C1)

When you launch C1, I am automatically in the "space/session/catalog(?)" I worked on last.(This CAN be a good thing for Sessions, not really a good method for Catalog) in the Exposure window.
Go to click the Folder tab, and then to one of the Session Folders, there it is the one with the Desktop and Lib, Computer, Network, and User folder.
So go to Network to select the drive.  And make sure to select the right folder, so C1 doesn't add unnecessary Settings, Cache C1 folders in areas undesirable.  Work away.


For C1v7 NEW Catalog, here is the scenario:

Launch C1v7, Let it load the last Sessionor what you worked on last (hope it isn't a large folder. No such luck with P45 or larger files).
File, Open, A C1 window with Name Catalog comes up, and Location and once you Ok, you get the backup window which I'm not sure what it will backup, so Close. Select Import (or Play video that didn't help me get started when I first installed C1v7).
It opens a C1 window with multiple parameters, and starts at where I had left off from 2 weeks ago, when I first tried C1 Catalog. So after you Select yet again, "Choose", opens a OS Window to browse to your folder. I select it, OK.
I notice a CaptureOne folder in it already, but ignore this. And the 1300+ images populate rather fast, Nice! So here I can select "Import To" (Whats it gonna do? Copy, move, Add, or? how does it work?(It would be nice to implement little explanation popups you can toggle to help), It has Current Location, Inside Catalog, or Choose. (Choose opens up the familiar OS Window).  So to remember I already made the catalog on the initial New Catalog window, so this must mean that it can Keep the images into the catalog(copy or move?), or leave in current location. I select Current. The other option is merged and truncated into each other(moving the window bar didn't fix this). It is "Collection"  which has options of Recent Imports Only, Capture Collection, or Select Album. Not sure what they are yet But likely something I would use once in the folders and looking at images closer to make decisions. [/color]Whats nice is it shows the space left on the drive. Backup is the next option, and I guess you can make that choice now(you might be looking for it later?). "Naming(or renaming?)" we can ignore for leaving the files in Current location. Metadata is nice to add here if you can. File info is nice and instant/fast. Adjustments maybe something to Automate.(include existing adjustments (Hope this picks up the Session adjustments made when working in Sessions). You have search and other options that maybe helpful at some time.....select files or ALL and Violla!


Launch C1, and (C1 takes some time to shut down as it does some background work. Acceptable, but, what was it doing?)
So, Launch C1 and...

It opens where I left off last in Sessions, ok.
Not too problematic, I need to go in Library and in front of Sessions I select the + sign for.....either New Session or New Catalog..Hmm, where is the catalog I made. Its not in the drop down window left of the large + sign.
OK, to the File dropdown, and to "Open" or Open Recent, and I see cosessions.db under Recent. That is it(not the Session I opened just earlier for the Sessions example above). So I wanted to see what happens if I open the existing cosessions.db, and it doesn't prompt to it. still have a workspace without images. Sorry I veared a bit...so let me try to open the catalog I had made.

It opens right up to the familiar OS window, and I have C1 Catalog, C1 Library, C1_Catalog(I created), Super!


So, yes, they both achieve the same, even exact functions, but how you get there is rather different.  I honestly can't quantify THAT many differences, really 2 or 3 steps, which are stumpers... BUT, I do know that I have to change my thinking gears when in C1, while LR is cohesive and has a visually friendly GUI. I have used C1 since I got it with my first DB about 8 years ago, so it isn't that I am uncomfortable or unfamiliar with it. If I can give it words, I could say it is choppy, and abrupt in behavior. Also lacks visual simplicity and comfort.  It is a software I want to love, but find myself often wanting to push rather than embrace.  Thank goodness for open mindedness, open markets, and I really love C1 for the developing engine. Which is what the core is all about and why I continue to use it. But all the other add-ons after 3.7x, I care little about. I'll take a 3.7x-(64bit) with new RAW developer ANY DAY! (OK, metadata addition IS very useful)

David, this isn't debative or argumentative. It's observational. and experience.

