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Site & Board Matters => About This Site => Topic started by: yasinclair on February 23, 2009, 01:33:56 am
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Here's a shameless plug for my beautiful book Seasons of the Moon, which is still available at a discount price at http://www.focusmag.info/index2.htm (http://www.focusmag.info/index2.htm)
For more of my work, please visit http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com (http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com).
The book has been published by Focus Publishing and I want to thank David Spivak for doing an outstanding job on the printing at a very competitive price.
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Here's a shameless plug for my beautiful book Seasons of the Moon, which is still available at a discount price at http://www.focusmag.info/index2.htm (http://www.focusmag.info/index2.htm)
For more of my work, please visit http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com (http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com).
The book has been published by Focus Publishing and I want to thank David Spivak for doing an outstanding job on the printing at a very competitive price.
Posting a message such as this on one occasion would raise eyebrows. To do it three times is beyond anything which could be considered acceptable here.
Jeremy
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Here's a shameless plug for my beautiful book Seasons of the Moon
Shameless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shameless)indeed - you aren't Frank Gallagher's alter ego by any chance?
Seriously, if you want a reputation as a spammer, you are going just the right way about it. How about contributing something helpful here by answering other posts rather than just expecting us to cough up on your behalf? Because this is an online community doesn't excuse you from the normal rules of polite society. (And surely beauty is in the eye of the beholder - so you come across as arrogant too. Not a good start.)
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Posting a message such as this on one occasion would raise eyebrows. To do it three times is beyond anything which could be considered acceptable here.
Jeremy
My apologies. I wasn't aware that announcing my book was unacceptable. How do I remove these messages?
thanks
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Shameless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shameless)indeed - you aren't Frank Gallagher's alter ego by any chance?
Seriously, if you want a reputation as a spammer, you are going just the right way about it. How about contributing something helpful here by answering other posts rather than just expecting us to cough up on your behalf? Because this is an online community doesn't excuse you from the normal rules of polite society. (And surely beauty is in the eye of the beholder - so you come across as arrogant too. Not a good start.)
Please forgive me. I wasn't aware that what I did was impolite. Who is Frank Gallagher?
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Here's a shameless plug for my beautiful book Seasons of the Moon, which is still available at a discount price at http://www.focusmag.info/index2.htm (http://www.focusmag.info/index2.htm)
For more of my work, please visit http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com (http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com).
The book has been published by Focus Publishing and I want to thank David Spivak for doing an outstanding job on the printing at a very competitive price.
Hold on, hold on. I did look at your link and I like a lot of your photographs and I want to wish you congratulations on the publishing of your book.
I also tried to find it on Amazon.com and BN.com but was unable to and I was wondering if the Focus Magazine folks will do that for you?
Also, what was the minimum number of copies that Focus Magazine required?
How much per copy did Focus Magazine charge?
Where there any other charges or fees, in addition to the per book charge?
What promotion will Focus Magazine do for the book you just published through them?
Who did you work with over at Focus Magazine? Would you recommend them to other photographers?
Also, where are the copies stored, at Focus Magazine or is there a warehouse for later distribution?
Again, congratulations and good luck with the new book!
Kind regards,
Derek
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Yaakov,
Welcome to Luminous Landscape. Your work is really excellent. Congratulations on the new book. Sorry that we jumped at your SSP (Shameless Self Promotion). We all do it, just most of us try to wait until we have more than a handful of posts. Your work is excellent and easily worthy of extensive discussion on these boards. Your writing is thoughtful and thought-provoking. I particularly liked your broken-down cemetery, A VANISHED WORLD (http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com/articles/about-jewishcemetery.aspx), with your discussion of Ansel Adams and the holocaust. Fascinating juxtaposition. Please join our community. I think you have a lot to contribute.
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Here's a shameless plug for my beautiful book Seasons of the Moon, which is still available at a discount price at http://www.focusmag.info/index2.htm (http://www.focusmag.info/index2.htm)
For more of my work, please visit http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com (http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com).
