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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: neile on December 14, 2010, 09:41:51 pm
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My ipf8300 arrived last week, and I read with interest the threads from Josh and others about moving the beast to a second floor. In my case the second floor involved a twisty set of stairs, and I *really* like my neighbours so I didn't want to hassle them and risk crushing them under this monster.
I thought about it for a bit and then inspiriation struck. I called a piano moving company. The printer is now in my studio! Here are a few photos of how it went:
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0405.jpg)
The printer was attached to a 7ft "piano board", which neatly fit between the slots for the printer stand. They wrapped both ends with moving blankets, and the bottom that we stood the printer up on had extra padding inside too.
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0407.jpg)
Standing the printer up to get the pallet out from under it.
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0409.jpg)
Final adjustments to the many straps holding it onto the piano board and rolling dolly (which was used to get it to the front steps).
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0418.jpg)
Up the stairs. This was the "easy" part, as they'd already cleared the curved steps at the base of the staircase. The hand rail was removed from the wall to make more room. They basically had one guy pulling it up one step at a time via a strap, and the other two below pushing and steadying it.
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0420.jpg)
In the upstairs hall, headed to the print studio. At this point it's basically smooth sailing. We tipped it down onto its belly again, undid all the straps and removed the piano board, and then stood it back up on a moving blanket to drag it into the studio.
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0422.jpg)
Pulling it the last little bit to get it in the studio.
Anyway, it was an adventure. Total cost was $300 ($250 + $50 tip). I am glad I paid them to do it!
Neil
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Nice work Neil and a great idea on the piano mover!
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You better plan on keeping it for a while, Neil. The cost to have them remove it will be about what you'd get selling it 2nd hand, given Canon's penchant for selling 'em at such low prices.
I'm sure you'll love it. Don't hesitate to call me if you have any questions on it, although it shouldn't be much different than your 5100.
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You better plan on keeping it for a while, Neil. The cost to have them remove it will be about what you'd get selling it 2nd hand, given Canon's penchant for selling 'em at such low prices.
I told the movers that they wouldn't have to come back to move it down. I would just take a Sawzall to it and carry it out in pieces. By the time we move it'll be worth $0 :)
Neil
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I just sold my 8100 for $750 (needs heads) and it had the equivalent of 12 full 330 ml cartridges. Sigh.
I told the movers that they wouldn't have to come back to move it down. I would just take a Sawzall to it and carry it out in pieces. By the time we move it'll be worth $0 :)
Neil
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Neile,
Thanks for sharing the fun with your new Canon 8300. It brought back fond memories of my partner, Chris Foley, and me having to nudge Iris 3047s up to our third floor studio. :D
(http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/images/1999_0816_MX2700-11(rw).jpg)
cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com
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Nice. Looks like Rapunzel or something, lowering hair to hoist it up :)
Neil
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Whoa!! That's awesome, Mark! :)
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Is yours set up yet, Brad??? And where are you sitting during OOTBW? I should stop by and say hi :)
Neil
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Yes, mine is set up. Fortunately I'm on the first floor. We had a dinner party at my place with a dozen or so people, so I grabbed a few of the guys and we moved the printer from the garage to the studio.
I've found out of the box color to be terrible. I'm still amazed that either the printer profiles are that bad, or that there is this much variation in the units. So the sample roll is pretty useless, as soon as I've made my profile, I'll probably have run out of paper! :)
I'll probably try some 44" canvas and look for a 3rd party profile for it, ready made. If the color is still wrong, then I'll have to make my own, but that has never been a process I've enjoyed or be particularly successful at. Let me know if you (or anyone else) has suggestions for a canvas for this printer I should try.
Absolutely--please do! You'll find me with Storytelling - 3179 if memory serves. *correction*: 3845.
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I get good results using Breathing Color Chromata White canvas. I tried their newer Lyve but it had too much reverse curl.
Let me know if you (or anyone else) has suggestions for a canvas for this printer I should try.
Absolutely--please do! You'll find me with Storytelling - 3179 if memory serves.
