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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: mcfoto on June 08, 2009, 04:20:41 pm
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(Snow Leopard: Apple said the new operating system, Snow Leopard, will be available in September and can perform some tasks up to 90% faster than its current Leopard OS. Apple said Snow Leopard is more crash resistant than its predecessor and is 6 gigibytes smaller.
Snow Leopard will cost $29 to upgrade from Leopard, which is $100 less than the previous upgrade price.)
This is from CNN Money
Denis
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Now that's good news.
29.00 is a great price comparing it to the windows upgrades.....
Less crashes ?
That puzzles me a bit, I've been using the mac OS for little under a year now and to be honest I maybe had two crashes.
Looking forward to it anyway.
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Hopefully Photoshop will be one of the tasks it can do 90% faster as well as more stable. Maybe it is because each of my files goes quickly above 2Gb but PS is quite slow and crashes quite often
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One change is more complete 64-bit support, catching up with the 64-bit capability of recent Intel processors: will that help with very large files?
Aside: The iPhone is now a "combocam"; video has been added. When will Michael review it?! Also Internet tethering for laptops ... and touch screen selection of AF point!
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I do have sometimes that PS just quits indeed, but that was also happening on my PC so it never struck me as a problem with the mac.
Somehow I got used to it I guess
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Less crashes ?
That puzzles me a bit, I've been using the mac OS for little under a year now and to be honest I maybe had two crashes.
I have definitely had more with Leopard than I ever had with Tiger, so I am really looking forward to this. I have been pushing Leopard hard, and finding that it is good, but not great.
But Leopard still kicks the teeth out of the XP Pro I am using at work, or the Windows 7 my boss is using. The kinds of problems we are having on those systems are just ridiculous. I have no idea how Microsoft manages to keep anyone on board.
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Aside: The iPhone is now a "combocam"; video has been added. When will Michael review it?! Also Internet tethering for laptops ... and touch screen selection of AF point!
I looked at the Feature List for the new iPhone announced today. I scrolled down the left column of Features, and saw the word TETHERING, and I almost spilled my coffee. There for a second, I thought they'd found a way to hook the thing up to a Phase back, for suitable Previews in the field. But alas, no, it's Internet Tethering:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3g-s/ (http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3g-s/)
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I looked at the Feature List for the new iPhone announced today. I scrolled down the left column of Features, and saw the word TETHERING, and I almost spilled my coffee. There for a second, I thought they'd found a way to hook the thing up to a Phase back, for suitable Previews in the field. But alas, no, it's Internet Tethering:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3g-s/ (http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3g-s/)
And this is only for providers who play ball. I am venturing a wild guess that AT&T is not going to offer this cool feature...
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The current iPhone camera is rubbish, but it does offer the serious photographer one advantage. You can use it to establish your location and copy the GPS data to your images in either Lightroom or Photo Mechanic.
I think the USD 29 upgrade price is very fair considering Snow Leopard is predominantly an 'under the hood' upgrade. It's very much in Apple's interests to get every one on to SL as soon as possible so developers can leverage OpenCL, Grand Central Dispatch and 64-bit memory allocation. USD 29 should speed things along nicely
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Great another upgrade.. Was just getting used to Leopard!!!
Hope this does not screw up the Capture One programming. Would hate to go through the whole loop again.
Snook
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I have definitely had more with Leopard than I ever had with Tiger, so I am really looking forward to this. I have been pushing Leopard hard, and finding that it is good, but not great.
But Leopard still kicks the teeth out of the XP Pro I am using at work, or the Windows 7 my boss is using. The kinds of problems we are having on those systems are just ridiculous. I have no idea how Microsoft manages to keep anyone on board.
I've never had a PC as crap and unreliable as my 2008 MacPro with Leopard being a remarkably buggy pice of cat poo. The beachball of doom is a regular occurence - many times a day, Finder randomly loses entire Hard drives for no reason, Cmd+Alt+ Esc gets more way more use than Cnt+Alt+Del ever did on the PC and today's very inconvienient annoyance is that I cannot use files on one of my HDs as I don't have the right permissions or something equally cretinous/obscure and difficult to fix. The workaround is to use my PC and open files on PC over network and alter them there. How dumb is that? Though thtat's a miracle in itself as Networking usually fails to work most of the time. I tried to alter files with my MBP over network, but couldn't change anything with that Mac either.
