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Title: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 02, 2011, 05:12:41 am
Hi everyone
I have posted several images on my website shot with my new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens. They are of the new Dublin Airport Terminal 2. I haven't had a chance to shoot landscapes since October so these are I have.  :-[ Vignetting was removed with the digital central filter as there is no analogue centre filter supplied. Some of the images had huge movements. For example up 11 and left and right 15 for panoramics. The movements on the lens are pretty incredible when you consider the focal lengths. It has allowed me to take a type of shot that was previously impossible. Some noise may be evident with such movements but dfine from Nik Software does a good job of removing it. (sometimes not needed). There may be some softening along the edges but this can be compensated with extra sharpening along the corners with Nik software sharpener pro if necessary. (usually not needed)

There are too many to post onto Luminous Landscape Site. Here is the link to the 1st of the images.

http://www.endacavanagh.com/architecture/dublin_airport_terminal_2_daa_davis_langdon_pks_airport_dublin_ireland (http://www.endacavanagh.com/architecture/dublin_airport_terminal_2_daa_davis_langdon_pks_airport_dublin_ireland)

In total there are 12 consecutive images. If you click "view larger images" for any panoramic images you can see the image in a much larger size to get an idea of what it looks like. 750ppi images just don't show panoramics as the should.

Take care
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: mediumcool on March 02, 2011, 07:28:14 am
Some nice stuff—I really like the walkway for the sunlight and the blurred figures (… don’t need no stinkin’ releases!).

Which back?
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 02, 2011, 07:45:01 am
Now you're with me. I mean I don't like static figures in my shots anyway but at the same time I don't want to be running around an airport going up to strangers saying ah hello, you wouldn't sign that for me like a good lad.

I use a Hasselblad H3D 39 back on a Cambo wide DS. Waiting to see what they will bring out to compete against that lovely new Phase one.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: mediumcool on March 02, 2011, 08:33:01 am
… I don't want to be running around an airport going up to strangers saying ah hello, you wouldn't sign that for me like a good lad.

Ah, but it’s all in the accent—an Australian saying “Come on mate, sign this bloody form!” wouldn’t play as well.  :)
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: brandtb on March 02, 2011, 08:45:35 am
Great image!!
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Anders_HK on March 08, 2011, 10:10:22 pm
Enda,

Great images!

Since no CF is available, how many stops of fall off do you experience there is with this lens, and within what IC/shift?


Anyone knows what is the weight and size of this lens?


Thank you.

Regards
Anders
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: David Watson on March 09, 2011, 04:02:42 am
Enda

Beautifully conceived and executed. 

David
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 09, 2011, 07:01:22 am
I would say ball park about 3 or 4 stops is the worst case scenario with the greater movements. When I say greater I am talking about 17 left or right for example. Obviously the lesser the movement the lesser the light fall off. The digital centre filter than neutralizes the light fall off in photoshop. It pisses me off that you have to do it this way because
1  You have to take notes of every new lens movement and aperture. Not that, that's big a deal. I use notes on my iphone and email it to myself so I have a digital recored.
2  After processing the images in phocus and getting rid of the colour cast using the calibration shots you than have to
3  Use the plugin in Photoshop to get rid of the fall of.
4  If it's an architectural commission as opposed to a landscape shoot, I have to forward a lot of proofs to my client. I process the RAW files first as JPG fast previews. The images are processed practically instantly. I than have to use the plugin to remove the light fall off in photoshop. Many of my images as you saw are panoramics. I than have to do quick editing on the images to make them look more impressive when viewed at about 800 pixels. Once the client picks the images I than have to do the whole thing again using the high res TIF Files. You might think this is doubling the work but it takes about 20 seconds to process a tiff fill from phocus. I normally have minimum 3 exposures per image and many of my images are panoramics. All the editing in photoshop takes a lot more time with the large files from a medium format camera. Also because of things been so bad in the construction industry here in Ireland, clients are quite often severely restricted on the number of images thy may purchase, irrespective of the quality of the shots. They might only buy 6-10 images out of 25 - 30 views. They still want all the views.
5 with larger lens movements you sometimes have issues with noise. This can be removed using for example Nik Define for example, but it's still more time wasted.

