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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Digital Image Processing => Topic started by: gmitchel on November 01, 2009, 08:51:41 pm
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I just finished a new Photoshop CS4 panel. This one is for capture sharpening. It comes with twenty presets. You an add your own. You can select from four different mask widths and five different classes of digital cameras/scanners.
The sharpener works with RGB, CMYK, L*a*b, and Grayscale.
In addition to the traditional luminosity mask, you can also generate enhanced masks for better detail.
The panel only works with Photoshop CS4. You can dock it, just like the Adjustments and Masks panels.
You have complete control over the USM settings, layer blend, layer opacity, and Blend If settings for the ultimate in control over the sharpening effect.
This is a free download for the digital photography community. I hope people find it helpful.
Comments and suggestions will be appreciated.
http://www.thelightsright.com/TLRProCaptureSharpeningPanel (http://www.thelightsright.com/TLRProCaptureSharpeningPanel)
Cheers,
Mitch
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Nothing in life is "free", as one finds out by visiting your site, where there is a prominent link asking people who download your materials to contribute to the maintenance of the service. That part is legitimate, but calling your stuff "free" on this website is a bit of a stretch, because you've set things up such that we shouldn't simply ignore the moral urge you create to pay the amount you recommend for what we take. I think in web lingo this is called "donation-ware" or something of the sort - whatever it's more to the point than "free".
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Nothing in life is "free", as one finds out by visiting your site, where there is a prominent link asking people who download your materials to contribute to the maintenance of the service. That part is legitimate, but calling your stuff "free" on this website is a bit of a stretch, because you've set things up such that we shouldn't simply ignore the moral urge you create to pay the amount you recommend for what we take. I think in web lingo this is called "donation-ware" or something of the sort - whatever it's more to the point than "free".
Don't feel under any moral urge whatsoever, Mark. Feel free to download anything you like. Can't afford my eBook/video on sharpening (the only thing for sale on my site), and I'll give free access to the electronic download. Geesh!
I don't litter my site with advertisements, stick ads in the middle of articles, or even make a plea for a donation in the .ZIP file that you download.
Even the Luminous Landscape has a donate link.
Here's my comments on the attitude you represent:
http://www.thelightsright.com/WhereDoesTheMoneyGo (http://www.thelightsright.com/WhereDoesTheMoneyGo)
The download is free! To anyone! There's no misrepresentation there at all.
When you buy a dedicated server and pay a couple of hundred dollars a month for Internet access, GoToMeeting, etc. then come talk to me about high and proud you are about not having a donation button.
I give freely to the digital photography community. Everything I can afford. Why do you feel compelled to diminish that?
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Glenn, great site and thank you for creating these handy panels for CS4. Donation on its way. Keep up the good work!
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Glenn, great site and thank you for creating these handy panels for CS4. Donation on its way. Keep up the good work!
I hope you find the panels helpful! They have many hours of work.
Three more sharpening panels are on their way. They're creative sharpeners: portrait sharpener, landscape sharpener, and textured surface sharpener. That will finish the sharpening panel collection. Then I can get to work on better documentation and some videos to demonstrate them.
Enjoy!
Mitch
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Don't feel under any moral urge whatsoever, Mark. Feel free to download anything you like. Can't afford my eBook/video on sharpening (the only thing for sale on my site), and I'll give free access to the electronic download. Geesh!
I don't litter my site with advertisements, stick ads in the middle of articles, or even make a plea for a donation in the .ZIP file that you download.
Even the Luminous Landscape has a donate link.
Here's my comments on the attitude you represent:
http://www.thelightsright.com/WhereDoesTheMoneyGo (http://www.thelightsright.com/WhereDoesTheMoneyGo)
The download is free! To anyone! There's no misrepresentation there at all.
When you buy a dedicated server and pay a couple of hundred dollars a month for Internet access, GoToMeeting, etc. then come talk to me about high and proud you are about not having a donation button.
I give freely to the digital photography community. Everything I can afford. Why do you feel compelled to diminish that?
Why did I expect that kind of reaction?