Still working with this new Raw engine...I'm look at some portrait files from a DB and I keep trying to get the look of C1v7 very basic default setting, and I can't even get that close to what I like seeing in C1...Not even to a point where I can say, "well that's close enough".
C1 just makes things so clear crisp, no plasticity. Sharp, default is already bumped up, but, still took down Exposure a couple notches, up on Clarity a bit also H/S a bit, and the colors alone...That is I think the point in the way it processes the colors. It keeps things of color independent of the lume, some how. While in LR, when you do some "comparable" processing(tools that sound similar do work differently) like the calirty, you lose color, brilliance, even in sharpness, you lose clarity in areas that C1 manages to keep smooth and clear.  So C1 can NOT take a back seat in editing, LR does, BUT for general purpose I can get away with at least 50% of work in LR. Makes you wonder for those who have tried. I wonder if there is a way to replicate(Or a base default working method ) C1 files in LR?
Also I use more of the features in LR like brushes, as I find them intuitive and inviting to go about them(surely its the PSAdobe familiarity) ...AND I'll manage in a dedicated DAM, (along with forced tLR catalog).

Praise Phase for keeping the option of both Sessions and Catalog...Oh and the developing engine!

Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: David Grover / Capture One on November 19, 2012, 03:36:25 am
Well, not really. The initial startup of LR, has these familiar windows. C1 has the C1 window and then more before you go into "Choose"

Here is the LOOong  version of the observations below(they are not tic for tat or any calculated observations) ....(this just shows HOW to get from A to B. Not that you can or can't).
Don't knock me for this. I hope you can appreciate the time I took, and reply with constructive feedback please! :-)

Better yet take this from a marketing director stand point and give it to PhaseOne for C1v7.2 or a NEW C1v_PRO-LITE (DeveloperOnly)


LR scenario:

Existing:
When you launch LR, it asks you if you want a New catalog or choose from existing.
_In the case of New:
  As soon as you click New, it opens up my VERY familiar OS window with all my drives and folders. Something users that do file and folder arrangements are very familiar with. So this make it a easy step to say to oneself...."I would like to store catalogs in    this drive and folder". Done!
_In the case of selecting a Existing:
  Select from ones in the list, or again, Open up the OS browser/Explorer and go to where you know you made it.
*****There are no additional folders created when using this system. It makes it simple and straight forward.

LR New scenario:
Pretty much the same thing...Select New, Name the catalog in the familiar OS window.Opens the LR workspace with "Import"option. So the location and worrisome part is done....then, this brings up other another windows with a 3 panel interface. This shows you the FROM, the Content, and the TO. Makes it easy to see. It also has descriptions to the commands on top-center. (This is where I think LR NEEDS to improve as a force field with neutral default). You better MAKE SURE you either Copy, Move or ADD the images to the Catalog. And in my needs it is always ADD(I guess this means the same as Current does in C1). So all your files STAY put, but catalog thumbnails are created and placed where you wanted the catalog to be. On the left panel where things are placed, you get all the options from Metadata, Naming, dev settings, etc...select and Import, Done. (you get a grid viewer of course, plus a single image view)
(I resisted Catalogs and didn't use LR for sometime, until LRv3.x). I still don't care for a Catalog working with a Developer approach. but, the RAW developer was good enough to adapt).


C1v7 Sessions scenario: (this is not a direct comparison as it is Catalog(LR) vs  Sessions(C1)

When you launch C1, I am automatically in the "space/session/catalog(?)" I worked on last.(This CAN be a good thing for Sessions, not really a good method for Catalog) in the Exposure window.
Go to click the Folder tab, and then to one of the Session Folders, there it is the one with the Desktop and Lib, Computer, Network, and User folder.
So go to Network to select the drive.  And make sure to select the right folder, so C1 doesn't add unnecessary Settings, Cache C1 folders in areas undesirable.  Work away.