Bottom line is my workflow is gone to hell with this lens, but I'm telling you now there is nothing else like it on the planet. The shots capable with it are just unlike anything else out there due to the movements possible with a lens of this focal length. Plus it's sharp as hell.

It's a love hate relationship but unquestionably it's the best purchase I have made since getting my medium format camera/view camera system
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: haefnerphoto on March 09, 2011, 07:18:58 am
Enda, Great work!!  How many days were you on the airport assignment?  Do you have any experience with the 32mm Rodenstock?  Jim
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Anders_HK on March 09, 2011, 07:28:09 am
Enda,

Many thanks for the explicit description!



Does anyone know if this is easier to deal with in Capture One??? Say if for landscapes one want to maintain 1-2 stops falloff for pano stitching but clean off color cast (say 2 frames with de-centered fall off and color cast)??? Thanks!

Regards
Anders
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 09, 2011, 07:31:02 am
I was at it 8 times!! 4 were wasted visits due to snagging and security access not been correctly sorted out by my client. To be honest the airport police seemed to have different protocols every time I went. I spent longer there than my brief but it's not often you get such a great commission and I was having a ball shooting it. :)

No I have never used the Rodenstocks. I have the Schneider 24, 35 and 47mm lenses
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 09, 2011, 07:38:27 am
To be honest I'm not sure. I haven't used Capture one in about 4 years. I would be very interested to hear from others when they have experience on this. These beautiful new Phase one backs could be even more tempting. I'm waiting patiently for the Hasselblad back to compete against them. I hope it won't just be the upcoming 200meg MS back. I have taken shots using the 35mm and 47mm schneiders without the analogue centre filter, where I used the equalize intensity tool in phocus and the results are fine until you go to the extreme movements. The image circle on the 28mm is way beyond either of these lenses so the equalize intensity tool results in significant noise. 
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: mediumcool on March 09, 2011, 08:06:29 am
This is serious envelope-pushing, but well done … We should all have such problems!
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: BernardLanguillier on March 09, 2011, 03:32:18 pm
Interesting. Does this rely in HDR techniques?

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 09, 2011, 03:38:23 pm
Ya I use HDR expose to give a more natural look. It doesn't have that awful over the top look that you see with tone mapping. it does a fantastic job at pulling detail out of the highlights and shadows without it looking unrealistic
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: haefnerphoto on March 09, 2011, 11:06:55 pm
Ya I use HDR expose to give a more natural look. It doesn't have that awful over the top look that you see with tone mapping. it does a fantastic job at pulling detail out of the highlights and shadows without it looking unrealistic

Enda, It looks a little over done to me but the subject matter and composition are so great it's not a distraction.  I often use Photomatix in the Exposure Fusion mode (H&S adjust) which gives me a look I describe as how we see things with our eyes (lots of detail).  Jim
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 10, 2011, 02:49:34 am
Enda, It looks a little over done to me but the subject matter and composition are so great it's not a distraction.  I often use Photomatix in the Exposure Fusion mode (H&S adjust) which gives me a look I describe as how we see things with our eyes (lots of detail).  Jim
That's funny because I too used to fuse the images in photomatix for quite some time to give a more natural feel as opposed to tone mapping. However HDR expose is much better way of retaining detail in the shadows and highlights. In my opinion it does it in a more realistic way than fusing the images in photomatix where you have a high tonal range but shadows suddenly are blackened out.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: haefnerphoto on March 10, 2011, 07:09:10 am
Enda, I'll download it today and check it out.  Jim
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 10, 2011, 07:21:25 am
Cool. You just need to get the controls right or you'll get a strange haloing along the edges of highlight areas. Good luck with it.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Lightbox on March 10, 2011, 04:30:37 pm
There seems to be a lot of haloing in certain images from the airport series, did you use halo reduction in HDR Expose? Also there is a bit of contrast mismatching, I haven't come across an HDR program that doesn't create this to some degree, see the attached image.