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I've got a roll of the Lyve sitting on the floor waiting to go into the beast. I've used it on the 5100 with success so I figured I'd give it a try on this one. Sure hope I don't have reverse curl issues :-\
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Mine was their 17" test roll and truthfully, I don't remember if the curl became a problem only after coating it with Glamour II Matte. No problems either way with the Chromata White.
I've got a roll of the Lyve sitting on the floor waiting to go into the beast. I've used it on the 5100 with success so I figured I'd give it a try on this one. Sure hope I don't have reverse curl issues :-\
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I'll give Chromata White a try--I've heard very good things about it. Thanks!
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Neil,
I remember when we purchased our Epson 11880, and our studio is on 10th floor. And we couldn't take it in the elevator ;D
So we also called the piano movers, told the weight of 384 lb and they said -No problem, we're used to grand pianos.
After 20 min in the stairs, oh yea they where exhausted :P
/Sven
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I've found out of the box color to be terrible. I'm still amazed that either the printer profiles are that bad, or that there is this much variation in the units. So the sample roll is pretty useless, as soon as I've made my profile, I'll probably have run out of paper! :)
Make sure you run the calibration/linearization, you can use the sample roll. IIRC, it is not done automatically during the installation process and is necessary to get good results. I don't use any Canon media so cannot tell how good are the Canon's profiles.
I'll probably try some 44" canvas and look for a 3rd party profile for it, ready made. If the color is still wrong, then I'll have to make my own, but that has never been a process I've enjoyed or be particularly successful at. Let me know if you (or anyone else) has suggestions for a canvas for this printer I should try.
I am using BC Lyve on it. It has slightly smaller gamut compared to my 7900, but OTOH better Dmax, same applies to matte papers in general. Didn't notice any problem with reverse curl.
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Mark
Is that a Picture Of the studio in Old Town ( alexandria) wow when I was there I often thought : How did they do it"
Found Memories..By The way I Havent talked with your old Pal the last I heard he was in North Carolina.. retired.. Good for him..
Cheers and Thanks for sharing :)
Jim Doyle
www.shadesofpaper.com
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I am using BC Lyve on it. It has slightly smaller gamut compared to my 7900, but OTOH better Dmax, same applies to matte papers in general. Didn't notice any problem with reverse curl.
That encouraging. I have an 8300 on order, and I was hoping for a bit more Dmax than my 3800.
Terry.
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Hi, Mulis,
I'd assumed I hadn't run that--so I gave it a shot (I found Calibrate under Set/Adjust Menu | Adjust). The patterns that printed look familiar, so I do believe I've run that before. Is that also the linearizing step you referred to?
Thx,
-Brad
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I'd assumed I hadn't run that--so I gave it a shot (I found Calibrate under Set/Adjust Menu | Adjust). The patterns that printed look familiar, so I do believe I've run that before. Is that also the linearizing step you referred to?
Yes, that's it. It prints and measures 12 strips, one for every ink channel.
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Piano movers, now that's brilliant! Pyramid builders would also be a good choice.
Would appreciate if somebody could measure the size of the packaged printer on its palette. Will order one next week and want to know if I can pick it up at the depot with my little Toyota Tacoma pickup, or if I will have to rent a bigger truck. We're in a difficult location, the guys to normally do the depot-to-recipient deliveries have us blacklisted.
Also, does the packing depend on the palette to brace the overall package, or can I reasonably slide the boxes off the palette and into my truck at the depot. Got into trouble this way when bringing in the 9880, shoulda left the palette on.
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Also, does the packing depend on the palette to brace the overall package, or can I reasonably slide the boxes off the palette and into my truck at the depot. Got into trouble this way when bringing in the 9880, shoulda left the palette on.
You need the Palette if you are going to move it by truck - the palette gives the whole box and structure its rigidity.
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Will order one next week and want to know if I can pick it up at the depot with my little Toyota Tacoma pickup, or if I will have to rent a bigger truck. We're in a difficult location, the guys to normally do the depot-to-recipient deliveries have us blacklisted.
