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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: Bob Rockefeller on September 30, 2012, 09:17:50 am
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Has anyone read Jeff Schewe's The Digital Negative? What did you think about it?
I'm thinking about ordering it but I mostly use Aperture (although I own Lightroom, too). Are the techniques he presents pretty universal, or very focused on Lightroom (and ACR)?
Bob
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Although it's not a "how-to" for ACR/Lightroom/Photoshop, those are the processing tools used. So, yeah...it doesn't talk about Aperture at all.
Tom Frerichs
PS...it's also available for your B&N Nook.
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Would the content of the book be applicable (mutandis of course mutatis) to the use of Phocus?
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Are the techniques he presents pretty universal, or very focused on Lightroom (and ACR)?
I would say if you use Aperture, the book won't offer you much as all of the raw processing (the guts of the book) are about Lightroom/Camera Raw. There is one chapter about using Photoshop for those things LR/ACR can't do but if you don't use LR/ACR I don't think this is a book for you.
On the other hand, if you use LR/ACR plus Elements instead of the full Photoshop I would suggest the book.
Sorry, would love to sell a book to ya but would be not want you disappointed...just sayin'
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If you use LR, Camera Raw, and or Photoshop, get it. It is far and away the best book yet that I have come across about the 'digital negative'. It lets you understand not only a process for working with digital files, but a lot of the theory behind what happens and why. Mr. Schewe is hands down, the authority on pretty much all of the digital process. Plus, it is written in a very down to earth, friendly, easy to read style.
I highly recommend it.
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Jeff do you know if the book will be made available to non US distributors (i.e. Australia) and if so, do you know when?
And...how similar is your book to Seth Resnick's?
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Jeff do you know if the book will be made available to non US distributors (i.e. Australia) and if so, do you know when?
Yes...but it takes a while for the ships to arrive (I'm pretty sure Peachpit wouldn't use airfreight!)
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As far as Seth's book, he does the whole feature set of using Lightroom in a workflow...it covers a lot more about everything Lighroom. I cherry pick the raw process (Develop) and drill down a lot further than Seth does. So buy Seth's for workflow and mine for detailed information on raw processing (and working in Photoshop). Better yet, buy both plus Martin Evening's Lightroom Book too! You'll have 3/5 of the world's Pixel Geniuses...
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Yes...but it takes a while for the ships to arrive (I'm pretty sure Peachpit wouldn't use airfreight!)
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As far as Seth's book, he does the whole feature set of using Lightroom in a workflow...it covers a lot more about everything Lighroom. I cherry pick the raw process (Develop) and drill down a lot further than Seth does. So buy Seth's for workflow and mine for detailed information on raw processing (and working in Photoshop). Better yet, buy both plus Martin Evening's Lightroom Book too! You'll have 3/5 of the world's Pixel Geniuses...
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You're not helping my budget! Would help if Adobe slowed down with the LR/PS releases too - gotta figure out what to do with all my books on LR, LR2, CS2, CS3 etc etc. :^D
Would it be fair to say that your book could be considered reference material to the tutorial videos? I've found them invaluable, especially when asked to explain something to other photogs.
Good thing Christmas is approaching - better chance to hint to the wife...
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Would it be fair to say that your book could be considered reference material to the tutorial videos? I've found them invaluable, especially when asked to explain something to other photogs.
Well, there's a lot of stuff in the book that isn't in the vids (the book is more current)...and a lot of stuff in C2PS that's not in the book (I barely mention printing in the Digital Neg cause that will be covered in the next book, The Digital Print, yeah, sorry yet another book to buy :~).
Sorry...you asked!
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Well, there's a lot of stuff in the book that isn't in the vids (the book is more current)...and a lot of stuff in C2PS that's not in the book (I barely mention printing in the Digital Neg cause that will be covered in the next book, The Digital Print, yeah, sorry yet another book to buy :~).
Sorry...you asked!
Yeah I asked and copped it on the chin :^) I'll definitely be buying the Digital Print (pre christmas?).
Thanks for the info. One things for sure - you're always learning something new in the world of photography (especially digital).
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One things for sure - you're always learning something new in the world of photography (especially digital).
