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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Graham Mitchell on May 23, 2009, 01:30:31 pm
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Does anyone have more details? Will the Kodak sensor plant be affected? This seems to be affecting the Israeli division but what exactly happened there? Just Leaf, or more?
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This isn't right as it states that the imaging division closed in November 2008.
I guess we would have heard long before now if Leaf had gone.
Website is still going, and I guess Yaya will post soon to tell us that they are all still hard at work in Israel making AFI-10's and so on.
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Its sounds more like they are moving the operation to china? I do have to say as a leaf user it does not sound good. I visited the operation in Israel and it looked like they work on printing technology as the main business. They talked how China could not deliver the quality builds they needed.
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(Reading it in hebrew). Says that Kodak Israel has fired the last 50 employees and is moving to china to concentrate on consumer stuff. Says nothing at all about Leaf. Leaf is owned by Creo which is owned by Kodak. I have no doubt whatsoever that Leaf is not produced by a kodak factory which also deals in printers and digicams.
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Leaf is / was produced out of the same building that kodak works out of. Kodak just built a new building that Leaf and Creo moved into.
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An article in English: http://tinyurl.com/qdpcg8 (http://tinyurl.com/qdpcg8)
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Discontinuing its professional digital imaging components in Israel?
It would be nice to hear from someone what this means? Is LEAF closed or Just moved?
LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF LEAF ?
Is YaYa still employed?
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http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/S...20News/2292762/ (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2292762/)
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http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/S...20News/2292762/ (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2292762/)
I don't see a mention of Leaf anywhere, but this sentence sounds ominous:
"The professional cameras made by the unit cost tens of thousands of dollars each. They have 30-megapixel resolution, compared with 2-4 megapixel resolution of ordinary cameras."
Apart from the inaccuracies, this does sound like it might be Leaf. Does anyone know? Is Yair around?
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I don't see a mention of Leaf anywhere, but this sentence sounds ominous:
"The professional cameras made by the unit cost tens of thousands of dollars each. They have 30-megapixel resolution, compared with 2-4 megapixel resolution of ordinary cameras."
Apart from the inaccuracies, this does sound like it might be Leaf. Does anyone know? Is Yair around?
If the article says ordinary cameras have 2-4 megapixel resolution, the article itself must be about 5-7 years old.
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April 27, 2009
Thierry
... the article itself must be about 5-7 years old.
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April 27, 2009
Thierry
Today is May 25, 2009 + www.leaf-photography.com remains healthy.
Anders
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Today is May 25, 2009 + www.leaf-photography.com remains healthy.
Anders
Try ordering an Aptus II-10 and you'll get an 8-10 week delivery date which the dealer won't guarantee!
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Today is May 25, 2009 + www.leaf-photography.com remains healthy.
Anders
The web site www.leaf-photography.com was not available yesterday at 10:40PM. The web site is up and running now, but for how long is still the question.
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I would stay tuned and not panicking: if news dated April 27th 2009 have not yet (or only yesterday) reached the public, then it means, IMO, that something is going on.
I would have expected Leaf to have announced it IF it was simply a closure and firing of the people from their site in Israel without any B plan.
Therefore, don't specualte too much before getting the news of what really happens.
Best regards,
Thierry
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You could see it as Leaf creating its own buzz, since the news came out almost a month ago and nobody is saying anything about it? My own gut says Leaf is still alive but moved production to china? it makes no sense to just dump a company before trying to maybe sell it off. its a wait and see, but this will kill sales if they don't speak up ASAP.
If you click the Leaf logo on the Leaf-photography (http://www.Leaf-photography.com) site it takes you to the LeafAmerica (http://www.LeafAmerica.com) site
The leaf site now takes you directly to Leaf America Leaf-photography (http://www.Leaf-photography.com)
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this is not the Leaf America site:
http://www.leaf-photography.com/ (http://www.leaf-photography.com/)
I don't see it like you do, John.
Better wait and see.
Best regards,
Thierry
You could see it as Leaf creating its own buzz, since the news came out almost a month ago and nobody saying anything about it? My own gut says Leaf is still alive but moved production to china? it makes no sense to just dump a company before trying to maybe sell it off. its a wait and see, but this will kill sales if they don't speak up ASAP.
If you click the Leaf logo on the Leaf-photography (http://www.Leaf-photography.com) site it takes you to the LeafAmerica (http://www.LeafAmerica.com) site
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try emptying your cache The link takes me to Leaf America
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I did, John, same, it gives me the normal Leaf site.
