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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: UlfKrentz on September 11, 2012, 10:26:37 am
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Just got an email, thought I share.
http://www.calumetphoto.de/eng/landingpage/H5D.cfm?t=CM03&a=CM03
Cheers
Ulf
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in english
http://www.hasselblad.se/promotions/h5d.aspx
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A Hasselblad camera is not a reward for having achieved a successful career. A Hasselblad camera is the tool with which you build your successful career to begin with.
There is never any time like the present to start building for the future. And if you think 35mm is good enough for this stage of your career, then you’d better hope that your clients are also willing to settle for “good enough”. The best clients, however, are almost never willing to settle for “good enough”. And why should they, when there are photographers out there who can provide the best? And providing the best is what Hasselblad and the new H5D are all about.
So Hasselblad announces a new camera and this is the first thing they have to say????
It's pretty much an announcement that they are on the defensive.
The line I put in bold is the funniest part.
I hate to break the news to Hasselblad, but I have never had a client question what camera I use, unless it has been regarding an expense in a quote.
All my clients choose me based on my pictures.
I find this to be another example of this misconception
http://htv.hasselblad.com/video/karl-taylor-shooting-with-a-hasselblad?current-channel=all-channels (http://htv.hasselblad.com/video/karl-taylor-shooting-with-a-hasselblad?current-channel=all-channels)
go to 2:00, the part where he says he does not like showing up to a shoot with the same camera as his client.
This is something that Hasselblad and other MFD cameras manufacturers repeat here and there all the time.
Actually in reality if you show up with the same camera as your client or even inferior it's a testament to your
skills.
Also if this wee an issue for me I would have quite a hard time as many of higher end clients are millionaires and have Hasselblads as well as Leicas not to
mention Ferrari's and Lamboghinis ;)
Anyway I make this point because I often hear young photographers tell me they want to get a MFD so as to have access to a higher level of clients.
It's really not the case. It has not been the case for a very long time, but especially now.
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Fred,
It sounds like you are on the offensive not that Hasselblad is on the defense. Why? What's it to you anyhow? You don't even shoot MF. The 4D was miles ahead of Phase/Mamiya's DF body already and now it got even better. Same is true with the Hy6 and their new model 2 - the great made even greater. Phase has been behind for 3 generations and been playing catch up. So far Phase has not announced any thing but is expected to. Let's see what they come up with before we pass any judgements. I don't think its fair to compare to your DSLR - different tool for different work. And we haven't heard about any new H backs, but they may be saving the really good stuff for later.
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That's great! I may upgrade my H4D-40.
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• New compressed RAW files for faster and smoother workflow
• Even better focus correction with True Focus II
• Print-ready JPEG mode for quick preview and printing
• New Camera Configurator
• New improved grip surface
• Larger and more ergonomic buttons
• Larger, easier to read display style
• New menu and graphics design
• New programmable buttons
• New and improved weather sealing
• New, more durable eye cup
• New sensor unit safety lock
• New and faster processors for more rapid internal communication
• Support for new capture modes
• New and more accurate focus algorithms
• New motor drive algorithms
• And more.
New more durable eye cup????? Sorry not impressed. It's still small and a rectangle. I really don't get this. What does it take to make a proper eyecup, or maybe a couple of different ones. Just look at professional motion picture cameras and see what I mean.... or the Eyecup on some pro cameras from 20 years ago.
Here is an example of a proper eyecup..
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6091/6242494779_e6cf765002_b.jpg)
New improved grip surface.... what still no vertical grip...
If these two items are included in the short list of features... well it's rather sad.
Larger, easier to read display style
New menu and graphics design
Same small screen... just rehashed the graphics..... and aren't these two items the same thing.
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You are not a current H user that kind of shows. Many current users have been complaining about the eye-cup (including myself). It seems this is fixed now. Several other wishes seem to be addressed too like weather sealing, jpeg output and compressed RAW (hopefully with some binning options too). Besides this an already excellent AF is improved as well according to this.
Sure not something breathtaking but all in all some improvements that many users will appreciate... something that works, works well, has been improved upon.
I just wonder what the tethering options will be....
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Fred,
It sounds like you are on the offensive not that Hasselblad is on the defense. Why? What's it to you anyhow? You don't even shoot MF.
I do shoot medium format ;)
Why am I on the "offensive".... I guess you did not read my post... last sentence.....
What is it to me anyhow? ... I kind of have this sense of allegiance with my younger colleagues, ex assistants, enthusiasts ... photographers and photography.
Hasselblad on the defensive..... come on they announce a new camera and the first paragraph is all about ... the competition that is eroding their market.
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You are not a current H user that kind of shows. Many current users have been complaining about the eye-cup (including myself). It seems this is fixed now. Several other wishes seem to be addressed too like weather sealing, jpeg output and compressed RAW (hopefully with some binning options too). Besides this an already excellent AF is improved as well according to this.
Sure not something breathtaking but all in all some improvements that many users will appreciate... something that works, works well, has been improved upon.
I just wonder what the tethering options will be....
I have refused H rentals at pickup if the eyepiece was falling apart. I just think it is rather sad that there are no other eyepiece options for a $ 40,000 camera.
Ask a director of photography if he or she would accept this kind of rubbish from Panavision, Sony, Arri or Red.
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The eyepiece falling apart was not really the main gripe but more the eyepiece falling off. Nothing shocking since it is easily put back but annoying to say the least and naturally really annoying when you cannot find the missing eyepiece.
Sure Sony, Arri or Red have their act much better together and silly things like this never happens to them but what has that got to do with it?
Find what you like, I think many people were overexpecting. I work everyday with my H4, really appreciate it, the improvements I see here are improvements I would certainly like in my H4D.
I just hope they have included TB/USB3.0 tethering next to FW.
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Fred,
The 4D was miles ahead of Phase/Mamiya's DF body
Miles ahead?
Not hard to beat a DF body, but I would not say miles ahead is a bit of an exaggeration.
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I just hope they have included TB/USB3.0 tethering next to FW.
That would have been on in the announcement......
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Ask a director of photography if he or she would accept this kind of rubbish from Panavision, Sony, Arri or Red.
Many operators are extremely protective of the eyepiece. Aesthetics notwithstanding, the possibility of inheriting an eye infection is the main reason. Instantly changeable foam eyepiece covers are common.
Image quality aside, for the photographer, the viewfinder IS the camera. In a professional tool, there's no excuse for anything but the absolute best viewfinder system.
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Image quality aside, for the photographer, the viewfinder IS the camera. In a professional tool, there's no excuse for anything but the absolute best viewfinder system.
This is the whole deal, isn't it? Your connection with what you are shooting is contained in that eyepiece. The H has a pretty good finder, but yeah, why square? I hate that in the Canons too. Why doesn't anyone pay attention to this? Yeah, 80 mpx is cool, but who cares if you are looking through a toilet paper tube when making a photograph.
