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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Other Raw Converters => Apple Aperture Q&A => Topic started by: stevegoldenberg on September 24, 2011, 11:55:55 am
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What do you all think Apple is planning with Aperture? Do you think they will continue developing this application into the future? I get worried some times that they're going to drop it (and I really like Aperture so much better than Lightroom and other competitors). Just curious.
-Steve G
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i don't care. there are quite a lot good programs on the market, so you don't lose much, if apple decides on quitting. think of raw photo processor, raw developer or capture one. the demosaicing quality of aperture is not the best, that's for sure...
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People seem to worry this every time it's been 18 months since the last version was released, or so ;-)
Aperture was like the top grossing app on Apple's App Store for months, and it's still #18. It certainly seems like there's interest in the product: Enough to make decent revenue...
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There has been a very recent update to 3 so I doubt Apple will let this app die.
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I spoke with Apple in Ireland in November and a senior told me they are working on Aperture 4 and have every intention of keeping Aperture alive, they told me its extremely popular and used by 10s of thousands of Pros. :)
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Of course they'd say that.....
But I wouldn't believe whatever you think you were told. It's not a good career move for an Apple employee to speak about future product plans.
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We use aperture for all our photo processing (thousands of shots a month). I also MUCH prefer it to Lightroom, and nothing in the new LR4 Beta looks like it is going to change that. We find the ability to do non-destructive retouch with skin smoothing, clone and repair tools as well as RAW development turns Aperture into a one-stop shop.
If I had one feature request personally it would be to talk to Hasselblad and get the colour science from Phocus into Aperture. But that's a minor point. These days I look at images in both Phocus and Aperture, see which one gives me the result closest to the look I want, then choose that one as the basis for the rest of the processing. (Even the Phocus shots go through Aperture for retouching and export). It is almost like having the choice of two film stocks, in post :)
I'm actually at a bit of a loss what features I'd request from Aperture 4. More speed, obviously, always. Keeping up to date with latest camera RAW formats. Maybe negative clarity, although that's basically what skin smoothing does in a nicely targeted way.
I'm REALLY happy with Aperture, my absolute workhorse app so I just hope they keep it ticking along, I don't need any particularly grand new features.
Cheers, Hywel.
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Aperture 2 was released on the 2nd Tuesday in February -- Feb 12, 2008.
Aperture 3 was released on the 2nd Tuesday in February -- Feb 9, 2010.
Aperture 4: Feb 14, 2012?
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It's a shame no one (or 2) does a tutorial for Aperture like Michael & Jeff do for LR. I've stuck with Aperture riht from the beginning but am having second thoughts about #4 as it is difficult to appreciate the fine points of a programme without such a tutorial at such a reasonable price.
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I've been a LR user since the early public beta. Now working with LR 4 beta, it's awesome.
That said, I've used iPhoto forever on our family Mac for all the snap shots we take (90,000 plus over 10 years). I never liked the tools in iPhoto and the idea that any crops or edits create a new image file in iPhoto. So, 5 months ago, I purchased Aperture 3 to replace iPhoto.
I like the way it works, but still prefer LR for the lens corrections, graduated brushes, sharpening and printing capabilities. I hardly ever use Photoshop anymore.
I think that Apple should replace iPhoto with Aperture in the iLife suite since they work so similarly and Apertures tools are so much better.
All good stuff!
Cheers.
Bud James
http://www.budjamesphotography.com (http://www.budjamesphotography.com)
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A version that doesn't constantly crash would be nice.
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When I started getting interested in digital photography I used PaintShopPro. At that time it would do all I needed (I think...), but the problem was that there were very few learning materials compared with Photoshop, so I bit the (financial) bullet and switched. I find myself a bit in the same boat with Aperture. Probably it is very powerful, and with the addition of Nik plugins it has tremendous functionalities, but the user community seems to be small, and there is no contribution from Apple to that community, so I find myself drawn to LR.
In addition, I am puzzled and annoyed by the slow support for new RAW formats. I don't buy so many new cameras that this is more than a minor point, in practice, but it just makes me frustrated with the corporate "silent policy" from Apple.
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Apple do seem to have lost their enthusiasm for the software.
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A version that doesn't constantly crash would be nice.
A version of what that doesn't crash constantly? Aperture? If so, something's wrong with your system, and it's probably only remotely related to Aperture, if at all. With daily use, I haven't had an Aperture crash since 09, according to my logs.
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Apple do seem to have lost their enthusiasm for the software.
Based on what?
It was just updated in December. It's in the 25 Top Paid apps in the Mac App Store.
It is due for a v4 soon but the current moment is no different than the months leading up to Aperture v3 being released -> then many folks online were predicting its demise.
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It is due for a v4 soon but the current moment is no different than the months leading up to Aperture v3 being released -> then many folks online were predicting its demise
well I hope so. The current iteration is still quite unstable and laggy though.
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well I hope so. The current iteration is still quite unstable and laggy though.
Similar to Rob above, I don't find that in least and that's bouncing between three computers - a 5+ yr. old Mac Pro, a MacBook Pro, and an iMac.
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Weird. Don't know what's up with mine then. I have a 2010 Mac Pro 3.3 6 core 24GB of RAM SSD Raid. It should be OK.
Adjustments, such as curves, are generally rather laggy and tethered shooting continually crashes.
I've read a fair few other people having the same issues on the net.