Thierry
try emptying your cache The link takes me to Leaf America
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April 27, 2009
Thierry
That was my attempt at humor, or a dig at the writer.
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I did, John, same, it gives me the normal Leaf site.
Thierry
John is right Thierry, I'm redirected to Leaf America too. My take on this is that they've shrunk their production for now until they either sell Leaf or the market picks up. Don't forget how they got Leaf, it's not something that Kodak wanted in the first place but I doubt that they'll just kill it.
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Just all speculation naturally!
Interesting there is a deafening silence from the Leaf people on board. I am curious what is happening. It does have the signals of something in the making. Maybe Sinar & Leaf joining forces more closely? Which doesn't seem too odd and quite natural to me. A consolidation to basically 3 parties would make sense, to me anyway.
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http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/30042009/323/updat...s-dividend.html (http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/30042009/323/update-3-kodak-loss-wider-expected-halts-dividend.html)
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I wouldn't panic yet to be honest, let's wait for a few weeks and see what happens.
It could very well be that there is alot going on where they cannot comment about concerning legal issues.
I've seen this happen before.
If the leaf unit would be closed down or stop excisting I think they would comment.
Just the fact that er is no comment what so ever makes me think that there are things going on behind the screen, maybe/probarbly be a split in some form, maybe a new company or maybe a buyout or whatever.
Normally this would take maybe 2-3 weeks, so I guess we will know more in that time period.
It isn't over till the fat ladie sings and I did not yet hear that yet.
But that's not official offcourse and only my opinion
But seeing the fact that no one from leaf responses when they are normally very quick gives me a lot of hints in that direction.
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Dear David,
John is right Thierry, I'm redirected to Leaf America too.
Well, in this case they have to empty the cache more often here in Thailand, at my provider's place: my link is still working!
My take on this is that they've shrunk their production for now until they either sell Leaf or the market picks up.
Only speculations: it is wise not to fall into it, the past has proven almost any speculation to be wrong.
Best regards,
Thierry
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Well, in this case they have to empty the cache more often here in Thailand, at my provider's place: my link is still working!
Can be simple explanation: Many websites are sensitive to our geographic locations. E.g., www.yahoo.com comes up in Traditional Chinese here in Hong Kong... to make matters worse, cannot find choice for English and Hong Kong is officially Traditionally Chinese and English, but also unofficially Simplified Chinese... silly. Try www.nikon.com.hk who still have not realized that the very many non Chinese living here are good buying power...
In other words, if in USA, likely Leaf America. If in Thailand likely Leaf Asia. For some reason there are Euro offers of Leaf AF-I when I look up www.leaf-photography.com here in Hong Kong , yet perhaps they already know I am happy with mine!
Anders
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I'm in Europe, just emptied cache and history, and checked leaf-photography.com and it took me to the usual european leaf site at leaf-photography.com with european offers etc. No obvious changes at this end...
Matt
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I'm in Europe, just emptied cache and history, and checked leaf-photography.com and it took me to the usual european leaf site at leaf-photography.com with european offers etc. No obvious changes at this end...
Matt
i'm in europe too and http://www.leaf-photography.com/ (http://www.leaf-photography.com/) is working without any problems....
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I only know a little info, but I don't think Leaf is going anywhere. I guess Kodak is keeping quite why things happen. I personally don't think its the best move to not address the issue. At least say everything is ok, but we cant give any info at this time. My understanding is, we have to wait a few weeks to get the full story.
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This kind of anti-semitic nonsense is completely unacceptable, even if it is accepted as part of the normal discourse in most countries. You and your post should both be deleted.
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This kind of anti-semitic nonsense is completely unacceptable, even if it is accepted as part of the normal discourse in most countries. You and your post should both be deleted.
Totally agree!
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This kind of anti-semitic nonsense is completely unacceptable, even if it is accepted as part of the normal discourse in most countries. You and your post should both be deleted.
I'll be the third to agree and ask Michael to remove this offensive post immediately.
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This kind of anti-semitic nonsense is completely unacceptable, even if it is accepted as part of the normal discourse in most countries. You and your post should both be deleted.
I think that was a complement
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I think that was a complement
Which goes to show the frame of mind that we are concerned with. Lets just clarify a bit.
If you refer to me as Japanese or Chinese, you are talking about my nationality. If you refer to me as a Jew, that's a religion. Throw in the less than veiled insinuation of sales and commerce and you have the typical anti semitic sentiment that I'm referring to.
Unless you've been on the recieving end of this, you probably won't understand.