As I said, I have no problem with the approach on your website whatsoever. All you are doing there is fine. I have no attitude about donations other than that if I wanted your software I would consider it most appropriate to make a donation.
My only point was about full disclosure in advertising.
Mark
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. . . you've set things up such that we shouldn't simply ignore the moral urge you create to pay the amount you recommend for what we take.
BTW, Mark, you're embellishing the truth. I have no recommended amount for a donation. Nor do I make personal pleas for donations, no matter how much time I spend with people by e-mail, on the phone, etc. I don't even feel comfortable answering questions about how much someone should contribute.
My site has drawn viewers from 176 countries in the last year. Not everyone can afford to make a contribution. Many people visit multiple sites and contribute to one. Etc.
I make no moral judgments about people who visit my site and do not donate.
99.9% of the resources on my site are free. You're welcome to download each and every one of them. And, if you (or anyone else) cannot afford the eBook/video because you're a student, pensioner, or low income, just ask and I'll give you access to the electronic download.
Cheers,
Mitch
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BTW, Mark, you're embellishing the truth. I have no recommended amount for a donation. Nor do I make personal pleas for donations, no matter how much time I spend with people by e-mail, on the phone, etc. I don't even feel comfortable answering questions about how much someone should contribute.
My site has drawn viewers from 176 countries in the last year. Not everyone can afford to make a contribution. Many people visit multiple sites and contribute to one. Etc.
I make no moral judgments about people who visit my site and do not donate.
99.9% of the resources on my site are free. You're welcome to download each and every one of them. And, if you (or anyone else) cannot afford the eBook/video because you're a student, pensioner, or low income, just ask and I'll give you access to the electronic download.
Cheers,
Mitch
OK Mitch - not to prolong this - but where I got the idea there is a recommended amount for a donation was what I read about the suggested 50 doillars when I clicked the Become a Benefactor link. As I say, in my opinion that's fine - I have no issue with any of that on your site. And I understand your position as explained above. One can always argue that material is free, and suporting the effort which provides it is a separate matter. I just have a hard time disassociating the two because I think such effort should be remunerated somehow, and its essentially commercial character seen as such. Nothing wrong with that. But I acknoweldge that others may see it differently and that's fine too. Peace.
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Cool. We're fine, Mark. I'd rather not distract people away from this tool with a political philosophy discussion.
It's my hope that lots of people will find this shrpening panel helpful. 200+ downloads since I posted it late last night.
I love the CS4 .SWF panel support. The user interface here is much superior to my sharpening actions and scripts. Dock the panel and use it anytime. Great!
Cheers,
Mitch
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MarkDS,
How about this page on your website:
http://markdsegal.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page3.html (http://markdsegal.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page3.html)
Under Other Articles and Contributions, the first article links to (*gasp!*) a product being offered for sale. I was expecting a PDF like the other articles on your website, not a direct link to "buy/request the book".
Seems a bit misleading to me. One has to wonder if you received any compensation for this (god forbid), and if so, why that isn't prominently displayed on your website, you know, in the interest of "full disclosure"?
It would seem it's only appropriate to link to a commercial endeavor when it is in YOUR best interests. Hmm...
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MarkDS,
How about this page on your website:
http://markdsegal.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page3.html (http://markdsegal.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page3.html)
Under Other Articles and Contributions, the first article links to (*gasp!*) a product being offered for sale. I was expecting a PDF like the other articles on your website, not a direct link to "buy/request the book".
Seems a bit misleading to me. One has to wonder if you received any compensation for this (god forbid), and if so, why that isn't prominently displayed on your website, you know, in the interest of "full disclosure"?
It would seem it's only appropriate to link to a commercial endeavor when it is in YOUR best interests. Hmm...
