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Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 14, 2010, 01:39:57 pm
I'm in the process of buying a new PC to replace my 6 year old Dell.  My max budget is $2200.  So far, I've come up with the following computer configuration to be built by a company called Puget Systems.  I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions as my knowledge of computers is basic.  Thanks.

Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E Pro
CPU: Intel Core i7 QUAD CORE 860 2.8GHz 8MB 95W (Socket 1156 45nm)
RAM: Kingston 8GB DDR3-1333 (4x2GB)
Video Card: Asus GT 240 1GB Silent
Hard Drive 1:  Intel X25-M 34nm Gen 2 80GB SATA II 2.5inch SSD
Hard Drive 2:  Western Digital Caviar Black 1.0TB SATA 6 Gb/s
Power: Corsair TX 650W Power Supply
CPU Cooling: Gelid Tranquillo  
OS:  Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: TimBarker on June 15, 2010, 06:26:11 am
Quote from: ChuckZ
I'm in the process of buying a new PC to replace my 6 year old Dell.  My max budget is $2200.  So far, I've come up with the following computer configuration to be built by a company called Puget Systems.  I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions as my knowledge of computers is basic.  Thanks.

Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E Pro
CPU: Intel Core i7 QUAD CORE 860 2.8GHz 8MB 95W (Socket 1156 45nm)
RAM: Kingston 8GB DDR3-1333 (4x2GB)
Video Card: Asus GT 240 1GB Silent
Hard Drive 1:  Intel X25-M 34nm Gen 2 80GB SATA II 2.5inch SSD
Hard Drive 2:  Western Digital Caviar Black 1.0TB SATA 6 Gb/s
Power: Corsair TX 650W Power Supply
CPU Cooling: Gelid Tranquillo  
OS:  Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM

Should work.  Maxes out the memory but you'll need minimum of 6 and as a result a 64bit O/S to go with it. I'm running a Asus P6T with 6Gb, i7 920.  Only recommendation would be to have more disc space, go for a minimum 200Gb and pref 500Gb for the system drive and double up the 1Tb under a RAID system to protect the data.  CS4 works well on mine with plenty of headroom.  If you need to minimise on cost maybe go for a cheaper video card(?) or perhaps cooling, maybe drop the memory to 4Gb but I use my full 6Gb frequently.  You need 64-bit o/s so can't do much there.  Think you'll notice a difference in speed...
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: B-Ark on June 15, 2010, 06:51:00 am
This is almost identical to the system that I'm putting together.
I might question the SSD - I'm assuming this will be the system drive.
My concerns are:
- if you expect this system to also last 6 years, then 80Gb might be a bit tight.
- long term reliability of SSD's is still unproven.
My configuration has a 150Gb Velociraptor.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: Bill Koenig on June 15, 2010, 03:03:06 pm
Why only 8 GB of ram? If I could, I would max out the ram, or at least go with 16 GB or better yet, 24 GB. You can't have to much ram.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: Christopher on June 15, 2010, 06:10:48 pm
Quote from: Bill Koenig
Why only 8 GB of ram? If I could, I would max out the ram, or at least go with 16 GB or better yet, 24 GB. You can't have to much ram.

Well because 24GB of RAM are fu***** expensive on a I7 system. It only makes sense on a Xeon System. (Feel free to compare prizes)
However, 8GB are bs, too. Why ? Because a i7 System needs 3 or 6 dimms, which means 6GB or 12 GB.

The rest sounds quite good.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: B-Ark on June 16, 2010, 07:28:41 am

"Because a i7 System needs 3 or 6 dimms, which means 6GB or 12 GB."

True with a Socket 1366 system.
Socket 1156 systems install dimms in pairs.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: Christopher on June 16, 2010, 02:23:40 pm
Quote from: B-Ark
"Because a i7 System needs 3 or 6 dimms, which means 6GB or 12 GB."

True with a Socket 1366 system.
Socket 1156 systems install dimms in pairs.