Uh, yep...I learn new stuff all the time! I learned a lot writing this book (you know, you think you know what you are talking about and then you have to write it down and suddenly you realized you really don't fully grok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok) something–forces you to really learn it!).
Fun times, huh?
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I ordered the book here in Sweden :)
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Jeff as you say, you really don't know something until you have to teach it.
I got the Kindle version of the book so I could have it on all my devices. I'm enjoying it so far, especially the uniquely Jeff style of humor.
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Jeff, I new (this year) to digital and post-processing but have read a lot of beginner books. Using only Lightroom and NIK plug ins so far as I'd like to tackle Photoshop when I have more time. I'm still perplexed when people talk about LR and ACR as separate entities.
Can you correct my understanding that Lightroom has ACR built in so the develop module in LR is actually ACR? I've seen in various books/website tutorials parts of ACR which has similar controls as in the LR Develop module.
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Lightroom is ACR on steroids, plus a plethora of digital management tools.
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Can you correct my understanding that Lightroom has ACR built in so the develop module in LR is actually ACR? I've seen in various books/website tutorials parts of ACR which has similar controls as in the LR Develop module.
ACR is a plug-in, Lightroom is a stand alone app. ACR is not built into LR...the core raw image processing algorithms are shared by the same relative versions of both ACR & LR. The main features are also in both but the UI and usability differs. LR can do some stuff because it's a stand alone app. ACR is limited in some things because it's a plug-in for Photoshop and Bridge. If you think of the raw processing as a pipeline, both ACR and Lightroom share the same core processing pipeline but I think it's a mistake to say ACR is in LR...the core code is shared but they are two very different things.
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I have the book on my iPad and it is masterfully done...I will be referring to this often! Lots of new stuff to learn! Thanks Jeff. Eleanor
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Thanks Jeff.
You are welcome...
As an interesting side note, after Michael wrote his short review on Fri, over the weekend the book shot up the charts at Amazon. It was (still is) ranked #1 in graphic design, digital imaging and Photoshop categories (actually several more) but actually got ranked #93 in ALL books on Amazon. I was actually shocked...sadly it has fallen back to only be #162 in books because, well, Amazon sold out :~( I'm told by the publisher that Amazon rarely sells out of newly released books because their forecasting is so good. But I'm promised more books are already being shipped to Amazon so hopefully they'll be available in a few days (and not the 1-3 weeks listed on the Amazon site).
I'm also told amazon.ca and UK should be getting shipments soon as well.
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Congrats Jeff! LuLa is quite a community.
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The common woman's arrived today! She's a happy camper! Lucky we are to be here. Add a couple more shiny side up's!
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I have used Lightroom since v1 and have used the LuLu videos since v2. I also have the Camera to Print. All of these are excellent. I pre-ordered Digital Negative some time ago on Amazon and received my copy last week and read it this past weekend. It is a triumph! It really goes well with the videos. It is more than the videos, re-enforces them well. Schewe has really done it!
My take away from the book is to really consider how I want to process the digital negative so that it best represents my vision, not just what will pass. Thanks Jeff for pushing me!
Now, when can I pre-order the book on the print.
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... But I'm promised more books are already being shipped to Amazon so hopefully they'll be available in a few days (and not the 1-3 weeks listed on the Amazon site)....
Found that Barnes & Noble online still has supply. Interesting that their local stores carry it for full retail and will not meet their online price, so ordered online; shipped today. I assume your royalty is the same either way, Jeff :) [B&N choking their own brick & mortar?]
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The BIG RIVER delivered mine today. Thanks Jeff.
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Now, when can I pre-order the book on the print.
The Digital Print is due out April 2013...sorry, I can only work on one book at a time :~)
For those of you who have the The Digital Neg book (in paper or ebook) have you guys gone to the book's web site?
www.TheDigitalNegativeBook.com (http://thedigitalnegativebook.com)
The site will have a lot of other stuff in the future but I've uploaded 10 images from Chapter 4 already (more to come) and two errata posts...
I'm still adding content day by day–it'll take a while to get fully populated so check out the site on a weekly basis–it's not designed to be an every day sort of place.
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I am still waiting for my copy from Amazon however I have been to the site to nose around.