The book has been published by Focus Publishing and I want to thank David Spivak for doing an outstanding job on the printing at a very competitive price.
Beautiful work Yaakov, I'm glad that you posted the link here otherwise I would have never known about it, I purchased my copy, good luck with rest.
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Shameless (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shameless)indeed - you aren't Frank Gallagher's alter ego by any chance?
Seriously, if you want a reputation as a spammer, you are going just the right way about it. How about contributing something helpful here by answering other posts rather than just expecting us to cough up on your behalf? Because this is an online community doesn't excuse you from the normal rules of polite society. (And surely beauty is in the eye of the beholder - so you come across as arrogant too. Not a good start.)
Posting a message such as this on one occasion would raise eyebrows. To do it three times is beyond anything which could be considered acceptable here.
Jeremy
That's only your opinion, some of us are happy and want to hear of such news. I'm sorry but this isn't your private forum to impose your values on others, just don't respond if you don't like it. This is photography forum and his book is on photography, Yaakov has every right to share with us.
Lois, before preaching etiquette to others you should check your own first, who do you think you are to judge others and their work?
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Yaakov,
Welcome to Luminous Landscape. Your work is really excellent. Congratulations on the new book. Sorry that we jumped at your SSP (Shameless Self Promotion). We all do it, just most of us try to wait until we have more than a handful of posts. Your work is excellent and easily worthy of extensive discussion on these boards. Your writing is thoughtful and thought-provoking. I particularly liked your broken-down cemetery, A VANISHED WORLD (http://www.seasonsofthemoon.com/articles/about-jewishcemetery.aspx), with your discussion of Ansel Adams and the holocaust. Fascinating juxtaposition. Please join our community. I think you have a lot to contribute.
I agree - my comment was directed at the three identical posts and not at the work. It appears that there may be some people here who need to read something three times in three different places before it sinks in (and even then don't manage to spell correctly), but I suspect they are in the small minority.
Yaakov, your images are truly lovely and I enjoyed visiting your site.
Jeremy
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I can't by the life of me understand why would somebody be bothered because a photographer could finally make it to print a book and share it with his/her colleagues. A quixotic venture indeed it is. Very few can get their work thru to be published. Maybe it is just plain envy some feel. Let me congratulate you Yaakov, not only for your outstanding work, but for your perseverance to get it published. I know what it takes for the ink to meet the paper.
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Very impressive photography. Very inspiring. Thanks.
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I can't by the life of me understand why would somebody be bothered because a photographer could finally make it to print a book and share it with his/her colleagues. A quixotic venture indeed it is. Very few can get their work thru to be published. Maybe it is just plain envy some feel. Let me congratulate you Yaakov, not only for your outstanding work, but for your perseverance to get it published. I know what it takes for the ink to meet the paper.
His book was printed, not published.
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While I have not seen the book. Yaakov's work is marvelous IMO. I don't think there is any doubt of that. The issue raised is what constitutes spam. There may be many opinions of that. I know on the site where I am a moderator, the Large Format Forum, three basically identical posts promoting some product you are selling would be considered spamming and two of the posts would be deleted. You are allowed only one posting in our Announcements section. This is true for shows and other forms of personal PR too.
Hope you do well with it Yaakov. The book looks exceptional.
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His book was printed, not published.
Incorrect.
The book has been printed by my publishing company in a contract between my publishing company and the printer. His book has an official ISBN that links directly to my publishing company. The book has been paid for by people who have ordered it. To be published is to have a book printed and have it put into circulation. It is available on Rabbi Sinclair's website, my website, and photobookconnoisseur.net. It will soon be available on Amazon.com. People can order the book today and have it delivered tomorrow from either Rabbi Sinclair's, or three of my own websites.
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Hold on, hold on. I did look at your link and I like a lot of your photographs and I want to wish you congratulations on the publishing of your book. I also tried to find it on Amazon.com and BN.com but was unable to and I was wondering if the Focus Magazine folks will do that for you?