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Which goes to show the frame of mind that we are concerned with. Lets just clarify a bit.
If you refer to me as Japanese or Chinese, you are talking about my nationality. If you refer to me as a Jew, that's a religion. Throw in the less than veiled insinuation of sales and commerce and you have the typical anti semitic sentiment that I'm referring to.
Unless you've been on the recieving end of this, you probably won't understand.
I'm Jew.
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I'll be the third to agree and ask Michael to remove this offensive post immediately.
maybe it should be left on, get it in the open.. lets see who says what..show their true colors.
you say/type it, you own it. He of course has the option to do the right thing and delete it
himself and apologize...this is why I favor real names..no hiding behind xy&z.
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Which goes to show the frame of mind that we are concerned with. Lets just clarify a bit.
If you refer to me as Japanese or Chinese, you are talking about my nationality. If you refer to me as a Jew, that's a religion. Throw in the less than veiled insinuation of sales and commerce and you have the typical anti semitic sentiment that I'm referring to.
Unless you've been on the recieving end of this, you probably won't understand.
huh?
I'm surprised. So everytime someone mentions China if I'm insecure I would think feel that you're insulting me? (I'm chinese)
sorry but to me Jewish people are admirable in certain areas, their ability to handle business is one big part of it.
If you think of it as an insult then maybe it's a reflection of your own insecurity.
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huh?
I'm surprised. So everytime someone mentions China if I'm insecure I would think feel that you're insulting me? (I'm chinese)
sorry but to me Jewish people are admirable in certain areas, their ability to handle business is one big part of it.
If you think of it as an insult then maybe it's a reflection of your own insecurity.
Michael please put an end to this racial rhetoric.
This is not the forum for it
Don
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huh?
I'm surprised. So everytime someone mentions China if I'm insecure I would think feel that you're insulting me? (I'm chinese)
sorry but to me Jewish people are admirable in certain areas, their ability to handle business is one big part of it.
If you think of it as an insult then maybe it's a reflection of your own insecurity.
To insinuate that any particular cultural or religious group is any more or less adept at any given activity is racist and pure nonsense in my opinion.
I have now said my last words on this topic.
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And now back to are topic
Lets wait and see? But it scares me if production moves to China.
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And now back to are topic
Lets wait and see? But it scares me if production moves to China.
be careful if you are afraid of Chinese your post can be deleted
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Chinese manufacturing is not perceived to be the most thorough and detail oriented,
germans are great at making lenses
swiss are great at making watches
so on and so forth.
you can try to be politically correct but the fact is that different cultural,racial,religious groups inculcate certain values that differentiate them from others.
whether you want to take it as an insult or a compliment is really a matter of personal interpretation.
the insinuation in this whole thread is that moving production to China is a lowering of standards. Let's just call a cow a cow.
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I have deleted the offensive and anonymous 'abcdefg...' (along with all previous posts) and banned him or her from this Forum.
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I have deleted the offensive and anonymous 'abcdefg...' (along with all previous posts) and banned him or her from this Forum.
Thanks Chris.
Back to your regularly scheduled thread topic.
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I've been offline all day and just saw that Chris deleted this offensive material. Just what was needed. There's no room for such here.
Sorry for anyone (myself included) that was offended. Enough said.
Michael
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Chinese manufacturing is not perceived to be the most thorough and detail oriented,
germans are great at making lenses
swiss are great at making watches
so on and so forth.
you can try to be politically correct but the fact is that different cultural,racial,religious groups inculcate certain values that differentiate them from others.
whether you want to take it as an insult or a compliment is really a matter of personal interpretation.
the insinuation in this whole thread is that moving production to China is a lowering of standards. Let's just call a cow a cow.
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And he got banned for it? Wow, seems way over the top to me.
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And he got banned for it? Wow, seems way over the top to me.
While I didn't like the phrasing at all, I thought that the "jews" comment was directed at B&H, which is staffed entirely by orthodox jews, IIRC. Isn't Adorama also?
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And he got banned for it? Wow, seems way over the top to me.
you can try to be politically correct but the fact is that different cultural,racial,religious groups inculcate certain values that differentiate them from others.
To think a certain "group" inculcates certain values is nonsense, meanwhile a group is an open system of millions of individuums.
An example:
The germans are making good lenses? Which Germans?
The Germans of today are people from all over the world, they are from all cultural, racial and religous groups you can imagine. From the 75% of People with a German Passport which are living in my town more than half of them have foreign roots. I love my country for being a melting pot now.
