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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Rick_Allen on April 13, 2010, 08:42:22 am
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Check them Tech specs page not updated yet.
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ (http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/)
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Nice option on the 15": Optional 15.4-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit widescreen display with 1680 by 1050 pixels (glossy or antiglare)
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Yeah and it got that awesome sd card reader.
Wonder if the 4mb L3 cache is going to be enough?
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Yeah and it got that awesome sd card reader.
I will not buy one specifically because they completely wasted a position for a slot. If they aren't going to put an Express 34 there, then they should put in another USB 2.0 or Firewire 800.
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Yeah and it got that awesome sd card reader.
Works great for my M8 and dsIII sd cards.
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The new MacBook Pro lacks:
- USB 3
- Display port v.1.2 (you can’t currently run a 30” without an $99 adaptor, while this was possible on a 3 years old MBP)
- and I’m pretty sure no SATA 3 and the firewire voltage on the 17” is 9.8v. which is below Apple’s own standard - we will know in a day or two…
God knows, that Apple had plenty of time to bring the MBP up to current standards. This computer is a two year old computer with a refreshed cpu. I would think it's an embarrassment for any company that asks top prices for their products and speaks about themselves as the second coming to introduce a product like this to the market.
erghh, now I sound like a grumpy old man again.
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- Blu Ray burner for those high-res raw files.
The new MacBook Pro lacks:
- USB 3
- Display port v.1.2 (you can’t currently run a 30” without an $99 adaptor, while this was possible on a 3 years old MBP)
- and I’m pretty sure no SATA 3 and the firewire voltage on the 17” is 9.8v. which is below Apple’s own standard - we will know in a day or two…
God knows, that Apple had plenty of time to bring the MBP up to current standards. This computer is a two year old computer with a refreshed cpu. I would think it's an embarrassment for any company that asks top prices for their products and speaks about themselves as the second coming to introduce a product like this to the market.
erghh, now I sound like a grumpy old man again.
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Pluses and minuses:
+ 8hr battery life
+ 1680x1050 LCD
+ Core i7
+ 512GB SSD option (but which controller: Indilinx, SandForce, Samsung?)
- no USB 3.0
- no quad-core i7
- no express card slot
- still only 8GB RAM
- no BluRay burner
Interesting, but would be nice to see just a little more.....
David
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i seriously miss most a quad core version.
most likely it will come in one year ... and so i will go on one year longer with my old6gb ram ,
2x 2,2ghz, 50gb ssd slot drive
15" mbp, which now has over three years but still running good.
good to save some money if not much need to spend it.
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Yep.
Buy the equivalent Dell [Precision M6500 mobile workstation, I think].
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Sigh, Where in the world are the new Macpro models? they are long overdue.
Also everyone knows the i7 in these are the dual core Arrandale right? Not quads.
Just noticed Rainer pointed out no quadcores.... helps if I pay attention.
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I placed my order 17in i7 now I need to wait for the macpro, very over due my g5 is waiting to retire. Its been out longer then any other tower.
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I retired my G5 in January and swapped everything over to my 15-inch Macbook Pro, the previous core duo version with the express card slot. While it's very convenient to have everything with me all the time, it's nowhere near as fast as a Mac Pro.
However, I am very tempted to get a new 17-inch i7 and use it as my primary machine, hooked up to a big display in the studio, and all by itself on the road. I can get an eSATA card and hook up some big external drives for data and scratch. Hmmm, very tempting. I do note that it only has one FW800 slot, and no FW400 slot -- they could have given me two FW and two USB, which is what I have on my current MBP. Oh well.
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I saw someone mentioning lower firewire power.
We use the MBP to shoot tethered with the Leaf aptusII backs, will that be a problem ?
It works flawless now on the MBP17" previous version.
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Actually doesn't look that impressive.... I like that the hard drive is user replaceable! I think the last couple models have had under spec Fw wattage.
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purchased the 17inch i7 with high res anti glare screen and 8gb memory..... installed all needed software.... have had it for 3 weeks and used it only for a couple of minutes.... screen colors are amazing (out of the box without color calibration) and detail is fantastic.
I have to buy an adaptor to be able to use my fw 400 tethered camera znd make it a fw800
Will update after shoot how the experience was....
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purchased the 17inch i7 with high res anti glare screen and 8gb memory..... installed all needed software.... have had it for 3 weeks and used it only for a couple of minutes.... screen colors are amazing (out of the box without color calibration) and detail is fantastic.
