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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Frank Doorhof on June 29, 2012, 12:43:31 pm
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Just got my Credo 60 from Leaf.
Maybe some people are interested......
First impressions :
Raw files between 50-67MB in size.
Screen is megabright in the studio and I'm sure outside it performs great (this image was shot on brightness 20%, that's about 100% on the old back).
And I had to use a bright lamp to make sure that you could read Leaf.
Zooming in on a 60MP file is 2 seconds before it's sharp so that's really fast, dragging around in the file is very iPhone-ish, quick and nice.
Zooming and scrolling with the touch bars on the bottom and sides works flawless.
Battery is now inside which is a big plus, loads while camera is connected to the computer.
Outputs USB3 and Firewire 800 (USB3 not yet operational).
Live view.
Image quality as expected from Leaf, great.
Takes same batteries as grip, Canon BP alternative, higher current than the old batteries 2900 vs 2350.
I already have alternative BP's for the grip and they are cheap and run for a full day in the grip.
Very quick on the card and tethered shooting, really noticeable difference between the AptusII7 and Credo60 so ideal for my line of work, much quicker but still nice to get the model into her "groove".
No more crop lines, full frame.
Menu is clear and easy to navigate.
Con
At the moment, IIQ files are not yet supported by Adobe, will take a few days/weeks before the update is there, but it will be supported, Credo80 is already so the 60 and 40 will follow in the next release. So for now it's capture one.
Tomorrow first workshop with the new Leaf Credo60, can't wait to see what it can really do.
Review now online at http://www.frankdoorhof.com/site/2012/07/leaf-credo-first-impressions/
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Just got my Credo 60 from Leaf.
Takes same batteries as grip, Canon BP alternative, higher current than the old batteries 2900 vs 2350.
I already have alternative BP's for the grip and they are cheap and run for a full day in the grip.
Same battery as the Phase One Grip is a good thing.
You could also get yourself one of these chargers by Canon.
Dual charger with an external battery option. Lets you use even bigger batteries
and keep the batteries warm if you are shooting in a cold climate and shooting long exposures.
The dummy battery plate need a small modification so as to lock into the IQ and Credo backs.
The dummy battery plate is thinner on one end so you need to take a shell off an old battery and
attach it to the dummy battery plate.
The charger also comes with a belt clip.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7049/6989119965_ac5ec7cecf_c.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7068/6842996282_fb19cd3291_c.jpg)
Also works as an AC power supply.... but I think it's safer to keep expensive backs isolated from AC.
Here it is on a belt (linked from another post)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/3077692764_d8211d16ab_o.jpg)
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Couldn't resist, first images with the new Leaf Credo60
Including a full size crop, NO photoshop, straight of the camera, no sharpening etc. only changed the color temp so this is 100% untouched.
Tiff's weight in at a "nice" 363mb
Glad I just switched to a faster Mac :D
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Nice to hear about your personal experiences with the Leaf Credo, Frank. What CF cards are you using? The latest and fastest generation of Sandisk CF cards might improve the time to zoom in on images on the Credo....
ken
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Sandisk Extreme 16GB.
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Frank, I think Ken meant to ask how fast is the card? I'm using a 16GB 90MB/sec Extream Pro which should be fast enough to shorten you 2 sec by half or more.
Don
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Sorry 60 MB/s
It's pretty fast.
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Frank, you might want to get your hands on the faster 90MB/sec as it screams. I picked mine up when I upgraded to the P65+ and will shortly be using it on an IQ160. Ken uses the same card on his 180 and reports much faster viewing times. Then again he is shorter than me. :D
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B&H is calling you Frank! $75 gets you that Sandisk Extreme Pro 16GB and 90mbs for your new Credo! :)
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It's a shame for the shipping :(
but will check if it's cheaper if I order a few :D
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Just remembered that I used my Extream Pro last year when I demo'd a IQ180 and the response time was very fast.
Follow what Ken suggested - heck at $75 that's disrt cheap for this type of gear....
Don
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Indeed, for me the price doubles due to shipping and taxes.
I will order one from the local dealer.
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Almost feel like we're ganging up on you.
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Added some remarks to first post.
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Put my review online at http://www.frankdoorhof.com/site/2012/07/leaf-credo-first-impressions/
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A few images from Yesterday.
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It looks like the new tool fits in your hand like a glove. Congratualations! And, nice photos too.
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Thanks, and yes it's indeed a very good "fit". :D
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Congratulations, niec shots, making me wish to have this back for my RZII.
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Are these backs available in AFi (Hy6) mount?
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Graham,
I'm told they are not. And while the screen and GUI are nicer, I wouldn't want to give up the rotating sensor. Would you?
Eric
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Graham,
I'm told they are not. And while the screen and GUI are nicer, I wouldn't want to give up the rotating sensor. Would you?
Eric
True, that would be hard to give up )
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Are these backs available in AFi (Hy6) mount?
Not as of yet and I have no committed evidence of plans for AFi mount. However, there is nothing that can change the mind of a manufacturer like numbers. Maybe that petition from a few years back should resurface? Oh, I forgot, the majority of the petitioners probably were not owners or even would be owners.