I also took my PC laptop with me on my recent travels and was very thankful as some things would simply not work with the MBP but worked no problem and with no installs needed on the PC - which saved my bacon a couple of times.
My Macs regularly go back to the Apple Store and don't get the issues resolved as the Geniuses cannot fix the issues or create new ones. My new MBP went back to store within 3 weeks, only to discover it was a Finder problem on all Macs. The problem - an invisible HD [and not for the first time], though only to Finder, all other software could see and use it, inc Disk Utility which set it up. But as Finder is how you open and save from within programmes, it's a bit crippling. If it wasn't for alternatives like Pathfinder to the abyssmal Loser, sorry Finder, I would simply not bother with OSX.
I'm hoping SL is a big improvement. I'm viewing it as a much needed service pack for leopard, as all the bugfixes so far seem to bring fresh issues. 10.5.7 has added a few new bugs like display issues
I've just installed W7 [RC] on the MBP and wil be interested to see if it's as good as everyone says.
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Less crashes ?
That puzzles me a bit, I've been using the mac OS for little under a year now and to be honest I maybe had two crashes.
Looking forward to it anyway.
I can get 2 in a day! Maybe I simply got a lemon. A very expensive one.
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I can get 2 in a day! Maybe I simply got a lemon. A very expensive one.
Its possible.
You may be surprised to hear this, but it could be the processors, or other chips on the mainboard.
Minor flaws in one of the chips can cause crashes. This would be the very last thing to consider if you truly have had Mac OSX wiped and done a clean install and still have the problems.
Memory is the obvious one and is usually checked first, I assume that the geniuses tested the memory boards? If not, you can do it at home with diagnostic tools, search the web for them.
I don't have many crashes with leopard, but one or two apps are prone to 'whirly ball' mania. Lightroom being one of the major culprits in this regard.
A big speed up in Lightroom would be worth considerably more than £29 to me. I'm hoping.
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Hi,
My impression is that "the whirly ball in Lightroom" is mostly related to exhausted memory. When all memory is used up Mac OS/X and Lightroom needs to regain some memory. I might be wrong.
Best regards
Erik
Its possible.
You may be surprised to hear this, but it could be the processors, or other chips on the mainboard.
Minor flaws in one of the chips can cause crashes. This would be the very last thing to consider if you truly have had Mac OSX wiped and done a clean install and still have the problems.
Memory is the obvious one and is usually checked first, I assume that the geniuses tested the memory boards? If not, you can do it at home with diagnostic tools, search the web for them.
I don't have many crashes with leopard, but one or two apps are prone to 'whirly ball' mania. Lightroom being one of the major culprits in this regard.
A big speed up in Lightroom would be worth considerably more than £29 to me. I'm hoping.
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Try replacing your memory if you haven't done so already. This sounds like one or more bad memory chips. That will give you random errors. I had the same sort of problems with one of my MBP's. Changed the memory and poef!... no more problems. Naturally it can be something else too but this is something which you can try fairly easy yourself and doesn't cost you an arm and a leg.
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Try replacing your memory if you haven't done so already. This sounds like one or more bad memory chips. That will give you random errors. I had the same sort of problems with one of my MBP's. Changed the memory and poef!... no more problems. Naturally it can be something else too but this is something which you can try fairly easy yourself and doesn't cost you an arm and a leg.
You can test your RAM instead of guessing about it:
http://www.command-tab.com/2008/01/11/how-...under-mac-os-x/ (http://www.command-tab.com/2008/01/11/how-to-test-ram-under-mac-os-x/)
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You can test your RAM instead of guessing about it:
http://www.command-tab.com/2008/01/11/how-...under-mac-os-x/ (http://www.command-tab.com/2008/01/11/how-to-test-ram-under-mac-os-x/)
Ah.. even better. Without that I would have tried it anyway Graham
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I don't have many crashes with leopard, but one or two apps are prone to 'whirly ball' mania. Lightroom being one of the major culprits in this regard.
A big speed up in Lightroom would be worth considerably more than £29 to me. I'm hoping.
Lightroom Tips:
1. Place the Lightroom Cache Folder on a separate fast scratch disk. The same as the PS disk is fine but ensure heaps of space. I have 120gig here on the fast section of the disk.
2. Also, automatically build 1:1 previews for all files as when they are imported. This takes a while but next time you use the files there will be little or no loading/waiting and other issues.