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Sure Sony, Arri or Red have their act much better together and silly things like this never happens to them but what has that got to do with it?
I have complained to both Hasselblad and Phase One about their eyepiece and eyecup.
Hasselblad in particular, because they used to have better options in the past.
You see the really big difference is that Sony, Panavision and Arri understand a very simple thing.... camera men peer into cameras for quite a lot of minutes a day and need to have the best viewing possible so as to concentrate on their work. Hasselblad and Phase One have their head so far up their...... that they don't get it.
I even had a third part eyecup manufacturer look into making one for either H or Phase. They said that the companies were just to un co-operative making it not worth it.
Back in the day I remember talking to Fuji about a loup finder for the 680. Not only were they genuinely concerned about listening to me, they wen't and made one just as I suggested and made it better than I expected..... and yes with a big round eyecup.
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Many operators are extremely protective of the eyepiece. Aesthetics notwithstanding, the possibility of inheriting an eye infection is the main reason. Instantly changeable foam eyepiece covers are common.
Image quality aside, for the photographer, the viewfinder IS the camera. In a professional tool, there's no excuse for anything but the absolute best viewfinder system.
You could not have said this better. But add to that shooting on location with the sun getting into your viewfinder with an ND filter for shallow depth of field and you have multinational hey fever.
It's sad that despite the massive investments required today both the top MFD vendors offer less than what was offered in the past when it comes to these really simple items.
Off center micro prisms:
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6162/6241737011_63a0cbf57e_o.jpg)
Full line of viewfinders:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7121/7600908744_becbe2c10f_b.jpg)
There was even one other one that I don't have a diagram for.
Great eyepiece with a large rear element making it less neccessary to be perfectly on axis and have way way better corner viewing.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6842985176_306fd1f8f8_b.jpg)
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Guys,
Let's not fight about the eyepiece. Most of the tread has been about this, while there is more than this.
It is always nice to see some evolution. I would have hoped for more, but what can I say.
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Looks like there might be some improvements there, however the kicker for me is still the fact that the grip is the battery....and maybe they have fixed the mechanism but it never felt solid to me......now lets just see what PhaseOne has been cooking up for us.
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Seems like the field just opened up for PhaseOne to knock it out of the park with something revolutionary, let's see if they are set to capitalize on it. God knows they've been working on it long enough.
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Anyone know what improvements to the true focus have been made?
and regarding phase ... I'm an optimist... hoping for a completely new camera not just a 4th iteration on the flawed DF body.
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Anyone know what improvements to the true focus have been made?
and regarding phase ... I'm an optimist... hoping for a completely new camera not just a 4th iteration on the flawed DF body.
That's what everyone expects I think. I remember them saying when they bought Mamiya that they were working on a completely new camera even before the purchase, but in the meantime they were going to iterate on the old one.
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What an interesting thread... and so much discussion on an eyecup. To those who have worked with the Hasselblad H system know that they can provide feedback whether it be through me, a Hasselblad Sales or Technical Rep, this information is passed onto our Product Managers who must determine what are the most commonly requested features, functional and design changes worldwide. It is these requests that find there way into the next generation camera.
I feel that Hasselblad has brought some very nice improvements to the 6th generation H5D camera.
• New compressed RAW files for faster and smoother workflow
• Even better focus correction with True Focus II
• Print-ready JPEG mode for quick preview and printing
• New Camera Configurator
• New improved grip surface
• Larger and more ergonomic buttons
• Larger, easier to read display style
• New menu and graphics design
• New programmable buttons
• New and improved weather sealing
• New, more durable eye cup
• New sensor unit safety lock
• New and faster processors for more rapid internal communication
• Support for new capture modes
• New and more accurate focus algorithms
• New motor drive algorithms
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Hello - I would like a convenient "L" bracket option -
Most of my picture are taken in "portrait" orientation and the current Gitzo ball head tripods are inconvenient for turning the camera. The best option seems to be from Really Right Stuff or Kirker.
That aside - I am kind of hoping to upgrade from my H3D to this camera. But - one thing I would like it the capacity to "drop" teh camera from about 1 meter height with reasonable certainty of zero-damage other than a cosmetic scratch.
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Paul, can you answer the inevitable question as to whether the H5D will be "open" to third party backs?
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Paul,
Can you shed some light on what improvements have been made to TF2? The only thing that could be improved (IMO naturally) is the speed of locking focus but other than that I could not be happier with TF version 1.
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Perhaps it's just me, but I would like a built in variable ND filter through a lowering of iso?
Shaun
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it looks like a Zebra..
Any way i completely agree the Phase DF body is realy not a good body, light years behind..
I LOVE the phase one backs, LOVE them, but their body isn't up to their backs quality, actually every day i go to work hoping it wil not break on me...
I might go upgrade my next back to a contax mount , :p:p
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Caveat:
I'm not a Hasselblad shooter.
Thoughts:
And this wouldn't make me one.
This is targeted at keeping existing customers happy. I would imagine that for anyone already shooting Hasselblad, it is a nice evolutionary step. I have only recently moved into the world of MF, but the press release kind of reads to me how I'd expect the press release coming from Phase would have read when the DF came out. I dunno, maybe that's not a great comparison (because the DF brought leaf-shutter lenses into the mix). Perhaps it's more like the improvement from AFD-II to AFD-III.
The key word here though is "evolutionary". It's a nice incremental upgrade for people already shooting Hasselblad.
There has to be more to come from the company though, surely? Firstly, wasn't the hype originally around a September 18th announcement? I can't imagine that this was it, and that they've brought it forward.
“In 2002 at photokina Hasselblad launched the revolutionary H System that changed and shaped the medium format market of the new millennium. Embraced by professional and amateur photographers around the world, it is still the unsurpassed standard for craftsmanship and ultimate image quality. In 2012, 10 years later, our commitment to innovation, evolution and expanding to new horizons is as uncompromising as it has always been in the century long history of Hasselblad.”
Is this feature list innovative? I wouldn't say so (True Focus was of course innovative. A new iteration of it isn't.)
Is it evolutionary? Clearly
Does it expand to new horizons? Absolutely not.
From a purely objective view, I can't see any way that this would increase Hasselblad's market share.
Kind regards,
Gerald.
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What an interesting thread... and so much discussion on an eyecup. To those who have worked with the Hasselblad H system know that they can provide feedback whether it be through me, a Hasselblad Sales or Technical Rep, this information is passed onto our Product Managers who must determine what are the most commonly requested features, functional and design changes worldwide. It is these requests that find there way into the next generation camera.
I feel that Hasselblad has brought some very nice improvements to the 6th generation H5D camera.