I have to buy an adaptor to be able to use my fw 400 tethered camera znd make it a fw800
Will update after shoot how the experience was....
nicolaad we make a 400-800 FW cable that might work better than using an adapter
cheers, yair
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I think the last couple models have had under spec Fw wattage.
I got a 15" with the high res anti glare screen and SSD hard drive. Programs open lighting quick which is fantastic and the high res screen has the same resolution as my 21" eizo (looks weird when they are side by side, but the extra rez is welcome). Maybe its me but color seems more accurate too. FW wattage has been under spec since the MBP was first introduced.. so I don't mind that so much. Processor speed is a nice bump over the core2duo, though not quite as fast as I had hoped having seen the i7 iMacs. Over all its a welcome update.
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Towers?!!! Where's Towers?!!! Current lineup is 444 days old. Stupid Jobs and his stupid iPad, can we get some friggin COMPUTERS?!!!
Ok. Maybe I'm a little annoyed about this.
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I am also waiting for a new tower, but I did just get a 17inch i7.
Its a good thing I have 2 computers and a cinema display on location. I set up the new macbook and tested with DB. When I was on location the Aptus back would not connect? I ended up shooting on the other computer. I proceed out the job on the macbook and have to say it is much faster then the first Macbook pro's. I want to get a a express card to add 2 more firewire ports. The other strange design is my apple mouse cord is to short to reach around to the usb plugs on the left side of the computer.
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Towers?!!! Where's Towers?!!! Current lineup is 444 days old. Stupid Jobs and his stupid iPad, can we get some friggin COMPUTERS?!!!
Ok. Maybe I'm a little annoyed about this.
After so long, I think they are just ****ing with us at this point
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I am also waiting for a new tower, but I did just get a 17inch i7.
Its a good thing I have 2 computers and a cinema display on location. I set up the new macbook and tested with DB. When I was on location the Aptus back would not connect? I ended up shooting on the other computer. I proceed out the job on the macbook and have to say it is much faster then the first Macbook pro's. I want to get a a express card to add 2 more firewire ports. The other strange design is my apple mouse cord is to short to reach around to the usb plugs on the left side of the computer.
Ah, so it's true, the firewire port is underpowered!
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Ah, so it's true, the firewire port is underpowered!
I ordered the 17" three days ago, hope to receive it next week.
Will test the AptusII7 right away, if it doesn't work I'm afraid I'm stuck with my old 17" MBP forever
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I ordered the 17" three days ago, hope to receive it next week.
Will test the AptusII7 right away, if it doesn't work I'm afraid I'm stuck with my old 17" MBP forever
You are not necessarily stuck with the old MBP. A firewire repeater with at least 9.6 V should be able to make up for the lack of proper power from your laptop. For my older Aptus 22, I was able to tether to my MBP by using a Laird LTM-FDR repeater. That one won't work for you as it is Firewire 400 rather than Firewire 800, but I am sure you can find one that will work for you.
This is a kludgy solution, but it does work. We can only hope that Apple will decide to support Firewire properly in its future pro laptops.
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I ordered the 17" three days ago, hope to receive it next week.
Will test the AptusII7 right away, if it doesn't work I'm afraid I'm stuck with my old 17" MBP forever
This is exactly why I ordered the 15" with the highres antiglare screen and the i7. Do you really need a 17"? I always found it too big but ofcourse YMMV. I just wished I would have bought the OWC SSD instead of the Crucial.
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Yeah I really want the 17" on location when teaching workshops every inch helps.
A repeater won't help me because I often run without power on location, so when the firewire is indeed under powered the laptop will be returned I'm afraid (hope that's possible with the antiglare special order).
On the other hand, the same story was going round with the previous 17" and that one runs just fine.
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Working with my I7 since this week, with glossy screen, great macine, no beachballs anymore, just ordered a 150 Hypermac external battery for more energy.
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Working with my I7 since this week, with glossy screen, great macine, no beachballs anymore, just ordered a 150 Hypermac external battery for more energy.
No problems with a digital back ?
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Working with my I7 since this week, with glossy screen, great macine, no beachballs anymore,
No beachballs? OK, I'm sold. Every time I open more than a few files in ACR on my old Macbook Pro, I have to sit and stare at beachballs with Every. Single. Adjustment. Gets old fast.
With any luck the new 17-inch i7 will arrive next week.
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Yeah I really want the 17" on location when teaching workshops every inch helps.
A repeater won't help me because I often run without power on location, so when the firewire is indeed under powered the laptop will be returned I'm afraid (hope that's possible with the antiglare special order).
On the other hand, the same story was going round with the previous 17" and that one runs just fine.
