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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Doug Peterson on September 09, 2010, 02:22:43 pm
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Photokina is just around the corner. With Photokina always comes tons of news. Rather than spam the board with dozens of threads I thought I would start one thread (this one) where I will post all of our coverage, opinions, and Q&A.
We encourage you to post any questions you would like answered at Photokina and we'll do our best to answer each. Dave Gallagher and I (Doug Peterson) will there in person to followup on announcements with interviews with the technical staff and management of the relevant companies. In the past one of the most frustrating parts of Photokina has been that the Press Releases and manufacturer web pages do not include some small-but-important detail which goes unanswered for days or weeks. Being there in person we hope to followup on such questions immediately.
Pre-Photokina news
- 40% off Capture One Pro [http://tinyurl.com/269vybz (http://tinyurl.com/269vybz)]
- Capture One Pro already making full use of 12-core Mac Pros [http://tinyurl.com/26lc6m9 (http://tinyurl.com/26lc6m9)]
- Phase One V-Grip Air []
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Photokina is just around the corner. With Photokina always comes tons of news. Rather than spam the board with dozens of threads I thought I would start one thread (this one) where I will post all of our coverage, opinions, and Q&A.
How does the Hasselblad H4D-60 compare with the Phase P65+?
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How does the Hasselblad H4D-60 compare with the Phase P65+?
That was an easier question a few months ago! ;D
We try very hard not to comment on products we don't sell - we're not the experts on those products and we're inherently biased!
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How does the Hasselblad H4D-60 compare with the Phase P65+?
The P56+ is equipped with only 4 buttons whereas the H60 back has 5 buttons. So the H60 is somewhat better.
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- Capture One Pro already making full use of 12-core Mac Pros [http://tinyurl.com/26lc6m9 (http://tinyurl.com/26lc6m9)]
Quote: "See below a screen grab showing the heavy use of all the machine’s cores during the processing of ten P65+ files. The “dips” in the graph are when the processing of a file is completed and the result is being written to disk."
I don't want to see 11 (or 23 with HyperThreading) cores twiddle their thumbs because one other core is doing disk IO (at least as long as there is remaining free memory). That's "making full use of 12-core Mac Pros" only 75% of the time...
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Quote: "See below a screen grab showing the heavy use of all the machine’s cores during the processing of ten P65+ files. The “dips” in the graph are when the processing of a file is completed and the result is being written to disk."
I don't want to see 11 (or 23 with HyperThreading) cores twiddle their thumbs because one other core is doing disk IO (at least as long as there is remaining free memory). That's "making full use of 12-core Mac Pros" only 75% of the time...
True - the write to disk is limited by disk speed which doesn't increase when you increase the speed or number of cores of your CPU. Disk writes can be made faster with faster drives (e.g. 10k or 15k drives or high quality SSD drives) or using multiple drives in RAID-0. However, you're completely correct that C1 can't saturate the CPU while also writing the results to disk. Our description of "making full use of" refers to the fact that if you have a 12-core machine (24 virtual cores) and a 6-core machine (12 virtual cores) you will gain a LOT of speed (around 1.7x) in Capture One Pro whereas some programs (notably CS5) will actually run slower on the 12-core machine.
Also, every version of Capture One has brought better use of system resources, especially on multi-core machines. So I'd expect the near-to-mid term future to bring further optimization of such high-core machines.
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When are we likely to see a Phase One, full/near full frame chip (40-50MP in the middle of current backs) that doesn't involve selling a kidney to purchase? ???
P45 is looking a little tired next to the new gen of Blads and I'm in the market for a camera like the HD4-50.
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and by the way... with two OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD's in RAID 0, I'm getting better than 500 MB/Sec write speed.... so C1 Pro isn't having to spend THAT much time waiting for disks.
Technology just keeps getting better and better. Too bad the SATA Bus is saturated around 650 MB/Sec or I'd stripe in a third.
In recent news, almost finished editing my first video shot with the 5d2... looking beautiful. Also just shot my first exteriors since getting the Rm3d... worked with the 35mm the 55mm and the 70mm and never had to change focus.... very cool.
