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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: dougorama1 on February 05, 2009, 08:56:48 pm

Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: dougorama1 on February 05, 2009, 08:56:48 pm
I know the Hasselblad software automatically corrects distortion w/ the 28 used on an H3D. But can I auto focus and shoot with the lens normally (auto aperture) on an H1 or 2 (knowing the corners will fall off at full frame as well)? The 35mm doesn't focus close enough for my purposes and a diopter defeats the optics of such a high end system.
Thanks for your answers so far...
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: jecxz on February 05, 2009, 09:03:58 pm
Quote from: dougorama1
I know the Hasselblad software automatically corrects distortion w/ the 28 used on an H3D. But can I auto focus and shoot with the lens normally (auto aperture) on an H1 or 2 (knowing the corners will fall off at full frame as well)? The 35mm doesn't focus close enough for my purposes and a diopter defeats the optics of such a high end system.
Thanks for your answers so far...
No, it will not work; you will get a Lens Not Compatible error message on the grip display.

Kind regards,
Derek
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Esben on February 05, 2009, 10:32:24 pm
Quote from: jecxz
No, it will not work; you will get a Lens Not Compatible error message on the grip display.

Kind regards,
Derek


Does the HC 28mm work on the Hasselblad H2F?

.e
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: BobDavid on February 05, 2009, 10:46:02 pm
Quote from: Esben
Does the HC 28mm work on the Hasselblad H2F?

.e

Yes, it works perfectly on an H2F. I rented one for an architectural shoot. The results were terrific.
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Esben on February 05, 2009, 11:02:13 pm
Quote from: BobDavid
Yes, it works perfectly on an H2F. I rented one for an architectural shoot. The results were terrific.


Does this mean, I would be able to use the HC 28mm on a H2F body with a Leaf Aptus digital back (with a sync cord)?


Best,
.e
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: BobDavid on February 05, 2009, 11:06:49 pm
Quote from: Esben
Does this mean, I would be able to use the HC 28mm on a H2F body with a Leaf Aptus digital back (with a sync cord)?


Best,
.e

No. The H2F is a closed system. You can use the Hasselblad CF backs with it.
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: marcel b on February 06, 2009, 03:20:28 am
strange - my hasselblad dealer offered me the H2F for use with my leaf back... what else should not work, when syncing with a cord and powering tethered or battery?
best regards,
marcel
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Paul_Claesson_HasselbladUS on February 06, 2009, 02:17:13 pm
Quote from: marcel b
strange - my hasselblad dealer offered me the H2F for use with my leaf back... what else should not work, when syncing with a cord and powering tethered or battery?
best regards,
marcel

The 28mm HCD is dedicated to the H2F with Hasselblad CF digital magazine, H2D, H3D and H3DII.
On an H1 or H2 you will receive the message "Lens Not Compatible"
H2F with a HM 16-32 film magazine you will also receive the message "Lens Not Compatible".

A third party digital back on an H2F will deliver the message "Module not compatible"

Paul Claesson
Hasselblad USA
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: erick.boileau on February 07, 2009, 04:12:05 am
a good reason for Hasseblad to do a H3   , HCD and other back compatible,  if not they will loose many H users
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: pixjohn on February 07, 2009, 01:22:05 pm
Thats the idea to lock user like me with a leaf back out. They want us to buy only there camera, lens and back.  Its a very sad business model but I guess it works for them. This is the same company that comes out with a new $7000 lens that does not even take advantage of there own new full size sensor?

