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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: JV on April 07, 2011, 08:01:07 am
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Does anybody have any experience with the Hasselblad HC 50mm-II lens?
Would there be any reason to buy this lens if you already own the 35mm and the 80mm?
Thanks, Joris.
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Would there be any reason to buy this lens if you already own the 35mm and the 80mm?
Well, there is quite a difference between 35 and 80mm. Sometimes, 35mm is just going to be too wide. I find the difference in field of view between the 80 and 60mm to be quite a lot, so the 50mm in your case would be a useful addition to the kit.
John
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Your system will be more complete ;-) Right now you have a big hole between 35 and 80.
This is a new version of HC 50. It's redesigned. Better performance in the corners of the image, better quality ...
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Hi JV there are some sample images here which might help:
http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php/topic,1445.msg8905.html#new (http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php/topic,1445.msg8905.html#new)
Nick-T
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any reason that one should get the older version instead of the new one?
except you can get a used one for better price of course
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any reason that one should get the older version instead of the new one?
except you can get a used one for better price of course
Yes, you will get it right now. If you order new one you could wait even 6 month ...
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sounds just like Hasselblad to me
I am one of those with the 35mm and 80mm who is looking to fill the gap
thinking about using a 1.7x with the 35mm instead (or just use the impressive CF 60mm), the 1.7x would also work with my 80mm to cover the disappointing HC 150mm, and my 210mm to cover the not very impressive 300mm...
is the HC 50mm version I another disappointment that they had to come up with the version II?
Yes, you will get it right now. If you order new one you could wait even 6 month ...
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Not sure why you would call the 300mm a disappointment? I have owned it and found it a very fine lens. I only sold it because 300mm is not used much by me. The 150 is not that bad either. All is of course depending on with what you are comparing it with.
The 50mm is a different story. The version I was definitely weaker than the zoom at 50 and even more so compared to the new 35-90. The weakest lens of the whole bunch is the 35mm. Now there is a lens that is in dire need of a version II.
If you need 50mm you have excellent versions in the 50-110mm which is sold pretty cheap these days by people that swap it for the new 35-90.
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Not sure why you would call the 300mm a disappointment? I have owned it and found it a very fine lens. I only sold it because 300mm is not used much by me. The 150 is not that bad either. All is of course depending on with what you are comparing it with.
The 50mm is a different story. The version I was definitely weaker than the zoom at 50 and even more so compared to the new 35-90. The weakest lens of the whole bunch is the 35mm. Now there is a lens that is in dire need of a version II.
If you need 50mm you have excellent versions in the 50-110mm which is sold pretty cheap these days by people that swap it for the new 35-90.
well I personally did not own the 300mm but have heard more bads than goods
the 150mm, its just not so great
the 210mm seems okay so far but I have only used it once
the 35mm is weak, but the 35-90 is a bit expensive...and there is no CF alternatives...
so far the only lens that I heard more positives than negatives is the 100mm
perhaps we should start another thread of the lenses...
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well I personally did not own the 300mm but have heard more bads than goods
The HC 300mm is an fine lens; if you've heard more "bads than goods" you heard it from people who don't know. The forum is useless for objective opinions on anything Hasselblad. Follow Nick's link about. Be guided accordingly.
Kind regards,
Derek Jecxz
http://www.jecxz.com
http://www.facebook.com/derek.jecxz.photographer
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The HC 300mm is an fine lens; if you've heard more "bads than goods" you heard it from people who don't know. The forum is useless for objective opinions on anything Hasselblad. Follow Nick's link about. Be guided accordingly.
Kind regards,
Derek Jecxz
http://www.jecxz.com
http://www.facebook.com/derek.jecxz.photographer
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I want to buy HC 50 Mark II in this week. Could you give me any dealer name around the world who have it on the stock ?
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I only commented on the 300mm lens remark. I'm not Hasselblad and I'm not your enemy.
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I want to buy HC 50 Mark II in this week. Could you give me any dealer name around the world who have it on the stock ?
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I only commented on the 300mm lens remark. I'm not Hasselblad and I'm not your enemy.