Yes, we will do that for him for Amazon. As far as BN, I believe they only list books that are sold in their retail bookstores. Having a book distributed in a retail bookstore like B&N is very expensive and not very profitable. We are, however; in discussions with a couple of potential distributors for the book. My own schedule has prevented this from happening sooner because of the economy and Focus Magazine.
Also, what was the minimum number of copies that Focus Magazine required?
There is very little price difference in the printing of a book between 500 and 1000. We can do 500, but it's not cost effective. Instead of paying $20 a book, you'd be paying $41 or $42. And that's just off the top of my head.
How much per copy did Focus Magazine charge?
I'm sorry, but this is private information that I cannot share with you. If Rabbi Sinclair wishes to, that's his decision.
Where there any other charges or fees, in addition to the per book charge?
There were, but I won't go into amounts. Focus Publishing was responsible for 100% of the layout and design of this book plus design of the dust jacket. Again, if Rabbi Sinclair wishes to disclose that information, it's up to him.
What promotion will Focus Magazine do for the book you just published through them?
We have aleady promoted it in our last issue by giving Rabbi Sinclair a multi-page spread of his photography plus his book was promoted on our subscriber cards where people who wanted to subscribe to the magazine, could also order a book. He will continue to have advertising in Focus for 5 additional consecutive issues plus advertising on our websites.
Who did you work with over at Focus Magazine?
Me.
As I said in another thread - there are people out there who want to print their own book, but the time and the hassle and the money of going to a printer and working with a printer can be lengthy especially if your vision is unclear. If Rabbi Sinclair had gone to either Meridian, Stinehour, Dual Graphics or Hemlock (LensWork's printer), he would have paid a great deal more, would have had to hire an outside designer, wouldn't have had anywhere close to as gorgeous of a dust jacket as he currently has and would be 100% responsible for handling all orders of his book. Instead, we dealt with the printer, designed the book and handle all shipping. Plus he has already received and will continue to receive free advertising.
In my opinion and I believe the Rabbi's as well, he got a heckuva deal. But it was worth it. The internet doesn't offer justice to how gorgeous the book is. At 9.5 x 11.5, on high quality hard cover boards and 115# galerie art silk text paper, the book weighs a good 3 or 4 pounds and is printed by the same printer that prints Focus Magazine.. and they do an AMAZING job.
Being Jewish myself, I took this project very personally and wanted to ensure the very best outcome possible.
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David, thank you for your honest replies.
Yacov, sorry some people were very negative towards you, try to ignore them, and again, congratulations on the book.
Kind regards,
Derek
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Lois, before preaching etiquette to others you should check your own first, who do you think you are to judge others and their work?
I was not complaining about the work - which is beautiful - just the notion that an online community doesn't need to abide by the normal rules of society. If I walked into a room of complete strangers and repeatedly promoted myself without first taking the time to get to know anyone, I think I would be regarded as pushy at best.
I'm sorry that my somewhat hasty reply came across as ruder than I intended.
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Please forgive me. I wasn't aware that what I did was impolite. Who is Frank Gallagher?
I don't need to forgive you - what you did was hardly wrong - just not considered usual behaviour in many online communities. Your work and writing are beautiful and inspiring - so I wish you good luck with the book and your online ventures. Ignore the off the cuff remark about Shameless - as in the link I posted - it's a British TV comedy.
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Dear Lois,
I appreciate your reply. To be honest, I never really thought of a forum being like a room of people, rather more like a notice board. I think the term used to be "bulletin board"
Obviously I am trying to get as many people as I can to look at my work, but I don't want to come across as pushy or arrogant. Although no-one can be too humble and I have work to do there, I'm sure.
Also, to be honest, I have a large family, thank G-d, of somewhere in excess of 9 children. The oldest just turned 18 and the youngest isn't three months, so life is a little busy to say the least, and I grab time for my photographs and try to maximize my efforts.
I do appreciate your best wishes and those or everyone else here.
May we all merit to live in world of peace.