CB
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and by the way... with two OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD's in RAID 0, I'm getting better than 500 MB/Sec write speed.... so C1 Pro isn't having to spend THAT much time waiting for disks.
Technology just keeps getting better and better. Too bad the SATA Bus is saturated around 650 MB/Sec or I'd stripe in a third.
In recent news, almost finished editing my first video shot with the 5d2... looking beautiful. Also just shot my first exteriors since getting the Rm3d... worked with the 35mm the 55mm and the 70mm and never had to change focus.... very cool.
CB
Chris,
Did you shoot video for product or architecture with the 5d2?
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and by the way... with two OWC Mercury Extreme Pro SSD's in RAID 0, I'm getting better than 500 MB/Sec write speed.... so C1 Pro isn't having to spend THAT much time waiting for disks.
It doesn't help you're processing those hefty 65+ files!
Thanks again for all the help assessing C1 on 16 core machines. You were very generous with your time!
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Well, I pretty much only have one question.. when will we see P1 backs with a display designed in the 21st century?
Oh, and one more thing, I remember a rumor that Phase and Mamiya were working on a completely new camera,
and not just a tweaked 645AFD, is it true and if so when can we expect to see something?
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Prekina update: Capture One 5.2 released
http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/14/capture-one-5-2/ (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/14/capture-one-5-2/)
- LCC based dust removal.
- LCC support for Leaf portable files (also used for tethered operation)
- LCC support for large number of DSLR RAW formats.
- Live View support for Leaf backs and Mamiya DM systems.
- Significantly improved tethered performance for Leaf Aptus II series backs.
- Updated firmware for selected Leaf backs and Mamiya DM systems.
- More camera controls supported for some cameras.
- Preferences to disable tethered support based on camera make.
- Color tag in processed file.
- New lens profile for Phase One 35mm lens
- New lens profile for Schneider Kreuznach LS 110mm lens.
- Improved P65+ image quality.
- Improved colors and consistency on a number of Nikon cameras (*)
- Improved tone response in ISO mode L1.0, L0.7 and L0.3 for a number of Nikon cameras (*)
- A number of bug fixes.
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Rumor: Phase One 35mm Lens
http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/14/rumor-phase-one-35mm-lens/ (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/14/rumor-phase-one-35mm-lens/)
Noted first by Jack Flesher on GetDPI
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245399&postcount=5 (http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245399&postcount=5)
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Prekina update: 120mm Schneider tilt-shift lens (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/14/120mm-tilt-shift-for-df/) for Phase One DF
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Re: LCD. Phase One is not blind to the fact that their LCD is about the same as the one-generation-old Canon 1Ds Mark 2. The fact they have continued to lead the market in sales without a model with an updated LCD shows how strong the overall product is. A Phase One with a new LCD would clearly sell well. Only time will tell. Fortunately "time" in this case may be as little as one week. Stay tuned!
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Fortunately "time" in this case may be as little as one week. Stay tuned!
Hey Doug, is this a sneaky hint or you just hoping like the rest of us? ;)
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:)
so we'll see in a week
exciting
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Prekina update: 120mm Schneider tilt-shift lens (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/14/120mm-tilt-shift-for-df/) for Phase One DF
Really "for DF", or for any of the 645AF[D] cameras too? I don't see the DF specifically mentioned in the Schneider PDF.
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Really "for DF", or for any of the 645AF[D] cameras too? I don't see the DF specifically mentioned in the Schneider PDF.
The pdf is lacking any real information. Since it doesnt specifically say it has a leaf shutter, I assume it does not and therefore should be able to work fine with the AF, as well.
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Exactly the kind of questions that are left after Photokina announcements and precisely why we are traveling to Germany to be there in person to hunt down such answers in real time.
We will find out for sure for everyone and post it in this thread.
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Prekina update: 120mm Schneider tilt-shift lens (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/14/120mm-tilt-shift-for-df/) for Phase One DF
what is interesting is the phrase "lenseS" in that brochure, and the 90/f4 on the cover! and a 50/2.8 inside !!
is there more than one on the way perhaps?
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Prekina update: Capture One 5.2 released
- Improved P65+ image quality.
can you provide more info on this line Doug - do I have to go back and re-process some files, and am I going to notice an improvement or not really?