For C1v7 NEW Catalog, here is the scenario:

Launch C1v7, Let it load the last Sessionor what you worked on last (hope it isn't a large folder. No such luck with P45 or larger files).
File, Open, A C1 window with Name Catalog comes up, and Location and once you Ok, you get the backup window which I'm not sure what it will backup, so Close. Select Import (or Play video that didn't help me get started when I first installed C1v7).
It opens a C1 window with multiple parameters, and starts at where I had left off from 2 weeks ago, when I first tried C1 Catalog. So after you Select yet again, "Choose", opens a OS Window to browse to your folder. I select it, OK.
I notice a CaptureOne folder in it already, but ignore this. And the 1300+ images populate rather fast, Nice! So here I can select "Import To" (Whats it gonna do? Copy, move, Add, or? how does it work?(It would be nice to implement little explanation popups you can toggle to help), It has Current Location, Inside Catalog, or Choose. (Choose opens up the familiar OS Window).  So to remember I already made the catalog on the initial New Catalog window, so this must mean that it can Keep the images into the catalog(copy or move?), or leave in current location. I select Current. The other option is merged and truncated into each other(moving the window bar didn't fix this). It is "Collection"  which has options of Recent Imports Only, Capture Collection, or Select Album. Not sure what they are yet But likely something I would use once in the folders and looking at images closer to make decisions. [/color]Whats nice is it shows the space left on the drive. Backup is the next option, and I guess you can make that choice now(you might be looking for it later?). "Naming(or renaming?)" we can ignore for leaving the files in Current location. Metadata is nice to add here if you can. File info is nice and instant/fast. Adjustments maybe something to Automate.(include existing adjustments (Hope this picks up the Session adjustments made when working in Sessions). You have search and other options that maybe helpful at some time.....select files or ALL and Violla!


Launch C1, and (C1 takes some time to shut down as it does some background work. Acceptable, but, what was it doing?)
So, Launch C1 and...

It opens where I left off last in Sessions, ok.
Not too problematic, I need to go in Library and in front of Sessions I select the + sign for.....either New Session or New Catalog..Hmm, where is the catalog I made. Its not in the drop down window left of the large + sign.
OK, to the File dropdown, and to "Open" or Open Recent, and I see cosessions.db under Recent. That is it(not the Session I opened just earlier for the Sessions example above). So I wanted to see what happens if I open the existing cosessions.db, and it doesn't prompt to it. still have a workspace without images. Sorry I veared a bit...so let me try to open the catalog I had made.

It opens right up to the familiar OS window, and I have C1 Catalog, C1 Library, C1_Catalog(I created), Super!


So, yes, they both achieve the same, even exact functions, but how you get there is rather different.  I honestly can't quantify THAT many differences, really 2 or 3 steps, which are stumpers... BUT, I do know that I have to change my thinking gears when in C1, while LR is cohesive and has a visually friendly GUI. I have used C1 since I got it with my first DB about 8 years ago, so it isn't that I am uncomfortable or unfamiliar with it. If I can give it words, I could say it is choppy, and abrupt in behavior. Also lacks visual simplicity and comfort.  It is a software I want to love, but find myself often wanting to push rather than embrace.  Thank goodness for open mindedness, open markets, and I really love C1 for the developing engine. Which is what the core is all about and why I continue to use it. But all the other add-ons after 3.7x, I care little about. I'll take a 3.7x-(64bit) with new RAW developer ANY DAY! (OK, metadata addition IS very useful)

David, this isn't debative or argumentative. It's observational. and experience.