There are a few articles about this around the web.
I did this a while back and now Lightroom never pauses at all.
Murray
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Maybe I've been very lucky, but I'm on my third Mac, having used one since OS 9 & through all incarnations of OS X, & I've never had a crash yet. That first iMac (Snow, 500 mhz G3) is still in regular use too! [/smug git mode]
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Now that's good news.
29.00 is a great price comparing it to the windows upgrades.....
Nonsense. This is virtually the equivalent of a Service Pack upgrade which for MS is FREE. can't get a lot cheaper than that.
in fact typical of Apple to charge us for them fixing their problems in Leopard, and everyone applauding them for it - amazing!
I've never had a PC as crap and unreliable as my 2008 MacPro with Leopard being a remarkably buggy pice of cat poo. The beachball of doom is a regular occurence - many times a day, Finder randomly loses entire Hard drives for no reason, Cmd+Alt+ Esc gets more way more use than Cnt+Alt+Del ever did on the PC and today's very inconvienient annoyance is that I cannot use files on one of my HDs as I don't have the right permissions or something equally cretinous/obscure and difficult to fix. The workaround is to use my PC and open files on PC over network and alter them there. How dumb is that? Though thtat's a miracle in itself as Networking usually fails to work most of the time. I tried to alter files with my MBP over network, but couldn't change anything with that Mac either.
I also took my PC laptop with me on my recent travels and was very thankful as some things would simply not work with the MBP but worked no problem and with no installs needed on the PC - which saved my bacon a couple of times.
My Macs regularly go back to the Apple Store and don't get the issues resolved as the Geniuses cannot fix the issues or create new ones. My new MBP went back to store within 3 weeks, only to discover it was a Finder problem on all Macs. The problem - an invisible HD [and not for the first time], though only to Finder, all other software could see and use it, inc Disk Utility which set it up. But as Finder is how you open and save from within programmes, it's a bit crippling. If it wasn't for alternatives like Pathfinder to the abyssmal Loser, sorry Finder, I would simply not bother with OSX.
I'm hoping SL is a big improvement. I'm viewing it as a much needed service pack for leopard, as all the bugfixes so far seem to bring fresh issues. 10.5.7 has added a few new bugs like display issues
I've just installed W7 [RC] on the MBP and wil be interested to see if it's as good as everyone says.
indeed. please everyone don't believe the hype on either side of this stuff or be put of by some "bad machine your boss owns"
there are extremely fast stable PC's that work incredibly well at great prices, (ask 99% of scientists) just as there are Mac's that are buggy and break.
choose your platform with your head and wallet, and not as a lifestyle accessory.
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Nonsense. This is virtually the equivalent of a Service Pack upgrade which for MS is FREE. can't get a lot cheaper than that.
in fact typical of Apple to charge us for them fixing their problems in Leopard, and everyone applauding them for it - amazing!
indeed. please everyone don't believe the hype on either side of this stuff or be put of by some "bad machine your boss owns"
there are extremely fast stable PC's that work incredibly well at great prices, (ask 99% of scientists) just as there are Mac's that are buggy and break.
choose your platform with your head and wallet, and not as a lifestyle accessory.
Please don't troll.
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Nonsense. This is virtually the equivalent of a Service Pack upgrade which for MS is FREE. can't get a lot cheaper than that.
in fact typical of Apple to charge us for them fixing their problems in Leopard, and everyone applauding them for it - amazing!
Generally windows Service Packs don't include
- decreasing the footprint of the operating system by roughly half
- across the board 64 bit support (in ONE version rather than having six+ versions of the OS, some 64 and some 32)
- rewriting the main navigation mechanism (the "Finder" - equiv. of the "Windows Explorer") in a new programming language
- adding graphics-card based acceleration frameworks
- adding easy-to-implement multi-core friendly threading
This may be a mostly "under the hood" improvement, but it is far more than a "service pack".
That said, most users aren't going to bum-rush the Apple-Store to pay the usual $129 for an "under the hood improvement". It greatly behooves Apple to have as many of the installed base zipping along with a faster/more-stable OS (obviously just repeating talking points here; we'll see if either of those turns out to be the case). So they make the price so attractive as to be an after-thought for most users.
As to something more up my area of expertise: Capture One will be tested and made to fly with Snow Leopard, but all the usual advice about changing ANYTHING on your production machine applies.
