Luminous Landscape Forum
The Art of Photography => User Critiques => Topic started by: PhillyPhotographer on May 27, 2010, 08:52:06 pm
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Michael,
How come when you photograph places that I have tried to photograph, yours come out looking so much classier than mine?
It's very nice indeed. May I ask where you photographed it from? I assume it was from the umpteenth floor of a nearby building.
Eric
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Michael,
How come when you photograph places that I have tried to photograph, yours come out looking so much classier than mine?
It's very nice indeed. May I ask where you photographed it from? I assume it was from the umpteenth floor of a nearby building.
Eric
Thanks Eric.
This was taken from the top of Rockefeller Center and I got lucky with the clouds and light. It was taken on a very cold winter day and since no one was up there security let me stay for a while.
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lack of foreground?
horizon so low in the frame?
composition so symmetrical?
lack of res or contrast, but that may be just the down-res to the Jpeg?
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I rather like the composition, despite it being "wrong" in the formulaic sense of the word. It is like a head and shoulders shot of a familiar friend, except the friend in this case is a building.
Love the b/w conversion, as I always do for your shots.
Ed
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Beautiful black and white shot Michael. Rules are made to break, and I love the composition. It's a classical photograph, and thanks for posting it.
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Lovely image.
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I think I'm going to make myself unpopular, but I agree with Dick here. The light is beautiful, the sky is superb, the tonal range is handled with great skill - but I can't feel comfortable with this composition. When I look at it, I keep wanting to see down. A portrait format, with the horizon line somewhat higher, would seem to suit the subject far better. At least, that's what I would have done in the same situation.
But obviously most people do not feel this way, and the picture does have many merits.
John
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I rather like the composition, despite it being "wrong" in the formulaic sense of the word. It is like a head and shoulders shot of a familiar friend, except the friend in this case is a building.
Love the b/w conversion, as I always do for your shots.
Ed
Thanks Ed, I don't believe in rules when it comes to photography and it has served me well.
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lack of foreground?
horizon so low in the frame?
composition so symmetrical?
lack of res or contrast, but that may be just the down-res to the Jpeg?
All I can say is so what.
Michael Kenna
Chrysler Building
(http://www.michaelkenna.net/gallery_images/21afbd8.jpg)
Josef Hoflehner
Empire State Building
(http://www.josefhoflehner.com/newyorkcity/large/15.jpg)
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Matted 16" x 20"
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs521.ash1/30682_1489160397082_1476143245_31312823_6279023_n.jpg)
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lack of foreground?
horizon so low in the frame?
composition so symmetrical?
lack of res or contrast, but that may be just the down-res to the Jpeg?
All I can say is so what.
Michael Kenna
You learn the basics... then you try to be "artistic" by ignoring the basic rules... but I do not like the pictures.
If you do not want critique, then do not post here.
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lack of foreground?
horizon so low in the frame?
composition so symmetrical?
lack of res or contrast, but that may be just the down-res to the Jpeg?
You learn the basics... then you try to be "artistic" by ignoring the basic rules... but I do not like the pictures.
If you do not want critique, then do not post here.
I have ZERO problems with critique but your way of thinking is antiquated. If you don't like the photo that's fine, art is about personal taste. But to impose "rules", that's the anal type of attitude that held photography back for a long time.
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I love it. Thanks for sharing...wonderful piece of art!
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I have ZERO problems with critique but your way of thinking is antiquated. If you don't like the photo that's fine, art is about personal taste. But to impose "rules", that's the anal type of attitude that held photography back for a long time.
PhillyPhotographer, you’re out of line. You asked for critiques, and then you insult someone who provides a critique. You may disagree with the critique, but there is no call for insults. Do the right thing and apologize.
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PhillyPhotographer, you’re out of line. You asked for critiques, and then you insult someone who provides a critique. You may disagree with the critique, but there is no call for insults. Do the right thing and apologize.
My response was not towards a critique. My response was to a set of "rules" period. There is no need for me to apologize.
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I have ZERO problems with critique but your way of thinking is antiquated. If you don't like the photo that's fine, art is about personal taste. But to impose "rules", that's the anal type of attitude that held photography back for a long time.
My way of thinking might be traditional.
I am glad you think it is "fine" if I do not like the picture, according to my personal taste.
