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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: henrikfoto on May 16, 2009, 04:25:21 pm
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Does anybody use Sinar M for multishot with the Sinarback 54H?
The meny in my Sinar M does not (as far as I can see) have a choice for 4-shot and 16-shot.
The manual says that these modes should be possible to access from the mode-switch.
It says it is supposed to be single-contiuos-bracketing-selftimer-4-shot-16-shot.
My mode-menu goes like this: single-contiuos-bracketing-selftimer-focustrap-preview.
What is wrong? These choices couldn´t have been changed with some firmware-update?
Can anybody help me with this?
Henrik
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Henrik,
Can you tell me what version of the software you are using? Are you using eXposure or Capture Shop?
Matt
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I am using CaptureShop 5.6.3.
Is Exposure working with multishot too?
Henrik
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Henrik,
I don't have much experience with eXposure yet, other than with the Hy6 single shot. It should definitely be available in Capture Shop though.
Do you have the ability to see the M camera window in Capture Shop itself? Can you change it via the 2 way communication from there?
Matt
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I can see this possibillity in the capture-settings, but can´t change them.
I can´t see whats on the screen.
Henrik
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Henrik,
I just had a thought. Check to make sure the firmware on all the pieces of the puzzle are current. Lens and interface plate come to mind.
In order to use them with Capture Shop 5.6.3 they all need to be upgraded to firmware 2.0 for the M.
Matt
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Henrik,
I just had a thought. Check to make sure the firmware on all the pieces of the puzzle are current. Lens and interface plate come to mind.
In order to use them with Capture Shop 5.6.3 they all need to be upgraded to firmware 2.0 for the M.
Matt
I know the firmware of the Sinar M is 2.0, but how can I check the rest?
Henrik
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I found it. The back is only 1.0.
I will try to see if Sinar has a newer one now.
Henrik
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I know the firmware of the Sinar M is 2.0, but how can I check the rest?
Henrik
Options / Firmware. Then you should be able to scroll thru the lens and interface listings. All should be 2.0.
Are you using this in a P3 configuration or with a mirror box, prism and AF lens?
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The newest one I could find for the 54H is 1.9.
Do you think that is the correct one?
Henrik
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Options / Firmware. Then you should be able to scroll thru the lens and interface listings. All should be 2.0.
Are you using this in a P3 configuration or with a mirror box, prism and AF lens?
I use an AF-lens at the moment.
Henrik
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I found it. The back is only 1.0.
I will try to see if Sinar has a newer one now.
Henrik
1.9 is the current firmware for the 54H. It is on the Sinar Site.
You do need the back upgraded to 1.9 in order to upgrade the M camera firmware or any of the components.
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1.9 is the current firmware for the 54H. It is on the Sinar Site.
You do need the back upgraded to 1.9 in order to upgrade the M camera firmware or any of the components.
Thanks a lot!!
I will try that now.
Henrik
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It doesn´t seem to work. Maybe I have to install a newer firmware than the 1.0 before I install the 1.9?
The 1.9 don´t want´t to be installed...
Henrik
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The problem seems to be that the Sinarback updater tells me the back already has the 1.9 firmware, but the Sinar M display says it is only 1.0.
Is there any kind of firmware-update needed for the connection-plate of the back??
Henrik
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It doesn´t seem to work. Maybe I have to install a newer firmware than the 1.0 before I install the 1.9?
The 1.9 don´t want´t to be installed...
Henrik
1.9 is definitely needed for bi-directional communication with the M camera system. I believe this is the cause of your problems.
I don't think you need to install any firmware in between. None of the previous versions are still up on the website.
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1.9 is definitely needed for bi-directional communication with the M camera system. I believe this is the cause of your problems.
I don't think you need to install any firmware in between. None of the previous versions are still up on the website.
I think you are correct. The problem is that I can´t seem to get this version installed. I save it in my Mac and try to start the installation, it doesn´t work.
The installer tells me the connected back has the newest software, and the Sinar M display tells it is only 1.0. I don´t know .....?
H
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Henrik,
you have to update the Sinar m, the back is alright with this firmware: contact tech @ Sinar to get the updater. Most probably you will have to update as well the mirror module.
Best regards,
Thierry
I think you are correct. The problem is that I can´t seem to get this version installed. I save it in my Mac and try to start the installation, it doesn´t work.
The installer tells me the connected back has the newest software, and the Sinar M display tells it is only 1.0. I don´t know .....?
H
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I think you are correct. The problem is that I can´t seem to get this version installed. I save it in my Mac and try to start the installation, it doesn´t work.
The installer tells me the connected back has the newest software, and the Sinar M display tells it is only 1.0. I don´t know .....?