No doubt once I get my copy of the book the site will go from being merely interesting to very useful.
Regards
Tony Jay
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For anyone living in the UK I got my copy from
http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/?utm_source=NL-Header&utm_medium=email-Newsletter&utm_term=Book-Depository_Logo&utm_content=Header-links&utm_campaign=Newsletter-September-11
about £4 cheaper with free delivery. I obviously don't know about how much stock it holds. So far read about 80 pages and I am impressed. One query I have is it states to use the Basic develop first. However if you use the lens correction later on in the workflow then the shadows will lighten because there is a vignetting lightening process taking place. Shouldn't this be used before the Basic develop? Or do they act independently of each other because the adjustments aren't applied till the end. One other thing. Is anyone disappointed because there isn't any Kelby style humour in the book? I certainly am not and the odd bit of humour fits nicely.
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You are welcome...
But I'm promised more books are already being shipped to Amazon so hopefully they'll be available in a few days (and not the 1-3 weeks listed on the Amazon site).
I'm also told amazon.ca and UK should be getting shipments soon as well.
I have ordered my copy in Amazon yesterday and they said that it will delivered by November 8th......hope they get more copies and deliver it before that date....by the way....following your comments I ordered also the book of Seth Resnick.....
Agustin
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I have the book on my iPad ...
I searched for a digital version of Jeff's book, but could not find it. Can someone please provide a link? I would have thought there'd be an 'adobe ditigal edition' available.
I ask because reading on a computer/tablet is more practical for me due to health reasons.
Thanks in advance.
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I searched for a digital version of Jeff's book, but could not find it. Can someone please provide a link? I would have thought there'd be an 'adobe ditigal edition' available.
I ask because reading on a computer/tablet is more practical for me due to health reasons.
Thanks in advance.
Amazon Kindle editon, I believe. There is a Kindle app for the iPad, BTW.
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I searched for a digital version of Jeff's book, but could not find it. Can someone please provide a link? I would have thought there'd be an 'adobe ditigal edition' available.
Amazon only sells the Kindle version but Peachipt sells an EPUB and PDF version which works well on an iPad. See this link (http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321839579).
It's also available from iTunes as well.
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Amazon only sells the Kindle version but Peachipt sells an EPUB and PDF version which works well on an iPad. See this link (http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321839579).
It's also available from iTunes as well.
Thanks, Jeff, EPUB is my preferred format.
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After reading a few pages on the 'look inside' section I ordered the book from Amazon.ca. Should be here by Nov. 2. I have hundreds of e-books, but some I just NEED in hard copy. This is one!
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See this link (http://www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=0321839579).
It's also available from iTunes as well.
Thanks, I bought your book at peachpit. Looking forward to reading it!
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I have read the book, although not in depth. Obviously I will need to read it again. The section about processing starting with page 134 has examples of different scenes that has been processed. The image taken from a plane and the iceberg weren't - imo - the best examples to use because most photographers won't be able to shoot such scenes. The processing done to them could possibly be explained a little better though in all honestly this is a difficult thing to do unless Jeff wanted to add a lot more pages and expense. David Duchemin tackled the same theme in
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vision-Voice-Refining-Photoshop-Lightroom/dp/0321670094/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1349356454&sr=8-5
for version 3. I have bought a lot of books on PS and LR and the videos and overall this is a worthy book that is worth buying. 4.5 out of 5 though lacking a bit of detail in the processing of images which as stated is difficult to do. :)
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I have the Kindle version. Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't have the password for me to use to download the files. Is there any way for me to get the password?
Wil
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I have the Kindle version. Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't have the password for me to use to download the files. Is there any way for me to get the password?
Wil
On the blog there's the hint on where to find the password.
Having bought the Kindle version as well, go on... the password is there :)
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Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't have the password for me to use to download the files. Is there any way for me to get the password?
From the book's web site: You can find the password in The DIGITAL NEGATIVE on page 42 of Chapter 2 Adobe Raw Image Processing: An Overview. In Figure 2.2, I show a screenshot of one of the initial versions of an application from the fall of 2002 that was a precursor to Lightroom. The name of that application is the password to view the Example Image posts. Note: the password is case sensitive!