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what is interesting is the phrase "lenseS" in that brochure, and the 90/f4 on the cover! and a 50/2.8 inside !!
is there more than one on the way perhaps?
The 50mm and 90mm are for 35mm dSLRs.
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can you provide more info on this line Doug - do I have to go back and re-process some files, and am I going to notice an improvement or not really?
When I spoke to the head of the Image Core team (the math squad that does the underlying processing) he highlighted large improvements in the removal of stuck pixels in long exposures with especially notable improvements in 40+ and 65+ exposures of 30 seconds and longer.
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"Especially notable improvements in 40+ and 65+" does it mean it's a dalsa sensor thing or guys like me (P45+ user) can also expect improvements?
Redesigned Phase One back with a nice LCD would be huge. Live view on the DB's LCD would be even bigger but that would be asking too much wouldn't it.
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Re: LCD. Phase One is not blind to the fact that their LCD is about the same as the one-generation-old Canon 1Ds Mark 2. The fact they have continued to lead the market in sales without a model with an updated LCD shows how strong the overall product is. A Phase One with a new LCD would clearly sell well. Only time will tell. Fortunately "time" in this case may be as little as one week. Stay tuned!
I'd like captures to appear on an Apple iDevice.
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Oh, perhpas the "possible" new 35mm will be the same of the older one, i'm not sure if this is going to tell you something but it seems that the lens correction of the old mamiya 35mm is exactly the same of the new 35mmD from phase... perhaps they will change the lettering and add a "D" and 1500 euro more to the price
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The fact they have continued to lead the market in sales without a model with an updated LCD shows how strong the overall product is. A Phase One with a new LCD would clearly sell well. Only time will tell. Fortunately "time" in this case may be as little as one week. Stay tuned!
Since no mf company publishes sales numbers I don't know how anyone knows who leads the "back" market, but regardless Phase' success came early on when they had the most stable backs and above all software. Now the field is more level (and smaller).
As far as cameras, I'd be surprised if any medium format company is even close to the numbers of the H series blad.
Still, an improved lcd would be nice, but it's been so long and most of us have found so many ways to work around it, I don't think I'd jump up and down for the perfect lcd, unless it had live view, then I'd probably take a look, unless it's hooked to a trillion dollar p85.
BC
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Oh, perhpas the "possible" new 35mm will be the same of the older one, i'm not sure if this is going to tell you something but it seems that the lens correction of the old mamiya 35mm is exactly the same of the new 35mmD from phase... perhaps they will change the lettering and add a "D" and 1500 euro more to the price
I suspect that will not be the case. However, if and when any new version of a lens is released you can be sure we (Capture Integration) will test it to see. We don't want to sell a customer a more expensive lens with the same performance any more than the customer wants to buy it.
In the case of the 45D the first two samples we received tested not much better than a 45 non D. However thereafter we were pleased to find considerably better results.
The 150D blew the 150 non D away - see the test on our website (http://www.captureintegration.com/tests/lens/).
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Yes there was no question of the 150mm D being at least a different optical design - it is f2.8 vs f3.5 for the older AF lens.
But I still suspect that the 150mm D is the same optically as the excellent manual focus 150mm A (also f2.8 ) lens. And who knows what the 35mm D will be?
It would really to help settle these concerns/doubts if camera manufacturers would simply provide more factual information on their products. I'm not asking for Zemax .ZMX files with the complete lens ray tracing recipe (although that would be nice!!!), because they might want to keep that level of detail secret from competitors (not that a competitor couldn't reverse-engineer pretty much any lens from a dismantled sample, if they really wanted to). But a spot-diagram & MTF curve for each lens would be brilliant and would clarify the unique signature of each and every lens design.
Ray
PS while previewing this, I discovered that if you happen to put a closing bracket after the number 8, in a context like "(also f2.8 )" it automatically turns into a smiley "(also f2.8)".
"How fast is that lens, Ray?"
"It's f two-point-cool, John. Two-point-COOLLL..."
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It would really to help settle these concerns/doubts if camera manufacturers would simply provide more factual information on their products.