H
Is it telling you that the 54H Firmware is 1.0 on the M or the Firmware on the M camera? What does it tell you inside Capture Shop when you look?
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Henrik,
you have to update the Sinar m, the back is alright with this firmware: contact tech @ Sinar to get the updater. Most probably you will have to update as well the mirror module.
Best regards,
Thierry
Thank you, Thierry! I was thinking the same. I am updating to 2.2 now to see what happens.
Henrik
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Thanks to you both!!
After the update to 2.2 for Sinar M it all seems to work perfect.
Now I have full connection and get 4 and 16-shots in the display!
Norway won the European song contest today, and our national day starts in just a few hours.. need some sleep.
Happy May the 17th to all of you!!
Henrik
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Happy National Day!
Best regards,
Thierry
Thanks to you both!!
After the update to 2.2 for Sinar M it all seems to work perfect.
Now I have full connection and get 4 and 16-shots in the display!
Norway won the European song contest today, and our national day starts in just a few hours.. need some sleep.
Happy May the 17th to all of you!!
Henrik
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I just did some test-shots with 16 exposures. Wish I started this a long time ago!
It is sooo far ahead of all the newer singel-shot back that it´s hard to understand!!!
The Phase P65+ is not even close!!!
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These are your first experiences with a multishot back?
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... and whom do you tell this?!
It is years I am trying to bring this point across the board, without people even seeming to notice or care that there is a better IQ (visible with "naked" eyes) possible: no, 1-shot modes, whatever the pixel density/count, does not even come close, even in 4-shot mode with the right lenses.
Best regards,
Thierry
I just did some test-shots with 16 exposures. Wish I started this a long time ago!
It is sooo far ahead of all the newer singel-shot back that it´s hard to understand!!!
The Phase P65+ is not even close!!!
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Yeah Thierry but it is always so nice to see/hear the amazement of people that see their first multishot image
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These are your first experiences with a multishot back?
Yes. I have tried everything from the best scanning-backs to the new Phase sensor. None of them even come close to what I see now from my first tests with the 54H.
And still I am only using a small tripod and normal light in my house.
I am very much looking forward to testing it in the studio next week.
I have always heard people tell me how much extra problems this makes and that it is almost impossible to keep it steady. That is not true at all.
This is just amazing !!!!
Henrik
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Well, doing 16-shot does pose some extra challenges. Personally I did find it somewhat easier to do 4-shot (same quality less resolution) and have had more than once difficulties getting great results with 16. Which for a great part is due to the fact my studio is on the 3rd floor of a building with wooden floors and wooden construction! If you do and get it right it is awesome. The most minimal movement or alteration in light will deliver (slight) stairstepping or worse. Now, with the 39MS I don't miss the 16-shot so much. It would be nice if it was there and I would definitely use it if I need to.
I also love shooting higher ISO (if you can consider ISO400 higher) with multishot. It gives you such nice clean shadows with lovely transitions and grainlike structure. Some will now think about their D3 but that is just not the same
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Henrik,
to all asking me, I have always said and still say that the Sinarback 54 H does wonders: it is one of the most fantastic back, IMO equal to 8x10" film in multishot mode concerning resolution of details (with the Digital HR lenses), but with also IMO much more tonal values, better transitions and better modularity.
But as said Dustback, stability is critical for optimum results: better having the studio on the groundfloor, better not having a road passing near by, better having a very stable stand, better not using AC while shooting, etc ...
Enjoy it.
Best regards,
Thierry
Yes. I have tried everything from the best scanning-backs to the new Phase sensor. None of them even come close to what I see now from my first tests with the 54H.
And still I am only using a small tripod and normal light in my house.
I am very much looking forward to testing it in the studio next week.
I have always heard people tell me how much extra problems this makes and that it is almost impossible to keep it steady. That is not true at all.
This is just amazing !!!!
Henrik
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I use a CF39 MS mated with a Schnedier Digitar for fine art repro -- awesome setup.
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BobDavid,
May I ask how the Schneider electronic shutter is powered?
Billy
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BobDavid,
May I ask how the Schneider electronic shutter is powered?
Billy
Schneider power supply.
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Drat!
I was hoping the Schneider electronic shutter was being powered by the digital back via Firewire bus-power from the computer.
Thierry,
Isn't this the scenario with eVolution multi-shot back powering the Sinar CMV lenses?
Thanks,
Billy
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Hi Billy,
Basically yes, although if you connect as well a LC shuter for Live View you might need to use an external 12V power supply, since not enough then to power all.
Best regards,
Thierry
Thierry,
Isn't this the scenario with eVolution multi-shot back powering the Sinar CMV lenses?
Thanks,
Billy
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Thank you for verifying, Thierry.
So nice of you to continue answering Sinar-related questions.
My best,
Billy