Obviously the ebook version will not have the same page numbers as the printed book...but look for Figure 2.2.
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The image taken from a plane and the iceberg weren't - imo - the best examples to use because most photographers won't be able to shoot such scenes.
Well, you may not be shooting from planes, but have you ever shot distant vistas from a high place like a mountain? Ever shot in hazy/dusty conditions? As for the iceberg, sure, most people don't get to go to Antarctica but a lot of people shoot in the rain or fog that produce really flat results.
Perhaps I should have emphasized that readers should do a mental translation from the example images and apply it to their own work. All of the examples in chapter 4 are intended to represent very common image capture problems and show how you can deal with them.
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Thanks! That worked.
Wil
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The Digital Print is due out April 2013...sorry, I can only work on one book at a time :~)
For those of you who have the The Digital Neg book (in paper or ebook) have you guys gone to the book's web site?
www.TheDigitalNegativeBook.com (http://thedigitalnegativebook.com)
The site will have a lot of other stuff in the future but I've uploaded 10 images from Chapter 4 already (more to come) and two errata posts...
I've got the Kindle version but can't find any references to a Password to gain access to online content. Any hints about this?
Thanks,
Don
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Reread my message (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=71058.msg564067#msg564067)...
The answer is on the book's website (http://thedigitalnegativebook.com/wp/)....
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Order placed for both Jeff's and Seth's books. Martin's book will have to wait for Christmas. Amazon actually had a reasonable shipping rate to Australia. I've paid big bucks for shipping before from Amazon.
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Reread my message (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=71058.msg564067#msg564067)...
The answer is on the book's website (http://thedigitalnegativebook.com/wp/)....
Okay got it. Thanks.
Don
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Excellent Book; that I have already skimmed while on the porcelin throne, to be read in detail later. Rather than complain about "fog" processing I want to thank Jeff for the information I shoot Ski Racing almost every weekend of the winter fog and flat light are major issues(worst is bright sun on top ground fog coming off wet man made snow from the bottom up because it is so inconsistent). My issues with this book are two fold no pic of the author or biography (at least in my volume) I was hoping for a pic of Jeff in one of his famous shirts and plaid shorts on his bike. My second issue is not with the book but with Barnes and Noble; I saw the original blurb on this site the day it was put up, as I was on my way out to buy 4 gallons of $8 & 5 gallons of $12 gas (for my bikes) and passed the local mortar and brick Barnes and Noble. I stopped to buy the book and some other items never looked at my bill( imust have been foggy from the fumes)just swiped the CC. $54; buy your copy online from amazon or barnes and Noble for $26 and change.
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Hi Jeff,
My first post on LuLa. I am sort of a Lightroom addict after studying Marten Evening's book and following the LuLa LR4 tutorial (as well as C2P). Now I am at chapter 4 of your book and I want to let you know how wonderful it is to have the image examples available at sufficient resolution to really experience the subtleties of the impact of every editting step. Thanks a lot for making these available and thanks a lot for your book.
I still have one question though. Where can I download your tallent? At my age (70) I may not have the time to pick it all up by myself.
Cheers,
Boudewijn Swanenburg
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I still have one question though. Where can I download your tallent? At my age (70) I may not have the time to pick it all up by myself.
Ask my wife...she'll be happy to sell you part of my brain. It's the getting it out and back in that's kinda messy...
Thanks for the kind words...
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Just ordered my copy of this book plus Real World Sharpening 2nd edition from Barnes and Noble. Can't wait to give them a read!
- Evan
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I feel foolish asking this question. I cannot seem to be able to locate how to turn on a point curve or channel curve. I have no 'custom' option in the point curve drop down menu, just Linear, medium, and strong contrast options. I see no channel drop down menu either. Page 82 and 158.
Ctrl Click does not set a point on the curve. I'm stuck.
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Adam,
You may not be in point curve mode. To do that, click the little point curve icon in the lower right as shown here.
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I've clicked that and it opens up the four sliders. What I can't do is set a point or locate the channel curves.
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If you are on the Tone Curve palette and there are no sliders, you are at the Point Curve. When you hover your mouse over the control at the bottom-right, it will indicate either "click to edit point curve" or "click to stop editing the point curve." If you see the former, click on the control, if the latter, start editing the curve.