Can't help with the MTFs but here is a link - click on any given lens and you will see the design of the lens.
http://www.captureintegration.com/phase-one/buy/
I'd rather compare lenses by taking pictures than stare at MTF charts - but that's just me. I understand some people would prefer the MTF charts.
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Well I tested along with Jack the first 45D Doug had and it was no better than the older version. I did buy one after that and it was clearly a winner although I just sold it for the 55MM LS which I finally can try out tomorrow. The 150D i have is just killer sharp and if there is a 150 LS on the horizon I will look at it but going to be hard to give this one up. The old 35mm lens sucks unless you find one out of five that is actually pretty good, for a P40+ the chances are much better given the crop but the P65 folks forget it. I have no doubt if a 35mm D hits the market it will be excellent. Even questioning it is just flat out silly. Phase is not stupid they know very well any lens made today BETTER perform on a P65+ back or it will not sell PERIOD. Bottom line anything coming out of Phase camp in the lens world is designed to work with a 60 mpx back or more and anything less they know they will be closing the door on themselves. Hassy knows the same thing so given what these guy's are producing in backs there is no way they are going to kick their own ass. It simply makes no business sense.
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Even questioning it is just flat out silly. Phase is not stupid they know very well any lens made today BETTER perform on a P65+ back or it will not sell PERIOD. Bottom line anything coming out of Phase camp in the lens world is designed to work with a 60 mpx back or more and anything less they know they will be closing the door on themselves.
Then forgive me for being silly - but was it not Phase that charged a premium price for an old Russian lens that had some, to say it kind, personality in regards of even sharpness??
/adam
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Then forgive me for being silly - but was it not Phase that charged a premium price for an old Russian lens that had some, to say it kind, personality in regards of even sharpness??
True. I do not take anything for granted. The TS lens did not live up to our expectations.
That's why we test everything and believe only what we see with our own eyes.
But I do think that Phase learned a lesson there. You'll note shortly thereafter they partnered with Schneider for their leaf-shutter lens line.
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Then forgive me for being silly - but was it not Phase that charged a premium price for an old Russian lens that had some, to say it kind, personality in regards of even sharpness??
/adam
Okay no one is perfect and that was some time ago as well and lately that has not been the case. Granted silly maybe a bad choice of words but I have faith in them to come to market these days with good product. I have been real happy with the latest purchases so far and i did a buy a few things. Just don't mention it to my wife.
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Then forgive me for being silly - but was it not Phase that charged a premium price for an old Russian lens that had some, to say it kind, personality in regards of even sharpness??
/adam
My feeling on that endeavor was that there was optimism that a select number of quality lenses could be pulled form a large purchased batch, modified to bring the most out from the lens (with a digital back), and then be a quality alternative for tilt/shift. As that process unfolded, it was becoming apparent (to me) that the results were not where Phase One hoped to get them, despite only working on the very best copies. And while the $3,999 price vs previous $800 price seemed like a money grab, I don't believe it was as simple as just buying $800 lenses and marking them up to an obscene price. The process of testing and working on the products and (especially) the likely amount of lens waste that simply wasn't even up to the task of being a candidate for that process played a significant role in the pricing. When it became apparent that the lenses weren't cutting the mustard despite best efforts, there was a notable decline in the emphasis put on that lens as a viable solution (at least in the US).
As far as improvements on D lenses vs older Mamiya AF/non AF lenses, some lenses improve a great deal, others not so much, in terms of sharpness. What I have seen more widespread are improvements in chromatic aberrations on the newer lenses, even when there wasn't a significant sharpness increase. Some of the older Mamiya glass is very good, in terms of sharpness. Little difference, if any, is noticeable between the 120mm. The 45mm was modestly improved in sharpness, more so in CA correction, and in general, the build quality from all the lenses is significantly improved, and the warranty extended from 1 year to 3 years. On balance I don't see any highway robbery being committed. The last published price of the original 45mm AF was $1,332 and the introductory price of the D version was $1,890. Not an unreasonable difference.