Your correct my fault, I was still under the impression i7 = 1366 and  1156 = i5 and i3. I was wrong so it is 2/4 Dimms for a i7 with 1156 and 3/6 Dimms for a i7 with 1366 .
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: BernardLanguillier on June 16, 2010, 11:26:57 pm
Quote from: ChuckZ
I'm in the process of buying a new PC to replace my 6 year old Dell.  My max budget is $2200.  So far, I've come up with the following computer configuration to be built by a company called Puget Systems.  I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions as my knowledge of computers is basic.  Thanks.

Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E Pro
CPU: Intel Core i7 QUAD CORE 860 2.8GHz 8MB 95W (Socket 1156 45nm)
RAM: Kingston 8GB DDR3-1333 (4x2GB)
Video Card: Asus GT 240 1GB Silent
Hard Drive 1:  Intel X25-M 34nm Gen 2 80GB SATA II 2.5inch SSD
Hard Drive 2:  Western Digital Caviar Black 1.0TB SATA 6 Gb/s
Power: Corsair TX 650W Power Supply
CPU Cooling: Gelid Tranquillo  
OS:  Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM

I would consider the SSDs made by OCW. Very happy so far about the one I have installed in my Mac Pro one month ago.

Regarding storage, my personnal policy is not to store any data on internal disks, you always end up running out of space and have huge risk with disk failure. An external eSATA  Raid 5/6 unit is a safer bet IMHO (that having to be backed up as well of course).

So if you go by this, the internal discs end up being only about OS for disk 1 and scratch for disc 2,... you would therefore not need 1TB, a fast hybrid disk, Velociraptor or SSD might be a better bet.

Just my 2 cent.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: TimBarker on June 17, 2010, 05:36:27 am
Quote from: BernardLanguillier
I would consider the SSDs made by OCW. Very happy so far about the one I have installed in my Mac Pro one month ago.

Regarding storage, my personnal policy is not to store any data on internal disks, you always end up running out of space and have huge risk with disk failure. An external eSATA  Raid 5/6 unit is a safer bet IMHO (that having to be backed up as well of course).

So if you go by this, the internal discs end up being only about OS for disk 1 and scratch for disc 2,... you would therefore not need 1TB, a fast hybrid disk, Velociraptor or SSD might be a better bet.

Just my 2 cent.

Cheers,
Bernard

an interesting point, personally I'd do both have a large hard drive in the PC under mirror RAID AND have an external NAS RAID drive for regular backup but I'm a little paranoid.  Currently reformatting 2x2Tb external for backup...
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: Sheldon N on June 17, 2010, 11:45:38 am
The way I configure hard drives/storage on my Lightroom/Photoshop machine is like this.

150GB Velociraptor = Operating system and Programs
1TB WD Drive = Photo Storage
2x640GB WD Drives in RAID 0 = First 64GB Partition for scratch disk, Remaining 1+ TB  for storage of music and a doubled copy of all photos.

This way I've got a live backup copy of every RAW file as soon as I import it into LR since I have it back up the RAW files directly to the second drive. If any one hard drive were to take a dive I wouldn't lose any photos. To ensure against fire/theft/massive computer crash/etc I also have an external 1.5TB drive that I will use to periodically back up the entire thing and then store it at an offsite location.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 18, 2010, 10:29:38 am
Thanks for the feedback.  These comments have given me more food for thought.

I see here and in several other postings on the internet that photographers have i7 920 systems.  Would such a system provide a siginificantly better photo editing system than the i7 860 system?  (I'm thinking that I should raise my budget if such a system would be better in the long run, but I don't want to spend more money on a system that would provide only marginally better performance)

For storage, I'm thinking that drive 1 (80Gb SSD) would be for the operating system and programs and drive 2 (1Tb HDD) would be for storage.  If I eventually run out of room on the SSD for programs, I figure that I could put those programs that I don't use frequently on the HDD.  I already have a 1Tb external drive that I will continue to use for back-up.



Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 18, 2010, 12:41:56 pm
Also, any thoughts on Windows 7 Home vs Windows 7 Professional?  Thanks.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: B-Ark on June 18, 2010, 01:38:20 pm
Quote from: ChuckZ
I see here and in several other postings on the internet that photographers have i7 920 systems.  Would such a system provide a siginificantly better photo editing system than the i7 860 system?  (I'm thinking that I should raise my budget if such a system would be better in the long run, but I don't want to spend more money on a system that would provide only marginally better performance)

I think there's relatively small difference in performance between the two. Main reason for the 920 is if you might eventually need more than 16 Gb in memory. Motherboard for the 920 is a bit more expensive. Also the 920 is being replaced by the 930. My friendly neighbourhood computer store has the 920 at a discount because it is an 'antique'.

The main reason for getting W7 Pro is if you will need the XP compatibility mode.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 18, 2010, 02:44:25 pm
Thanks for the comments.  Given what I have read about maximizing the amount of RAM and the guess that future software will be more RAM hungry, I decided to go with the i7-900 series.  Based on comments here and on other photography websites, I've come up with the following configuration from AVA Direct:

ANTEC Performance One P183 Black Mid-Tower Computer Case, ATX, No PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX TX Series Power Supply, 650W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, SLI Ready
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 24GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3 Gb/s RAID 5 /6, HDA, GbLAN /2, FW /2, ATX, Retail
INTEL Core™ i7-930 Quad-Core 2.8GHz, LGA1366, 4.8 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail
NOCTUA NH-U12P SE2 CPU Cooling Fan, Socket 1366/1156/775/AM3/AM2, 2x 120mm Fans, Copper/Aluminum, Retail
CORSAIR 12GB (6 x 2GB) XMS3 PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.65V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
EVGA GeForce® GTS 250 675MHz, 1GB GDDR3 1800MHz, PCIe x16 SLI, VGA+DVI, HDMI, Retail
INTEL 80GB X25-M Mainstream SSD, MLC, 250/70 MB/s, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, OEM for operating system and programs
WESTERN DIGITAL 1TB WD Caviar® Black™ (WD1002FAEX), SATA 6 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache for storage
RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
LITE-ON iHDS118 Black 18x48x DVD-ROM Drive, SATA, OEM
LITE-ON iHAS124 Black 24x DVD±RW Dual-Layer Burner, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)
together with a 1TB external drive I already have that will serve to backup data.

Any thoughts?  Thanks
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 18, 2010, 04:05:17 pm
Quote from: ChuckZ
Thanks for the comments.  Given what I have read about maximizing the amount of RAM and the guess that future software will be more RAM hungry, I decided to go with the i7-900 series.  Based on comments here and on other photography websites, I've come up with the following configuration from AVA Direct:

ANTEC Performance One P183 Black Mid-Tower Computer Case, ATX, No PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX TX Series Power Supply, 650W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, SLI Ready
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 24GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3 Gb/s RAID 5 /6, HDA, GbLAN /2, FW /2, ATX, Retail
INTEL Core™ i7-930 Quad-Core 2.8GHz, LGA1366, 4.8 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail
NOCTUA NH-U12P SE2 CPU Cooling Fan, Socket 1366/1156/775/AM3/AM2, 2x 120mm Fans, Copper/Aluminum, Retail
CORSAIR 12GB (6 x 2GB) XMS3 PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.65V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
EVGA GeForce® GTS 250 675MHz, 1GB GDDR3 1800MHz, PCIe x16 SLI, VGA+DVI, HDMI, Retail
INTEL 80GB X25-M Mainstream SSD, MLC, 250/70 MB/s, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, OEM for operating system and programs
WESTERN DIGITAL 1TB WD Caviar® Black™ (WD1002FAEX), SATA 6 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache for storage
RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
LITE-ON iHDS118 Black 18x48x DVD-ROM Drive, SATA, OEM
LITE-ON iHAS124 Black 24x DVD±RW Dual-Layer Burner, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)
together with a 1TB external drive I already have that will serve to backup data.