Love the results from the composition and lens in use though, great camera work.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 10, 2011, 04:48:28 pm
Ya it's one thing you need to be careful of with HDR expose. I do use the halo reduction set to high. I thought I had it pretty well controlled. :-[ On another job since than I have increased the local contrast radius to a higher setting and it has improved it greatly. Beforehand I found myself having to compensate in CS5 which was a bit of a pain.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Lightbox on March 10, 2011, 06:29:53 pm
Nice one, I've been a long time user of Photomatix, or my own techniques within Photoshop, although I haven't shot a HDR image in a while now. I installed a trial of HDR Expose and it seems to run pretty slow on my 2.6GHz MBP, seems to spend a lot of time "Updating History" and then "Storing History" leaving you sitting there twiddling thumbs for minutes.

Compared to Photomatix though you have a lot better control of sharpening and contrast and the results look more natural from the base starting point.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 10, 2011, 06:57:07 pm
Oh ya one other thing I forgot to say. It sucks the life out of your computer. I have quad core mac pro with 16gb ram and it's still a bit sluggish.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: BernardLanguillier on March 10, 2011, 07:01:24 pm
For those looking for really natural looking HDR, my personal experience is that PT gui Pro's enfuse algo works great.

Their alignement algos are also best in class, for those images where some misalignement happened at capture (tripod movement, hand held,...).

I understand that this kind of look might be the targeted result for such images though.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 11, 2011, 01:21:57 am
For those looking for really natural looking HDR, my personal experience is that PT gui Pro's enfuse algo works great.

Their alignement algos are also best in class, for those images where some misalignement happened at capture (tripod movement, hand held,...).

I understand that this kind of look might be the targeted result for such images though.

Cheers,
Bernard

Thanks Bernard
Misalignment isn't an issue for me but I'll definitely try it out. Always good to try something new. Away for the weekend but I'll give it a go when I come back

Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Harold Clark on March 11, 2011, 08:39:32 am
Excellent work Enda, the new 28mm looks like a real winner too. What method do you use for framing & focussing with the Cambo, groundglass, laptop, viewfinder etc? So far I am using Canon with TS lenses, but I am intrigued by the new tools available in MF digital for architectural photography.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 11, 2011, 08:57:24 am
would you believe it I usually use the rubbish viewfinder on the Cambo and than check the composition on the screen of the back. It takes a bit of tweaking as I always have pretty tight compositions. The view through the viewfinder is a bit of a guesstimate when you're going for greater movements. I do a lot of panoramics and I have a pretty good idea of what the stitched image will look like by just looking at the scene. Not very scientific but it works for me. It's a lot quicker than using a ground glass. I sometimes use the laptop but than of course there is the problem of lumping it around with your camera and tripod when you're shooting landscapes or working on larger architectural shoots where you are moving around a good bit. Of course with the laptop you know exactly what you are going to get, including sharpness etc.
My friend uses the Arca Swiss RM3D which has a vastly superior viewfinder. I am considering getting an adaptor made so I can connect such a viewfinder to a Cambo. I have already sat his viewfinder on my Cambo and although it is calibrated for another camera system I found it was much easier to judge the content of the scene than with the Cambo viewfinder, plus the glass itself is way superior. I found what you saw through the viewfinder was quite close to what the resulting image was. Looking into the Cambo viewfinder is like looking into a fishbowl!!
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Harold Clark on March 11, 2011, 10:33:57 am
I know what you mean about viewfinders, I have looked at the Cambo viewfinder and it was very distorted. For natural light architecturals I don't use an assistant, so the laptop would be very cumbersome to lug around.

I think a sliding back would be ideal, Arca RM3 for example. I used 4x5 for many years and got very used to ground glass viewing. The main reason I haven't gone MF so far is that my clients probably wouldn't appreciate the difference, or be willing to pay for the additional quality.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: archivue on March 27, 2011, 04:52:50 pm
i'm making more and more stitching to obtain a 36x72 "virtual sensor"...
the first day i've done it was with the Arca view finder... then i have switch to the rotaslide with a 36x72 mask... and i improve the composition by a wide margin ! but that's a personal taste !