Look at topic ;-)
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I want to buy HC 50 Mark II in this week. Could you give me any dealer name around the world who have it on the stock ?
It is funny. Up until several months ago you were almost a Hasselblad fanboy. Defending everything up until the point it was almost ridiculous. Now you are the opposite? What happened and what made you sound like a disgruntled ex-customer?
Sure the HC50II will be hard to get. It has only been recently announced. Yes, Hasselblad made a big mistake with the 60MP announcement but besides that they certainly don't have the exclusivity on slow delivery. I have been waiting 8 months for my Nikon AF-S85/1.4. 6months for the 24/1.4. 6months before I could get my hands on a D200, I am waiting almost a year now on the 150cm indirect from Elinchrom, etc... I think everyone can name some things that have taken (or are taking) forever before they actually became available. Heck, there are even things that have been promised which never materialized. Where is the wireless promised by P1 years ago?
I gather you aren't even a Hasselblad customer anymore, why the nagging about a 50 that you probably will not be using in the first place? Unless you simply want to bitch, in that case I can give you some more ammo towards Hasselblad if you like?
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I was only commenting on one remark, don't vent against me, I never did anything bad to you!
Look at topic ;-)
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well I personally did not own the 300mm but have heard more bads than goods
the 150mm, its just not so great
the 210mm seems okay so far but I have only used it once
the 35mm is weak, but the 35-90 is a bit expensive...and there is no CF alternatives...
so far the only lens that I heard more positives than negatives is the 100mm
perhaps we should start another thread of the lenses...
I don't know what's wrong with the lenses you've tried, maybe the problem was not in the lenses at all, but in your techniques? I find all the H lenses I use to be of excellent quality, optical and build. I just wish they had the same AF speed as HCD 35-90.
Alex
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well I personally did not own the 300mm but have heard more bads than goods
the 150mm, its just not so great
the 210mm seems okay so far but I have only used it once
the 35mm is weak, but the 35-90 is a bit expensive...and there is no CF alternatives...
so far the only lens that I heard more positives than negatives is the 100mm
perhaps we should start another thread of the lenses...
The 300mm HC is a great all purpose lens, and in my oppinion: ALL HC lenses do outperform all CF(I-E) lenses simply because of the AF wich is really helpfull above 16Mp. On the other hand, for specific tasks, some MF lenses are more equal than other.... this was long ago on some animal farm and still is in photography ;) :D :D :D
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I was only commenting on one remark, don't vent against me, I never did anything bad to you!
I'm sorry, I did not want to offend you or anyone.
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It is funny. Up until several months ago you were almost a Hasselblad fanboy. Defending everything up until the point it was almost ridiculous. Now you are the opposite? What happened and what made you sound like a disgruntled ex-customer?
DesignFreak
Am I right in thinking that you used to be the Hasselblad dealer in Poland, but that business is no longer?
Nick-T
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DesignFreak
Am I right in thinking that you used to be the Hasselblad dealer in Poland, but that business is no longer?
Nick-T
You're wrong :-)
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Sorry Design Freak, my mistake. What is your background with hasselblad? I too was wondering about your change in attitude towards the company.
Cheers
Nick-T
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Does anybody have any experience with the Hasselblad HC 50mm-II lens?
Would there be any reason to buy this lens if you already own the 35mm and the 80mm?
Thanks, Joris.
What do you like to kmnow about it?
I have it, I have the 35, the 50-II- the 80( i used this 2 times) do like the 80? I don't know I want to sale it. I have the 50-110, 150,300. All, all, working great. But i can't say anything about the 80, like I said i used it 2 times..no even outside just inside the house. You want it, its all yours for 900. What do you own?
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It is funny. Up until several months ago you were almost a Hasselblad fanboy. Defending everything up until the point it was almost ridiculous. Now you are the opposite? What happened and what made you sound like a disgruntled ex-customer?
