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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: BJL on January 17, 2012, 08:52:30 pm
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Any comments on what this new branding signifies? Is Phase One branding being phased out in favor of Mamiya for camera bodies and lenses, Leaf for backs? It seems for example, that Capture One is now being branded as a Mamiya Leaf product.
Press release here: http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/news_pr_Jan_16_2012.asp
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When you hit the "products" tab on the link, it only shows the leaf backs no IQ series or P+, so I doubt Phase One has changed their branding.
However it might mean that Mamiya will no longer be selling the Leaf backs under the DM brand, like DM80 and instead just
using the Leaf name. Aptus II 12 etc.
Paul Caldwell
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It shows consolidation of power and resources, which is the whole point of all of these brands being essentially owned by the same people. Although, I suspect that nothing will change in terms of their branding....
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It might mean that Mamiya will no longer be selling the Leaf backs under the DM brand, like DM80 and instead just
using the Leaf name. Aptus II 12 etc.
Correct, no change to Phase One branding, see http://www.phaseone.com/ (http://www.phaseone.com/)
We now use Mamiya branded bodies&lenses and Leaf branded backs
Capture One is a Phase One product that is used with both Phase One camera systems and Mamiya Leaf camera systems
Yair
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We now use Mamiya branded bodies&lenses and Leaf branded backs
Capture One is a Phase One product that is used with both Phase One camera systems and Mamiya Leaf camera systems
Yair
And, it appears the RZ line has been discontinued. Comments?
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And, it appears the RZ line has been discontinued. Comments?
the 645 DF seems to be the only camera in production.
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As usual, the future of anything in the business of digital medium format remains a dark murky mystery.
Mamiya Leaf supporting Hasselblad. ??? Well, I hope nothing changes here.
Eduardo
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As per our contacts here in the United States the RZ is till currently available for sale, at least here in the United States.
Yair mentioned I think that it is not being offered in Europe.
Lance
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of course the RZ is still available. also in europe.
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And, it appears the RZ line has been discontinued. Comments?
Not at all,
Due to RoHS (http://www.rohs.eu/english/index.html) since July 2006 there are certain Mamiya items, including the RZ body, which cannot be imported as new into Europe. But it is available everywhere else
Yair
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Yair: What are the chances for a Leaf Aptus II 7 with a suffix "R"?
Tia
Eduardo
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John, the last time I looked at the mirror I saw something that remotely resembled a human but if you're into Sci-Fi then I'll take droid as a friendly compliment:-)
We're in the process of migrating the data from the old mamiya-usa site into a "legacy" section on the mamiyaleaf.com site
Cheeta Jr.
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Short and to the point. Finally! :)
Clear and consistent policy. Congratulations !!! Great news!!
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Not at all,
Due to RoHS (http://www.rohs.eu/english/index.html) since July 2006 there are certain Mamiya items, including the RZ body, which cannot be imported as new into Europe. But it is available everywhere else
Yair
Yair, thanks for the info. Do you know which of the "six banned substances" are used in the RZ body? And does Mamiya plan to alter their production to discontinue usage of this substance? Losing the entire EU market because of a choice of a particular plastic (or something) is surely not something that any camera manufacturer can afford.
Ray
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Yair, thanks for the info. Do you know which of the "six banned substances" are used in the RZ body? And does Mamiya plan to alter their production to discontinue usage of this substance? Losing the entire EU market because of a choice of a particular plastic (or something) is surely not something that any camera manufacturer can afford.
Ray, I seem to remember that the banned substance is lead, contained in the solder used in the RZ electrical circuits. Which is actually quite a ridiculous ban in this context.
John
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Ray, I seem to remember that the banned substance is lead, contained in the solder used in the RZ electrical circuits. Which is actually quite a ridiculous ban in this context.
John
It must be all those people who go around nibbling on circuit boards that they are trying to protect. ;)
Ray
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Yair: You may have missed my question. Here again.
tia
Eduardo
Yair: What are the chances for a Leaf Aptus II 7 with a suffix "R"?
Tia
Eduardo
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Yair: You may have missed my question. Here again.
tia
Eduardo
Yes I have, sorry....but the chances for that are zero as this feature is saved for the high end backs only
BR
Yair
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Oh god, this is such an imperfect world. :(
Thanks Yair
Eduardo
Yes I have, sorry....but the chances for that are zero as this feature is saved for the high end backs only
BR
Yair
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Thanks Yair,
it is nice to get an authoritative answer to my question.
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We're in the process of migrating the data from the old mamiya-usa site into a "legacy" section on the mamiyaleaf.com site
Legacy products on the new Mamiya Leaf website (http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/legacy.asp)
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Legacy products on the new Mamiya Leaf website (http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/legacy.asp)
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I really like it a way of thinking and fast action. Others can learn...