• New compressed RAW files for faster and smoother workflow
• Even better focus correction with True Focus II
• Print-ready JPEG mode for quick preview and printing
• New Camera Configurator
• New improved grip surface
• Larger and more ergonomic buttons
• Larger, easier to read display style
• New menu and graphics design
• New programmable buttons
• New and improved weather sealing
• New, more durable eye cup
• New sensor unit safety lock
• New and faster processors for more rapid internal communication
• Support for new capture modes
• New and more accurate focus algorithms
• New motor drive algorithms
I'm an H4D-50 user. Any chance those "New and more accurate focus algorithms" could be ported to the current H4D series, via a firmware upgrade?
I can't see that much in the above list that makes an H5D a must-have upgrade for me, but I'm open to persuasion... and I have fixed the eyecup issue with my H4D using blu tak :-)
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What an interesting thread...
...and what about
putting most of the electronics in the digiback, so you have all the functionality when you use it on a view-camera?
automated DOF stacking, in camera or remote.
remote powered zoom ...you expect full remote control in a competent versatile professional camera
Decades ago pros bought Hasselblads because they knew they were buying into a professional system that would do anything they wanted it to do.
I am on my sixth Hasselblad, the H4D-60
...and will the battery option work with existing 60Mpx digibacks, as promised for years?
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I'd love to find someone to trade my low mileage H2F/CF39-MS/80mm kit for an H4D-40/ 50mm II kit. Funny how the image quality hasn't changed much over the past few iterations, excepting more MPs. But really, the difference between 50MP and 39MP is academic. The multi-shot capability of the 39 still trounces a single shot 60MP camera.
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I would prefered a full black "panther" body...
I liked the new battery. Anyone knows if its retro-compatible with the old H3D and H4D ? the total capacity incresed?
And i think that its was good to have a H5D 31MP entry level DMF for lower price (7.000Euros), not everyone need 40MP, but like to enter in the Medium Format.
The marketing for the medium format to be competitive need to be about the tecnical format of this cameras and not for "i have more pixels than the 35mm"
But i love the Hasselblad, and its good to see some news, i allready worked with the Phase P45 and its a great back but the camera base system its the same from 645AF from the 80´s....
Thanks, and i still love my H3D II 39MP and every work amazed me with the Raw files everytime!!!!
Pedro
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When I opened my email box today, I was somewhat excited but that's just another letdown. Digital MF world has been letting me down for quite a time, to the point that I no longer care that much what am I shooting with- and that's actually a good thing! You can concentrate on taking the photos rather than thinking 'damn, if only I had xxxxx camera this shot might have been better'. Thank you Phase One/Hassy (no sarcasm in that sentence).
By the way- if they stay with the 'incremental changes' policy for few years more, the MFDB market will be only for hi-end artists, dentists, some masochists and desperate guys (maybe Photokina will prove me wrong, who knows). It simply won't pay off to use MFDB no matter how you look at it.
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So Hasselblad announces a new camera and this is the first thing they have to say????
It's pretty much an announcement that they are on the defensive.
The line I put in bold is the funniest part.
I hate to break the news to Hasselblad, but I have never had a client question what camera I use, unless it has been regarding an expense in a quote.
All my clients choose me based on my pictures.
I find this to be another example of this misconception
http://htv.hasselblad.com/video/karl-taylor-shooting-with-a-hasselblad?current-channel=all-channels (http://htv.hasselblad.com/video/karl-taylor-shooting-with-a-hasselblad?current-channel=all-channels)
go to 2:00, the part where he says he does not like showing up to a shoot with the same camera as his client.
This is something that Hasselblad and other MFD cameras manufacturers repeat here and there all the time.
Actually in reality if you show up with the same camera as your client or even inferior it's a testament to your
skills.
Also if this wee an issue for me I would have quite a hard time as many of higher end clients are millionaires and have Hasselblads as well as Leicas not to
mention Ferrari's and Lamboghinis ;)
Anyway I make this point because I often hear young photographers tell me they want to get a MFD so as to have access to a higher level of clients.
It's really not the case. It has not been the case for a very long time, but especially now.
Haha what a poser this guy !! Damn it is unbelievable.
I wonder why during my last shooting, Dior agency felt in love with what I can output with my SIGMA Dp2m ... Leica S2 stayed in the car.
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Nice point update.
Cheers,
Bernard
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I have to say there is nothing here that's says I should be investing thousands to upgrade. Ya a better functioning eyecup is such an improvement and well worth the numerous comments but FFS is this the announcement Hasselblad users have been waiting for.
I am very disappointed that the pixel count hasn't been increased. Of course not everyone needs an increase but many do as do I. Im printing up to 25m at the moment! And on a single image capture please. Not a bloody 5 image MS which is no good to me!!
Some sort of live view would be great. More for composing as focusing because it's not a CMOS sensor. Better dynamic range, better ISO range. These are the things that can really make a difference. A prettier silver camera with Bigger buttons with a better grip, better menus and an eyecup that won't fall off is not what I've been waiting for. There is nothing here that makes me go wow. Well the 24mm lens looks great but that's not the camera. When the phase one IQ's came out there was a wow element. When he D800 came out there was a wow element. Let's hope this isn't the 5D III moment for MF
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:D :D
I was thinking the same thing. The good part about this, is that at the lack of real improvements in sensor count/DR or creative new designs, they are finally solving those repetitive little nuances that always get forgotten behind the noise of MORE PIXELS!
Eduardo
Let's hope this isn't the 5D III moment for MF
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So Hasselblad announces a new camera and this is the first thing they have to say????
It's pretty much an announcement that they are on the defensive.
The line I put in bold is the funniest part.
I hate to break the news to Hasselblad, but I have never had a client question what camera I use, unless it has been regarding an expense in a quote.
All my clients choose me based on my pictures.
I find this to be another example of this misconception
http://htv.hasselblad.com/video/karl-taylor-shooting-with-a-hasselblad?current-channel=all-channels (http://htv.hasselblad.com/video/karl-taylor-shooting-with-a-hasselblad?current-channel=all-channels)
go to 2:00, the part where he says he does not like showing up to a shoot with the same camera as his client.
This is something that Hasselblad and other MFD cameras manufacturers repeat here and there all the time.
Actually in reality if you show up with the same camera as your client or even inferior it's a testament to your
skills.
Also if this wee an issue for me I would have quite a hard time as many of higher end clients are millionaires and have Hasselblads as well as Leicas not to
mention Ferrari's and Lamboghinis ;)
Anyway I make this point because I often hear young photographers tell me they want to get a MFD so as to have access to a higher level of clients.
It's really not the case. It has not been the case for a very long time, but especially now.
I agree completely. Its been my experience as a full time professional for 34 years. I have never tried (or felt like I needed to) impress clients with my camera.
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This is basically Hasselblad's iPhone 4"s". Good camera. Slightly better than the last camera. But basically the same.
Not sure "H" is done announcing yet though...
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Ya I think or at least hope you're right. This can't be the full announcement. One thing I noticed was the description was very very brief. I have a feeling we will see some additional features. Maybe a shirpa who can replace the eyecup every time it falls off ;D
This is basically Hasselblad's iPhone 4"s". Good camera. Slightly better than the last camera. But basically the same.