Any thoughts?  Thanks

Updated Configuration: Changed video card

ANTEC Performance One P183 Black Mid-Tower Computer Case, ATX, No PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX TX Series Power Supply, 650W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, SLI Ready
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 24GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3 Gb/s RAID 5 /6, HDA, GbLAN /2, FW /2, ATX, Retail
INTEL Core™ i7-930 Quad-Core 2.8GHz, LGA1366, 4.8 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail
NOCTUA NH-U12P SE2 CPU Cooling Fan, Socket 1366/1156/775/AM3/AM2, 2x 120mm Fans, Copper/Aluminum, Retail
CORSAIR 12GB (6 x 2GB) XMS3 PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.65V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
EVGA GeForce® 9800 GT 550MHz, 1GB GDDR3 1800MHz, PCIe x16 SLI, VGA, DVI, HDMI, Retail
INTEL 80GB X25-M Mainstream SSD, MLC, 250/70 MB/s, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, OEM (for operating system and programs)
WESTERN DIGITAL 1TB WD Caviar® Black™ (WD1002FAEX), SATA 6 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache (for storage)
RAID No RAID, Independent HDD Drives
LITE-ON iHDS118 Black 18x48x DVD-ROM Drive, SATA, OEM
LITE-ON iHAS124 Black 24x DVD±RW Dual-Layer Burner, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Edition, OEM
WARRANTY Silver Warranty Package (3 Year Limited Parts, 3 Year Labor Warranty)
together with a 1TB external drive I already have that will serve to backup data.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: TimBarker on June 18, 2010, 05:37:15 pm
Quote from: ChuckZ
Updated Configuration: Changed video card

LITE-ON iHDS118 Black 18x48x DVD-ROM Drive, SATA, OEM
LITE-ON iHAS124 Black 24x DVD±RW Dual-Layer Burner, SATA, OEM
MICROSOFT Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Edition, OEM

That's a significant change in specs and content for the 'budget'.  2 DVD drives? and as an owner of W-7 Prof I'm not convinced of the differences to get it again, but maybe if I'd just gone for the other I'd think differently.  Now you'll need a Eizo/NEC monitor...
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 18, 2010, 06:08:03 pm
Quote from: TimBarker
That's a significant change in specs and content for the 'budget'.  2 DVD drives? and as an owner of W-7 Prof I'm not convinced of the differences to get it again, but maybe if I'd just gone for the other I'd think differently.  Now you'll need a Eizo/NEC monitor...

Good point on the DVD drives,  as I only need the burner.  I went with W7 Professional because I have been told one of the programs I use for work is not compatable with W7 and W& Professional has a XP mode.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: B-Ark on June 18, 2010, 06:29:32 pm
The configuration looks good, and should fly at warp speed. Let us know how it works after you get it.
This system should be so fast that Photoshop will have a final image ready, before you even know what you want  ;-)
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 18, 2010, 07:14:02 pm
I dropped the DVD reader and now the price is $2015+$88shipping.  The current monitor, a Dell WFP2408, will do the job for the next few years.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: Christopher on June 20, 2010, 06:22:40 pm
Quote from: ChuckZ
I dropped the DVD reader and now the price is $2015+$88shipping.  The current monitor, a Dell WFP2408, will do the job for the next few years.

Sounds good.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 21, 2010, 09:49:44 am
Quote from: ChuckZ
I'm in the process of buying a new PC to replace my 6 year old Dell.  My max budget is $2200.  So far, I've come up with the following computer configuration to be built by a company called Puget Systems.  I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions as my knowledge of computers is basic.  Thanks.

Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E Pro
CPU: Intel Core i7 QUAD CORE 860 2.8GHz 8MB 95W (Socket 1156 45nm)
RAM: Kingston 8GB DDR3-1333 (4x2GB)
Video Card: Asus GT 240 1GB Silent
Hard Drive 1:  Intel X25-M 34nm Gen 2 80GB SATA II 2.5inch SSD
Hard Drive 2:  Western Digital Caviar Black 1.0TB SATA 6 Gb/s
Power: Corsair TX 650W Power Supply
CPU Cooling: Gelid Tranquillo  
OS:  Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM

I've learned that newegg.com is a good place to read reviews of individual computer components.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: new_haven on June 21, 2010, 12:34:27 pm
What drive are you planning to use as the photoshop scratch drive?

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404439.html (http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404439.html)

According to this tech note:

"Solid State Disks (SSD)

Installing Photoshop on an SSD allows Photoshop launch extremely fast, probably in less than a second. But that initial few second saving is the only time you'll see a benefit, because that's the only time when a lot of data is read from the install disk.

A better option is to set your scratch disk to the SSD. This will give you significant performance savings if you have things that don't fit in RAM, for example, swapping tiles between RAM and SSD is many times faster than swapping between RAM and hard disk.
If you already run Photoshop and work entirely in RAM (if your efficiency number is always at 95-100%), then you won't see much benefit from swapping to an SSD scratch disk, since you're already going as fast as you can."


Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 21, 2010, 12:58:13 pm
Quote from: new_haven
What drive are you planning to use as the photoshop scratch drive?

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404439.html (http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404439.html)

According to this tech note:

"Solid State Disks (SSD)

Installing Photoshop on an SSD allows Photoshop launch extremely fast, probably in less than a second. But that initial few second saving is the only time you'll see a benefit, because that's the only time when a lot of data is read from the install disk.

A better option is to set your scratch disk to the SSD. This will give you significant performance savings if you have things that don't fit in RAM, for example, swapping tiles between RAM and SSD is many times faster than swapping between RAM and hard disk.
If you already run Photoshop and work entirely in RAM (if your efficiency number is always at 95-100%), then you won't see much benefit from swapping to an SSD scratch disk, since you're already going as fast as you can."

I'm figuring that since I'll have 12G of RAM, Photoshop will probably not need a scratch disk?
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 21, 2010, 01:02:55 pm
Quote from: ChuckZ
I'm figuring that since I'll have 12G of RAM, Photoshop will probably not need a scratch disk?

So if it turns out that if Photoshop doesn't need a scratch disk very often, if at all, I'm guessing that I am ok with the HDD being the scratch disk.
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: new_haven on June 21, 2010, 01:10:34 pm
Makes sense to me. -R
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on June 21, 2010, 01:16:23 pm
Quote from: ChuckZ
I'm in the process of buying a new PC to replace my 6 year old Dell.  My max budget is $2200.  So far, I've come up with the following computer configuration to be built by a company called Puget Systems.  I'd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions as my knowledge of computers is basic.  Thanks.

Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E Pro
CPU: Intel Core i7 QUAD CORE 860 2.8GHz 8MB 95W (Socket 1156 45nm)
RAM: Kingston 8GB DDR3-1333 (4x2GB)
Video Card: Asus GT 240 1GB Silent
Hard Drive 1:  Intel X25-M 34nm Gen 2 80GB SATA II 2.5inch SSD
Hard Drive 2:  Western Digital Caviar Black 1.0TB SATA 6 Gb/s
Power: Corsair TX 650W Power Supply
CPU Cooling: Gelid Tranquillo  
OS:  Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM

Here is the latest configuration:

ANTEC, Performance One P183 Black Mid-Tower Computer Case, ATX, No PSU
   
CORSAIR, CMPSU-650TX TX Series Power Supply, 650W, 80 PLUS®, 24-pin ATX12V EPS12V, SLI Ready
   
ASUS, P6T Deluxe V2, LGA1366, Intel® X58, 6400 MT/s QPI, DDR3-2000 (O.C.) 24GB /6, PCIe x16 SLI CF /3, SATA 3 Gb/s RAID 5 /6, HDA, GbLAN /2, FW /2, ATX, Retail
   
