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Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: JerryReed on April 01, 2009, 07:48:36 am
I have been doing more locations shooting lately and find that the back and forth trips to the car are a big waste of time.  My sense is members of this forum have long ago solved the problem of how to efficiently move equipment while on the job and to and from the job.

I like the MAGLINER that has the wheels that fold down, converting a hand truck into a 4-wheel cart.  BUT, it is 60 inches long and that is hard to work with in a VOLVO station wagon.

Please share your secrets of equipment movement.

Jerry Reed
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: Graham Mitchell on April 01, 2009, 07:55:33 am
Here are my 'wheels'  The large pneumatic tires are good for all terrain types like cobble stones, beaches, etc (unlike the cart you showed which would be useless to me with those small wheels). Needs a larger vehicle to carry it though!

(http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/cart.jpg)
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: gwhitf on April 01, 2009, 08:31:21 am
Quote from: JerryReed
I like the MAGLINER that has the wheels that fold down, converting a hand truck into a 4-wheel cart.

There is a Magliner Senior and a Junior. Sounds like you bought a Senior. I did too. Sounds like you wished you'd bought a Junior. I do too. Much shorter in height (and loadability into vehicle).

There are a million other karts, too, on B&H site, of lesser weight. But with the added top shelf of Magliner, it can become a Tech Kart as well, with monitor on top.
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: BJNY on April 01, 2009, 08:53:53 am
A popular choice because it collapses easily to fit into the trunk of a car is
Remin's KartMaster HD500 at $900 with top & bottom shelves.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1843...ter_HD_500.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/184301-REG/Remin_KMHD500B_Kartmaster_HD_500.html)

Edit:  Added link
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: calindustries on April 01, 2009, 09:50:35 am
there is always the beach cart option.  a lot of photographers i've worked with in the past use these and they are usually on all location RVs too. It's not a nice or well built as a magliner (which I would prefer), but it holds the stuff, rolls over a lot of surfaces, folds to fit in a station wagon, and is cheap.

http://www.amazon.com/ (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000AX7EN/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=2644701415&ref=pd_sl_6uofuy16ik_b)
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: gss on April 01, 2009, 10:39:35 am

I really like the Foldit.  It is the perfect length for carrying a bunch of stand bags, tripod bags and reflector bags.

http://www.bestofthehome.com/cart/cart.html (http://www.bestofthehome.com/cart/cart.html)

This is the exact same model that California Sunbounce sells on their European site (not on the US site).

http://www.sunbounce.com/cms/index.php?id=...n_truck&L=1 (http://www.sunbounce.com/cms/index.php?id=location_truck&L=1)
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: AlanG on April 01, 2009, 10:42:47 am
I have a Rock-N-Roller cart.  Some camera stores sell them under another name. These are more compact than a Magliner but can expand. I stopped using my large Magliner after I got it.


Here is a store that sells them. (I don't know anything about the store.)
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Rock_N_Roller (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Rock_N_Roller)

I remember one job I went on with a lot of gear, the Magliner was too big to fit in the elevator at the site. That was not a fun day.

If anyone wants to buy my Magliner - it's an old model but works well, get in touch.
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: snickgrr on April 01, 2009, 10:50:11 am
The website for the "rock n roller".  

http://www.multicart.com/ (http://www.multicart.com/)
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: z0624 on April 01, 2009, 11:01:26 am
I have the Rock n Roller Multi-Cart R12.  It's the one with pneumatic wheels on both front and back which does a great job of keeping things that aren't tied down from rattling off on rough surfaces or door molding / elevator transition areas.  When the both handles are collapsed and the length retracted, it takes up a surprisingly small amount of space.

Quote from: snickgrr
The website for the "rock n roller".  

http://www.multicart.com/ (http://www.multicart.com/)
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: JerryReed on April 01, 2009, 02:04:58 pm
Quote from: foto-z
Here are my 'wheels'  The large pneumatic tires are good for all terrain types like cobble stones, beaches, etc (unlike the cart you showed which would be useless to me with those small wheels). Needs a larger vehicle to carry it though!

(http://forums.rennlist.com/upload/cart.jpg)

Graham,

Is this your design, or is it sold commercially?

Jerry
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: Graham Mitchell on April 01, 2009, 02:14:00 pm
Quote from: JerryReed
Is this your design, or is it sold commercially?

It is available commercially although the brand is unknown to me. (Cheap Chinese rubbish - the wheels nuts were not fastened properly so they started to fall out. Fortunately I found them. The hinges are made of soft metal so they already look close to breaking, etc. Just don't buy anything from China! Unfortunately for me this was the only cart like this in the country. I am good friends with a metal worker too so we can rebuild it better than before if it breaks  )
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: gwhitf on April 01, 2009, 02:19:29 pm
Quote from: JerryReed
is it sold commercially?

I got me two or three o' them thangs out 'ter at Tractor Supply. Just do you one of them Google thangs for "garden cart" at Tractor Supply Corp. Just drive out this road, and whin you git to the big fork in the road, just turn right, and go a while til you git to the old Faulkner place, and then turn left again. It's up 'er on the the right, just before you git to WalMart.