Steve Hendrix
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Oh, we know that the new 45D is better then the old one. At least if you don't need it open wide. It seems that both Hasselblad HC (well, the 35-90HCD is different) and the Mamiya 35mm have problems of design, they have lot of distortions. For me this is not a problem, cromatic aberration is never an issue because of software correction. I think if Phase will make a new 35mm will not change the design, what i hope for is a high level of control of the production quality. The biggest problem of my 35mm is finding the right point of focus to get a good quality image, but this is due to sample differences. The other problem is the lack of contrast wide open, but i never use it at 3,5...
If they can avoid sample variations and give us good 35mm at the price of the new 45D i'll buy one. Of course, i just make a fast test of the lens correction in capture one, all my thoughts are made on this, i hope i'm making a mistake ;)
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For me this is not a problem, cromatic aberration is never an issue because of software correction.
Even the best software correction for chromatic aberration has difficulty with slightly out-of-focus CA which can be some of the nastiest to look at.
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I'd like captures to appear on an Apple iDevice.
Would be great if all digital backs would have WiFi and create JPG to beam over to iPad without having to use a computer in between as with Leaf Capture Remote app.
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10055-10851
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according to this site... http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/photokina-2010-Drei-Tilt-Shift-Objektive-von-Schneider-Kreuznach ...
the 120 TS is around € 3900,-
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I think to expensive, fot that type of lens.
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I think to expensive, fot that type of lens.
Isn't the Hartblei similarly priced?
http://www.hartblei.de/en/sr120m.htm
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agree, that's too expensive. its only got 6 elements for goodness sake.
don't know why we are surprised by such prices though - you sneeze in MF world and its $1000.
and have you seen what Alpa charges to put a $1500 (retail) lens in its mount? - another $1500.!
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I think to expensive, fot that type of lens.
¿What type of lens?
¿a top quality professional MFD lens that has movements built into,,, not added on as an after-thought?
It would be nice if you could use the tele range of Schneider Apo-Digitar lenses with one t/s adapter.
... and would it not be nice if they were available for "other MFD cameras".
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agree, that's too expensive. its only got 6 elements for goodness sake.
don't know why we are surprised by such prices though - you sneeze in MF world and its $1000.
and have you seen what Alpa charges to put a $1500 (retail) lens in its mount? - another $1500.!
but that mount is a really nice, perfectly square..think of it a pedestal for the lens.
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It would be nice if you could use the tele range of Schneider Apo-Digitar lenses with one t/s adapter.
You can.
See: Cambo X-2 (http://www.captureintegration.com/solutions/digital-view-camera/#cambox2)
Compatible with
- Phase One / Mamiya bodies
- Schneider lenses (72mm and longer)
- Rodenstock lenses (90mm and longer)
- Canon/Nikon bodies
- Hasselblad 500/200 series lenses
- Mamiya 645 lenses
- Mamiya RZ lenses
However the Hasselblad H and 500 series bodies are not compatible as they do not have a shutter and are limited to using lenses with built-in shutters.
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You can.
See: Cambo X-2 (http://www.captureintegration.com/solutions/digital-view-camera/#cambox2)
Compatible with
- Phase One / Mamiya bodies
- Schneider lenses (72mm and longer)
- Rodenstock lenses (90mm and longer)
- Canon/Nikon bodies
- Hasselblad 500/200 series lenses
- Mamiya 645 lenses
- Mamiya RZ lenses
However the Hasselblad H and 500 series bodies are not compatible as they do not have a shutter and are limited to using lenses with built-in shutters.
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Very limited. Not much on the wide side. I think he means something like an HTS for Phase bodies.
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I think he means something like an HTS for Phase bodies.
no. he was referring to Digitars... not to a magnifying adapter to use the respective 645 lenses.
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no. he was referring to Digitars... not to a magnifying adapter to use the respective 645 lenses.
I'm not sure Phase would want to get into the market of machining view cameras. Similar to having the DF used like the Sinar M as the rear standard of a view camera? Would the DF mechanically even be able to do this if Phase had it's own view cameras?
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It would be nice if you could use the tele range of Schneider Apo-Digitar lenses with one t/s adapter.
... and would it not be nice if they were available for "other MFD cameras".
You can.
See: Cambo X-2 (http://www.captureintegration.com/solutions/digital-view-camera/#cambox2)
However the Hasselblad H and 500 series bodies are not compatible as they do not have a shutter and are limited to using lenses with built-in shutters.