Not sure "H" is done announcing yet though...
- N.
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Can be inferred from the context that it is a department of "Unprofessional Camera" Maybe we'll see more new products...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/09/11/Hasselblad-introduces-H5D-medium-format-camera-and-24mm-F4-8-lens
Peter Stig-Nielsen, Hasselblad's Director of Professional Camera Products said: "Customers will immediately notice the new-look and improved ergonomics and this progressive system also brings upgraded performance on a number of levels. Hasselblad is a world-leader with an unmatched and comprehensive range of lenses. Now that line has been extended with the new wide angle HCD 4.8/24 mm lens, which offers the same performance as the HCD 28 mm and is the equivalent of a 17 mm on 35 mm DSLR format. Additionally, our new Macro Converter provides excellent close-up performance with the HC 50, HCD 28 and HC 35 lenses - negating the need for additional macro lens purchase."
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Paul, can you answer the inevitable question as to whether the H5D will be "open" to third party backs?
The H5D as well as the previous models H4D, H3DII, H3D, H2D are integrated DSLR systems, the body and digital magazines are calibrated together to optimum performance.
Hasselblad does offer the H4x for Hasselblad film and digital magazines and third party backs.
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Perhaps it's just me, but I would like a built in variable ND filter through a lowering of iso?
Shaun
Shaun, Thank you for the feedback, I will pass this onto our product manager.
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The H5D as well as the previous models H4D, H3DII, H3D, H2D are integrated DSLR systems, the body and digital magazines are calibrated together to optimum performance.
Hasselblad does offer the H4x for Hasselblad film and digital magazines and third party backs.
Hi Paul,
Do you know whether the full trade-in benefit of the H4X that was available for the H4D will also be available for the H5D?
Thanks, Joris.
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Hi Pedro,
I would prefered a full black "panther" body...
I will forward your feedback to product management.
I liked the new battery. Anyone knows if its retro-compatible with the old H3D and H4D ? the total capacity incresed?
This is a new power supply specific to the H5D, Rechargeable Li-ion battery (7.2 VDC / 2900 mAh). This battery pack is not compatible with the H2D, H3D, H3DII and H4D cameras.
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This is a new power supply specific to the H5D, Rechargeable Li-ion battery (7.2 VDC / 2900 mAh). This battery pack is not compatible with the H2D, H3D, H3DII and H4D cameras.
It sounds good !!!
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Thanks Paul_Claesson_HasselbladUS for the answers.
And keep the great work at Hasselblad, simple one of the best tools in the world for making pictures !
Pedro
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Questions for Paul Claesson.
Is the True Focus II still based on one single focus point and does it detect just angle changes or does it now also detect
movement closer to and from the subject.
Second question. Is there a vertical grip?
Third question. While there is a waist level finder with slightly higher magnification than the prism finder it is hopeless for vertical shooting.
Most editorial work is shot vertical and focus and recompose is quite annoying when you are trying to concentrate on the subtleties of working with
the live subject. Nothing more annoying that a wiggling camera.. focus recompose again and again. The Prism just isn't high enough magnification for accurate focusing wide open if we consider the resolution of the sensors.
Hasselblad used to offer more view finder options, including the movable high magnification
waist level finder that let you move the loup around to better view the corners of concentrate on the expression of a model in a non close up.
I really don't understand this reversal especially considering the investment for the camera... users would be more likely to invest in accessories.
You said this info is passed on ... I know for a fact that a lot of people has been asking about 2 and 3 for years.
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Hi Pedro,
I will forward your feedback to product management.
This is a new power supply specific to the H5D, Rechargeable Li-ion battery (7.2 VDC / 2900 mAh). This battery pack is not compatible with the H2D, H3D, H3DII and H4D cameras.
Paul...
Are you telling us that you will never honour your promise to supply a clip-on battery for use with the H4D-60 digiback untethered on view cameras?
Note: Do not buy a Hasselblad until they can demonstrate that it will do everything they say it will (...¿Was it years until we were able to use the H4D-60 digiback on a view camera with flash?)
I am on my sixth Hasselblad ... forty years ago pros bought Hasselblad because it was a versatile professional system.
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You could not have said this better. But add to that shooting on location with the sun getting into your viewfinder with an ND filter for shallow depth of field and you have multinational hey fever.
It's sad that despite the massive investments required today both the top MFD vendors offer less than what was offered in the past when it comes to these really simple items.
Off center micro prisms:
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6162/6241737011_63a0cbf57e_o.jpg)
Full line of viewfinders:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7121/7600908744_becbe2c10f_b.jpg)
There was even one other one that I don't have a diagram for.
Great eyepiece with a large rear element making it less neccessary to be perfectly on axis and have way way better corner viewing.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7070/6842985176_306fd1f8f8_b.jpg)
Fred,
Can you tell me the name of the finder in the photo you posted? Does it fit the Hasselblad V? Is it still available? Could it be useful for using a V body with a PhaseOne back in portrait mode?
Thank you,
Carlo
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Carlo,
That one belongs to the Fuji GX680.
Cheers
Ulf
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...shooting on location with the sun getting into your viewfinder with an ND filter for shallow depth of field and you have multinational hey fever.
It's sad that despite the massive investments required today both the top MFD vendors offer less than what was offered in the past when it comes to these really simple items.
Off center micro prisms:
With the option of live view, you could argue that view-finders are less important, but even viewing on a lap top is is difficult to see in some condition, and a mask or hi-tech dark cloth would help... anyone use a dark cloth with their laptop?
When we had split image rangefinders, in a portrait of a lady, I would focus on the ears, so that the face was slightly soft and the hair was sharp... has any digital camera got the ability to focus three inches beyond the nose?
This could be a standard setting in the lady portrait profile?
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I can't stop thinking about buttons on the back of H5D....
Usability!!! It looks like nobody test it. Navigation button is near zoom buttons. The placement of the buttons in the middle is a bad idea.
This is not as ergonomic as H4D where the buttons are on the left. What's in my humble opinion it was more natural. Of course, if the screen is touch, it can make a difference. Anyway it looks strange.
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Fred,
Can you tell me the name of the finder in the photo you posted? Does it fit the Hasselblad V? Is it still available? Could it be useful for using a V body with a PhaseOne back in portrait mode?
Thank you,
Carlo
oops. Sorry I should have said these were for the Fuji 680. The Prism is the AE Anglefinder III. They fit the GX680 III. Best optics of any prism/angle finder. Anyone that looks through mine says it's like no other finder..... Sort of the IMax of viewfinders.
Hasselblad used to make quite a few finders, but now only offers low magnification prisms and the rigid waist level finder that only works for landscape orientation.
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Fred,
Is the True Focus II still based on one single focus point and does it detect just angle changes or does it now also detect
movement closer to and from the subject.