Alan
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I don't think I'm explaining myself clearly. I am able to use the tone curve panel as a parametric curve editor. I can't seem to use it as a point curve editor. At the bottom of page 81:
"To place very fine point curves, you can click the curve to add a point. This adds a locking point that con modify the Bezier curve behavior of adjoining points."
Nope. I can't add a point. I can't lock the curve at a certain place. See the top of page 82, third panel: "A complex curve with many points placed for accuracy." I can't create a tone curve that looks like that and I have no drop down to show me RGB Channels.
LR 4.2.
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I don't think I'm explaining myself clearly. I am able to use the tone curve panel as a parametric curve editor. I can't seem to use it as a point curve editor. At the bottom of page 81:
"To place very fine point curves, you can click the curve to add a point. This adds a locking point that con modify the Bezier curve behavior of adjoining points."
Nope. I can't add a point. I can't lock the curve at a certain place. See the top of page 82, third panel: "A complex curve with many points placed for accuracy." I can't create a tone curve that looks like that and I have no drop down to show me RGB Channels.
LR 4.2.
Something ain't right!
Don
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The symbol in the upper left corner of the panel (circle with a triangle above and a triangle below) is the Targeted Adjustment Tool. With the TAT on you add a point by clicking in the image, with the TAT off you click directly on the curve editor.
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Adam,
If you click Point Curve while in Point Curve mode and select medium or strong contrast are points added to the tone curve? If not, then you likely have some kind of software issue.
Mark
LR 4.1
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I don't think I'm explaining myself clearly. I am able to use the tone curve panel as a parametric curve editor. I can't seem to use it as a point curve editor.
Re-read what Mark wrote and look at his screenshot...you are not in the Point Curve Editor...switching between Parametric and Point Curve is pretty basic. It's that little curve icon in Mark's screenshot. It's on the lower left of the Curves panel...it's a button to switch modes.
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It's on the lower left of the Curves panel...it's a button to switch modes.
Lower right?
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Thanks all. I finally got it to work. It was user error. ::)
Jeff, this book is fantastic. I think you've added plenty of new material that's not in the LR4 video. I'm up to chapter four now, moving into the channel color section. ;D I just love how you're showing us best practices and how to move past a photojournalistic approach for Camera Raw/LR to one where personal creativity plays a critical role in image development and developing a personal style. I'm taking my time with this book.
And your Lula video with Eric Chan was icing on the cake. I hope we can see and hear more of him.
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Lower right?
Uh, yeah...that's what I meant...lower right...
:~)
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Order placed for a physical copy, anticipating an informative read as usual.
Dave
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Even though I use Aperture for most of my work, I bought this book from Amazon to learn more about RAW image processing in general.
It turned out to be a good choice as most of the book was applicable to my Aperture use either because it was common information about the RAW image format or RAW processing workflow, or because many of the adjustment tools in Lightroom have close equivalents in Aperture.
I'm working up a blog post to show what I mean and I've emailed Mr. Schewe asking for permission to use one of his images from the book to demonstrate.
Bob
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I bought the book, very useful, thank you Jeff.
In book you briefly mention the DNG flatfield plugin which is my excuse (however contrived) for bring my question to this thread. I've installed the plugin but it doesn't work. I get the following error:
Plug-in error log for plug-in at: C:\DNGFlatField.lrplugin
**** Error 1
An error occurred while attempting to load this plug-in.
Info.lua: bad header in precompiled chunk
Anyone got any ideas?
(Vista 32bit, LR 4.2)
Thanks
Dave
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Here's my take on The Digital Negative from an Aperture users perspective:
http://www.bobrockefeller.com/2012/10/27/the-digital-negative-for-aperture-users/
I find that an Aperture user can learn a lot about post processing from Lightroom oriented books. Which is a good things as there are relatively few Aperture focused books!
Bob
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Just received mine today.
Cannot wait to dig into it but will have to wait a few days.
Headed to MCO for annual flight simulator training and am supposed to be studying aircraft systems. Yuk!