You can power the firewire repeater with a battery pack, enabling you to work on location. It adds another level of annoyance, but it does work.
I really wish Leaf had allowed people to tether and use battery power simultaneously, as Phase does, or that Apple would be more consistent in providing sufficient power from their firewire ports.
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working with my 15" on lacation great for downloading files or exporting
but way too slow for any photoshop grunt
really feel apple is not supporting the people anymore, who supported them in the beginning;
all the creatives from designers to photographer
for the pro end they do things too slow and too little
from un-calibratable screens to computers that are way behind compared to competitors
i think more and more they will go the mass market route ipod, iphone, ipad and ilaptops
great for the facebook-skype generation!
still i am a sucker for the ease, the slick design and the marketing look
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really feel apple is not supporting the people anymore, who supported them in the beginning;
all the creatives from designers to photographer
It's true, they've focused on a broader consumer based market. But that's the reason they're still in business. Had they kept the emphasis on the 'Pro' market they wouldn't have as many new Mac sales, those that are driven by PC users who got an iPod or iPhone and it gave them an introduction to the Apple approach to technology.
for the pro end they do things too slow and too little
from un-calibratable screens to computers that are way behind compared to competitors
They stopped trying to compete in the Monitor business because that market segmented heavily. Low buck Samsungs in the aisle at Costco and high-res color accurate systems that serve a very limited market. Both segments of the market are tuff to make a profit in.
i think more and more they will go the mass market route ipod, iphone, ipad and ilaptops
great for the facebook-skype generation!
You meant to say, they have gone to and will continue to serve the mass consumer market.
Be thankful for that. It's allowed them to buy a number of companies and move them away from complete dependence on Intel and the like. They're not there yet, but that's the clearly the path they're taking.I think the best Pro machines are still to come, and with fewer component shortages to hold them back.
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I am also waiting for a new tower, but I did just get a 17inch i7.
Its a good thing I have 2 computers and a cinema display on location. I set up the new macbook and tested with DB. When I was on location the Aptus back would not connect? I ended up shooting on the other computer. I proceed out the job on the macbook and have to say it is much faster then the first Macbook pro's. I want to get a a express card to add 2 more firewire ports. The other strange design is my apple mouse cord is to short to reach around to the usb plugs on the left side of the computer.
Rant below...
I have the 2 old macbook pro- core 2 duo. The graphics card went last nov. and apple installed a new motherbooard even though it was 8 mo. out of warranty
The lack of 3/4 slot in newer mac book pros is a major concern as the this computer backs up my 8 core mac pro. I need the external raid hardrives driven through the e-sata card. We are being driven to buy the 17in just to get the 3/4 slot. A step in the wrong directions for apple in treating the professional media community.
The battery on my Mac book had to be replaced after 1.5 years, fine but the real problem is the dicky do power brick. Just too easy to fray. My sons and I have stacks of dead bricks from previous models of macbook pro and macbooks. They are not built to a professioanl standard and there is no battleship 3rd party alternative. A very weak link indeed. I would pay real money for a well engineered alternative but the lack of the 3/4 slot in the 15 inch line has me looking real hard at windows based books- and I am a very dedicated apple person.
Currently my son, almost finished a degree in computer engineering, is shaking his head every time I buy a mac (like my i7 27 in mac last month) and he was weaned on mac. I can't video skype him because the powerbrick on his mac pro just died. His current HP book, supplied by a company he works for, has no video but otherwise works to a professioal standard).
Apple has its mind on the rollout of these cute and useless ipads and is slowly abandoning the professional media community to attract the hordes to glitzy poorly designed bling (iphones and i pads) Their stock is worth investing in,the hordes do spend wildly- but they are ignoring their roots in superb and robust design standards with totally integrated software.
Lastly my son has been working on a video project on my 8 core mac pro with the latest latest final cut pro . It is so buggy-- crashes at the worst times- and he knows software. It really goes to molasses if you try to edit full HD so we opt to stick to the SD format.
I know I am ranting...but I am becoming very frustrated with Apple.
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Apple has its mind on the rollout of these cute and useless ipads and is slowly abandoning the professional media community to attract the hordes to glitzy poorly designed bling (iphones and i pads)
Only thing is that the pro media community, specifically designers and photographers were/ are the first to buy those glitzy bling bling gadgets....
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By the way, can the new 13 inch version run Phocus?
A nice small laptop for on location tethering would be nice.
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Mini Update on the new MPB
http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16826 (http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16826)
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Only thing is that the pro media community, specifically designers and photographers were/ are the first to buy those glitzy bling bling gadgets....