1) Don't upgrade right away, but wait for reports from people like me who are willing-guinea pigs-for-the-cause and who get meaningful reports (including verifying the source of the problems rather than just saying "it doesn't work") from dozens of techs/photographers/companies.
2) Don't upgrade unless you are after a specific new feature/improvement or a fix for a bug that you care about. In other words don't upgrade just for the thrill of it.
3) Test your "new setup" thoroughly in simulations of your actual usage before ever using it on a professional job.
4) Make a complete bootable backup (which you should have of your good setup anyway) using SuperDuper or CarbonCopy so that if you get FUBAR you can return to your known-good setup with virtually no effort.
5) Report your findings to the community so we can all benefit
Also, OS upgrades (meaning you install the new OS "over" the previous one) are a joke IMO for critical production work. Only ever format and install the OS clean. I wonder how that will work this time around since the $29 price is specifically an "upgrade" to "Leopard Users"
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Doug this is my biggest issue with my MBP going from a MacPro. Even though running Raid O with SSD drives and 8 gbs of ram pushing my P30+ files is still slow compared to my old MacPro and for obvious reasons only Dual core. My hope is snow leopard will offset some of this and maybe Phase can design C1 more for the added features of Snow leopard like Open GL and things like that instead of being very core dependent. Not like i am stuck in the mud or anything , I'm just a speed freak on processing. Just want Phase to think laptop user as well
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Nonsense. This is virtually the equivalent of a Service Pack upgrade which for MS is FREE. can't get a lot cheaper than that.
in fact typical of Apple to charge us for them fixing their problems in Leopard, and everyone applauding them for it - amazing!
indeed. please everyone don't believe the hype on either side of this stuff or be put of by some "bad machine your boss owns"
there are extremely fast stable PC's that work incredibly well at great prices, (ask 99% of scientists) just as there are Mac's that are buggy and break.
choose your platform with your head and wallet, and not as a lifestyle accessory.
Notwithstanding the fact that at least in my experience it is a rational decision to invest in apple I would like to ask you wether you extend your above mentioned philosophy to all areas of your life?
Underwear (Calvin versus no brand grand-pa's), Cars, Phone, Food, Airline ... or is it just because you once made a mistake and now you cover up the resulting frustration?
No offense
/Frank
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Notwithstanding the fact that at least in my experience it is a rational decision to invest in apple I would like to ask you wether you extend your above mentioned philosophy to all areas of your life?
Underwear (Calvin versus no brand grand-pa's), Cars, Phone, Food, Airline ... or is it just because you once made a mistake and now you cover up the resulting frustration?
No offense
/Frank
Frank, I'd say that is somewhat personal ('underwear'?) and offensive ('you once made a mistake'?). calm down.
Narikin's suggestion that you choose professional tools with your head and wallet rather than as a lifestyle accessory is fair, and isn't specifically directed at Apple imho, - it might include 'Vivienne Tam' edition red netbooks, or piano black Dell's, or gaming machines with transparent Lucite cases and glowing LED lights... it just means what it says, so dont be too sensitive.
I've worked on both platforms for years, and see assets in both. right now my favored machine is a Vista 64 workstation with 32Gb of Ram and the same processors as the mac next door to it. with Vista 64 and full 64bit PS4 it can access all (well nearly all...) of the RAM for big stitch files from my Phase back. no scratch disk, ever, so its super fast. It works better for those that than the Mac Pro sitting next to it, but of course YMMV. Vista works just great for many people on this forum, and certainly doesn't deserve the odure heaped on it by Apple, (it actually makes me disrespect them as a company a little, for being so silly). But, I own and use their products and the whole world is better for Apple and what they do, and how they challenge the market. So what makes it great we have both choices, and more, with the rise of Linux.
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Narikin's suggestion that you choose professional tools with your head and wallet rather than as a lifestyle accessory is fair...
It was pure troll, meant to antagonize with absurd claims. Unfortunately one responded in kind, though not nearly as mean-spiritedly as Narikin. Labeling it "fair" is ridiculous.