Also, does the packing depend on the palette to brace the overall package, or can I reasonably slide the boxes off the palette and into my truck at the depot. Got into trouble this way when bringing in the 9880, shoulda left the palette on.
I moved my iPF8100 (similar size,weight, and crating as the 8300) up a long driveway to my house in my Ford Ranger which is probably no bigger than your Tacoma. This involved a transfer from the delivery truck that was too big to easily make the turn into my driveway. The delivery guy had a hand operated forklift and a lift gate on his truck. We backed the Ranger up to the lift gate. The wheel wells took up too much space in the Ranger's bed to put the Canon box right on the bed floor, but I positioned two 2x6 planks in the bed at the two locations designed for this purpose (like most pick up beds). The Canon crate was moved onto the planks with the hand lift. I don't remember whether I could close the tail gate after positioning or not, but the Ranger handled the load just fine. I'm not 100% sure I would have felt comfortable moving the printer a long distance in the Ranger, but with some good packing straps to secure it down as it rested on the planks in the bed, I think it would probably be safe. Anyway, I just let it rest on the planks with no further consideration when driving it about a hundred yards to my door. Then, with three other guys, we opened the crate and brought in the various pieces right off the skid rather than trying to lift the whole crate out of the truck. Bottom line: Doable, but you may feel more comfortable using a bigger truck.
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Bill,
I still have the remnants in the garage--I think it's just shy of "huge" on my measuring tape.
Including the palette, it measures 209cm long by 106cm wide by 121cm high. The boxes are marked "51kg" and "170kg" for a total of 221kg, not including the wooden palette.
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Funny, I was going to say I didn't think it would fit in a Ford Ranger because of the wheel wells (I have a Ranger in the driveway). You definitely need the palette. While the sides of the box are the thickest cardboard I've ever seen, the base is not.
Neil
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Hey thanks for the answers guys! Looks like the Tacoma is just wide enough between the wheel fairings, but I'll have to remove the fiberglass shell and leave the gate down.
Are big printers fun or what? Woohoo, can hardly wait!
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Haha! I had to use a sawzall to drop the cardboard sides--I'm not even sure my house is that well built! ;)
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While the sides of the box are the thickest cardboard I've ever seen, the base is not.
Looks like Canon has attended the school of hard shipping knocks. Anti-forklift armored sides, I like that concept!
The world of freight shipping is a jungle, I have too often wished my boxes of picture frame moulding were that rugged.
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Bill,
Post photos of the loading process into the truck when you are done :)
Neil
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My ipf8300 arrived last week, and I read with interest the threads from Josh and others about moving the beast to a second floor. In my case the second floor involved a twisty set of stairs, and I *really* like my neighbours so I didn't want to hassle them and risk crushing them under this monster.
I thought about it for a bit and then inspiriation struck. I called a piano moving company. The printer is now in my studio! Here are a few photos of how it went:
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0405.jpg)
The printer was attached to a 7ft "piano board", which neatly fit between the slots for the printer stand. They wrapped both ends with moving blankets, and the bottom that we stood the printer up on had extra padding inside too.
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0407.jpg)
piano movers https://gjmoving.com/services/piano-moving/ (https://gjmoving.com/services/piano-moving/)
Standing the printer up to get the pallet out from under it.
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0409.jpg)
Final adjustments to the many straps holding it onto the piano board and rolling dolly (which was used to get it to the front steps).
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0418.jpg)
Up the stairs. This was the "easy" part, as they'd already cleared the curved steps at the base of the staircase. The hand rail was removed from the wall to make more room. They basically had one guy pulling it up one step at a time via a strap, and the other two below pushing and steadying it.
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0420.jpg)
In the upstairs hall, headed to the print studio. At this point it's basically smooth sailing. We tipped it down onto its belly again, undid all the straps and removed the piano board, and then stood it back up on a moving blanket to drag it into the studio.
(http://www.danecreekfolios.com/PrinterMove/IMG_0422.jpg)
Pulling it the last little bit to get it in the studio.
Anyway, it was an adventure. Total cost was $300 ($250 + $50 tip). I am glad I paid them to do it!
Neil
that's the process of transportation!)