We know. Don't rub it in. I just got message my spanking new i7 15"MBP has been shipped The only remaining dilemma is whether I shall get another SSD or whether I shall replace the DVD drive with a bracket with a 2nd SSD...
You know what?
I will hold off a bit longer on my next MFDB to make up for this new laptop
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Only thing is that the pro media community, specifically designers and photographers were/ are the first to buy those glitzy bling bling gadgets....
True, and Apple can drive us all crazy, but you have to remember, some machines we produce work with, some machines we use to procure work and at this stage procuring is equally as important as producing.
If someone had told me 10 years ago that I could walk into a client's office, with one single flat device and show a "print" portfolio, video, interactive imagery, estimates, creative treatments on one wireless device I would have laughed.
Now the I-pad may not be the standard and obviously it's I-pad version 1, but this device will make me more money than any imaging computer in my studio.
Since we're in a transitional phase of our industry it won't always replace a printed portfolio and obviously is not the machine to tether large images to, but to not own one and know it's true potential is like not knowing how to drive a car in L.A.
You can do it, but your gonna miss a lot.
BC
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I am looking to replace my Tower. Today, a response arrived from a very trusted source. He said that the WWDC is June 7-11, and good chance something nice to be announced then. He advised me to sit tight.
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Rant below...
I have the 2 old macbook pro- core 2 duo. The graphics card went last nov. and apple installed a new motherbooard even though it was 8 mo. out of warranty
The lack of 3/4 slot in newer mac book pros is a major concern as the this computer backs up my 8 core mac pro. I need the external raid hardrives driven through the e-sata card. We are being driven to buy the 17in just to get the 3/4 slot. A step in the wrong directions for apple in treating the professional media community.
The battery on my Mac book had to be replaced after 1.5 years, fine but the real problem is the dicky do power brick. Just too easy to fray. My sons and I have stacks of dead bricks from previous models of macbook pro and macbooks. They are not built to a professioanl standard and there is no battleship 3rd party alternative. A very weak link indeed. I would pay real money for a well engineered alternative but the lack of the 3/4 slot in the 15 inch line has me looking real hard at windows based books- and I am a very dedicated apple person.
Currently my son, almost finished a degree in computer engineering, is shaking his head every time I buy a mac (like my i7 27 in mac last month) and he was weaned on mac. I can't video skype him because the powerbrick on his mac pro just died. His current HP book, supplied by a company he works for, has no video but otherwise works to a professioal standard).
Apple has its mind on the rollout of these cute and useless ipads and is slowly abandoning the professional media community to attract the hordes to glitzy poorly designed bling (iphones and i pads) Their stock is worth investing in,the hordes do spend wildly- but they are ignoring their roots in superb and robust design standards with totally integrated software.
Lastly my son has been working on a video project on my 8 core mac pro with the latest latest final cut pro . It is so buggy-- crashes at the worst times- and he knows software. It really goes to molasses if you try to edit full HD so we opt to stick to the SD format.
I know I am ranting...but I am becoming very frustrated with Apple.
I do too.
Mac are each time cheaper here, but they are each time worst. What is really expensive is their gadgets.
Pc are each time better, even windows is improoving while Apple seems to focus in other stuff.
mmm...
I runned both Pc and Mac and years ago I was using 95% Mac, now it's been a long time since I have not touched a Mac.
Maybe it's just me, or maybe not...
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...and,
I even take the risk of introducing a funny idea.
Remember the tethered crashes? that has been reported several times in Lu-La.
Well, I don't really know but it would be interesting to check if that is also happening with last pc generations.
Maybe it's not C1, maybe it is not ports, cables etc...
Just in case.
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Anybody know if the Apple stores ever have the anti glare computers in stock or is it custom ordering only?
I am going to the US in June and wanted to pick up the new 17 inch pro but want antiglare which they do not sell in my country...
Thanks for any help and the 17 inch are i5 and not i7 core right?
Thank you
Snook
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Eric, I think you can order them with i7's. Probably 2 or 3 hundred more.
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Is it worth the 400.00 to upgrade to 8 gigs of ram vs. The 4 gigs that come standard??
I use mainly C1 and photoshop cs5..
Will I notice a "Big" difference??
Thanks...
Going to order the 17 inch i7 with faster hardrive and anti glare screen...
Thanks!!!
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Eric, get yourself the OWC SSD drive instead of the Apple one if you mean SSD with fast drive. I have my i7 with antiglare highres screen for a week. I have to get used to the different screen and the different size of everything on it but I really love the machine. Crazy fast with the SSD. I have 4gb, maybe I get it upped to 8 eventually. The faster drive is more important to me.