(Out of German history I think everbody can also understand the sensibility of certain groups)
Seems as if some people are getting very emotional with this item.
I would be more interested wether I can buy a Leaf or Sinar Back without the fear that this brands are disappearing...
Michael
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it's called a generalisation.
A lot of people use generalisation.
it's a way for human beings to quickly figure out how to classify someone in a way that is immediate to them.
Tourism and Marketing is based on generalisations and stereotypes. It's not necessarily a bad thing.
I'm surprised you take so much offense at that. I didn't take offense at the "jew" comment, in fact I saw it as a compliment. And I used to live with a jewish guy from israel.
yes I love my B&H and Adorama, although they can be curt sometimes.
Yes if you want to break it down the germans are living all over the world blah blah blah.
but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill. I don't think the person who made the comment actually meant it maliciously.
To think a certain "group" inculcates certain values is nonsense, meanwhile a group is an open system of millions of individuums.
An example:
The germans are making good lenses? Which Germans?
The Germans of today are people from all over the world, they are from all cultural, racial and religous groups you can imagine. From the 75% of People with a German Passport which are living in my town more than half of them have foreign roots. I love my country for being a melting pot now.
(Out of German history I think everbody can also understand the sensibility of certain groups)
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it's called a generalisation.
A lot of people use generalisation.
it's a way for human beings to quickly figure out how to classify someone in a way that is immediate to them.
Tourism and Marketing is based on generalisations and stereotypes. It's not necessarily a bad thing.
I'm surprised you take so much offense at that. I didn't take offense at the "jew" comment, in fact I saw it as a compliment. And I used to live with a jewish guy from israel.
yes I love my B&H and Adorama, although they can be curt sometimes.
Yes if you want to break it down the germans are living all over the world blah blah blah.
but let's not make a mountain out of a molehill. I don't think the person who made the comment actually meant it maliciously.
If you are really wondering that some people are offensed visit Germany and his history.
Generalisation is not bad, but wether useful neither inteligent and in a Professional Network there is no place for this...
Michael
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And he got banned for it? Wow, seems way over the top to me.
you can try to be politically correct but the fact is that different cultural,racial,religious groups inculcate certain values that differentiate them from others.
To think a certain "group" inculcates certain values is nonsense, meanwhile a group is an open system of millions of individuums.
An example:
The germans are making good lenses? Which Germans?
The Germans of today are people from all over the world, they are from all cultural, racial and religous groups you can imagine. From the 75% of People with a German Passport which are living in my town more than half of them have foreign roots. I love my country for being a melting pot now.
(Out of German history I think everbody can also understand the sensibility of certain groups)
Seems as if some people are getting very emotional with this item.
I would be more interested wether I can buy a Leaf or Sinar Back without the fear that this brands are disappearing...
Michael
Sorry but I would have banned him on my site as well and almost any decent forum around would do the same. Sorry just no room in life for that stuff.
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Sorry but I would have banned him on my site as well and almost any decent forum around would do the same. Sorry just no room in life for that stuff.
Maybe we saw different posts. I can't believe anyone could take offence at the one I read, never mind banning the guy :s
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Probably did, what I saw was very offensive. He may have deleted it not sure though was not paying attention to the thread after reading it originally.
It's a judgement call and every forum moderator and/or admin has to make them.
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In Chris' and my opinion it was very offensive. If he'd said that in my living-room I'd have asked him to leave the house. That's the measure that we used.
Enough said.
Michael
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Maybe we saw different posts. I can't believe anyone could take offence at the one I read, never mind banning the guy :s
Its quite possible there was some private back and forth with Michael about this or other posts that resulted in the banning. I also have to wonder if having the ability to be an anonymous poster on a forum adds ammo to those with agendas.
I thought the post was in poor taste but wasn't offended. And I'd rather have anti Semitic words directed in my direction then be banned (I loath censorship). Banning is very, very rarely done here unlike other forums. So I think we should probably assume the poster was less than polite with Michael.
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my little cent to this: I can understand Michael and Chris for banning, they have their reasons and one has to respect them.
HOWEVER:
I would have loved to see the member with his post directed at me, a few months ago, when he was "suggesting" me to visit some "Katoys" here in Bangkok to feel better, to be banned as well. Implying that someone is "homosexual" or suggesting him to make the experience is to be put in the same category of offence and this post contained in itself a judgement of a group of persons and their sexual behaviour, like the post from the member who was banned now.
All I wanted to say.
Best regards,
Thierry
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my little cent to this: I can understand Michael and Chris for banning, they have their reasons and one has to respect them.