The purpose of that list is to inform readers what I've done, and to provide the material which either I generated and is not published elsewhere, or I provided elsewhere and is in the public domain without any legal encumbrance. The material in the book you refer to was written and copyrighted by Harald Johnson - I contributed to the research on film scanning resolution for three or four pages of the book as he acknowledged. I have very seldomly referenced even the existence of my website on this or any other forum, nor do I get one cent from Harald or his publisher if anyone happens to click that link and decides to order the book. The link is there for information about what I've done, period. There is simply no issue or analogy here whatsoever. My website - which people tell me is to my detriment - wasn't structured to generate a red-cent. So now that you understand the context, perhaps you will also understand that you are "barking up the wrong tree". Were I to take it commercial in any way, of course true to word it would be very transparent and up-front. Hope that clarifies things for you.
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Ohhh, phleaaase!!!
Nothing in life is "free", as one finds out by visiting your site, where there is a prominent link asking people who download your materials to contribute to the maintenance of the service. That part is legitimate, but calling your stuff "free" on this website is a bit of a stretch, because you've set things up such that we shouldn't simply ignore the moral urge you create to pay the amount you recommend for what we take. I think in web lingo this is called "donation-ware" or something of the sort - whatever it's more to the point than "free".
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I don't know why theres such a fuss over this. Yes the site asks for donations as do many others (including this one) but the downloads are free, theres no restriction, and donation means just that, you donate if you wish and can afford. Lets not forget theres a lot of time and effort gone into all the stuff available on the TLR's site.
I for one say thank you.
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I just finished a new Photoshop CS4 panel. This one is for capture sharpening. It comes with twenty presets. You an add your own. You can select from four different mask widths and five different classes of digital cameras/scanners.
The sharpener works with RGB, CMYK, L*a*b, and Grayscale.
In addition to the traditional luminosity mask, you can also generate enhanced masks for better detail.
The panel only works with Photoshop CS4. You can dock it, just like the Adjustments and Masks panels.
You have complete control over the USM settings, layer blend, layer opacity, and Blend If settings for the ultimate in control over the sharpening effect.
This is a free download for the digital photography community. I hope people find it helpful.
Comments and suggestions will be appreciated.
http://www.thelightsright.com/TLRProCaptureSharpeningPanel (http://www.thelightsright.com/TLRProCaptureSharpeningPanel)
Cheers,
Mitch
Mitch,
I find this very helpful. I don't know if it is the greatest, I am still evaluating it for my own use. But I commend you for offering it to the community for FREE.
Thanks
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Nothing in life is "free", as one finds out by visiting your site, where there is a prominent link asking people who download your materials to contribute to the maintenance of the service. That part is legitimate, but calling your stuff "free" on this website is a bit of a stretch, because you've set things up such that we shouldn't simply ignore the moral urge you create to pay the amount you recommend for what we take. I think in web lingo this is called "donation-ware" or something of the sort - whatever it's more to the point than "free".
Funny, I was able to download a few of the actions and scripts for free. Bloody semantics. NOBODY is shamed or hounded to donate.
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The purpose of that list is to inform readers what I've done, and to provide the material which either I generated and is not published elsewhere, or I provided elsewhere and is in the public domain without any legal encumbrance.
Folks, just to be PERFECTLY clear about this issue...
"MarkDS" is a regular and consistant (and useful) contributor to this forum in terms of "useful" forum posts as well as "free" articles posted on and hosted by Michael here on LuLa...
To compare and contrast, simply look at the total accumulated useful posts make by the member named "gmitchel" and compare that to the number of useful posts made by the member named "MarkDS".
Seriously, if you have ANY doubt about who is a committed and useful member of the LuLa community (MarkDS (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=96da03c019b52167de014ba0f6c4f39c&search_in=topics&result_type=topics)) and who is using this forum for the purpose of self promotion (gmitchel (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=1bb508e2d9b0f3a467d99fd551c8e4d2&search_in=topics&result_type=topics)).
Simply follow the links...
Look at the posts made by "gmitchel" and state that ANY of the posts are ANYTHING other than promoting his "free" stuff (yeah, ok, "most" of his stuff is free, but "some" of it is for sale and therefore the whole enterprise is thus "commercial)...