Yaakov Asher Sinclair
I don't need to forgive you - what you did was hardly wrong - just not considered usual behaviour in many online communities. Your work and writing are beautiful and inspiring - so I wish you good luck with the book and your online ventures. Ignore the off the cuff remark about Shameless - as in the link I posted - it's a British TV comedy.
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Incorrect.
The book has been printed by my publishing company in a contract between my publishing company and the printer. His book has an official ISBN that links directly to my publishing company. The book has been paid for by people who have ordered it. To be published is to have a book printed and have it put into circulation. It is available on Rabbi Sinclair's website, my website, and photobookconnoisseur.net. It will soon be available on Amazon.com. People can order the book today and have it delivered tomorrow from either Rabbi Sinclair's, or three of my own websites.
Do I understand correctly, then, that you are the publisher? In the ordinary scheme of things, this would mean that you assume the risk of printing, production costs and provide for marketing and distribution. Is that the case? My understanding is that your authors assume this role. Aren't your authors the ones who initially are "the people who have ordered it"? This is what is normally referred to a a "vanity press". I have included a link the the wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_press)
Note that the wiki entry points out that "vanity press" should not necessarily be taken as a derogatory term. It's a legitimate business. My only goal here is to call the LL readership's attention to the fact that it may be very difficult to recoup spending $20K+. A while back Brooks Jensen of Lens Work had an article on photo book publishing and how few books are profitable. Mainstream books that are not celebrity oriented have a track record of becoming remaindered at the speed of sound. An author needs to have a clear marketing plan and audience in mind if their goal is profit. Michael Reichmann, for example, has his workshops, this well-attended site, and his gallery as outlets for his self-publishing.
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Do I understand correctly, then, that you are the publisher? In the ordinary scheme of things, this would mean that you assume the risk of printing, production costs and provide for marketing and distribution. Is that the case? My understanding is that your authors assume this role. Aren't your authors the ones who initially are "the people who have ordered it"? This is what is normally referred to a a "vanity press". I have included a link the the wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_press (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity_press)
Note that the wiki entry points out that "vanity press" should not necessarily be taken as a derogatory term. It's a legitimate business. My only goal here is to call the LL readership's attention to the fact that it may be very difficult to recoup spending $20K+. A while back Brooks Jensen of Lens Work had an article on photo book publishing and how few books are profitable. Mainstream books that are not celebrity oriented have a track record of becoming remaindered at the speed of sound. An author needs to have a clear marketing plan and audience in mind if their goal is profit. Michael Reichmann, for example, has his workshops, this well-attended site, and his gallery as outlets for his self-publishing.
I'm not really 100% vanity because I pay for the marketing costs of the book and I handle all of the distribution and orders. I'm a hybrid between vanity and subsidy, though the author retains all the rights to his or her book.
I am sure many here appreciate your "community service" in trying to alert them here that if they spend x amount of money on publishing a book, they shouldn't expect to break even, however; if you have x amount of money that you are willing to spend on a book, I highly doubt that a photographer doesn't already know that it's unlikely they'll make the money back or even make a profit. However, they can recoup some of the costs associated with the printing by placing their book in front of as many collectors as possible - which is why we include advertising in Focus Magazine for 6 issues and on our websites as part of any package deal. I am also hopeful that we'll be able to attend Photo LA in January and sell these books to collectors... I already have two more books coming in this year from two other photographers.
Anyway, there are several reasons why a photographer may pay for the printing of his or her own book, even if they can get a deal with a commercial publisher, the only way for a photographer to have absolute, 100% total control over his or her own vision is to publish their own book. And this is why many photographers choose to do this instead of going the commercial route. We help them do that, help them pay less money and do all the work for marketing and handling all orders for the book. Hopefully soon we'll be able to get Seasons distributed on newsstands.
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I think it is a delightful change of pace to read on this forum about a bit of hybrid "vanity publishing" as opposed to another "vanity camera purchase". For the price of a D3X or a 1DS MK3 and some glass, Yaakov has put a distinguished body of work out there for all to see, with no greater odds of financial successs than many of us can expect when we purchase expensive equipment. Based on his past, I'm guessing that financial success is not at the top of Yaakov's list of life goals, otherwise he would not have given up a lucrative career as a theatrical producer, moved to Jerusalem, and become a rabbi. (Yaakov was the original producer of The Rocky Horror Picture Show.)