Sure the HC50II will be hard to get. It has only been recently announced. Yes, Hasselblad made a big mistake with the 60MP announcement but besides that they certainly don't have the exclusivity on slow delivery. I have been waiting 8 months for my Nikon AF-S85/1.4. 6months for the 24/1.4. 6months before I could get my hands on a D200, I am waiting almost a year now on the 150cm indirect from Elinchrom, etc... I think everyone can name some things that have taken (or are taking) forever before they actually became available. Heck, there are even things that have been promised which never materialized. Where is the wireless promised by P1 years ago?
I gather you aren't even a Hasselblad customer anymore, why the nagging about a 50 that you probably will not be using in the first place? Unless you simply want to bitch, in that case I can give you some more ammo towards Hasselblad if you like?
I am still a big fan of the brand. Unfortunately, the changes were to be, unfortunately, are in the wrong direction. Once the brand had a clear goal. Christian Poulsen had something. Vision and charisma. Unfortunately, now you can not see. The company focuses on marketing, rather than focus on the really important things. Please remember who has used this equipment before. It was a reliable equipment for professionals. Excellent service, excellent technical support. Now, until the sad look, Victor Hasselblad turning in his grave. When everybody is waiting for the new model, showing that the camera had a passion to combine two legends. And showing us painted red camera, it was really embarrassing. (Anybody want to race with Leica in this respect?) Someone probably has no idea of the brand. It is better to get someone to focus on really important issues, the client will not wait for 1.5 years at the camera and the lenses 6 months as now. I hope you read this the right person, Shriro Group management. Good luck.
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What do you like to kmnow about it?
I have it, I have the 35, the 50-II- the 80( i used this 2 times) do like the 80? I don't know I want to sale it. I have the 50-110, 150,300. All, all, working great. But i can't say anything about the 80, like I said i used it 2 times..no even outside just inside the house. You want it, its all yours for 900. What do you own?
Thanks for the reply and confirming that it is working great. Much appreciated!
Additional questions:
1) did you ever own the original 50? If so, is there a big improvement?
2) I wonder, and given that you own the 50-110 this is probably not for you, whether the 50-II has any additional value if you own the 35-90?
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What do you like to kmnow about it?
I have it, I have the 35, the 50-II- the 80( i used this 2 times) do like the 80? I don't know I want to sale it. I have the 50-110, 150,300. All, all, working great. But i can't say anything about the 80, like I said i used it 2 times..no even outside just inside the house. You want it, its all yours for 900. What do you own?
Still keen to sell your 80 for $900? :)
I've been looking at the 50 Mk II and somehow still can't bring myself to ponying up $4.5k for that piece of glass, especially when the 50-110 is going for around USD4.5k used these days. No 50 Mk IIs on the used market at the moment, and I'm worried about the corner performance issues and some people complain about reliability issues. I'm planning to shoot some landscapes so I don't want corner softness.
What makes it odd is that the 50 was made for film. Given the 1.3x crop factor of the digital Hasselblads, you'd think it would utilize the center bits of the 'old' lens and corner softness wouldn't be as bad.
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Yes, you will get it right now. If you order new one you could wait even 6 month ...
Sorry not true. In the UK these lenses are in stock from the Pro Centre. I have just bought one.
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The 300mm Hasselblad lens is outstanding for sharpness and reach. Also excellent with the 1.7 extender which equates to 510mm on a medium format camera. Also excellent with two 1.7 extenders attached for a total of 867mm on a medium format camera. Who else has this but Hasselblad?
I find it amazing when some participants on this forum criticize the Hasselblad lenses while I am winning contests with the amazing detail and resolution that the equipment provides
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The 300mm Hasselblad lens is outstanding for sharpness and reach. Also excellent with the 1.7 extender which equates to 510mm on a medium format camera. Also excellent with two 1.7 extenders attached for a total of 867mm on a medium format camera. Who else has this but Hasselblad?
Ummm...Mamiya/Phase One, and Pentax 645D, both exceed this. One (or two) 2x teleconverters on their 300mm lenses reach further than one (or two) 1.7x teleconverters on Hasselblad's 300mm.