In point of fact, I have ZERO idea what "gmitchel"" is saying in his posts here on LuLa...I've taken the liberty to "ignore" any of his posts (for a whole host of reasons which I'm perfectly happy explaining AFTER my upcoming Death Valley workshop next week) but I'm simply not comfortable having MarkDS characterized as ANYTHING other than a well-meaning and consistently supportive member of LuLa...which I would dispute ANYBODY of claiming "gmitchel" involvement of matching...
Seriously, Mark, let me apologize in advance for some of the more ignorant (and totally ill informed) responses you've gotten in this thread...
And as a further note, sorry, I'm off to the PODUS workshop this weekend (back Nov 16th) and I seriously won't be visiting this thread each and every day. A "lack" of response should not be construed as any sort of acceptance on my part...since I've got my prefs set to set to ignore "gmitchel" I won't be inclined to respond to him anyway...
Just ask yourself, who is a real contributor to this community and who isn't...
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OK Mitch - not to prolong this - but where I got the idea there is a recommended amount for a donation was what I read about the suggested 50 doillars when I clicked the Become a Benefactor link. As I say, in my opinion that's fine - I have no issue with any of that on your site. And I understand your position as explained above. One can always argue that material is free, and suporting the effort which provides it is a separate matter. I just have a hard time disassociating the two because I think such effort should be remunerated somehow, and its essentially commercial character seen as such. Nothing wrong with that. But I acknoweldge that others may see it differently and that's fine too. Peace.
I never even noticed the donate button until you mentioned it.
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I never even noticed the donate button until you mentioned it.
Yeah, you ain't supposed to....
But make no mistake...while Micheal runs LuLa a a VERY hands off web site...that's not necessarily the case with other people.
All I'm saying, is determine the relative involvement with THIS particular community and make you OWN decision...
Pretty easy to decide.
You have a guy who posts only to promote his own web site and a guy who doesn't...
You decide...
(HINT: it ain't ROCKET SCIENCE)
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"MarkDS" is a regular and consistant (and useful) contributor to this forum in terms of "useful" forum posts as well as "free" articles posted on and hosted by Michael here on LuLa...
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Seriously, Mark, let me apologize in advance for some of the more ignorant (and totally ill informed) responses you've gotten in this thread...
Thanks for the commendation Jeff - I much appreciate it.
When I first responded to the original post on this thread I anticipated there would be some reaction, because the basic issue can be quite subtle and therefore gets interpreted by different people in different ways. We're very fortunate (a) to have this forum and b. that Michael is pragmatic and sensible in his approach to managing it. So we all have a certain amount of latitude to use it as we see fit, as well as the privilege to initiate discussion of certain pertinent matters related thereto, which should be possible free of attacks with non-sequiturs or "dissing" at a personal level.
You have highlighted relevant objective data and the various points of view have been aired, so in the spirit of your closing remarks on your own busy schedule, I suggest we all say "Amen". I have my hands full as well over the next while and I think we're done here, so I shall not be responding to any further posts in this thread.
Mark
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A man offers free stuff and it causes a flap. Boggles. He does not hound, belittle, or coerce you into using his free stuff. He simply makes the offer and invites you to try. And he does it in one post.
Donation buttons and advert links are everywhere. Including some of the best photography sites on the web. So what? (Thinking of The Online Photographer -- which btw is exceptional!) It's a small price to pay for free stuff. Especially when the free stuff is relevant, current, useful, and entertaining.
Me thinks there's more personal politics to this thread than photography.
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A man offers free stuff and it causes a flap. Boggles. He does not hound, belittle, or coerce you into using his free stuff. He simply makes the offer and invites you to try. And he does it in one post.
Donation buttons and advert links are everywhere. Including some of the best photography sites on the web. So what? (Thinking of The Online Photographer -- which btw is exceptional!) It's a small price to pay for free stuff. Especially when the free stuff is relevant, current, useful, and entertaining.
Me thinks there's more personal politics to this thread than photography.
Hi, Perfectly reasonable reply--unlike some of the vitriol above-- you're right some other agenda MAY be evident--reading between the lines.