As stated above on this topic, rules are made to be broken... sometimes it results in a pleasing (to someone) picture, and I stated that: "You learn the basics... then you try to be "artistic" by ignoring the basic rules..."
I consider that standards of professional photography have not improved in the digital age, but, if you can market what you produce...
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To critique by tossing out a set of "rules" to a photographer as accomplished as Philly is pretty insulting in its own right.
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lack of foreground?
horizon so low in the frame?
composition so symmetrical?
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What a wonderful list of compliments!
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My response was not towards a critique. My response was to a set of "rules" period. There is no need for me to apologize.
Contrary to your assertion, PhillyPhotographer, you response was to a person and was a personal attack. I can’t imagine where in civilized society, in reaction to a photo critique, it’s appropriate to tell someone that their “thinking is antiquated” and that they have an “anal type of attitude.”
PhillyPhotographer and DarkPenguin, are you saying that personal insults are perfectly acceptable? Unbelievable!
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My response was not towards a critique. My response was to a set of "rules" period. There is no need for me to apologize.
Having been complimenting your way of breaking the "rules" in my previous post above, and being a fan of your work in general, allow me to disagree with your logic above. His critique equals listing a set of rules, hence you can not claim that your response was not toward a critique. Once you post something in public, you should be prepared for all kind of critique, including negative, which shall be then accepted with grace, even if you disagree (and especially when the majority of opinion is in your favor). Calling one's opinion "antiquated" and "anal" is definitely not graceful, even if true.
Now, having said than, I do NOT think apology is in order. In my humble opinion, apologies are best reserved for unintentionally stepping on someones toes in, say, public transport... expressing one's opinion should not require an apology (although how you phrase your opinion is going to speak more about you than about the subject of the debate).
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In answer to a Report this Post to a Moderator:
''But to impose "rules", that's the anal type of attitude that held photography back for a long time."
I do not see a personal attack - rather a critical description of a commonly-held mindset.
May I suggest a debate on that subject rather than raising the ante by demanding apologies and accusations of personal attacks?
If you can't stand the heat...
Chris S
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Please show how you get this ...
PhillyPhotographer and DarkPenguin, are you saying that personal insults are perfectly acceptable? Unbelievable!
...out of this ...
To critique by tossing out a set of "rules" to a photographer as accomplished as Philly is pretty insulting in its own right.
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Contrary to your assertion, PhillyPhotographer, you response was to a person and was a personal attack. I can’t imagine where in civilized society, in reaction to a photo critique, it’s appropriate to tell someone that their “thinking is antiquated” and that they have an “anal type of attitude.”
PhillyPhotographer and DarkPenguin, are you saying that personal insults are perfectly acceptable? Unbelievable!
Again it wasn't at the critique and it wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation. Dick Roadnight understands what I'm saying and I understand what he's saying, you're the only one that seems to be offended so let it rest.
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Calling one's opinion "antiquated" and "anal" is definitely not graceful, even if true.
Oh I don't know about that... those are high class, educated, fruity and mildly amusing insults, and as such should be admired.
One thing I have noticed on this forum is that the better photographers deliver the better insults.
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Well, if Dick's antiquated I'm probably antedeluvian
I think my comment sprang from the fact that I clipped a church tower just a teensy bit too tight to the top of the frame a couple of weeks back. I couldn't stand the proportions of the damned thing, and so I ended up spending two and a half hours last night adding half an inch to the top of the print, cloning the sky back in, and re-building the top of one pinnacle. So if it isn't classically composed, it just jars with me.
John
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I don’t understand how stating that “your way of thinking is antiquated” is not a personal attack. Also, I don’t understand how “anal type of attitude” does not refer to a person. On the other hand, stating something like “the rules you posted are antiquated and such type of rules held back photography for a long time” would not be a personal attack.
Okay, so I don’t understand how words like “thinking” and “anal attitude” don’t refer to a person, but I’ve been overruled. End of story.
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Again it wasn't at the critique and it wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation. Dick Roadnight understands what I'm saying and I understand what he's saying, you're the only one that seems to be offended so let it rest.
I did not want to waste space on the forum discussing it, but...
It obviously was a personal attack, and I was offended, and I am not happy to let it rest without an apology... but it seems that you have not got what it takes...
PS I am going to be away from my computer for about a week from tomorrow.
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