By the way, how is the image on the ground glass compare to the 35 XL digitar ? brighter ?

and did you tried the 28 HR also ?
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on March 28, 2011, 08:21:51 am
I never used the ground glass so I can't say. For me it's too time consuming, especially when shooting architectural work where I'm working to a deadline. I'm just gotten used to shooting with the viewfinder. I plan to get the Cambo viewfinder at some stage for more accuracy and get an adaptor made to accommodate the different connections. You have to buy the viewfinder with the rm3d camera when buying it directly from Arca Swiss but you can buy it separately from 3rd parties.

I have actually never used the 28mm HR lens.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: archivue on April 04, 2011, 03:07:06 am
"For me it's too time consuming, especially when shooting architectural work where I'm working to a deadline."


i think exactly the opposite... with the rotaslide, i make shure that my framing is accurate, then i shoot... from my experience, that's quicker and my framings are better ! But that's a point of view...
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on April 04, 2011, 05:28:28 am
"For me it's too time consuming, especially when shooting architectural work where I'm working to a deadline."


i think exactly the opposite... with the rotaslide, i make shure that my framing is accurate, then i shoot... from my experience, that's quicker and my framings are better ! But that's a point of view...

That's why I said for me it's too time consuming. I can set it up quite quickly on the viewfinder. Every one to their own. It would be a boring world if everyone did it the same way. :)
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: archivue on April 05, 2011, 09:30:22 am
"Every one to their own. It would be a boring world if everyone did it the same way."

you mean 5D mark II and TSE lenses ?  ;-)
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on April 05, 2011, 09:33:19 am
"Every one to their own. It would be a boring world if everyone did it the same way."

you mean 5D mark II and TSE lenses ?  ;-)

I'm a firm believer in making my life as complicated as possible. Unfortunately using the 5d Mark II will not enable me to do that!! :D
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: archivue on April 05, 2011, 11:38:27 am
your iphone  wake up you in the morning time for a cup of Nespresso©...
in your Smart©, your GPS tells you where to go
you arrive just in time for your photo session with your Canon,
you stay in the car, you have a nice trans standard zoom...
...
...
...
a perfect life for a robot ;-)



Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: PaulSchneider on April 18, 2011, 04:48:20 pm
Hi Enda,

thank you so much for the descriptions. I'd be very glad if you could comment on these questions regarding the 28 XL:

1) Do you get color shifts when the lens isn't shifted on a full frame sensor?

2) Did you consider the 32 HR and if so, why did you go for the 28 XL? Would you say that those 4mm make a huge difference? I'm thinking about the 32 HR because it is another design that supposedly creates less color cast and because you can get an analog center filter for it.

3) When you stitch, what would is the maximum amount of shift one would be able to use before sharpness and light falloff correction makes the part of the image less useable? The condition being, that the edges really remain pin sharp? One reason to get lenses with large image circles is to be able to stitch and create even higher-res images; I'm now just wondering how many perfectly sharp and noise-free pixels I can gain by using this lens for interior panos?

Thank you very much for your comments!

Kind regards

Paul
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on April 19, 2011, 03:07:54 pm
Hi Paul
I do get colour shifts with the lens, irrespective of the lens movements. I also take my calibration shot with a white plastic card. They eliminates the colour cast later on in phocus using the scene calibration tool. I also need to take note of the lens movements (including when there is no shift) and this is removed using the digital centre filter plugin in CS4 (not yet available in CS5. Grrrrr >:()

I guess the extra 4mm available to me with the 28mm was important in my choice over the 32 HR. I already have the 35mm Schneider so the focal lengths are very similar. I shoot more and more panoramics and that extra 4mm with the huge movements on the 28mm just suit my style. On saying that I would have looked closer at the 32 HR if I hadn't already got the 35mm.