Personally, I really don't care how much it cost for Yaakov to finance the publication, although I understand why others may be curious. What I want to know is how did he light the beautiful portraits of the other rabbis and scholars that appear on his web site.
So Mazel Tov Yaakov! Your images are stunning and grounded in emotion that is rarely so beautifully expressed.
John
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His book was printed, not published.
Self-publication *is* publication. There is nothing dishonorable about self-publication, in fact two of the most respected nature photographers of our time, who happen to write for this site, Art Wolfe and William Neill, have both self-published. Not to mention of course our gracious host.
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Seems like this guy is self-promoting as well. He's been spamming photography sites and email lists where he was never been an active participant trying to drum up sales for his book. Now, I don't have anything against promoting one's own work; we all do that when we post photographs for comment/critique. But to show up without any prior participation feels more like exploitation of some free advertising to me. And, while this is a free site and he has every right to do so, I've been very turned-off by his approach, to the point that I won't even consider buying his book. It's a shame too, because his work is pretty good.
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I've been very turned-off by his approach, to the point that I won't even consider buying his book. It's a shame too, because his work is pretty good.
Ditto. I wanted to react to the spamming, then looked at his pictures and decided to shut up: the last time I was so immediately impressed was when I discovered Stephan Vanfleteren. I also read most of what Yaakov has posted and was amazed by the quality of his prose. And that, despite the fact that his opinions and subjects are as foreign to me as they could be. He is, without any doubt, a very gifted and talented artist. I would have bought his book in a minute, had I stumbled upon it... but blatant self promotion is my ultimate turnoff.
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I would have bought his book in a minute, had I stumbled upon it... but blatant self promotion is my ultimate turnoff.
I say you are cheating yourself, then. You like it that much, but are not going to obtain it because the author is not modest enough to just keep quiet and hope people stumble across this work? Is "subtle" self-promotion okay for an artist? No promotion at all?
I must admit that this attitude makes no sense to me.
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Yaakov obviously spends more time shooting and producing art than hanging out on Internet message boards. Could this explain his initial ignorance of discussion forum etiquette? He apologized on this forum almost immedialely, and even offered to take down his posts if they were innapropriate, yet Michael and his elves have let the posts stand. Hopefully, some here who seem so eager to take offence at a minor breach of etiquette by a previously unheard of artist, who is way out of the mainstream, and producing beautiful work, will consider cutting the rabbi a little slack.
John
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Yaakov obviously spends more time shooting and producing art than hanging out on Internet message boards. Could this explain his initial ignorance of discussion forum etiquette? He apologized on this forum almost immedialely, and even offered to take down his posts if they were innapropriate, yet Michael and his elves have let the posts stand. Hopefully, some here who seem so eager to take offence at a minor breach of etiquette by a previously unheard of artist, who is way out of the mainstream, and producing beautiful work, will consider cutting the rabbi a little slack.
John
Exactly. He also explained -- in this thread -- his misunderstanding of a discussion forum: that he thought of it as a "bulletin board" rather than a like a room full of people, which is perfectly understandable. People just need to jettison their psychological baggage and enjoy the art.
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Exactly. He also explained -- in this thread -- his misunderstanding of a discussion forum: that he thought of it as a "bulletin board" rather than a like a room full of people, which is perfectly understandable. People just need to jettison their psychological baggage and enjoy the art.
If this was the only instance of this, I would tend to agree with you. But the same posts, and the same long story, found their way to my email inbox because he has been copy-and-pasting it to other places too. And this wouldn't necessarily draw my criticism either, until I realized he is only posting for personal gain. He hasn't spent any time on the boards here asking questions or answering others'. And my guess is that we'll never see another post from him when his book has come and gone. If anyone gets monetary gain from the boards, it should be Michael. I still think the postings are out of line.