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Mine arrived a few days ago (a few days after "Workflow, not Workslow) and it's been a great read so far. I like that it appears to have been written for someone who already has some knowledge on what they're doing (it doesn't go through all the absolute basics of LR etc).
Thumbs up Jeff.
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I like that it appears to have been written for someone who already has some knowledge on what they're doing (it doesn't go through all the absolute basics of LR etc).
Thanks...that was a conscience decision...there are already very good Photoshop & Lightroom books out there (Evening, Resnick, & Kelby) that have to cover the basics...but I wanted to go deeper. Martin is a bit envious because he can't cherry pick the topics like I did :~).
It's the same approach I'll be taking with The Digital Print...it won't cover EVERYTHING, just what I think is important.
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Bob--
I recently bought "The Digital Negative (book) and find it extremely helpful and well written. Jeff really knows this stuff. I am beginning to capture images in RAW only and the material covered in the book will help me start on the right path. I received the book from Amazon.ca this week. Other books on LR4 and CS6 I am reading are also from Jeff, Bruce Fraser (Real World Image Sharpening, Camera Raw with Photoshop CS5) and from Martin Evening ( Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4, Adobe Photoshop CS6 for Photographers).
My learning path is steep right now,... but much fun. Also having a good understanding of what one can do in post, will, I believe, help me take better images.
I recommend this book!
cheers,
Leszek
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My learning path is steep right now,... but much fun. Also having a good understanding of what one can do in post, will, I believe, help me take better images.
Thanks for the kind words, and yes, going from a standstill to 90MPH is a rush...the key here is the "fun" part...I still have fun finding images that at first glance kinda sucks and knowing how to deploy Lightroom or Photoshop to make something out of not much. That's fun...just know that while the path is steep now, it gets easier (and more fun) the longer you work at it...
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I would also like to add my appreciation of The Digital Negative. Although a lot of the techniques I had more or less worked out for myself or gleaned from this site, there was plenty more to pick up and it was also good to confirm that I wasn't way off the mark. Very nicely written and to the point. If your Digital Print is anywhere near as good, I will definitely be ordering it!
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...the path...gets easier (and more fun)...
Another delightful find from your book - using paths to make selections! I have never been fully satisfied with the selection tools. Paths are a great answer, thank you for your motivating discussion.
The pen is a bit tricky but I'm getting the hang of it. I found Martin Evening's brief tutorial in his Photoshop for Photographers especially helpful.
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After having worked with LR 4 (coming from Aperture) now for some time I find the book enlightening, although with most of the processing I was on the right track after Jeff's & Michael's tutorials.
But after reading Jeff's book I see & find much more potential in my materials and work on most of them a second time.
Especially Jeff's local adjustments & advanced RAW processing hints are brilliant and fun to work with.
Thanks, Jeff!
If you ever happen to surface in Vienna/Austria, let me know, I owe you at least a good bottle of white wine.
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Hi Jeff
Would you please define "tone-mapping" in the context that you use it in the book?
Most of the definitions I see are related to HDR, and I'm pretty sure that is not what you are referring to.
Regards
William
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Tone mapping is simply taking the linear capture and mapping it to some sort of tone curve that makes the image look good (since a linear images doesn't).
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I have, and have used, both versions of Camera To Print as well as the LL's tutorial on LR4. I bought "The Digital Negative" to help my wife get the most out of ACR, and I decided to have a look through it before giving it to her.
Well, I started with the first page and so far have gone page by page through the segment on sharpening and noise reduction. My wife will not see the book until I have finished the rest of it. Thanks to Jeff's explanations...the "why" behind the "what," I have finally ousted my older ways of thinking about seemingly self-evident controls such as Contrast, Highlights, Shadows, etc, and reorganized my way of working with my pix.
While Jeff's sense of humor is evident throughout the book it does not become the "tail wagging the dog," and his purpose of giving enough technical explanation at each point remains prominent. I'm a person who can grasp needed concepts yet can also find myself swimming (more like drowning) if things get so technical that my eyes cross as I read. Jeff has hit just the right level of technical discourse so that I understand his points and methods in LR and ACR.
So far, the few notes to me I have written in the blank pages at the beginning of the book have made the book well worth the cost.
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Jeff has hit just the right level of technical discourse so that I understand his points and methods in LR and ACR.