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It was pure troll, meant to antagonize with absurd claims. Unfortunately one responded in kind, though not nearly as mean-spiritedly as Narikin. Labeling it "fair" is ridiculous.
peegeenyc & gss
my response was not meant to be offensive, but you are right I responded "in kind"
fair enough, my mistake
Frank
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Here is where the rubber may hit the road and if C1 can take advantage of this and all the Raw processors than maybe just maybe us MBP users won't feel the dual core as a disadvantage over the MacPro when we process files that the software is more core dependent. There is some hope here
From Macrumors :Snow leopard
Meanwhile, Apple also details which GPUs will be supported for their upcoming OpenCL API. OpenCL will allow developers to easily offload additional processing tasks to the computer's GPU. Some tasks may find greater benefit from this than others, but could potentially offer substantial performance boosts. The list of supported GPUs include:
- NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GTS, Geforce 9400M, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce GT 120, GeForce GT 130.
- ATI Radeon 4850, Radeon 4870
In one specific example, one company found a 5-fold increase in video encoding when using OpenCL-like technology on the PC.
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Nonsense. This is virtually the equivalent of a Service Pack upgrade which for MS is FREE. can't get a lot cheaper than that.
in fact typical of Apple to charge us for them fixing their problems in Leopard, and everyone applauding them for it - amazing!
A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Windows 7 is a pure out and out warmed over and renamed Vista. And MS has priced it very high. Apple has consistently said this was more of a Leopard tweek than a totally new OS release. Nonetheless, they're adding in lots of goodies, so $29 seems like a steal. Windows 7, Vista, whatever, seems more like a dud.
Hey, just throwing gasoline on the fire - all in good fun :-)
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I still have nightmares with windows. I would't go back to windows even though mac hardware is a little..., lets be polite, flimsy, especially their macbooks glossy screens.
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I run dual-boot Leopard 10.5.7 and Fedora 10 Linux on my white Macbook 13" 2.4GHz/4Gb and Leopard 10.5.7 on the newest MacMini 2.26GHz/4Gb/7200rpm (what a power in small box!!!). These computers serve all my needs. I occasionally use a Linux tower PC with Dual Core 2 as a TBs file server, will never buy PC again.
I will upgrade to new MacOS when it is available, the price of upgrade is a bargain.
I'm very exited about newest Macbook Pro 13" 2.53GHz, which allows 8Gb of memory, that's fantastic power in small box! I need more for CS4.
I remember a 16 MB (!) was a lot of RAM in 1992!!!
Edit: I don't use Windows since 2000
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Its possible.
You may be surprised to hear this, but it could be the processors, or other chips on the mainboard.
No. I suspect it in fact. Tin whiskers is one possibility
Memory is the obvious one and is usually checked first, I assume that the geniuses tested the memory boards?
No, they simply put them in wrong slots! Then suggested I get more memory, when I returned with oddly enough memory issues. Which I did only to discover the memory problems were due to their incorrect placement of modules.
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Please don't troll.
And don't be a fanboi would be my response you your defensive posting.
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Hello,
This article was in the New Zealand Hearld
http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/mac-plane...gs-wwdc/?c_id=5 (http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/mac-planet/2009/6/10/snow-leopard-bares-its-fangs-wwdc/?c_id=5)
Cheers
Simon
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And don't be a fanboi would be my response you your defensive posting.
Yes, I suppose, in your eyes, "Please don't troll" is a rant worthy of the most rabid fanboi.
Please take your trolling to another site.
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No. I suspect it in fact. Tin whiskers is one possibility
No, they simply put them in wrong slots! Then suggested I get more memory, when I returned with oddly enough memory issues. Which I did only to discover the memory problems were due to their incorrect placement of modules.
sure they put the modules in the toaster slots....
There is only one way to slot in memory modules. it is not possible to place memory modules incorrectly.
You have been stating a series of total BS and is about time to stop.
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Yes, I suppose, in your eyes, "Please don't troll" is a rant worthy of the most rabid fanboi.
Please take your trolling to another site.
this is tiresome.
out of interest I went back over my past 10 years of spending for upgrades on both platforms (Mac and PC) and find I spent almost 3 times as much on Apple OS upgrades in that time, than I did on PC. Snow Leopard will be the 7th iteration of OS X in 9 years! Windows has gone XP>Vista in that time and that's it. (till 7 comes later this year)
Now you can view that as a product of Apple working hard at upgrades, and keeping everything 'on the boil' or not. Choose your interpretation. But... at a not inconsiderable price per upgrade, you can't say that its a cheap club to stay a member of. There is a definite Annual Fee to be part of the latest and greatest OS X club, that doesn't exist in any other OS business model. Windows has taken less money out of my wallet to remain current than Apple, and I'm on a full native 64bit platform already.