I have shot panoramics with huge movements on the lens. You have to do a bit of work at getting a final image you are happy with because of some noise caused by the light fall off (which must be removed digitally). This is more of an issue with the underexposed images (which are to be used for the sky of a landscape for example). I have shot panoramics with 19mm left and right with about 8mm vertical shift and I was happy with the end result. Considering it's a 28mm lens. That's pretty incredible. I would not be happy shooting with such movements on the 35mm.

If you look at the images I shot of Dublin Airport Terminal 2 all bar the 5th and 7th airport are stitched images using the 28mm. You just get this incredible range of options with the lens. I find the 23mm Rodestock focal length is a bit too wide angle for me personally (before some people say it is not I did say personally :P) and the lens movements on the 23mm are less than the 28mm anyway.

I can easily say it's my favorite lens. It's not the perfect lens but it is pin sharp and has incredible movements. This for me is almost worth the pain in the ass caused by the digital centre filter  :D

I hope that's of help to you.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Shinichi Sato on May 04, 2011, 11:04:41 am
Hi Enda,

This is my first post on the luminous-landscape.
I am now considering a "belated shift" to the MF digital (now I still use 35mmDSLR) and while researching about the Super-Digitar 28 XL, I found your review.
When I saw your website, I really love your pictures especially the atmosphere.
I am just wondering if you can let me know about a distortion of the lens.
I saw the pictures of the Dublin airport, but the terminal building is very curved shape so I couldn't prove the distortion of the lens. I would like to know your personal impression about the distortion, but a technical information from Schneider.

Thanks and Best,

Shinichi
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on May 17, 2011, 05:36:44 am
Hi Shinichi
Apologies for the late reply. Things can look a bit stretched. You're right about the airport, everything is curved anyway so it's not easy to judge. The lens has some distortion when you use greater movements. This is pretty unavoidable I guess when you consider the focal length and the movements possible. It takes a bit of getting used to know what will and won't work.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Shinichi Sato on May 21, 2011, 09:24:32 pm
Hi Enda,

Thank you very much for your reply and sorry for my late reply as well.
Your impression as an architecture photographer has been real help for me. The sensor size has been getting bigger so I consider the 28mm has larger image circle. You mean that you don't feel the distortion very much when you use small movements, right? Do you use any plug-in to correct the distortion of the lens?
We sometimes value whether it's worthy to buy, then your opinion for the lens is "it's worthy to buy" isn't it?!

Anyway, I have to consider the focal length corresponding to the sensor size, the size puzzled me :-[. From my experience, the angle of field of 28mm for 37x49 is preferable for me. The new IQ backs is so fascinated for me as you mentioned, but the series only have 33x44 and 40x54. Come on Hasselblad!
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on May 22, 2011, 07:00:45 pm
Hi Shinichi
The distortion, where things can look stretched is caused by extreme movements  on a very wide angle lens. There is no software to get rid of that. I use the remove cast tool in phocus to get rid of the colour cast you get with a wide angle lens on a view camera and the digital centre filter to eliminate vignetting.

Ya the newest medium format cameras will lean towards the larger sensor size to accommodate the pixels and as you say this will affect the angle of view.
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Shinichi Sato on May 24, 2011, 06:24:15 am
Hi Enda,

I'm relieved to hear your answer that you didn't mention "barrel" or "pincushion" distortion.
The distortion I mean is the type of distortion. I would assume what you didn't use the words means what you don't feel the type of distortion. I am using 35mm DSLR system yet and my Nikon wide angle lenses have obvious barrel distortion so I always use the plugin PTlens to get rid of the horrible barrel distortion.
http://epaperpress.com/ptlens/
Enda, I'm going to MFdigital, thanks,

Shinichi
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on May 24, 2011, 06:06:08 pm
Sorry Shinichi. I misunderstood you. There is no need to make any corrections with this lens. I haven't done any such corrections on any of the images. If you look at image 12 of 36 on the 1st page of architectural images you will see an scene that would really test the lens in terms of barrel distortion. The top of the sign is very close to the edge of the image for example and all the lines are completely straight.
Hope that helps
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Shinichi Sato on May 26, 2011, 10:39:39 am
Hi Enda,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. The image you show me is really convincing.
Anyway, I like the tone of your pictures, the Schneider lens is also fabulous though.