The H5D does provide a single focus point in the center (within the brackets) and the yaw rate sensor detects the angle of inclination once a photographer has locked in True Focus and then recomposes. It does not detect "movement closer to and from the subject" i believe this would be predictive focus. I will add this to the list that i will send to our product managers.
Second question. Is there a vertical grip?
Not that I am aware of.
Third question. While there is a waist level finder with slightly higher magnification than the prism finder it is hopeless for vertical shooting.
No there is no magnification lens for the waist level finder.
Most editorial work is shot vertical and focus and recompose is quite annoying when you are trying to concentrate on the subtleties of working with
the live subject. Nothing more annoying that a wiggling camera.. focus recompose again and again. The Prism just isn't high enough magnification for accurate focusing wide open if we consider the resolution of the sensors.
The nice thing about True Focus, you can lock in focus and recompose and then take your first capture, as long as you or your subject does not move, you can make as many captures as you like.
Hasselblad used to offer more view finder options, including the movable high magnification waist level finder that let you move the loup around to better view the corners of concentrate on the expression of a model in a non close up.
Absolutely true, the 500 series has been around since 1957 (55 years) and Hasselblad has produced numerous accessories, viewfinders included throughout the decades. The H systems at 10 years of age is quite young by Hasselblad standards :D. I do believe we offer an impression array of accessories and lenses for this system. We did offer the view magnifier for the PM/PME45 prisms, please remember this addition to the line was approx 40 years following the introduction of the 500C in 1957. I have already noted your request for a view magnifier for the HV/HVD prisms.
I really don't understand this reversal especially considering the investment for the camera... users would be more likely to invest in accessories.
We are adding additional accessories as time goes on, this year it includes the 24mm, Macro ring, previously the HTS, improvements in optical design for the 50mm HC II, 120mm II, etc.
You said this info is passed on ... I know for a fact that a lot of people has been asking about 2 and 3 for years.
Information that is provided directly to me, via e-mail or phone is sent to our product managers who maintain a master list of feature requests and suggestions. Please understand that we receive thousands of requests annually and it is not possible to implement all of them. THe 24mm, improved eyecup, weather sealing, Print-ready JPEG mode, plus many more are a direct results of feedback that we have received from our users.
I do hope I have answered your questions sufficiently.
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Thanks Paul_Claesson_HasselbladUS for the answers.
And keep the great work at Hasselblad, simple one of the best tools in the world for making pictures !
Pedro
Pedro, Thank you.
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I assume long exposure capability beyond 4 minutes is still not possible with the Hasselblad back.
Is the demand for such a feature that small?
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The H5D does provide a single focus point in the center (within the brackets) and the yaw rate sensor detects the angle of inclination once a photographer has locked in True Focus and then recomposes. It does not detect "movement closer to and from the subject" i believe this would be predictive focus. I will add this to the list that i will send to our product managers.
Hi paul.
Thanks for the reply.
Let me elaborate on the true focus issue.
The problem is that it detects yaw and corrects when the photographer recomposes. Actually quite nifty. However it is inevitable that the camera will also more slightly closer or further from the subject when the photographer recomposes. For true focus to be more effective it would need to detect this movement too and correct for it.
While hand held a photographer can try his best, but moving a heavy camera and lens from one angle to the other does more your stance enough to throw the focus when shooting wide open. The problem is still there with tripods do to the offset of the movements of the head. Shallow depth of field is touted as one of the benefits of MFD.
That said I think the best solution would be more focus sensors and with a few sufficiently off center for creative composition combined with that beautiful ultra shallow depth of field of the 100mm 2.2 Fujinon/Hasselblad.
While I love larger formats and use them with film I just find that due to the viewfinder/focus limitations of MFD that I get better results shooting wide open with 35mm DSLRs
either shooting autofocus or manual focus with live view. I shoot at many multi studio rental studios and often see photographers with some jerry rigged loup system to focus their MFD if they are shooting wide open. It's horrible to be shooting and have to make a first round of editing that is just trowing out shots that are not focus hits.
I photograph celebrities and hate going through images with them and having to say sorry that one isn't crisp!
Especially if they look at me like this ;)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5004/5325855779_6172300b2e_b.jpg)
Get this one in focus you shmuck...
Some may say that I just don't know how to focus... but I can get very close to 100% shooting wide open with the Fuji gx680 and it's special finders.
Now that said... manual focusing without live view on the D800 is really awful due to the low magnification and LCD superimposed over the screen.
On another note I have to say that Hasselblad Service in the US is as good as it gets. I had to have a repair made on an out of production 110 f2 Hasselblad lens.
Despite being an old item and requiring parts the turnaround for the repair was only a few days. The work was done to perfection and the price was very reasonable.
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Dick,
Are you telling us that you will never honour your promise to supply a clip-on battery for use with the H4D-60 digiback untethered on view cameras?
I was responding to Pedro's question regarding the new battery grip for the H5D, there was no mention of the battery adapter. I am not privy to all products and/or accessories that will be launched at the Press conference on September 18th.
I am on my sixth Hasselblad ... forty years ago pros bought Hasselblad because it was a versatile professional system.
That's wonderful and thank you for being a loyal supporter and user.
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Dick,
putting most of the electronics in the digiback, so you have all the functionality when you use it on a view-camera?
Can you please elaborate ... what functionality do you wish to see incorporated in the digital magazine?
automated DOF stacking, in camera or remote.
I've added this to the list.
remote powered zoom ...you expect full remote control in a competent versatile professional camera
Can you please elaborate? Would this be for the 50-110mm and/or 35-90mm? Did you want this functionality via Phocus or from a remote control puck?
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Fred,
What's the point of arguing about True Focus when you illustrate it with a shot that was probably shot at f/16 or smaller? And with a wide or normal lens even. How hard is that? I mean you could guess the distance and shoot what you had there. The finger isn't going to make a difference nor movement of your 'subject'. It's a nice image, but not even remotely pertinent to the thread. A pertinent image would be one that you shot personally with a H4 using true focus at f/2 that was or wasn't in focus. Film shots or pics of bikes aren't going to show anything.
Eric
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I assume long exposure capability beyond 4 minutes is still not possible with the Hasselblad back.
Is the demand for such a feature that small?
The 40mp has the capability for a 4 minute 16 second exposure with no additional black calibration required.
The long exposure limitation is not that due to lack of demand but to the image quality that Hasselblad expects to deliver to its customers.
Shutter speed range
H4D/H5D40: 256 sec. to 1/800 second
H4D/H5D50: 128 sec. to 1/800 second
H4D/H5D60: 32 sec. to 1/800 second
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Fred,
What's the point of arguing about True Focus when you illustrate it with a shot that was probably shot at f/16 or smaller?
Eric
I'm not arguing..... I think it depends on how one reads the posts...
Also the limitation I am pointing out is documented by Hasselblad:
As the camera can only detect rotational movement, care
must be taken when re-composing to make sure there are
no or very little, movement closer or further away from the
subject.