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Anybody know if the Apple stores ever have the anti glare computers in stock or is it custom ordering only?
I am going to the US in June and wanted to pick up the new 17 inch pro but want antiglare which they do not sell in my country...
Thanks for any help and the 17 inch are i5 and not i7 core right?
Thank you
Snook
I don't like the gloss screens, but you really need to compare them "calibrated".
The anti glare screen is not a matte screen, it's kind of like somebody took the glass off and put a matte film over the screen.
I don't do a lot of critical work on the powerbook, but even calibrated every which way you can, the anti glare screen is kind of goofy and if you move the screen 4 degrees up or down the image goes from 1 stop under to 1 stop brighter.
I have both a gloss and an anti glare and I find the gloss (though annoying) more reliable.
BC
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I have both a gloss and an anti glare and I find the gloss (though annoying) more reliable.
I think I would agree with you.
I think the gloss more reliable and consistent, no matter the viewing angle. But I fear I'd have to retouch only at night, in a black room, wearing my black cape and black turtleneck, and my Al Jolsen look, in order to not sit there and see my face in the monitor all night. Not good.
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FWIW, I got a 15", anti-glare, with the SSD drive. Custom assembled in China. Had it a week, goofiness internally with USB port malfunction, and maybe a board issue. Sent it back to Apple - normally very good service. It is now between Service and Engineering, and 2+ weeks later, still not back. Neat machine, plenty fast in C1 with 4 gb ram, but sure would like to have the machine back.
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Ordered a 13". Spent the weekend seeing it languishing in Anchorage Alaska; watched Deadliest Catch episodes, just to feel "closer" to it.
gawd - i need a life......
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I think I would agree with you.
I think the gloss more reliable and consistent, no matter the viewing angle. But I fear I'd have to retouch only at night, in a black room, wearing my black cape and black turtleneck, and my Al Jolsen look, in order to not sit there and see my face in the monitor all night. Not good.
The glossy glare thing can be weird, especially if you've worked on matte screen forever, though we worked on crt's with glass and didn't mind.
I just bought a new 27" I mac and it has a glossy screen. I thought about adding another desktop but the cost savings is good and it travels a lot easier.
I think the screen is beautiful and much better than my 30" mac screen, which I just sent in and had refurbished.
As far as the powerbooks, I just don't like the anti glare thing. It just seems kind of milky to me, but maybe that's my profile.
I know clients dig the glossy one, though they don't have to stare into it until 3 am.
Edit.
I have two of the 24" white Imacs we use for tethering, (or use to) and they don't go dark to light as you move your head, but compared to the new 27" I mac the screen looks dull and old.
BC
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The glossy glare thing can be weird, especially if you've worked on matte screen forever, though we worked on crt's with glass and didn't mind.
I just bought a new 27" I mac and it has a glossy screen. I thought about adding another desktop but the cost savings is good and it travels a lot easier.
I think the screen is beautiful and much better than my 30" mac screen, which I just sent in and had refurbished.
As far as the powerbooks, I just don't like the anti glare thing. It just seems kind of milky to me, but maybe that's my profile.
I know clients dig the glossy one, though they don't have to stare into it until 3 am.
Edit.
I have two of the 24" white Imacs we use for tethering, (or use to) and they don't go dark to light as you move your head, but compared to the new 27" I mac the screen looks dull and old.
BC
is the new anti-glare the same quality than the older LED screen on the 15" mbps or is it worse?
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I know this has been discussed for years, but I still wonder about this whole Monitor Calibration approach, and this $1200 Eye One device sitting here by my desk. I have four or five Macs, and each one of them is officially "calibrated" by EyeOne Match, but they all look a bit different. I have seen those new glossy Imac 27's, and it's beyond colorful and saturated. So much so, they feel like video games or something, they're so bright and snappy.
I just still wonder, after all these years, when I run this EyeOneMatch3 on these Macs, what it's really doing, and if everyone reading this post took their Mac and lined it up along everyone else's Mac, on a really long table, and we all opened the same Photoshop TIFF, would the images all look the same, if they were all calibrated?
I've always wanted the Brightness slider bar to be turned off, so that manually, you can't alter it. I want only the EyeOne Match to determine Brightness, if we truly all are trying to hit a Universal Sweet Spot of monitor conditions. There seem to be so many ways to invalidate a supposed calibrated monitor, you just wonder if the whole thing is Snake Oil.
This new unibody 17 MBP has these weird intense blues. Very pumped up. But it's calibrated, yet the blues don't turn down. How accurate can all this be?