HOWEVER:
I would have loved to see the member with his post directed at me, a few months ago, when he was "suggesting" me to visit some "Katoys" here in Bangkok to feel better, to be banned as well. Implying that someone is "homosexual" or suggesting him to make the experience is to be put in the same category of offence and this post contained in itself a judgement of a group of persons and their sexual behaviour, like the post from the member who was banned now.
All I wanted to say.
Best regards,
Thierry
Dear Thierry,
please ask Michael for banning this member too. I can`t understand this kind of statements...
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Its quite possible there was some private back and forth with Michael about this or other posts that resulted in the banning. I also have to wonder if having the ability to be an anonymous poster on a forum adds ammo to those with agendas.
I thought the post was in poor taste but wasn't offended. And I'd rather have anti Semitic words directed in my direction then be banned (I loath censorship). Banning is very, very rarely done here unlike other forums. So I think we should probably assume the poster was less than polite with Michael.
I agree that banning shouldn't be done (just my opinion).
My amazement is in "most" posts on this and other discussion boards is how they can start with one topic, and go off on totally different topics. Start with Hasselblad Phocus software, and then go on about how they like the Nikon D3x, then in the same post talk about what monitors they like. Just like this thread, start with Leaf, then talk about manufacturing in China, then almost 1 1/2 pages which has nothing to do with the main topic.
I realize everyone has there opinion and wants to put it online, but when I come back once a week or so to see what's going on in the digital world. I read what I think are interesting topics, and they morph into either bickering in between posters, or go off on wild tangents way off topic, I find frustrating. Maybe I should have started a new topic on this.
Just my two cents worth.
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Dear Michael,
It is an old story, and I did not feel myself offended, but am of the opinion that his comment could have offended this particular group of persons, and as such had nothing to do in a discussion forum (any).
There was a request from another at least one other member, at the time, for him to be banned. Myself I did simply ask this member for the deletion of his words with an appology, which I did not get.
All the best,
Thierry
Dear Thierry,
please ask Michael for banning this member too. I can`t understand this kind of statements...
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Well, to move the thread back around to topic.
Any more word on the topic as to whether anyone, either the skilled Israeli or skilled Chinese, will continue production
of the Leaf line of digital backs.
Mark
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Well, to move the thread back around to topic.
Any more word on the topic as to whether anyone, either the skilled Israeli or skilled Chinese, will continue production
of the Leaf line of digital backs.
Mark
If Kodak has pulled the plug on the Leaf digital back business, who, if anyone, would be interested in buying it? Would Sinar, Hasselblad or Phase want to pick up the pieces, at the right price? For what?
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Sorry but I would have banned him on my site as well and almost any decent forum around would do the same. Sorry just no room in life for that stuff.
I always wander what does more damage the lock of some people sensitivity or the lock of TOLERANCE of people who demand sensitivity from others.
To many people become obsessed with correctness now days especially in US. Even undisputable statistical facts are consider racial insults.
Going back to photography. No, I would not have the same confidence in Leaf if they move to China. It will be enough for me to give up on them after being loyal for years.
I buy a lot of merchandise from China. Practically most of the things we buy in US comes from over there. We got used to buying toys for our children and expect them to last couple days,
but would I buy another Porsche knowing that it is now made in China? - Hell not!!!
Andre
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I will give Leaf the opportunity to speak up soon. We don't know if there moving the operation to china. It sounds like there in negotiations of a sale. I still think its bad business not to say anything.
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I always wander what does more damage the lock of some people sensitivity or the lock of TOLERANCE of people who demand sensitivity from others.
To many people become obsessed with correctness now days especially in US. Even undisputable statistical facts are consider racial insults.
Going back to photography. No, I would not have the same confidence in Leaf if they move to China. It will be enough for me to give up on them after being loyal for years.
I buy a lot of merchandise from China. Practically most of the things we buy in US comes from over there. We got used to buying toys for our children and expect them to last couple days,
but would I buy another Porsche knowing that it is now made in China? - Hell not!!!
Andre
Had nothing to do with China at all or the Chinese people. BTW half the stuff in your house is made in China, Japan, Korea or any other Asian country. Maybe even more than half for that matter but this had nothing to do with that period. No one should tolerate racial slurs period and that is the bottom line.
Let me put it another way according to your comments. You will let your children play with toys made from China but you put more value on a Porsche that you drive. Wonder how your kids would feel about that comment.