I was running 3.1. I've just downloaded 3.2 update. Should that help?
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Weird. Don't know what's up with mine then. I have a 2010 Mac Pro 3.3 6 core 24GB of RAM SSD Raid. It should be OK.
Adjustments, such as curves, are generally rather laggy and tethered shooting continually crashes.
I've read a fair few other people having the same issues on the net.
I was running 3.1. I've just downloaded 3.2 update. Should that help?
Don't know.
I'm running Lion. My Mac Pro is actually ~5.5 yrs. old, 2 x 3 dual-core, 12 gb ram, etc. Aperture runs fine.
I tether to my laptop all the time and never had Aperture crash while tethered.
Anyway, really sounds like something else is up with your system.
In terms of Aperture you can rebuild the library and do that type of thing (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3805?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US).
You can also repair disk permissions on your Mac via the disk utility.
Could be possible that you have a bad ram chip. You can use a utility like Remember to test the ram (http://www.kelleycomputing.net/rember/).
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Very Strange.
There's nothing wrong with the machine. no need to rebuild the library as I only just got the software. The Mac Pro It smokes my very heavy workload and my P65+ tethers just fine with C1 v5, v6. No problems there.
I haven't had a chance yet to test out the 3.2 update. I hope that is the issue.
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Wow. The update has cured my woes. Running super efficiently now. Zero crashes.
All praise now.
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I was hoping for an announcement about Aperture 4 in todays 'new product' statement from Apple, but nothing. To me it looks like they have given up on Aperture. From now on I think I will be sticking to Lightroom.
Gerry
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It was an iPad/Apple TV announcement; it says nothing one way or the other about Aperture.
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It was an iPad/Apple TV announcement; it says nothing one way or the other about Aperture.
I know but it would be nice if Apple gave us some indication of Aperture's future. Adobe let us have a beta version of LR4 before issuing the full version. I have a camera (Nex 7) which isn't supported for Raw in Aperture and, although I don't want to switch to LR, I'm sorely tempted especially with the new pricing (which makes LR now very competitive).
Unfortunately, it's not Apple's way to let us know in advance so I see a trial of LR4 on my horizon so that I've at least got a decent Raw processor for my shiny new toy.
Regards
John
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I know but it would be nice if Apple gave us some indication of Aperture's future. Adobe let us have a beta version of LR4 before issuing the full version. I have a camera (Nex 7) which isn't supported for Raw in Aperture and, although I don't want to switch to LR, I'm sorely tempted especially with the new pricing (which makes LR now very competitive).
Unfortunately, it's not Apple's way to let us know in advance so I see a trial of LR4 on my horizon so that I've at least got a decent Raw processor for my shiny new toy.
Regards
John
Thinking about this a bit more, does anyone know whether, if I imported my Nex 7 Raws into Lightroom as DNGs, I could then export them as files that Aperture can read. In other words, can Aperture read DNG files that have been converted by LR. Or would I have to export them as horrendously huge Tiffs?
Thanks
John
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Aperture certainly reads DNGs OK, so I don't see why you should have any problems
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It depends on the original raw file from which the DNG was created. All is well if Core Image (or whatever they call it now) can read the original raw file. If not, I think it only offers a baseline DNG conversion.
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It depends on the original raw file from which the DNG was created. All is well if Core Image (or whatever they call it now) can read the original raw file. If not, I think it only offers a baseline DNG conversion.
Aperture certainly reads DNGs OK, so I don't see why you should have any problems
Thanks, I'll give it a try over the weekend.
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I've been an Aperture user for several years. I just picked up my NEX-7 and found the lack of support for the camera in Aperture. It's led me to downloading a trial copy of Capture One Pro to play with the RAW files. I'd been thinking of trying that package for a while anyway. I don't have any interest in moving to LR as Adobe and Apple are likely to play feature leapfrog for years to come with both packages getting most things right. I'm hoping that C1 might inject some new thinking for me in the PP process and workflow. I'll post an example or two in the critic section.
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I'm still waiting on Aperture to read Fuji X10 RAW files. It's now been months since the camera was released and months since Adobe began supporting it. LR4 supports it. Silence, as usual, from Apple. Disappointing and typical.
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Thanks, I'll give it a try over the weekend.
I took some RAWs on the Nex 7 on Sunday and converted them in Adobe DNG Converter. They loaded up just fine in Aperture and, surprisingly, showed details of the lens in the metadata, which didn't happen for the jpegs of the same shots.
So, slightly annoying that I have to do this but I'm only a happy amateur so not a big problem.
John
P.S Image Data Converter from Sony was so slow as to be unusable.
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I took some RAWs on the Nex 7 on Sunday and converted them in Adobe DNG Converter. They loaded up just fine in Aperture and, surprisingly, showed details of the lens in the metadata, which didn't happen for the jpegs of the same shots.
So, slightly annoying that I have to do this but I'm only a happy amateur so not a big problem.
John
P.S Image Data Converter from Sony was so slow as to be unusable.
Update - Aperture now supports Nex 7 from today. Have just downloaded the latest update.
john
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Apple has been MUCH quicker about supporting new cameras in Aperture and OS X lately.
Bob
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Hi John, how long have you been using Apple products?, since ai remember back in Summer 1984, since then, they have never said something about their future products or plans. Saddly but true.
Cheers,
Daniel