Given that the AFi-II units had a rotating internal sensor while the original Aptus units did not, it could be possible that an AFi Credo could have a rotating sensor. However, it is pretty pointless to conject unless enough potential users raised their hands. I am looking for a show of hands....
Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
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I thought the internal battery would get in the way of a rotating sensor?
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I thought the internal battery would get in the way of a rotating sensor?
Forgot about that.
That's what I get for staying up too late writing ....
Yeah, the internal battery is an obstacle, and it would mean a more significant modification to the existing chassis, and for the small market that exists, probably not likely.
Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
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Yeah, the internal battery is an obstacle, and it would mean a more significant modification to the existing chassis, and for the small market that exists, probably not likely.
Steve,
The demand for a rotating sensor would not only come from Hy6 users, also from Hasselblad V users, correct?
Thanks, Joris.
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Steve,
The demand for a rotating sensor would not only come from Hy6 users, also from Hasselblad V users, correct?
Thanks, Joris.
Certainly, although I believe it is a different market. Meaning a different economic market. These days, Hasselblad V users tend to be down market economically from a Hy6/AFi user, in terms of their typical outlay for their equipment. Not absolutely, but on average.
Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
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Steve,
The demand for a rotating sensor would not only come from Hy6 users, also from Hasselblad V users, correct?
Thanks, Joris.
And tech and view camera users.
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And tech and view camera users.
Yes, and that could be either Hassy V mount or AFi/Hy6 as all the Tech Camera manufacturers offer adapters for both.
Steve Hendrix
Capture Integration
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I stopped by CI back at the end of May and met up with Steve and a representative from Mamiya so I could get my hands on the Leaf Credo 80, and compare it against the Aptus 12. My impressions are that everything about the Credo screams quality, speed, and accuracy. I had the same qualms about whether or not the lack of rotating sensor would be a make it or break it feature, or the tilting screen, but... at the end of the shooting session, I was pretty well convinced that I would not be happy with an Afi-II 12 knowing how much better a shooting experience there is with the Credo.
For starters - the tilting screen on the Afi-II 12 is more necessary than one may realize at first. The LCD display quality drops off dramatically if you are not viewing it straight on, and so being able to tilt the screen to be parallel to your viewing angle is actually pretty important. With the Credo, this simply is not the case. The LCD remains very bright and detailed from much more of an off angle than the previous generation screen, to such a degree that you no longer need a tilting mechanism to overcome the off-angle drop off in quality.
The rotating sensor, to me at least, is overshadowed by the sheer speed of the Credo. Previews pop up within 1 - 2 seconds after taking the shot, and you can buffer a lot more shots than you can with the older Afi. Also, zooming in to 1:1 is very much a night and day experience - much faster, much snappier on the Credo. I can definitely see how being able to rotate the orientation of the sensor, especially on the Hy6 body, can be useful, but it's not a deal breaker to me. I could just snap on a 90 degree prism and rotate the body while holding the grip handheld, or do the same while on a tripod. My preference would be for the much more responsive workflow of the Credo back by comparison.
Now - shooting detail, I have to say, was very hard to see much difference. I can't remember the exact results, but there was some slight difference in comparing the images coming out of both backs, but nothing that couldn't be corrected in C1. Fully corrected, images from both backs appeared stunning (to my eyes anyway, coming from a meager Afi-7).
So... I am pretty well sold on the Credo, to the degree that I would even consider switching systems if it meant that Leaf decide not to ever implement an Hy6 mount. For now I am in a "wait and see" mode, since I do still shoot majority film vs digital with my Hy6, and have already committed to Steve that I'm ready to upgrade from my Afi-7 to a Credo 80 if it becomes available for the Hy6. If there are others who are interested in buying / upgrading into a Credo back in an Hy6 mount, now is the time to make your voice heard!
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Decard,
What I'd really like is some kind of upgrade to my AFi-ii 12 that included the processing speed of the Credo and some of the features such as focus mask. I'm not sure I'd want to give up the rotating sensor. The ergonomics are too good now to mess with. No way would I think about changing platforms to get a Credo either.
E
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Decard,
What I'd really like is some kind of upgrade to my AFi-ii 12 that included the processing speed of the Credo and some of the features such as focus mask. I'm not sure I'd want to give up the rotating sensor. The ergonomics are too good now to mess with. No way would I think about changing platforms to get a Credo either.
E
+1
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I can definitely see how being able to rotate the orientation of the sensor, especially on the Hy6 body, can be useful, but it's not a deal breaker to me. I could just snap on a 90 degree prism and rotate the body while holding the grip handheld, or do the same while on a tripod.
I would potentially be interested in a Credo 40 in Hy6 mount but it would need to have a rotating sensor.
I just tried what Deckard said above and it felt very awkward...
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The new platform and chassis would be nice, but the rotating sensor and the tilt back (AFI II-7) are very useful. In shooting copy work, the flip up sensor screen is quite helpful, as sometimes the positions are very awkward. Wouldn't easily give those up.