Where I came from, Apo-digitars normally come with shutters.... and you can use shuttered LF or P3 lenses with a Hasselblad back on a view camera ¿but not with a Hasselblad body unless someone makes an adapter? ... a 200 (Hasselblad with a focal plane shutter) would be an option.
Hasselblad made a shutter for the V system for macro, e.g. Luminar lenses.
I seem to remember putting a Hasselblad on the back of a Sinar, but I cannot remember how the shutter and camera were synced... two cable releases, I think, one to raise the mirror and one to trip the shutter.
It would be nice to have a Hasselblad to Sinar P3 T/S adapter, as all my Apo-digitars are on P3 lensboards.
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Very limited. Not much on the wide side.
Good wides are non-retro-focus (they are as long as their focal length),,, so you cannot use them on SLR bodies.
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Very limited. Not much on the wide side. I think he means something like an HTS for Phase bodies.
Note that the HTS imposes a 1.5X magnification on the lens, so the widest it will go is 42mm [HCD28mm x 1.5].
In addition to Schneider/Rodenstock/etc lenses listed above the X-2 can accept all RZ lenses including the 50mm with focus to infinity. The X-2 retails for around $2500 depending on which lens boards and camera mounts you need.
That said - you're absolutely right - it is a limited solution on the wide end and not our recommendation for most interior/architecture/wide-angle-landscape work. For such wide angle work the best technical solution will always be a mirror-less solution such as a Cambo Wide RS (i.e. not an SLR) as the best wide-angle glass (as Dick points out) is either non retro focus or very lightly retro focus and requires a small distance to the sensor which precludes an SLR design.
Also note that you can slap just about any lens from any manufacturer of any length on an X-2 (with appropriate adapter and/or gaffe tape), but only the "compatible" lenses will focus at infinity. It is excellent therefore for table-top, product, special effects, specialized portrait etc.
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Where I came from, Apo-digitars normally come with shutters.... and you can use shuttered LF or P3 lenses with a Hasselblad back on a view camera ¿but not with a Hasselblad body unless someone makes an adapter? ... a 200 (Hasselblad with a focal plane shutter) would be an option.
Hasselblad made a shutter for the V system for macro, e.g. Luminar lenses.
I seem to remember putting a Hasselblad on the back of a Sinar, but I cannot remember how the shutter and camera were synced... two cable releases, I think, one to raise the mirror and one to trip the shutter.
It would be nice to have a Hasselblad to Sinar P3 T/S adapter, as all my Apo-digitars are on P3 lensboards.
Dick, I'm sorry if I was not clear/precise enough in my writing. I did not mean to imply that Hasselbald backs/bodies were not compatible with any solutions such as the X-2. I only meant to state that the X-2 specifically is not compatible with Hasselblad bodies/backs.
The range/type/availability/pricing of other means by which you might accomplish a similar goal using a Hasselblad SLR is not an area of my expertise.
Sorry for any confusion.
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(http://www.hotel-im-wasserturm.de/images/fotogalerie/400_Turmvonaussenkomplett.jpg) (http://"http://www.hotel-im-wasserturm.de/en/photogallery.htm")
Just arrived in Germany and checked into our hotel. Beautiful hotel in a castle! Really cute barhop.
The Phase One and Leaf Dealer Conference are this weekend. Though likely the news from that conference will be embargoed until Tuesday. However, the moment it's allowed we'll post details galore.
Notes from the show floor will begin Tuesday (German time).
We have private meetings/interviews scheduled with Cambo, Leica, and Schneider so far. Arranging more on the fly at the show.
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Hope to meet up there. I'll be on the profot booth demoing for Elinchrom, leaf and phase one on Tuesday till Thursday.