And from later in the article:
When the camera is tilted for composition, the point of maximum sharpness falls just behind the eyes. However, the DOF
is almost large enough to render the eye sharp making the
difference hard to see. A camera movement closer or further
away from the camera even as small as 1 cm will change the
result and True Focus might not fully correct the focus.
here is a link to the article:
http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/2234814/when%20true%20focus%20makes%20a%20difference.pdf (http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/2234814/when%20true%20focus%20makes%20a%20difference.pdf)
The Larry King photo....
That was a joke about going through photos and having to reject out of focus ones.... that was just the kind of expression I might get when I hit the delete button ;)
My point is that wide open nothing beats focusing without having to recompose, because you can focus right upto the instant you shoot.
Same is you have many focusing points and you can quickly choose the one you want.
Here is an example or two of shallow depth shots of mine
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5284/5314716019_6b17d03d2b_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7057/6978333439_7792624cfa_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5230/5862579358_ddacd064da_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7250/7025845503_04c98e7578_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/6879750742_4a80bb66ef_b.jpg)
I also do things like this.. both shot wide open but with or without tilt shift, notice how the background is equally out of focus in both.
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6168/6241351155_3ceef9d332_b.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6118/6241351131_aa6f1963ec_b.jpg)
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The 40mp has the capability for a 4 minute 16 second exposure with no additional black calibration required.
The long exposure limitation is not that due to lack of demand but to the image quality that Hasselblad expects to deliver to its customers.
Shutter speed range
H4D/H5D40: 256 sec. to 1/800 second
H4D/H5D50: 128 sec. to 1/800 second
H4D/H5D60: 32 sec. to 1/800 second
Thank you Paul.
I had contacted Hasselblad HQ in Europe and asked them if the H4D-40 could be used above 4 minutes by doing a black frame subtraction. Few days later their answer came and they told me that it would not be usable even with BFS and that 4 minutes is the limit.
If that is not so, I would like to hear about it or see samples.
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The H4D40 can do 256second exposures which is 4 minutes and 16 seconds exactly as Paul has stated. The Hasselblad does not need a black frame subtraction which means that after the 4min16 sec exposure the equipment is ready to take another exposure. You do not have to wait another 4min16seconds for the black frame subtraction.
I am pretty sure that most dealers in your neighbourhood would be willing to show you the long exposures by the H4D40.
I have seen images that were in the 8minute range with beta firmware and even though to my eyes they looked fine apparently the quality was not at the level HB felt comfortable with. I would be perfectly happy given the choice between more flexibility and lesser quality under circumstances but I can totally understand why HB doesn't want to do this given the way most people tend to react on every development coming from HB.
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First of all: FredBGG, that Larry King shot is awesome.
A Hasselblad camera is not a reward for having achieved a successful career. A Hasselblad camera is the tool with which you build your successful career to begin with.
There is never any time like the present to start building for the future. And if you think 35mm is good enough for this stage of your career, then you’d better hope that your clients are also willing to settle for “good enough”. The best clients, however, are almost never willing to settle for “good enough”. And why should they, when there are photographers out there who can provide the best? And providing the best is what Hasselblad and the new H5D are all about.
Allow me to make some edits:
Using a Hasselblad camera will make your manhood larger, cause women to mud wrestle for the privilege to service you, and allow you to actually crap wads of twenty dollar bills from your poopchute. And if you think you don't need that, just know that your wife and daughters will probably get impregnated by someone who does use a Hasselblad!
There, all better.
Common Hasselblad, you can hire better copywriters/PR folks than that. That BS on the website just reeks of lack of class.
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Erstwhile,
That was kind of funny in vulgar sort of way I guess.
But seriously what's up with all the neg on HB? Especially coming from so many that don't shoot with one, it seems strange. Let me guess all you guys with the Mamiya DF were really hoping for something special enough from HB to dump you POS DF body and switch brands? DSLR shooters not feeling secure with their tool?
Come on Phase has warmed over the DF for so long and still get the love and you guys are tearing up HB for what was already a pretty nice and advanced camera, and Photokina hasn't even started yet. Do you not think there will be something else?
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But seriously what's up with all the neg on HB? Especially coming from so many that don't shoot with one, it seems strange. Let me guess all you guys with the Mamiya DF were really hoping for something special enough from HB to dump you POS DF body and switch brands? DSLR shooters not feeling secure with their tool?
Edit:
I was about to answer this, but thinking about it ... it does not merit a reply.
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Eric,
You know, I think the criticim comes from frustration with all of the MFD options. The best still-in-production solution is likely the Rollei, but even that wonderful camera is compromised by poor availability. The DF just feels old, but the Phase/Leaf backs have the best support and arguably the best tethering and C1 workflow. The H is readily available, nice IQ, best VF of currently produced MF (The Rollei might be better or have better options, but no one has one or any accessories to check out), has best of class AF (again, the Rollei might be better), and True Focus does work reasonably well. Phocus is not great, just counter intuitive in many ways, but over all not a bad camera at all. The frustration comes from the fact that the DSLRs are so good now (yes, even the 1ds3/5d2) that shelling out the additional green for somewhat better IQ but an inferior camera is off-putting, to say the least. And by better IQ I mean 400 and below, with some exceptions such as the P65/IQ160/H4D-40, that can do an OK 800. So for the large premium for MFD over a DSLR, EVERYTHING, including the handling and usability, better be top notch.
This keys into the Italian motorcycle issue brought up by Fred: Buying a Ducati Monster 1100 EVO would be more fulfilling than buying an MFD solution instead of a D800/5D3. I have a Monster 796 and two Moto Guzzis, a V7 that I cafed out and a 72 V7 Sport. I'd much rather get radical at a track day than have a new MFD solution.
Personally, I don't thing I will buy a new back or MF camera, although the Rollei with an Aptus back is tempting. My RZ with an Aptus 75s is, to me, the best MF solution available. Cheap, great waist level, cheap, I own every lens except for the fisheye, cheap, shoots big 6x7 negs when I want it. The Fuji 680 looks nice, I passed on it in the film days because for anything where tilt and tripod was required, I shot 4x5 or 8x10, or used a 6x9 back. I feel the same way now.
All that being said, I think the H5D will be great. Its evolutionary and a world better than the H1s that all seemed to lock up on me back in 2004/2005.
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Tmark,
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. You are right in that each one of these platforms has something missing or not perfect, but at least for me, my frustration always is with the DSLR's. Maybe I'm the odd ball but I find that I expect the DSLR's to auto focus well and expose well and to be able to work faster. But at least my 5D2 doesn't consistently do this. The viewfinder isn't good enough to MF and selecting the AF point is okay but sometimes that slows things down plus the AF can pick up the background instead of the target. Relying on AF also changes my image style since I can't get the focus points over where I want to focus in my composition - or I have to back up and crop which means more work later. Actually most of the work had to be cropped since I'm not a fan of the 3::2 format. DSLR's have slow sync speeds like the DF body and more mirror shake issues. I did like my 1D bodies but the 5D2 frustrates me often.