Absolutely! Ansel would be proud of Jeff.
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Setting aside the wealth of good information, techniques and tips contained in this book, the section on Creative Progressive Sharpening alone is worth the price. A client came to me with all that remained from a botched job: some slightly blurred test shots. Progressive sharpening produced usable files, and I think the client was going to cry when he saw the result! Now he thinks I'm a Photoshop wizard. Ha! Thanks, Jeff!
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Setting aside the wealth of good information, techniques and tips contained in this book, the section on Creative Progressive Sharpening alone is worth the price. A client came to me with all that remained from a botched job: some slightly blurred test shots. Progressive sharpening produced usable files, and I think the client was going to cry when he saw the result! Now he thinks I'm a Photoshop wizard. Ha! Thanks, Jeff!
I believe it was in the Lula Camera 2 Print 2 Screen videos that Jeff included a Photoshop action for Progressive Sharpening which I have found extremely useful!
Mark
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I believe it was in the Lula Camera 2 Print 2 Screen videos that Jeff included a Photoshop action for Progressive Sharpening which I have found extremely useful!
Mark
Huh, you're right about that, but I forgot I had those actions from C2P2S; somehow I never installed them after upgrading to CS6. There were a number of other things I had forgotten about in Photoshop that the book brought back to mind. Useful, that way!
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A client came to me with all that remained from a botched job: some slightly blurred test shots. Progressive sharpening produced usable files, and I think the client was going to cry when he saw the result!
Yep...actually that's what happened when I discovered progressive sharpening...a photographer friend of mine begged me to take a look at a shoot his did where most of the shoot was shot front focused (the model was actually out of focus). I tried all kind of things to try to get the model sharper...I finally hit on the progressive sharpening. It couldn't completely fix the out of focus but it did get the model sharp enough to get a good halftone repro from it. Necessity is the mother of invention :~)
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"...Progressive sharpening produced usable files..."
Is there a way to automate the LR-PS roundtrip for say, Creative progressive sharpening, midtone contrast, Blue edge fix, etc. ?
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It is absolutely possible to automate both Lightroom and Photoshop individually.
I do not know of an advertised way of automating Lightroom and Photoshop together for the purpose of a "one-click" command to round trip images through both applications and back again.
Lets see if anyone else has any ideas.
Tony Jay
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One way would be via a Photoshop droplet which you'd then set up in LR as an external editor ("Edit With") or alternatively as a Post Processing Step (bottom of the Export dialog). Beyond that you're into the realm of scripting two distinct apps, which can be enormous fun....
John
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There was once (up to PS 2 if I remember well) "Automator action" - you could write a round trip to PS & back to automate or batch-process your workflow.
I didn't find anything similar for LR 4 & PS 6. Not being really familiar with Apple scripting - maybe there is somebody knowledgeable out there?
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You can't really automate LR with AppleScript/Automator. The nearest you can get is triggering a Photoshop script (better JavaScript rather than AppleScript or VB) directly from Lightroom, but you'd have to write that a Lightroom plug-in using LR's Lua coding language and include lots of other code to watch for images output by Photoshop. So for practical purposes, the best way to do it is as I said earlier - launching a droplet via "edit with".
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You can't really automate LR with AppleScript/Automator. The nearest you can get is triggering a Photoshop script (better JavaScript rather than AppleScript or VB) directly from Lightroom, but you'd have to write that a Lightroom plug-in using LR's Lua coding language and include lots of other code to watch for images output by Photoshop. So for practical purposes, the best way to do it is as I said earlier - launching a droplet via "edit with".
You might get quite a long way with interface scripting (tell "System Events").
Jeremy
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Possibly. I don't think it's worth the effort though.
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A bump for this great book, and a question for Jeff : do you know of any translations in the making?
When I point to your book on french forums, some of my foreign-language-impaired fellow countrymen (which actually means circa 90% of them I'm afraid) often regret it is written in English...
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When I point to your book on french forums, some of my foreign-language-impaired fellow countrymen (which actually means circa 90% of them I'm afraid) often regret it is written in English...
I believe a French translation is in the works. But I'm not directly involved and have no info about when...sorry.