I just printed my portfolios using ICC profiles: Adobe98 going to Epson Exhibition paper. Even then, the prints were darker, and more saturated. I had to do a SaveAs File, for each image, and then sit here and manually tweak each image, using an old timey curve and Saturation, in order to get it to look right. Is this a calibrated workflow? Surely not. Softproofing helps, but even then, I rarely get very close at all, to what the monitor is telling me that I'm going to get.
Sometimes it amazes me that all this stuff works as well as it does, sending files across the country, and around the world, without Kodak Approvals.
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I know this has been discussed for years, but I still wonder about this whole Monitor Calibration approach, and this $1200 Eye One device sitting here by my desk. I have four or five Macs, and each one of them is officially "calibrated" by EyeOne Match, but they all look a bit different. I have seen those new glossy Imac 27's, and it's beyond colorful and saturated. So much so, they feel like video games or something, they're so bright and snappy.
I just still wonder, after all these years, when I run this EyeOneMatch3 on these Macs, what it's really doing, and if everyone reading this post took their Mac and lined it up along everyone else's Mac, on a really long table, and we all opened the same Photoshop TIFF, would the images all look the same, if they were all calibrated?
I've always wanted the Brightness slider bar to be turned off, so that manually, you can't alter it. I want only the EyeOne Match to determine Brightness, if we truly all are trying to hit a Universal Sweet Spot of monitor conditions. There seem to be so many ways to invalidate a supposed calibrated monitor, you just wonder if the whole thing is Snake Oil.
This new unibody 17 MBP has these weird intense blues. Very pumped up. But it's calibrated, yet the blues don't turn down. How accurate can all this be?
I just printed my portfolios using ICC profiles: Adobe98 going to Epson Exhibition paper. Even then, the prints were darker, and more saturated. I had to do a SaveAs File, for each image, and then sit here and manually tweak each image, using an old timey curve and Saturation, in order to get it to look right. Is this a calibrated workflow? Surely not. Softproofing helps, but even then, I rarely get very close at all, to what the monitor is telling me that I'm going to get.
Sometimes it amazes me that all this stuff works as well as it does, sending files across the country, and around the world, without Kodak Approvals.
Yes, I know what you mean. I have seen the same thing with my various screens. I have also noticed it differs whether you calibrate with an EyeOne or a SpyderPro. On the same screen! WTF! Also after calibrating with the SpyderPro it show a before and after. For some reason it appears to be always the same difference no matter what screen I have calibrated.
I have calibrated all my screens and do so regularly. Fortunately the EyeOne allows you to turn off the brightness slider bar which is indeed a function that I use (I thought that was a function in MacOs?). The primary reason I calibrate my screens are: peace of mind en to cover my ass.
It is amazing and it works out well in most cases especially with print but for web usage all bets are off. How many screens are calibrated? I have noticed most peoples screens are way too blue (makes the white of their office applications seem whiter), I have had clients insisting on delivering files way too yellow solely to compensate for this. So where do you go for in that case? 'Correct colors' or to aim to get it across with the majority of viewers?
Anyway, I think the antigloss screen on the new MBP is pretty good, though I a really need some time to get used to the new size being so used to the previous 15"'s screen.
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I know this has been discussed for years, but I still wonder about this whole Monitor Calibration approach, and this $1200 Eye One device sitting here by my desk. I have four or five Macs, and each one of them is officially "calibrated" by EyeOne Match, but they all look a bit different. I have seen those new glossy Imac 27's, and it's beyond colorful and saturated. So much so, they feel like video games or something, they're so bright and snappy.
I just still wonder, after all these years, when I run this EyeOneMatch3 on these Macs, what it's really doing, and if everyone reading this post took their Mac and lined it up along everyone else's Mac, on a really long table, and we all opened the same Photoshop TIFF, would the images all look the same, if they were all calibrated?
I've always wanted the Brightness slider bar to be turned off, so that manually, you can't alter it. I want only the EyeOne Match to determine Brightness, if we truly all are trying to hit a Universal Sweet Spot of monitor conditions. There seem to be so many ways to invalidate a supposed calibrated monitor, you just wonder if the whole thing is Snake Oil.
This new unibody 17 MBP has these weird intense blues. Very pumped up. But it's calibrated, yet the blues don't turn down. How accurate can all this be?
I just printed my portfolios using ICC profiles: Adobe98 going to Epson Exhibition paper. Even then, the prints were darker, and more saturated. I had to do a SaveAs File, for each image, and then sit here and manually tweak each image, using an old timey curve and Saturation, in order to get it to look right. Is this a calibrated workflow? Surely not. Softproofing helps, but even then, I rarely get very close at all, to what the monitor is telling me that I'm going to get.