I'm more comfortable working with the Rollei and Mamiya RZ. Interestingly, I can fit both my backs (aptus 12 and CF 528) on the rollei and the RZ plus a film back with Tmax too when I want. I like that flexibility. I'm not expecting miracles from the MF makers. I think the H body is actually pretty good. Agree the phocus software is harder (at least for me) to use than C1.
btw - I had a Ducati 900 s/s and an older Hawk GT. Loved them but was too good at destroying them with my risky street riding. Seemed to always ruin a good pair of shoes and wear another hole in my leather jacket too.
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I feel you on the 5d2 AF. I can MF it fairly well with a the EG-s screen. I have a 5D3, and it is worlds better. It really is more like a 1 series than a 5D series. I mainly use the D800e now, really like it. The VF is about the same, maybe brighter than the 5D series. AF on the D800 is good, not as good as the 5D3. I only have the Canon stuff for three lenses: 50 1.2, 85 1.2 and 135 2. I wish I could bolt them to a D800. I find myself using the D800e with the Blad 150 CF and 80 CF more than anything else. Low contrast wide open and sharp, like a Leica lens.
The only thing I don't like about the RZ with a digiback is the AE finder. Too dim, too heavy. Its amazing how well damped the mirror is.
The 900s/s was a great bike. I really like the desmo sound. I worked with a model who had a tattoo of a 900 desmo engine on her shoulder. Made me want to leave my wife.
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Really? Another Hasselblad evolution? They need to spend more time working on each generation than spitting out upgrades so fast that they don't really warrant. Most pros use the Phase backs (but with H bodies) as they are the best IMO. Phase works hard to work out the kinks (not always perfect) and seems to be on a 5 year cycle or so. It seems like every few months there's a new Hasselblad H4DI2000XYZ or something coming out. They probably already have the H6D started in production and that will be announced in January.
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Phase works hard to work out the kinks (not always perfect) and seems to be on a 5 year cycle or so.
Really? P40+/P65+ in 2008/2009, Leaf Aptus 12 in 2010, IQ180 in 2011, Credo 80 in 2012, sounds more like a yearly cycle to me...
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Quite a few entries about the negative statements at HB. Criticism is not bad! Some people criticize that these products have become even better. If someone is a fan of the brand, its products are treated like children. So it is no insult, you just need to listen, because it can be very helpful to be able to create better products.
That's my two cents
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Totally agree with the sentiment that Hasselblad seem to announce a new camera every other month. Canon have two cameras (1Ds Mklll & 5D Mk lll) that have stood the test of time. (How many H4 cameras were there? I lost count!) Canon then built a system around them. Hasselblad seem to be in the business of admitting they keep getting it wrong and have to 'improve'.
I use a H3Dll 39MS. It's an extraordinary camera(!) and, if I can ensure continued connectivity to a laptop, probably the only camera I'll ever need!
Which brings me to my main point (& one I've discussed elsewhere on this board) - forget eyecups, the issue is connectivity! If Apple give up FireWire (like almost all other PC manufacturers) shed loads of Hasselblad owners are screwed.
What Hasselblad got wrong in previous models is not future proofing connectivity. I connect my Canon 1Ds Mklll using USB. As far as I know, Phase uses USB.
'nuff said.
D.
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As far as I know, Phase uses USB.
D.
No USB support, just a USB socket.
The back had been shipping for over a year, was advertised as having USB 3... still not there.
Hi
Next release is very close but USB is not a part of this scope, primary feature set is much related to DF integration and language support. I can not go in to details as we have an official channel which will communicate exact feature of this release.
Kind Regards
Ulf Liljegren
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This was about 7 months after the IQ started shipping.
Still no USB support more than a year and 4 months later.
At this point some suspect major hardware/driver issue for the USB electronics.
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I don´t need that much in my H3DII 39MP, i have 5D Mark II and just 3 L´s lens 17-40 a 24-70 and a 70-200 f2.8 and for editorial and mags, never needed anything else and never any client ask for more resolution than 24MP in last 5 years.
But the 35mm for studio and product shots its not the great tool for me, because of the small iewfinder.
I have now a H3DII and just a 50-110mm with a extension tube, and i am blow way everytime i open the files in my 30" lcd screen!
For me the Hasselblad system just needed more clean files in the 200-800iso range, and good 3" lcd for zoom focus confirmation outdoor.
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Hi Pedro
I was advised that the 50-110 was too heavy for extension tubes, I presume you have no issues?
Shaun
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Hi Pedro
I was advised that the 50-110 was too heavy for extension tubes, I presume you have no issues?
Shaun
Hi Shaun
I presume that hasselblad make the extensions tubes mecanical compatible with all lens...there is tecnical pdf paper with all the H lens and the extensions tubes working distances, so i think that there is no problem...
Can´t you tell me if your advise came from a tecnical hasselblad voice?
Thanks
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Does it take film backs like the H4X?
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Hi Pedro
Yes it was a former rep. When going for my kit I was advised there would be too much strain on the neck.
Shaun
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Does it take film backs like the H4X?
The HxD series does not accept HM16-32 film magazines, this includes the H5D. There was one exception, the H3D (3rd generation) accepted film magazines.
The H1, H2, H2F, H4x all accept film magazines.
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Hi Shaun
I presume that hasselblad make the extensions tubes mecanical compatible with all lens...there is tecnical pdf paper with all the H lens and the extensions tubes working distances,....
The 50-110mm HC will work with all three extension tubes, 13, 26 and 52mm.
The datasheet is located below.
http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/5608/extension_tubes_metricv5.pdf
Lens booklet HC/HCD (http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/1799461/h%20system%20lenses_lens%20accessories%20booklet%20v4.pdf)
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The HxD series does not accept HM16-32 film magazines, this includes the H5D. There was one exception, the H3D (3rd generation) accepted film magazines.
The H1, H2, H2F, H4x all accept film magazines.
Why did Hasselblad drop film support?
All the camera has to do is tell the film to advance and read ISO and frame number. Not exactly rocket science...
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My thoughts exactly. Especially with the big resurgence of film shooters today (myself included). Had Hassy been more film friendly at the time I was buying, I'd have probably bought into the system instead of Contax. And I probably would have bought a digital back at some point as well. Hassy's internally closed system kept me out.
Why did Hasselblad drop film support?
All the camera has to do is tell the film to advance and read ISO and frame number. Not exactly rocket science...
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Thanks again Paul Claesson !
Your picture avatar suits you very well !!! the Hasselblad Tecnical Jedi Guru !!!
I made a picture dedication to you, to express my gratitude to your time here with great tips.
Thanks Hasselblad to have dedicated folks like Paul in this foruns for tecnical support tips, that is what made great brands!
Pedro
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To reinforce my earlier comments about The H4D launch and hasselblads BS wording...