INTEL, Core™ i7-930 Quad-Core 2.8GHz, LGA1366, 4.8 GT/s QPI, 8MB L3 Cache, 45nm, 130W, EM64T EIST VT XD, Retail
   
NOCTUA, NH-U12P SE2 CPU Cooling Fan, Socket 1366/1156/775/AM3/AM2, 2x 120mm Fans, Copper/Aluminum, Retail
   
CORSAIR, 12GB (6 x 2GB) XMS3 PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.65V SDRAM DIMM, Non-ECC
   
EVGA, GeForce® 9800 GT 550MHz, 1GB GDDR3 1800MHz, PCIe x16 SLI, VGA, DVI, HDMI, Retail
   
INTEL, 80GB X25-M Mainstream SSD, MLC, 250/70 MB/s, 2.5-Inch, SATA 3 Gb/s, OEM (operating system, programs)
   
WESTERN DIGITAL, 1TB WD Caviar® Black™ (WD1002FAEX), SATA 6 Gb/s, 7200 RPM, 64MB Cache (storage)
     
ASUS, DRW-24B1ST Black 24x DVD±R/RW Dual-Layer Burner, SATA, Retail
   
MICROSOFT, Windows 7 Professional 64-bit Edition, OEM

+existing 1TB external drive for back-up
 
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: Nicholas on July 05, 2010, 10:31:28 pm
Quote from: ChuckZ
I dropped the DVD reader and now the price is $2015+$88shipping.  The current monitor, a Dell WFP2408, will do the job for the next few years.

ChuckZ,

If you decide to go ahead with AVADirect, you will not be disappointed. Here is my computer, it's a little over a year old and I haven't had a single problem with it, it's been flawless. CS5 and NX2 fly at warp speed, too   .

http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/image/116244768/original (http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/image/116244768/original)

Best of luck to you.
Nicholas
http://www.copperhillimages.com (http://www.copperhillimages.com)
Title: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: ChuckZ on July 05, 2010, 10:51:42 pm
Quote from: Nicholas
ChuckZ,

If you decide to go ahead with AVADirect, you will not be disappointed. Here is my computer, it's a little over a year old and I haven't had a single problem with it, it's been flawless. CS5 and NX2 fly at warp speed, too   .

http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/image/116244768/original (http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/image/116244768/original)

Best of luck to you.
Nicholas
http://www.copperhillimages.com (http://www.copperhillimages.com)

Thanks for your input Nicholas.  Actually your comments in a Fred Miranda thread from a few months ago led me to check out AVA Direct and influenced the configuration I eventually came up with.  Thanks for the suggestions there.  I'm planning to order the computer next month.
Title: Re: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: KenS on August 18, 2010, 11:15:12 am
ChuckZ,

If you decide to go ahead with AVADirect, you will not be disappointed. Here is my computer, it's a little over a year old and I haven't had a single problem with it, it's been flawless. CS5 and NX2 fly at warp speed, too   .

http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/image/116244768/original (http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/image/116244768/original)

Best of luck to you.
Nicholas
http://www.copperhillimages.com (http://www.copperhillimages.com)

I'm planning on upgrading my 5+ year old Dell computer (has 4 GB RAM with 3 GB boot.ini switch) in the next month or so and just found this thread.  Since about 6 weeks have gone by since the last post I am wondering what, if anything has changed in terms of recommendations or evaluations?

I plan on doing a lot of multi-image stitching from RAW files from a FF DSLR, and I also  scan my Pentax 67 film resulting in 350 MB files per transparency.
- I am thinking I might want 12 to 16 GB of RAM?
- With this much RAM I won't need a SSD for scratch disk?
- Other recommendations made above are still good?