Still working with this new Raw engine...I'm look at some portrait files from a DB and I keep trying to get the look of C1v7 very basic default setting, and I can't even get that close to what I like seeing in C1...Not even to a point where I can say, "well that's close enough".
C1 just makes things so clear crisp, no plasticity. Sharp, default is already bumped up, but, still took down Exposure a couple notches, up on Clarity a bit also H/S a bit, and the colors alone...That is I think the point in the way it processes the colors. It keeps things of color independent of the lume, some how. While in LR, when you do some "comparable" processing(tools that sound similar do work differently) like the calirty, you lose color, brilliance, even in sharpness, you lose clarity in areas that C1 manages to keep smooth and clear.  So C1 can NOT take a back seat in editing, LR does, BUT for general purpose I can get away with at least 50% of work in LR. Makes you wonder for those who have tried. I wonder if there is a way to replicate(Or a base default working method ) C1 files in LR?
Also I use more of the features in LR like brushes, as I find them intuitive and inviting to go about them(surely its the PSAdobe familiarity) ...AND I'll manage in a dedicated DAM, (along with forced tLR catalog).

Praise Phase for keeping the option of both Sessions and Catalog...Oh and the developing engine!



Phil,

Ill be honest, I am struggling to follow your post a little bit.

In Lightroom they have for the Catalog .lrcat and .lrdata.  Capture One has .cocatalog.  Just the one file.

The .cocatalog is the database aspect (like .lrcat).

Images you import into the catalog can either be copied inside of the .cocatalog file ('inside catalog' option in the import window) or you can reference images at their current location ('Current Location' option in the import window).  If you want to import and copy a file to a new location, i.e perhaps from memory card to permanent storage, use 'Choose Folder' option in the import window.

The .cocatalog file and your images don't have to exisit in the same location.  i.e. You could have your .cocatalog file on your laptop and the images on external storage so there is no size limitation.

Even if you don't have access to the external storage (maybe you are travelling) you could still then browse, edit and make most visual adjustments as well.

That's all there is to it.

Look out for this weeks Image Quality Professor tip this week as it digs deeper into it.  blog.phaseone.com.

David.
Title: Re: C1 v7 problem
Post by: Phil Indeblanc on November 22, 2012, 01:30:28 am
Phil,

Ill be honest, I am struggling to follow your post a little bit.

In Lightroom they have for the Catalog .lrcat and .lrdata.  Capture One has .cocatalog.  Just the one file.

The .cocatalog is the database aspect (like .lrcat).

Images you import into the catalog can either be copied inside of the .cocatalog file ('inside catalog' option in the import window) or you can reference images at their current location ('Current Location' option in the import window).  If you want to import and copy a file to a new location, i.e perhaps from memory card to permanent storage, use 'Choose Folder' option in the import window.

The .cocatalog file and your images don't have to exisit in the same location.  i.e. You could have your .cocatalog file on your laptop and the images on external storage so there is no size limitation.

Even if you don't have access to the external storage (maybe you are travelling) you could still then browse, edit and make most visual adjustments as well.

That's all there is to it.

Look out for this weeks Image Quality Professor tip this week as it digs deeper into it.  blog.phaseone.com.

David.



I did my best to be detailed on the steps, so if you're having trouble, I would suggest you try the steps as I have. Otherwise, I can understand it being hard to imagine how all this works step by step. And you are the SW dev manager. Imagine others reading this, and me! :-)

In your reply, I didn't see any ref to much I mention. I understand the files it creates for Catalog, and the similarities and its portability which I personally have not used in the past 10+ years, with any DAM.

This bit of my observation was a good summary...

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So, yes, they both achieve the same, even exact functions, but how you get there is rather different.  I honestly can't quantify THAT many differences, really 2 or 3 steps, which are stumpers... BUT, I do know that I have to change my thinking gears when in C1, while LR is cohesive and has a visually friendly GUI. I have used C1 since I got it with my first DB about 8 years ago, so it isn't that I am uncomfortable or unfamiliar with it. If I can give it words, I could say it is choppy, and abrupt in behavior. Also lacks visual simplicity and comfort.  It is a software I want to love, but find myself often wanting to push rather than embrace