From Hasselblad's H4D announcement:
A Hasselblad camera is not a reward for having achieved a successful career. A Hasselblad camera is the tool with which you build your successful career to begin with.
There is never any time like the present to start building for the future. And if you think 35mm is good enough for this stage of your career, then you’d better hope that your clients are also willing to settle for “good enough”. The best clients, however, are almost never willing to settle for “good enough”. And why should they, when there are photographers out there who can provide the best? And providing the best is what Hasselblad and the new H5D are all about.
Look at how the new D600 at $ 2,000 compared with the Hasselblad 50MP sensor.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8031/8004893732_d17667ed3f_o.jpg)
The D600 is better in all these characteristics
Bigger is not always better...
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I believe what my eyes see. MF quality is still outperform DSLR just not as flexible as small format.
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Yes, agreed, the DXO charts don't tell the same story as my test images side by side in the studio.
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So Fred are you dumping your D800 to get a $2000 D600?
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So Fred are you dumping your D800 to get a $2000 D600?
Nope. D800 is here to stay.
I am looking for a Schneider Symmar-S 480mm though. Need a back up one. For now I only have a second Copal 3 shutter.. just incase.
But let me know when you have a real time live view back that is 6x8. 20 to 30 mp would be fine ;)
I have several Fuji gx680 cameras waiting for one
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Hi Fred, sorry but before you look at any charts, you have to try a Hassy H3D 22 or 39MP...everything that the people say here about DMF i discovered...and its true !
In the beginning of this year i want to invest 6000$ in a new system ( i have been a canon profissional shooter for 10years) and i was divided ( Nikon d800 Vs DMF)
I had the luck of had a Hasselblad H3D 22MP for 2 mouths, and when i came from the 1º day and open the raw files in my 30"......i was just blow way !!! Its true, the DMF have a something special...the light, the DOF its diferent.
Here is one of the 1ºs pictures that a shoot in DMF and change forever my opinion about 35mm Vs Big Sensors, its a simple pic with no great composition or theme, but the way the Hassy capture de light in the body of the lady, and the DOF, IT WAS GAME CHANGER FOR ME...
AND I REALLY DON´T CARE OF NOT HAVING ISO ABOVE 200, LIVE VIEW, GOOD LCD, ETC !!! i return home with a tripod height back pains...with few images, BUT they are MAGIC ! and i forget any negatives points about the DMF vs 35mm....
And the H system lens !!! just whow...
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pedro, what was the lens on this image ? I see exif "max aperture f2.8 and 50mm"...
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It was a 50-110mm, with H3D 22MP on a Monopod.
Thanks
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ok thanks ! it's strange what my exif viewer tells that max aperture is f2.83 !!
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Fred is looking out for the kids. I totally agree. When I was based in New York shooting I often received questions about gear from 21 year olds. They were living tenement style in Bushwyck, drinking PBR and eating ramen noodles, barely paying their phone bills. They are all convinced they need a MFD solution to shoot unpaid fashion editorials, so they can make it big in above the line advertising campaigns. The big bucks big megapixel camara is, they tell me, the hall pass to success.
I call bullshit on that. I advise them that they can get their book together on a shoestring, partner with good people who are also building their book, buy the cheapest full frame 35 digital camera or better yet, buy an RZ and three lenses. Buy both for less than $2k, used. In NYC you can find $4 a roll 120 C41 processing and $15 an hour X1 scanner time. If you need a DMF rent it for $500 a day and charge back to the client. Spend the money on production, lighting. I'd rather shoot a D200 with good lighting and high production values than an H5D-60 wiith bad lighting, bad makeup, wrong location, etc.
This is not a knock on MFD. If you can afford it along with quality production, go for it. The files are really nice under certain conditions. This is the reality of this increasingly unprofitable business, in spite of Blad's ad copy about True Professionals Shoot MFD. Since I work in adverstising now, doing strategy, in fact, I can visualize the white board in the Brand Strategist's office. It goes soemthng like this:
Challenge: 35mm is good, or at least good enough for most purposes. Shrinking market. Reality: Tight economy produces insecurity. MFD can be very different in look. Message: MFD is PROFESSIONAL, gives a leg up on competition. MFD is super high quality. Hasselblad = artists camera, professional camera. MFD = higher profit because you will be better positioned to get above the line ad jobs. 35mm not only lets down your client, who will never hire you again, but is also a betrayal of yourself.
So if you are ust starting out, or even a few years into it, be wise with your cash. If you can't make it as a pro shooter with a 35mm solution, you won't have better luck with a MFD solution. It will be the same, just biger and with more shadow noise.
I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea, I'm not attacking MF. I just feel terrible for these kids who meet financial ruin in their quest to be commercial shooters. If you are a commercial shooter, choose what you want. You know your business, your style, etc. If you are a landscape guy and can afford it, rock on.
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The 40mp has the capability for a 4 minute 16 second exposure with no additional black calibration required.
The long exposure limitation is not that due to lack of demand but to the image quality that Hasselblad expects to deliver to its customers.
Shutter speed range
H4D/H5D40: 256 sec. to 1/800 second
H4D/H5D50: 128 sec. to 1/800 second
H4D/H5D60: 32 sec. to 1/800 second
The 4 min 16s exposure with no black calibration produces red and blue artifacts that are several pixels tall and a royal pain to remove. I don't even get this with my Fuji X100 shot at 15 minutes due to the subtractive dark slide. Much as I love my H system, I really wish Hasselblad would offer cleaner files at 4 min 16s. That's the image quality I expect as a customer. I shouldn't be coming to a point where I'm looking to move to a H4X and a P45+ back in order to get the files I want.
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If you need P45+ sample files for long exposure let me know. They are very high quality at far beyond 4 minutes. The dark frame subtraction is non-optional, but the results are fantastic.
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hard to believe ;)
using Phocus or adobe ?
Could you show us these files ?
Best regards,
DF
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The 4 min 16s exposure with no black calibration produces red and blue artifacts that are several pixels tall and a royal pain to remove. I don't even get this with my Fuji X100 shot at 15 minutes due to the subtractive dark slide. Much as I love my H system, I really wish Hasselblad would offer cleaner files at 4 min 16s. That's the image quality I expect as a customer. I shouldn't be coming to a point where I'm looking to move to a H4X and a P45+ back in order to get the files I want.
This goes against what I have seen.. See this thread:
http://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-format-systems-digital-backs/14851-h4d-40-%40100-iso-3-minutes-plus.html
Nick-T
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If you need P45+ sample files for long exposure let me know. They are very high quality at far beyond 4 minutes. The dark frame subtraction is non-optional, but the results are fantastic.
I'll have to take you up on that offer now - could you shoot a P45+ RAW from a 1 hour exposure at ISO50 to me? I'm this close to taking the plunge, though I am a little bit worried about how well 3rd party backs fit on the H2... someone suggested that if fitment was just a couple of microns 'off', I could kiss focus goodbye.