Sometimes it amazes me that all this stuff works as well as it does, sending files across the country, and around the world, without Kodak Approvals.
Actually it's easy to explain.
When you calibrate your monitor the analyzer will make the monitor look as close as possible to the lab table.
However there is no minotor in the world that can display the lab values perfectly so in reality all monitors will look different. Some will have stronger reds, some will have stronger blues.
That's why for critical Photoshop or other color correction work it's important to get a minotor that will display close to a colorspace like the eizo/lacie/nec etc monitors that are for example 100% or 98% argb.
And even than two monitors will give slightly different results.
You could force a meter to calibrate to a colorspace that fits the colorspace of your monitor but I don't think that is possible with most analyzesprs and also not necessary in reality.
The most important thing about the calibration is that the so called colorspace is in balance to the black body curve and your chosen white point and gamma.
I advise people to calibrate to 130 cdm, gamma 2.2 and d6500 this way the monitor is well suited for both video and photo. For video however I often advise to make the preview monitor a consumer or pro panel with cms where the preview monitor is calibrated to the so called rec709 colorspace.
Colorcalibration in fact is really simple but due to the many different outcomes often gives a lot of confession. However what you should notice is that if a good monitor is used you will have similar shadow/white detail and similar balance on all, however some will show red more saturated some will not. This is not a fault but it's simply put the range of the monitor.
By the way for modern display with led backlights I do advise to pick up the eye1pro from xrite/gretac this is a so called spectrum radiometer, compared to the spyders etc which are tristimulus meter the e1pro often is better with led displays, with normal conventional CRT and led displays the difference is less visible but also there.
Also when your monitor supports hardware calibration with it's own analyzer, like the blue eye for lacie make sure you use that, often it has more bitrange to calibrate but most importantly the analyzer is being profiled to fit that monitors range.
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@dustbak,
Almost all tvs and monitors are too blue.
This done to make white whiter, adding blue to white will make it more white.
In fact on a correctly calibrated display white is a little reddish, often people think this is wrong and will adjust to make it whiter by adding blue.
I'm also an active ISF calibrator and the average amount of blue on most modern display is between 120-160 percent which in fact is shocking.
People however are used to it so they don't even notice it anymore, until you remove it and calibrate all colors to 100% immediately people will start to see an increase in color realness, depth and the image looks less strained.
The problem however is that most tv stations don't take this into account and broadcast simply put incorrect colors themselves, try to look at the same commercial on different channels, this drives some of my customers insane who are delivering the commercials
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Eric, get yourself the OWC SSD drive instead of the Apple one if you mean SSD with fast drive. I have my i7 with antiglare highres screen for a week. I have to get used to the different screen and the different size of everything on it but I really love the machine. Crazy fast with the SSD. I have 4gb, maybe I get it upped to 8 eventually. The faster drive is more important to me.
Thanks guys for the info...
Where I live the Anti glare does not get imported and my laptop is dead. Have the video card problem which I will take to the us and see if they fix it for free out of warranty like soo many others have luckily got done.
Will cross my fingers. meantime I will have to wait 3 weeks until I go to the US.
I kind of like the glossy contrasty screen and have never seen the anti'glare screen. Not sure if it is worth the wait though.
I usually retouch at night or dark room.
Sounds like some people do not think the anti glare is all that..._
In any case If I get desperate with out my laptop for a week I might just buy the local glossy screen which also does not come with i7 chip here.
is there a Big difference between the i5 and i7 chip on the 17 incher...
Thanks for any further suggestions.
Thanks again for all the good info.
Snook
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Tested Hasselblad555ELD/Aptus75s into friend's 100%battery-powered i7MBP17" 8GB/256SSD
via Leaf 10M Firewire 800 cable.
Pleasantly surprised C1 Pro 5.1.1 didn't hang up as did earlier version
when I shot non-stop for one minute.
Captured 41 frames....except last frame streamed in one minute afterwards.
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I don't like the gloss screens, but you really need to compare them "calibrated".
The anti glare screen is not a matte screen, it's kind of like somebody took the glass off and put a matte film over the screen.
I don't do a lot of critical work on the powerbook, but even calibrated every which way you can, the anti glare screen is kind of goofy and if you move the screen 4 degrees up or down the image goes from 1 stop under to 1 stop brighter.
I have both a gloss and an anti glare and I find the gloss (though annoying) more reliable.