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I say you are cheating yourself, then. You like it that much, but are not going to obtain it because the author is not modest enough to just keep quiet and hope people stumble across this work? Is "subtle" self-promotion okay for an artist? No promotion at all?
I must admit that this attitude makes no sense to me.
Well, the author basically copies and pastes his message his "shameless plug" in several places (I have seen it three times, one of them in addition to this one, is indexed by Google). Seems he himself doesn't think typing a personalized message is worth the trouble. As an artist trying to promote his work, a request for comments, some info on his creative process or even a simple link to his web site, where people could then have discovered his art, and eventually bought the book, would have been more appropriate imho.
I also have stuff to promote, also have children to feed - though not as many - but I could not imagine pushing my stuff that way. Let stuff, art, whatever promote itself on its value, or through sincere, heartfelt, communication. But not on copy paste.
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my guess is that we'll never see another post from him when his book has come and gone.
I'll consider that my loss, but I can't really judge a person to be at fault for that.
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Well, the author basically copies and pastes his message
Like making a poster, then photocopying it and pinning to a different bulletin boards around the neighbourhood. Except easier.
his "shameless plug" in several places
Why should he (or anyone) feel any shame when promoting themselves? I don't agree with the concept that there should be any shame in self-promotion.
I recognize the opinion being expressed here by yourself, jasonrandolph, and others. I just can't see the problem (as in, how does it harm anyone?), so we can agree to disagree.
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If you factor in the amount of time and money I spent on the project, I am making nothing from the sales of my book. All I wanted to do was to let people know that it exists. If I should have 'introduced' myself I have now done so with this post (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33199) on this website. I must say that I feel rather hurt by the accusations of being a moneygrabbing spammer. I am not. I worked for ten years on this book and all I would like is to see from it a little naches (Yiddish, untranslatable -- example -- feeling a parent has when one of the children succeeds)
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Yasinclair, count me among those who appreciate your joyful exuberance and your efforts to multiply it.
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When I read the first post, I got this overwhelming sense of "You too could improve your life, gain spiritual enlightenment, and make a great book (or whatever) if you just join a religious community, spend thousands of hours poring over ancient texts, and doing the beads-and-rattles thing with a bunch of fellow burnouts."
A 1950's comic, comparing a lengthy newspaper article on a street accident to his own very short article said "Woman, streetcar, foot slipped, there you are."
I appreciate these kinds of books and the effort that went into them, but I don't accept the religious arguments, since that's not enlightenment, it's just religion.
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yasinclair, no offense was intended by my remarks. In fact, I'm glad to see that you are here and participating in the discussion. I think we all can learn from others' experiences, so please, I think you have a lot to offer the discussion. As I said elsewhere, the images are quite good. If my comments were hurtful, my apologies. I hope you'll continue to post here and add to the ongoing discussions. And by all means, continue to share your experiences.
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dalethorn - Were we looking at the same posts? Yaakov Sinclair has made no reference to religion in any of his posts. He has not even identified himself as a rabbi, although others have done so. He just signs his name.
Perhaps you followed the link to his web site and read some of the commentary that accompanies some of the photos. This commentary does contain some religious stuff. After all, he's a rabbi. But if you don't go for it, then stop reading and just look at the pictures. While religion may not represent enlightenment to you, it does for many others. Whatever floats your boat is fine with me as long as you remain tolerant and respectful of others' beliefs. [The remainder of this post has been removed by the author.]
John
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dalethorn - Were we looking at the same posts? Yaakov Sinclair has made no reference to religion in any of his posts. He has not even identified himself as a rabbi, although others have done so. He just signs his name.
Perhaps you followed the link to his web site and read some of the commentary that accompanies some of the photos. This commentary does contain some religious stuff. After all, he's a rabbi. But if you don't go for it, then stop reading and just look at the pictures. While religion may not represent enlightenment to you, it does for many others. Whatever floats your boat is fine with me as long as you remain tolerant and respectful of others' beliefs. However, I find your implication that Yaakov's religious beliefs and lifestyle amount to a "beads-and-rattles thing with a bunch of fellow burnouts" to be insulting and offensive, and I'm not easily offended. I think you owe him an apology and some respect.