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Adding to an already strong line of lenses available for the Phase One DF platform, today Phase One and Schneider announced four new lenses for the Phase One DF Platform.
http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/19/three-other-new-schneider-lenses/ (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/19/three-other-new-schneider-lenses/)
- Phase One 35mm f/3.5 D
- Phase One 120mm f/4 D Macro Autofocus
- Schneider 150mm f/3.5 LS
- Schneider 120mm f/5.6 Tilt-Shift lens*
*previously announced by Schneider
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Here's your biggie guys:
(http://www.captureintegration.com/wp-content/uploads/Aptus-II-12.jpg)
More Information about the Leaf Aptus-II 12 (http://"http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/20/leaf-aptus-ii-12-aptus-ii-12r/")
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Here's your biggie guys:
http://www.captureintegration.com/wp-content/uploads/Aptus-II-12.jpg
Looks like an interesting photokina so far, any noteworthy improvements besides the extra megapixels?
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I guess none so far ;-)
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That it? Nothing else of interest to report? I bet you guys just skipped the show and are taking in some great German Beer!
LoL
CB
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That it? Nothing else of interest to report?
nothing regarding Phase One at least.
Yair showed me some first captures of the Aptus II 12 and the resolution is absolutely incredible.
You will hardly ever see any serious moire with this sensor.
Even the Phase 80D lens looks extremely good on this sensor edge to edge (stopped down).
Really promising for anybody looking for high rez.
The 120 TS lens is really B I G
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Surprisingly large physically.
Surprisingly light in weight.
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That it? Nothing else of interest to report? I bet you guys just skipped the show and are taking in some great German Beer!
Everything so far was from pre-announcements. We actually had to do leg work today and go SEE things now that the show is open (Tuesday is the first day) and then had to come home and write about.
"Kolsch" by the way.
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Impressions of Upcoming Leica S2 Tethering Improvements (http://"http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/21/upcoming-leica-s2-tethering-improvements/"). this time the tethering speed gains are significant.
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That it? Nothing else of interest to report? I bet you guys just skipped the show and are taking in some great German Beer!
Plus we were busy with guerilla marketing (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/21/capture-integration-bips-invade-photokina/) :-).
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Quick hands on with the RM3Di (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/21/hands-on-the-new-arca-swiss-rm3di/)
More details tomorrow. Going to sleep.
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Hi Doug:
Hope you and Dave are having fun!
So no new backs from Phase One? Thats disappointing. Are all the new announcements out there or are some still to come?
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Congratulations to Dave, Steve, Doug, et al.
http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/21/phase-one-partner-of-the-year-2010/
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We encourage you to post any questions you would like answered at Photokina and we'll do our best to answer each. (...) In the past one of the most frustrating parts of Photokina has been that the Press Releases and manufacturer web pages do not include some small-but-important detail which goes unanswered for days or weeks.
Hello,
it would be great to know if the Sinar eShutter does support "bulb".
http://www.sinar.ch/en/products/shutters/242-eshutter
http://www.sinar.ch/en/downloads/category/21-sinar-kameras?download=84%3Asinar-eshutter-en
Could the shutter be used without a computer?
Is there a chance to use it via "hardware" (e.g. USB microcontroller) because I need a real switch to release the shutter without delay.
(Ony "bulb" is needed, if this helps)
Price of the shutter?
Price of fitting to Rodenstock 23mm?
T H A N K Y O U
Barkeeper
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More news:
- Cambo Copy Stand (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/22/cambo-copy-stand-system/)
- Broncolor Lighting (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/22/broncolor-added-to-the-capture-integration-product-line/)
- Profoto Gets in to Continuous Light in a Big Way (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/22/profoto-a-new-product-line-and-business-development-manager/)
- Cambo dSLR rig (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/22/cambo-dslr-rig/) and "meeting with partners (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/22/cambo-saying-hello-to-our-long-term-partners/)"
All right. I'm headed to Denmark tomorrow to tour the Phase One factory and headquarters and then to St. Petersburg to see my artwork on display in the Manege gallery there (http://www.doug-peterson.com/bodyscape-social-selection-for-manege-gallery-russia/).
So signing off for now and wishing you a happy Photokina.
Thanks for everyone who followed our news! Keep any questions coming and when we're back home we'll do our best to answer!
Doug Peterson (e-mail Me) ("doug@captureintegration.com")
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- Cambo Copy Stand (http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/09/22/cambo-copy-stand-system/)
This is interesting. It's nothing new, but it's interesting coming from a camera maker. These pictures are tricky. Prices?