It is clearl that Apple chooses to break its OS progress up into many releases and charge users a (near annual) fee for that. Windows does one major upgrade every 4-5 years (with free Service Packs between) but splits its family up into 'home' 'business' 'ultimate' versions according to its vast install base needs. both are business models, plain and simple. choose your poison.
Like I say I have both and use both, so no prejudice here - but Apple is sure not cheap. You may have a thousand other excellent reasons to prefer OS X, but pointing out that price is not the best of reasons, does not make anyone a Troll.
Please all, lets keep it civilised.
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sure they put the modules in the toaster slots....
There is only one way to slot in memory modules. it is not possible to place memory modules incorrectly.
You have been stating a series of total BS and is about time to stop.
paired memory modules need to be matched in the correct slots, especially if they are different brands/ capacities, if not, there are problems.
I suspect that is what he means.
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this is tiresome.
out of interest I went back over my past 10 years of spending for upgrades on both platforms (Mac and PC) and find I spent almost 3 times as much on Apple OS upgrades in that time, than I did on PC. Snow Leopard will be the 7th iteration of OS X in 9 years! Windows has gone XP>Vista in that time and that's it. (till 7 comes later this year)
Now you can view that as a product of Apple working hard at upgrades, and keeping everything 'on the boil' or not. Choose your interpretation. But... at a not inconsiderable price per upgrade, you can't say that its a cheap club to stay a member of. There is a definite Annual Fee to be part of the latest and greatest OS X club, that doesn't exist in any other OS business model. Windows has taken less money out of my wallet to remain current than Apple, and I'm on a full native 64bit platform already.
It is clearl that Apple chooses to break its OS progress up into many releases and charge users a (near annual) fee for that. Windows does one major upgrade every 4-5 years (with free Service Packs between) but splits its family up into 'home' 'business' 'ultimate' versions according to its vast install base needs. both are business models, plain and simple. choose your poison.
Like I say I have both and use both, so no prejudice here - but Apple is sure not cheap. You may have a thousand other excellent reasons to prefer OS X, but pointing out that price is not the best of reasons, does not make anyone a Troll.
Please all, lets keep it civilised.
Had it simply been an issue of price, I would not have called it a troll, though it would still qualify as this was simply an informational thread about the availability of the new Mac OS. Then the response may have been simply, "You forgot to include the costs of your downtime due to viruses, costs of protection, etc... You may find that your total cost of ownership is higher with a PC than with a Mac."
However, that was not the case, and the posts were indeed trolls (note the unproven and absurd claim about scientists).
So a simple request that this forum be kept clean of trolling has netted me a charge of being a fanboi and being uncivilized. Remarkable.
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Yes, I suppose, in your eyes, "Please don't troll" is a rant worthy of the most rabid fanboi.
Please take your trolling to another site.
Being open minded to the fact that Apple is not perfect or PCs are not the Devil's spawn is not trolling. It's just a different opinion and an perfectly valid one. Accusing someone of trolling for that is fanboi-ism.
And very childish, as is accusing me of also trolling for not agreeing with your behaviour.
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sure they put the modules in the toaster slots....
There is only one way to slot in memory modules. it is not possible to place memory modules incorrectly.
You have been stating a series of total BS and is about time to stop.
Before being abusive and show how little you actually know, try checking your facts. There are 8 memory slots in total - two memory cards with 4 slots in each.
The manual clearly states that memory must be placed in pairs in a specific way.
For example if you have 2 dimms, one goes in top card and one in bottom card. If you have 4 dimms, two on top and two on bottom. If you have 6 dimmn 2 pairs on top and one on bottom and finally with 8 dimms, 2 pairs on top and 2 below.
Which is how they [2 dimms] were installed on my machine, yet the 'Genius' took one out and placed it next to other on same card - which is incorrect [for my machine] and did in fact cause memory problems, which I solved after reading manual and correcting error.
Also before I bought my MP, one of the shop assistants showed me how easy machine was to uddate and pointed to the memory boards as where you added things like more graphics cards, before trying to ram Aperture down my throat. Despite my repeatedly saying any image editing software HAD to be cross platform. Nearly walked out and didn't go back after that display of stupidity.
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paired memory modules need to be matched in the correct slots, especially if they are different brands/ capacities, if not, there are problems.
I suspect that is what he means.
Spot on.