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BTW half the stuff in your house is made in China, Japan, Korea or any other Asian country. Maybe even more than half for that matter but this had nothing to do with that period. No one should tolerate racial slurs period and that is the bottom line.
You are right. This is the half that always brake. We buy it because it is cheap to buy and to cheap to replace. However if you do not see difference in tailoring and finishing between Italian suit
and Chinese one than we just have different eyes for details. Stay away from my children or you will quickly offend me. Your last comment is just plain stupid.
Andre
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I don't think it was stupid at all it is what you said on how you place your value of product on where it was made. Don't turn this on my shoulders , and do not threaten me either. Your comments not mine. End of conversation
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Thank you.
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These comments trying to rationalize a patently anti-semitic stereotype are pathetic and confirm my earlier statement that the use of such stereotypes is commonplace and well accepted in most countries. Fortunately, not in the USA today, where we think all Americans are either actually or potentially damn good at business. And anyone who thinks for a moment that the OP's use of the anti-semitic stereotype was not intended to be derogatory is deluding himself. I think I know why.
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I am staying out of this crap. Can we please either delete this thread or move on. This is not the place to argue. If you want a soap box go find a soup box and a park and speak out.
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I am staying out of this crap. Can we please either delete this thread or move on. This is not the place to argue. If you want a soap box go find a soup box and a park and speak out.
Starting a new thread is a good idea. This thread had 69 posts in it and not one has advanced our state of knowledge as to what is happening with Leaf's digital back business. Judging from the radio silence from Yair, it's clear that something is happening, but nobody seems to know what.
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Starting a new thread is a good idea. This thread had 69 posts in it and not one has advanced our state of knowledge as to what is happening with Leaf's digital back business. Judging from the radio silence from Yair, it's clear that something is happening, but nobody seems to know what.
I think it is safe to say that if it was all over, Yair would say so. If there was nothing wrong, he would say so as well. In other words, there is a problem, and they are looking for, or finalizing a solution.
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Starting a new thread is a good idea. This thread had 69 posts in it and not one has advanced our state of knowledge as to what is happening with Leaf's digital back business. Judging from the radio silence from Yair, it's clear that something is happening, but nobody seems to know what.
Hi,
A Leaf dealer in Israel confirmed: production of the Leaf is stopped. This is 110% true.
Creo-Sctitex-Kodak fired 50 employees by the end of this week (already fired, because yesterday was a "Shavuot" hollyday in Israel, and Fri-Sat are non working days).
Initiative is run by an Israeli manager(s) at Scitex (the original name of the Israeli company) to find the ways to keep Leaf production and the employees. This new business, if established, will be run separately from Creo-Scitex-Kodak brand. This is in progress, Kodak doesn't sell the Leaf facilities at this time.
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Stay away from my children or you will quickly offend me.
You bought them into it, you pillock. Get over yourself - And the rest of you, FFS.
And thanks for reminding me why I rarely come here anymore.
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Something is going on with Leaf. That much is obvious. I hope it is something positive along the lines of someone else has bought them etc..
Let's refrain from further speculation until such time as Leaf employees are free to comment.
Nick-T
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any recent news someone?
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Hi,
A Leaf dealer in Israel confirmed: production of the Leaf is stopped. This is 110% true.
Creo-Sctitex-Kodak fired 50 employees by the end of this week (already fired, because yesterday was a "Shavuot" hollyday in Israel, and Fri-Sat are non working days).
Initiative is run by an Israeli manager(s) at Scitex (the original name of the Israeli company) to find the ways to keep Leaf production and the employees. This new business, if established, will be run separately from Creo-Scitex-Kodak brand. This is in progress, Kodak doesn't sell the Leaf facilities at this time.
Goodness , Kodak really doesn't have the magic touch when it comes to new business do they? Leaf was for so long a premium MF brand and when Kodak bought it a few years ago there were fears expressed here and other forums something like this would happen.
Are we heading down the road to having one chip supplier for MF as well?
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We should hear good news about Leaf. I hope it will be officially announced later.
This is sensitive, I don't want to share more details, let people do their job.
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News coming at 10am eastern. Stay tuned.
Ps: It's good news.
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News coming at 10am eastern. Stay tuned.
Ps: It's good news.
and it will give more threads to discuss
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In other words, there is a problem, and they are looking for, or finalizing a solution.
In the context of the preceding posts, this sentence is hilarious! Or very subtle. Either way, very funny indeed. And in no way lends itself to being anti-semitic in either the writer´s or my intent, I´m sure. So please, no lectures.
Rob C