My current main monitor is a Sony Artisan works great and I don't really want to upgrade unless I have to. Second monitor for CS3 palettes  (will upgrade to CS5, 64 bit when I get the new computer)  is a cheap but workable Viewsonic.   Am I correct in thinking the Artisan monitor will work with the video cards suggested BUT the calibrator will not (unless I switch W7 Pro to XP mode?)

Finally, I have a $2000 Minolta MultiPro scanner which is no longer made so I am thinking the drivers might work in XP mode but if not I will either have to maintain my current XP Dell Computer just for the scanner or buy a different driver/scanner-application for the MultiPro?

~ $2000 budget is okay for me.

Thanks for suggestions.
Ken
Title: Re: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: Christopher on August 18, 2010, 06:09:14 pm
Well, let's see. If you want 12GB of RAM you need an i7 with Socket 13xx. Here you could go till 24GB of RAM, however it is REALLY expensive because you have to use 6x4GB.

With a CPU and a 1156 Socket you can go to 8GB pretty cheap, but 16 again would be really expensive. 4x4GB



One more note, I really don't get why so many people are talking about a SSD as scratch. I think it makes NO sense whatsever. (Only if you use SSDs based on SLC, which again is really expensive) The much cheaper and better solution is to get 2-4 500GB drives in RAID 0. Fatser and a lot cheaper than a SSD.
Title: Re: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: cybis on August 19, 2010, 01:01:25 pm
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any thoughts on Windows 7 Home vs Windows 7 Professional?

The 'Backup and Restore' feature in Windows 7 Home Premium does not allow you to back up to a network drive. Pro does.

That one difference tipped the balance toward the Professional edition for me.
Title: Re: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: tived on August 24, 2010, 08:44:10 pm
The biggest improvement you can make to your computer is to add SSD drives to it, its the greatest bottleneck in your system.

RAM: how much is enough? it obviously depends on the size of files that you work on and what else you have going on. I am pretty certain that when my current build is done with 32GB of ram, I will still need a fast scratch disk.

good luck and happy photoshopping

Henrik
Title: Re: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: degrub on August 25, 2010, 04:30:50 pm
With that configuration you should be able to overclock to about 3.6-4 GHz with minimal effort. i am running the same with a 920 at 3.9 rock stable and CS5 and LR3 are quick under Win7 64

Consider changing the WD black for a pair of Raptors - use small ones (74s or 150s if you can find them)  for system and scratch, and save the large drives for "offline" storage.
Title: Re: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: KenS on August 27, 2010, 12:26:18 am
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RAM: how much is enough? it obviously depends on the size of files that you work on and what else you have going on. I am pretty certain that when my current build is done with 32GB of ram, I will still need a fast scratch disk.
Henrik

You caught my attention with '32GB of ram'.  I am still a month or so away from buying a new PC but I've been thinking 12 to 16 GB would be enough.  As I mentioned in a previous post I plan on doing stitching of Canon 5D II RAW files (21 MPix, perhaps up to 8 shots to be combined) and I also have a large number of 6x7 transparencies which I scan that end up being 350 MB (but I don't typically stitch these for pano's and my current 4 GB PC handles them okay - but slowly).  So,  can you provide some more information about why you think 32 GB might be necessary.  I don't want to over-spend, but the computer I purchase I hope will last ~5 years before I need to upgrade again.

Ken
Title: Re: Computer for Photoshop
Post by: Christopher on August 28, 2010, 03:57:42 am
Well the Problem you get is quite simple. You can get 8GB / 12Gb very cheap and simple. However to get 16 or 24GB you have to fill every slot with 4GB, which REALLY is expensive. If you want more RAM you have to look at Workstation Xeon Systems.

I think you will be fine with 12GB of RAM. Instead of spending a lot more for 16GB/24GB I would just get 2-3 cheap 500GB drives and run them as RAID 0 Scratch. Much better option, because for the stitching process of some larger panos even 32 or 48GB RAM wouldn't be enough. For Photoshop 12GB is more than enough, if your not planing on working on 10 files at a time.