Sure, the Mamiya and Pentax 2x converters are not autofocus, but neither is the 1.7x when used on on the Hasselblad 300mm lens (http://www.hasselblad.com/media/1799461/hc_lens_book_v2.pdf).
Furthermore, the Mamiya 645 has 500mm lenses (three: f4.5, f5.6, f8) and the Pentax 645 has a 600mm f5.6; these can all take teleconverters as well. Hasselblad H doesn't have anything longer than 300mm; not without the expense of the CF adapter, and then the aperture is only f8 for the 500mm CF lens and f5.6 for the 350mm CF.
Not trying to start a war; nothing against Hasselblad; delighted you are winning contests; but you did ask the question, and I had to answer it!
I've seen one reference to a Zeiss Tele-Tessar 1000mm f8 for Hasselblad V. Anyone know anything about it? Leaf shutter, or for the focal plane shutter bodies? I know the Rollei SL66 (focal-plane shutter) line offered it as well.
Ray
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I find it amazing when some participants on this forum criticize the Hasselblad lenses while I am winning contests with the amazing detail and resolution that the equipment provides
I have never seen a contest whose criteria for winning is resolving power and detail. Hell, I could blow away any Hasselblad with a 1.2MP camera on a compound microscope and motorized stages.
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I've seen one reference to a Zeiss Tele-Tessar 1000mm f8 for Hasselblad V. Anyone know anything about it? Leaf shutter, or for the focal plane shutter bodies? I know the Rollei SL66 (focal-plane shutter) line offered it as well.
There was a Zeiss Tele-Tessar PQ 1000mm/f8 which fits the Hy6 as well. No experience nor further knowledge about it though.
The version that fits the SL66 is on eBay right now:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rollei-1000mm-f8-Carl-Zeiss-Tele-Tessar-SL66-MINT-CASE-Can-use-5D-/170760631050#ht_500wt_922
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Thanks for the info. Since there was a PQ version, it must have been a leaf shutter lens on Hasselblad too.
Ray
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Ummm...Mamiya/Phase One, and Pentax 645D, both exceed this. One (or two) 2x teleconverters on their 300mm lenses reach further than one (or two) 1.7x teleconverters on Hasselblad's 300mm.
Sure, the Mamiya and Pentax 2x converters are not autofocus, but neither is the 1.7x when used on on the Hasselblad 300mm lens (http://www.hasselblad.com/media/1799461/hc_lens_book_v2.pdf).
Furthermore, the Mamiya 645 has 500mm lenses (three: f4.5, f5.6, f8) and the Pentax 645 has a 600mm f5.6; these can all take teleconverters as well. Hasselblad H doesn't have anything longer than 300mm; not without the expense of the CF adapter, and then the aperture is only f8 for the 500mm CF lens and f5.6 for the 350mm CF.
Not trying to start a war; nothing against Hasselblad; delighted you are winning contests; but you did ask the question, and I had to answer it!
I've seen one reference to a Zeiss Tele-Tessar 1000mm f8 for Hasselblad V. Anyone know anything about it? Leaf shutter, or for the focal plane shutter bodies? I know the Rollei SL66 (focal-plane shutter) line offered it as well.
Ray
I was merely responding to a post that criticized the 300mm Hasselblad lens. Anyone who has had the privilege of using this lens would be thrilled by the results.
Stanley
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I was merely responding to a post that criticized the 300mm Hasselblad lens.
I don't think that would be anyone's reading of your "Who else has this but Hasselblad?" triumphal flourish. The criticism (unfounded, it would appear) of the 300mm Hasselblad lens came from within the Hasselblad fold (donaldt) - it's not like you had to defend the Hasselblad brand from those nasty fanboys of other brands. You could have just said what a super performer the 300mm is, alone and with its various 1.7x combinations; but you needlessly and inaccurately threw that in as well.
Ray
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I took a slightly different route. I got the 35-90 and the 100 2.2, i think these are the one two lenses i will ever own for Hasselblad. Both have amazing quality and i've been very happy with the output. I shoot mostly portraits and use it for some weddings etc...