BC
I agree with this. I just upgraded to the 15" i7 and 8G RAM with 7200 500G spinner. I removed the optical drive and installed an OWC enterprize SSD which houses my OS and apps, the spinner houses images. This machine is for editing on the road, so based on everybody's comments about "preferring" the mat display for editing on the road, I chose it on this build. My last machine was 3 years old, and then when I compared them, I definitely preferred the look of the glossy display and went with that. My editing and CM results were very good for a laptop -- much of the time I didn't require any re-edits on my desktop. This time, the mat display's better handling of reflections and similar relative sharpness, at least as viewed in the store, had me opt for it.
Unfortunately I think it was a mistake, but I've only had it about 3 weeks so maybe I'll get used to it. For sure viewing angle is hyper critical when editing on the mat display --- a few degrees off axis up or down and contrast changes SIGNIFICANTLY. Seriously, maybe you +/- 5 degrees before things go South. Side-side is not bad, having a comfortable enough range. So now I edit and bob my head up and down to make sure I'm really seeing what I'm supposed to be seeing. If I had to do it again, I'd probably choose to deal with the glare as I had with the previous unit. I have a workshop coming up next week where it will get a good workout, so we'll see...
PS: The mat screen is a bitch to clean too.
My .02,
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For sure viewing angle is hyper critical when editing on the mat display --- a few degrees off axis up or down and contrast changes SIGNIFICANTLY. Seriously, maybe you +/- 5 degrees before things go South. Side-side is not bad, having a comfortable enough range. So now I edit and bob my head up and down to make sure I'm really seeing what I'm supposed to be seeing.
PS: The mat screen is a bitch to clean too.
Would this Viewing Angle Gauge (http://www.acratech.net/product.php?productid=70) help?
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Would this Viewing Angle Gauge (http://www.acratech.net/product.php?productid=70) help?
My point was more along the lines of it's absolutely ridiculous somebody even needed to invent that device for use on a high-end laptop... But yes, it would probably help if one were inclined to mount such a device on their svelt unibody aluminum-cased Macbook Pro.
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I know of one 17" panel that's 8-bit and IPS-type
as compared to typical 6-bit and TN-type.
Hoping it's compatible with Apple 17" MBPs.
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@Billy,
Is that 41 frames in a burst and it took only one minute to get them in ?
That would be good news.
With Leaf Capture I'm getting about that speed.
With C1 for 20-30 frames it will take several minutes before everything comes in (AptusII7)
But that's the old MBP17" 2009
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@Billy,
Is that 41 frames in a burst and it took only one minute to get them in ?
That would be good news.
With Leaf Capture I'm getting about that speed.
With C1 for 20-30 frames it will take several minutes before everything comes in (AptusII7)
But that's the old MBP17" 2009
Correct, I fired as fast as the Aptus 75s would allow for one minute.
It took one more minute for all the captures to completely stream in.
Surprisingly fast due to i7-8GB DDR3-256GB SSD
Just a few days earlier it took upwards of three minutes to completely stream in
tethered into Leaf Capture on Core Duo MBP17" 2.16GHz-2GB DDR2-120GB 5400rpm hard drive
Big leap in specs and performance.
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Great, at the moment I'm back to LC again because on my MBP C1 is just a bit too slow.
I ordered the i5 by the way.
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What i don't like in the 17" is that it don't fit in the regular plane seats, a Location where i usually like to work on my mbp
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For C1 fans I can tell you from going from my duo core 2.93 machine to the I7 Core machine I did gain a 30 percent increase in processing speed and this is with the same SSD drive and 8gbs of ram. Although I have sold that SSD drive and now running a OWC 200gb SSD extreme drive in the system with obviously 8gb of ram. Just for the record i dropped the dual core and destroyed that laptop but took the same ram and SSD drive and put it in the I7 core and came up with a 30 percent increase in processing speed. So same ram and drive
This system is actually running 2 drives with SSD in the optical bay and a 500gb 7200 spinning drive in the hard drive space allotted for it. Been running like this for a long time on the dual core and now the I7 box.
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Update:
My problem has been solved. The problem is the Leaf live video dongle. When I remove the dongle it works fine. If I disconnect the back plug in the dongle and reconnect everything works fine.
I am also waiting for a new tower, but I did just get a 17inch i7.
Its a good thing I have 2 computers and a cinema display on location. I set up the new macbook and tested with DB. When I was on location the Aptus back would not connect? I ended up shooting on the other computer. I proceed out the job on the macbook and have to say it is much faster then the first Macbook pro's. I want to get a a express card to add 2 more firewire ports. The other strange design is my apple mouse cord is to short to reach around to the usb plugs on the left side of the computer.