John
You're wrong. Completely wrong. I didn't look up the "information" elsewhere, I got it from the post. You say "followed the link", I say "got it from the post". Same deal, unless you want to redefine the Internet as red balloons or whatever. And BTW, if you go around demanding respect or apologies, you won't get them from anyone I know.
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This seems to be headed in a flame direction, which was not my intent, and for which I apologize for any involvement.
dalethorn - Please check your PM folder. I sent you a PM.
John
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This seems to be headed in a flame direction, which was not my intent, and for which I apologize for any involvement.
dalethorn - Please check your PM folder. I sent you a PM.
John
It turns out that one need not have followed the link - the religious rant was included in the post at Landscape and Nature Photography / Seasons Of The Moon. I assume that that post's reactions carried over here for more than one person.
One unfortunate(?) aspect of modifying a post after the fact is when it's already been quoted elsewhere. The boys in Washington have to deal with that every second, which seriously dilutes the quality of their conversation with us. I hope we don't get so uptight here that we're afraid to be candid and spontaneous.
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Sorry if my editing caused any confusion. I would rather propagate a little confusion than fan the beginning of a series of flames.
Dalethorn is correct. Yaakov Sinclair did mention religion in a post on another thread of the LL forums, which I had not seen. In his post, which can be viewed HERE (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33199) Rabbi Sinclair provided a bit of personal history, and explained how his book came to be published. In addition to discussing some interesting technical aspects of his photos, he also told the story of how his project changed from a written work with religious themes illustrated with a few photographs, to a photographic work with religious themes that still contained a little writing.
I think Yaakov's rather long post was a heartfelt and lucid description of the journey taken by one artist to publish a book of his photographs. I don't think it qualifies as a rant, and I don't think Yaakov is pushing his religious beliefs on these forums. I don't see anything wrong with explaining how one's religious beliefs influence his art. Apparently, dalethorn sees things differently. We will just have to agree to disagree.
The matters of faith that are most critical to me this weekend and next are those concerning the basketball gods. Go Tar Heels!
John
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I'm amazed at the amount of pettiness that I see in this thread, the world as we know it is literally falling apart around us, yet some around here seem to have nothing else to worry about but why someone is announcing book. Come on, please put pettiness aside and show some decency, allow a fellow photographer his 5 minutes of joy. Rising a little above small emotions wont cost you anything.
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Sorry if my editing caused any confusion. I would rather propagate a little confusion than fan the beginning of a series of flames.
Dalethorn is correct. Yaakov Sinclair did mention religion in a post on another thread of the LL forums, which I had not seen. In his post, which can be viewed HERE (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33199) Rabbi Sinclair provided a bit of personal history, and explained how his book came to be published. In addition to discussing some interesting technical aspects of his photos, he also told the story of how his project changed from a written work with religious themes illustrated with a few photographs, to a photographic work with religious themes that still contained a little writing.
I think Yaakov's rather long post was a heartfelt and lucid description of the journey taken by one artist to publish a book of his photographs. I don't think it qualifies as a rant, and I don't think Yaakov is pushing his religious beliefs on these forums. I don't see anything wrong with explaining how one's religious beliefs influence his art. Apparently, dalethorn sees things differently. We will just have to agree to disagree.
The matters of faith that are most critical to me this weekend and next are those concerning the basketball gods. Go Tar Heels!
John
I enjoy religion immensely, and have posted a few instructional mini-articles elsewhere. I think it's great that Mr. Sinclair enjoys it as well. The difference I see with the postings here is that I don't get offended unless someone starts preaching. Many of the specific tenets of religions instruct us in photography and in these forums without us even being aware of it. All of that is good. My negative response took into account the SPAM nature of the long post, along with the advocacy of a particular religion, rather than tenets of that religion.
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Those are some very powerful images my friend. Nice work indeed. I may have to get one of those to show up at my doorstep soon!