Shinichi
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on July 14, 2011, 09:22:52 pm
Hi Paul. 
I don't know why but I browsed back over the post and realized you asked what was the Color shift on "full frame sensors" when using the 28mm. I use the lens with a h3d 39. Since the post and with the release of the new full frame sensor Phase one and Leaf Backs a whole can of worms has been opened where the 28mm is pretty much unusable due to appalling color casts on full frame sensor cameras. I'm completely gutted by this. The reason I bought this lens was the focal length/movement combination combined with minimal distortion on a pin sharp lens that is significantly cheaper and lighter than the Rodenstock alternative which could be used on future upgrades. What really pisses me off is there is a Schneider  stated quite clearly that the lens was designed around the new full frame sensors. Such a claim has turned out to be absolute horseshite.

I'm torn between sticking with the cropped sensor/28mm combination which gets a lovely result as i like going a bit crazy with the movements or upgrading to the 180iq and the 32hr. The last thing I need is to spend a fortune on a hasselblad to Phase one "upgrade" and than spend a bloody fortune on a Rodenstock lens which I think will deliver results which do not stand up to the type of shot achievable with the 28mm on a cropped camera.

The other side of the coin is that the features on the IQ180 are so mind boggingly amazing, which would make my life so much easier but would I get a better image and when I say image I'm talking about the image not the bloody resolution or dynamic range.

All I know is Schneider better come up with a solution quickly or their future doesn't look very bright
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: harshdreams on October 23, 2011, 02:41:52 pm
Hi Enda,
Curious to know whether you still use the 28xl on cropped sensor or have you moved on? Thanks, Harshan
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on October 23, 2011, 03:16:11 pm
Hi Harshan
I'm still using the 28mm on the H3D 39. I haven't moved on. I know there are so many advantages with the new Phase one IQ Backs. However the unworkable color casts you get with the IQ180 or IQ160 when used with the Schneider lenses with the type of lens movements that is the deciding factor in not changing yet. I was considering the IQ140 where I believe the color cast isn't an issue but than the 1.3 crop factor defeats the purpose of having the 28mm.

The bottom line is cameras with the 49 x 37mm sensors are the only ones that can deliver on the type of images I want to take. I'm waiting with baited breath if Hasselblad will bring a camera worth upgrading too, at least one with the same sensor size but some new technologies worth investing in. A 200 megapixel multi shot camera is definitly not the ansewer either!! At least not with the irish bloody wind ;D
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: harshdreams on October 23, 2011, 09:46:06 pm
Thank you Enda for the promot and clear response.
I shoot architecture and have been contemplating a move on to MF for a while now, currently with the 5dm2 and the new series of canon tse lenses. It took me a while to move from LF to the dslr mode, like someone mentioned earlier it's the budgets these days that clients are working with that do not really justify such an investment. On the other hand I have realised there are chaps renting out these backs and all I need to get are these lenses, I have a walker Titan xl and mike now has a digital facility to add a silvestri back. Any other model of camera backs will work with these lenses??

Regards,

Harshan
www.harshanthomson.com
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: archivue on October 25, 2011, 07:10:38 pm
"The bottom line is cameras with the 49 x 37mm sensors are the only ones that can deliver on the type of images I want to take. "

you can also shoot a full frame mfdb with the 32 rod... same perspective as your 28 on 36x48 sensor...
Title: Re: Images shot with new Schneider Super-Digitar 28 XL Lens
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on October 25, 2011, 08:12:29 pm
Yes but the movements will be substantially less on the larger sensors. I have used up to 20mm movement on the 28mm. And there is the small isue of cost  ;D My poor little pockets aren't deep enough to invest in an entirely new camera system and a new set of lenses.