Hold the course 8)
Good luck
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Legacy products on the new Mamiya Leaf website (http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/legacy.asp)
http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/legacy_RB67.asp
well, the RB is listed.
according to mamiya the RB not in production since a long time.
so this does not give an answer if mamiyaphase still produces the RZ.
could be the RZ is old stock, because withot a 6x7 DB the camera does not make much sense.
nb, mamiya gmbh germany offered to import a brand new RZ pro 2 from japan for me.
according to them, it is conform to RoHS.
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AlDoori,
Indeed, there can be a long, long lag from when the last batch of a low volume, high end camera is produced and when supplies run out and it is officially discontinued. For example, Nikon announced the end of production of the F100 some years ago, but it is still available. My guess is that the Nikon F6 and Canon EOS-1V are in the same "undead" state, and several manual focus medium format bodies too. Also, a company might not make the final decision to not make a further run (and destroy the dies and tooling needed to do so) until the previous batch is sold out.
So maybe no RZ67 has been manufactured for years, but supplies still exist, and Mamiya has not yet made an official decision to never make any more.
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Correct, no change to Phase One branding, see http://www.phaseone.com/ (http://www.phaseone.com/)
We now use Mamiya branded bodies&lenses and Leaf branded backs
Capture One is a Phase One product that is used with both Phase One camera systems and Mamiya Leaf camera systems
Yair
Yair,
Appreciate some clarification; The branding now appear a tad confusing. Before it was simple because separate companies/branding; Phase One, Leaf and Mamiya were all Phase One companies, and Phase One cameras and lenses available for Leaf also... Phase One branded cameras and lenses cost more because said to be higher quality control... Is this right? Thus that Mamiya branded cameras and lenses will be of lesser quality control than those for Phase One system? Or any changes in quality control and pricing of the camera systems?
What about the "open system" policy? Is and will that be maintained, and will there be both Phase One and Leaf backs available for ALL camera systems CURRENT sold on market, thus not only Phase One and Mamiya but also Hasselblad V&H and Rolleiflex Hy6 ? Thus will e.g. also Phase One backs be made for Hy6 and upcoming Leaf backs be made for Hy6, since Hy6 is sold by DHW and as such is a current system?
Thanks.
Best regards,
Anders
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Mamiya and Phase One bodies and lenses come from the same manufacturing line and go through the same QA
Regarding open system phylosophy, Mamiya Leaf makes the Aptus-II backs in M, C, V & H mounts and AFi-II backs in AFi/ Hy6 mount (the latter only in 56MP and 80MP "flavours")
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Now that Phase owns Mamiya and Leaf, I am confused as to the advantages / disadvantages of the three brands of backs.
Besides the ability to get a rotatable sensor (which sounds like a great idea) , why would I buy a Leaf vs. a Phase One back
(or for that matter Mamiya)? Aren't they really all the same?
Second question: If you rotate the sensor from landscape to portrait (or vice versa), does the image in the view finder
change orientation? If not, it would seem it becomes difficult to compose and the need for an L-bracket remains. Perhaps
I am missing the entire point of the rotation-- I was trying to avoid an L-bracket and the effort of removing the camera
from the ballhead and reattaching in the new orientation.
THANKS
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Hi Craig, note the the rotating sensor is only available in the "R" (V-series mount) and in the AFi models
If your body is a 645 type then you cannot use a rotating sensor on it so you will have to use the L bracket. On the cameras mentioned above you will be using a focusing screen that has both vertical and horizontal markings on it, for composition and framing
Mamiya Leaf and Phase One backs utilise different electronic design and offer different user interface and functionality. So while some of the sensors we use are similar, the user experience and the results are not. Pricing structure is also different
Hope this helps
Yair
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Legacy products on the new Mamiya Leaf website (http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/legacy.asp)
It's great to see proper info being brought together. For many years, Mamiya never seemed to have a single, authoritative website. You'd find some stuff only on the Japanese or European/UK websites and other stuff only on the American website.
I'd love to see another section - "Historical/Discontinued Mamiya Products" - the whole Mamiya shebang down the decades, with user manuals etc. (this used be a feature of the old MAC Mamiya website - you could find the user manuals for every version of the M645, for example). At hasselblad.com, they proudly preserve and present their historical product information: Mamiya should be no different!
Re. the new site, I have a problem with this part, from the RZ Kits FAQ on the Legacy section:
Q: How is the RZ80, 33 or 22 camera body different than the RZ Pro and Pro-II?
A: The RZ kits feature a new RZ camera body with integrated electronics for direct, cable-free communication with the digital back. While previous models of the RZ67 camera can work with the Mamiya / Leaf digital back, these older models require a special adapter that involves external cabling systems. In short, the RZ digital kits are almost exactly like using a RZ67 film camera: simple and hassle-free.
- Why is this described as a "new RZ camera body" when it's just the old RZ Pro-IID that's been around for a few years? It's just adding confusion to allude to some unnamed, newer body design...and adding confusion surely defeats the purpose of a FAQ!
Ray
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Following popular demand we've recently added some user manuals for Mamiya legacy products to the documentation section (http://www.mamiyaleaf.com/documentation_legacy.asp)