After them big shootin' jobs, I like to load up Momma and the kids and roll them all down to the pond for a swim. Them big ol' inflatable tars helps git Momma over them tree roots on the way. I lost her one time, but she landed on her cigarettes, and they kinda softened the blow, but she lost a tooth when she wint down.

http://tinyurl.com/c8ufbl (http://tinyurl.com/c8ufbl)

They's a lot cheaper at Tractor Supply 'cause it don't have the word photo on them. Once you go addin' that word photo it always dubbles the price.
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: BJNY on April 01, 2009, 02:25:11 pm
Thanks for the visual, GW...I think  
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: bdp on April 01, 2009, 03:23:46 pm
This is what I use - folds up into a very small package but can take lots of weight when unfolded. Just needs lots of tie straps to keep everything in place.
Ruxxac Cart (http://www.broomsfast.com/ruxxac.html)

And the jumbo version takes 250kg: jumbo (http://shop.coxengineering.com.au/ecms/product.asp?pid=4664&cid=1110)

Ben
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: JonRoemer on April 01, 2009, 05:36:06 pm
I'll second the Rock N Roller (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=0&shs=rock+n+roller&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=jsp%2FRootPage.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&Go.x=12&Go.y=15&Go=submit).  I used to use remin tri-karts but those have seen no use since I got the Rock N Roller.


Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: TMARK on April 01, 2009, 09:01:34 pm
MultiKart Rockin'Roller R10 and/or R12.  Perfect. You can get a shelf system to use it as a tech table.  Magliners are for film productions with Teamsters to haul and grips to lug crap around.  The sound department on the last project I worked on had a killer custom made cart from Matthews.  It was compact with enough shelf space to hold a Nagra D, mixing board, and two harddrive based recorders, etc..  It also had an inbuilt clamp for an umbrella.
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: David WM on April 03, 2009, 09:44:13 am
I've used one of the standard ones of these for about 12 years now. Very durable ... its good if you have just a couple of cases, and handle stairs a lot better than 4 wheel trolleys.
For full lighting I use a trolley which is available at most commercial suppliers, a flat platform with a single handle which folds flat for transport, pneumatic tyres and a rubberised edging and surface for gear. The first one of these I had was fitted with hard rubber tyres, the pneumatic tyres are a big improvement. They handle uneven paving a lot better.  But you do need to strap the cases down.  

David

Quote from: bdp
This is what I use - folds up into a very small package but can take lots of weight when unfolded. Just needs lots of tie straps to keep everything in place.
Ruxxac Cart (http://www.broomsfast.com/ruxxac.html)

And the jumbo version takes 250kg: jumbo (http://shop.coxengineering.com.au/ecms/product.asp?pid=4664&cid=1110)

Ben
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: David WM on April 03, 2009, 10:00:41 am
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Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: Justin Berman on April 03, 2009, 10:10:47 am
Quote from: gwhitf
I got me two or three o' them thangs out 'ter at Tractor Supply. Just do you one of them Google thangs for "garden cart" at Tractor Supply Corp. Just drive out this road, and whin you git to the big fork in the road, just turn right, and go a while til you git to the old Faulkner place, and then turn left again. It's up 'er on the the right, just before you git to WalMart.

After them big shootin' jobs, I like to load up Momma and the kids and roll them all down to the pond for a swim. Them big ol' inflatable tars helps git Momma over them tree roots on the way. I lost her one time, but she landed on her cigarettes, and they kinda softened the blow, but she lost a tooth when she wint down.

http://tinyurl.com/c8ufbl (http://tinyurl.com/c8ufbl)

They's a lot cheaper at Tractor Supply 'cause it don't have the word photo on them. Once you go addin' that word photo it always dubbles the price.

Quoted For Truth!
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: bcroslin on April 03, 2009, 12:53:52 pm
I also use the Multicart R10 but if I had it to do over I would have bought the R12. Both fit very nicely in the back of my Honda Element.
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: pixjohn on April 03, 2009, 02:05:53 pm
I also use the Multi Cart r12. I got it from a company in OC, CA. (don't rember the name) The price was half the cost of stores in LA. I think the cart works great for the money.  I also added a monitor arm to mount a 2nd 23 inch apple display. I like to move the monitor around with out moving the cart.


my cart pixjohn (http://www.pixjohn.com)



Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: JerryReed on April 05, 2009, 10:42:07 am
Thanks for your excellent suggestions.

I think that I will go with the R-12 Rock and Roller.

Jerry Reed
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: Rick_Allen on April 05, 2009, 03:53:06 pm
Another Vote for the R12. Hey John how you keeping the laptop connected to the tripod? What the strap?
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: Guy Mancuso on April 05, 2009, 07:19:36 pm
Not sure you have a ACE hardware in your town but there have some nice carts that you use for gardening that have the nice ballon tire carts . This is a US only company
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: pixjohn on April 05, 2009, 11:50:59 pm
Its a clear laptop platform, and I added a strap to make sure it does not go anywhere. I have the whole thing mounted with a quick release plate for easy on off.
I am shooting this week and will post a picture with the monitor arm.

Quote from: Rick_Allen
Another Vote for the R12. Hey John how you keeping the laptop connected to the tripod? What the strap?
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: jing q on April 06, 2009, 01:59:30 am
Quote from: pixjohn
I also use the Multi Cart r12. I got it from a company in OC, CA. (don't rember the name) The price was half the cost of stores in LA. I think the cart works great for the money.  I also added a monitor arm to mount a 2nd 23 inch apple display. I like to move the monitor around with out moving the cart.


my cart pixjohn (http://www.pixjohn.com)

Does anyone know where to get this cart in Asia?
It's actually made in Malaysia...
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: Jeffreytotaro on April 06, 2009, 06:29:23 pm
I use this for a camera (computer) cart for local jobs, getting expensive to fly with it.  It will change your life, and save your knees and back.
http://www.filmtools.com/filmtools-convert...unior-cart.html (http://www.filmtools.com/filmtools-converted-junior-cart.html)

I use a standard Mag cart for the lighting gear.
Title: Location shooting - Hand truck choices
Post by: Enda Cavanagh on April 06, 2009, 08:31:56 pm
[attachment=12796:images.jpeg]Personally I prefer the Cat 793D Mining Truck. I work sometimes as a landscape photographer and as the saying goes if Mohammed can't be bothered to go to the mountain than bring the mountain to Mohammed in the back of a CAT.