DesW
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... Seriously, Mark, let me apologize in advance for some of the more ignorant (and totally ill informed) responses you've gotten in this thread...
Ooops... sorry... my bad... I didn't realize I will be caught in the crossfire of a turf war.
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Me thinks there's more personal politics to this thread than photography.
Paul, you are perceptive. There is a longstanding animosity between the PixelGenius principals and gmitchel, as a Google search will demonstrate:
DPReview Thread (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1006&message=9865089)
Another thread (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1006&message=31266792)
Perhaps gmitchel is thin skinned or maybe the PixelGenius crew are arrogant. At any rate, it appears that gmitchel's sharpening workflow is reverse engineered from PhotoKit Sharpener, even to the point of copying the terminology. Let the readers decide.
Bill
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Paul, you are perceptive. There is a longstanding animosity between the PixelGenius principals and gmitchel, as a Google search will demonstrate:
DPReview Thread (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1006&message=9865089)
Another thread (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1006&message=31266792)
Perhaps gmitchel is thin skinned or maybe the PixelGenius crew are arrogant. At any rate, it appears that gmitchel's sharpening workflow is reverse engineered from PhotoKit Sharpener, even to the point of copying the terminology. Let the readers decide.
Bill
Interesting, TLR sharpner free, PhotoKit $99.
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Yeah, you ain't supposed to....
You have a guy who posts only to promote his own web site
You decide...
A website where he he gives almost everything away for free, and where he will give away the paid content if you ask. A website run by a nice guy who is not biased (consciously or not) towards Adobe, someone whose livelihood does not not depend on being part of the Photoshop establishment.
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Folks, just to be PERFECTLY clear about this issue...
"MarkDS" is a regular and consistant (and useful) contributor to this forum in terms of "useful" forum posts as well as "free" articles posted on and hosted by Michael here on LuLa...
To compare and contrast, simply look at the total accumulated useful posts make by the member named "gmitchel" and compare that to the number of useful posts made by the member named "MarkDS".
Folks, just to be PERFECTLY clear NOBODY needs to compare or contrast the two. Both are valued members in my opinion. MarkDS's considerable contributions do not diminish what Mitch provides (for free) to the community. Mr. Schewe, why are we being asked to take sides? Lula isn’t big enough for all of us? I can't see why you need to build one up in a transparent attempt to tear the other down - other than the fact one seems to offer a product for free that seems to be in direct competition to one that you sell commercially.
I encourage other members to thank BOTH Mark and Mitch for their fine contributions to the digital community. And I thank YOU Mr. Schewe for your innumerable fine contributions as well. Without you I’d have never been steered towards Mr. Fraser’s writings/findings on sharpening. Mitch’s site helps me quickly generate edge masks for sharpening.
I encourage all to visit Mitch's site – he’s got a lot of FREE downloadable actions, scripts and presets that are time savers (and money savers). And NO salesmen will call. NO obtrusive banners extolling the benefits of donating will appear. No spam will appear in mailboxes.
All I'm saying, is determine the relative involvement with THIS particular community and make you OWN decision...
Pretty easy to decide.
You have a guy who posts only to promote his own web site and a guy who doesn't...
You decide...
To what end? Why do we need to take sides, why do we need to decide who is the bigger contributor to this community? Can't I value Mark's contributions and still download Mitch's wonderful free scripts, presets and actions?
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Wonderful panel!
This added to the Zero Noise and I'm a happy hobbyist photographer
Thank you, Thank you.
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Wonderful panel!
This added to the Zero Noise and I'm a happy hobbyist photographer
Thank you, Thank you.
I'm pleased you and others find the panel to be helpful. That's my project.
No one needs to choose sides. Not from my perspective, anyway. I find the interpersonal nastiness on this thread to be in poor form. It does not contribute to people using this tool (or any other tool) to sharpen their photos.
I am glad to answer any questions about the tool. I welcome any constructive suggestions, too. I want the tool to be useful. Producing these tools and giving them freely helps to heal my soul.
Cheers,
Mitch