Quote from: erick.boileau
a good reason for Hasseblad to do a H3   , HCD and other back compatible,  if not they will loose many H users
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: erick.boileau on February 07, 2009, 01:30:41 pm
Quote from: pixjohn
Thats the idea to lock user like me with a leaf back out. They want us to buy only there camera, lens and back.  Its a very sad business model but I guess it works for them. This is the same company that comes out with a new $7000 lens that does not even take advantage of there own new full size sensor?
Actually I don't know what to do , i got this proposition from PhaseOne in Germany >>
you will get a new PhaseOne Camera 645 AFD and P45+ with two new digital lenses  D AF 2,8 / 45mm  and D AF  4,5 / 75 – 150 mm  in exchange  Habla H1, 80mm, 35mm, 210mm and P45 for 10.000 euros without VAT
with a new H3 I 'll buy : a new H3 , the new 35-90mm ,the Tilt/Shift system  = about 10.000 euros for Hasselblad

a H3D is nothing for me as it is actually,  a new H3 will keep the old customers and some day I'll change for a H4D or a H5D, if I go to Mamiya or Leica S2  , I'll never come back to Hasselblad
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: hilljf on February 08, 2009, 05:20:24 pm
I remember reading somewhere that the current firmware upgrade for the H2 adds compatibility for the 28mm lense.

John
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Steve Hendrix on February 08, 2009, 08:24:50 pm
Quote from: hilljf
I remember reading somewhere that the current firmware upgrade for the H2 adds compatibility for the 28mm lense.

John


Not the H2, John, just the H2F, which only works with Hasselblad digital backs.

If you like the idea of a 28mm lens, actually if you like the idea of a 28mm lens which can be used with a full frame 645 sensor (or film!), consider the Phase One Camera System. We're working very closely with Mamiya on continued development of this system, and I believe a more and more compelling argument is being made for it. A vertical grip is on the way as well as Leaf Shutter lenses and umm, some other things.

Heck, you don't even have to put a Phase One back on it, you can use Hasselblad or Leaf or Sinar or....

But you might seriously consider putting the Phase One DB on it.      


Steve Hendrix
Phase One
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: joseph ramos on February 08, 2009, 10:56:22 pm
I spoke with Victor at Hasselblad and he assures me that the 28  works with the H2D with the latest firmware.
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Steve Hendrix on February 08, 2009, 11:14:47 pm
Quote from: joseph ramos
I spoke with Victor at Hasselblad and he assures me that the 28  works with the H2D with the latest firmware.


That could be. Although that still restricts use of that lens to Hasselblad digital users since the H2D is mated to a Hasselblad digital back only - no other digital back or film back will work.

As far as I know the 28mm does not work with the H2 camera. Paul Claesson, please correct me if I'm incorrect.


Steve Hendrix
Phase One
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Franc on February 28, 2009, 05:23:01 am
I've got a H3D and a 28mm. What I want to know is will the lens and back work on a H2. I want a film back and a backup body and I'm being offered a deal on a used H2 kit. Will it work with a firmware upgrade? Will the 28mm work on the body with the digital back installed? lastly can I still shoot film after a firmware upgrade.

Thanks, Franc
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: ixpressraf on February 28, 2009, 05:56:57 am
Quote from: Franc
I've got a H3D and a 28mm. What I want to know is will the lens and back work on a H2. I want a film back and a backup body and I'm being offered a deal on a used H2 kit. Will it work with a firmware upgrade? Will the 28mm work on the body with the digital back installed? lastly can I still shoot film after a firmware upgrade.

Thanks, Franc

get a hardware upgrade to a H2f and the lens will work with CF backs, the lenscirkel and corrections do not allow use with a film back.
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: jecxz on February 28, 2009, 06:04:37 am
Quote from: Franc
I've got a H3D and a 28mm. What I want to know is will the lens and back work on a H2. I want a film back and a backup body and I'm being offered a deal on a used H2 kit. Will it work with a firmware upgrade? Will the 28mm work on the body with the digital back installed? lastly can I still shoot film after a firmware upgrade.

Thanks, Franc
The 28mm will not work with a film back on an H2.
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Jozef Zajaz on February 28, 2009, 05:59:34 pm
Switch to p65+ and the mamiya 28mm , that baby is big


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5079...#specifications (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/507963-REG/Mamiya_210_613_Ultra_Wide_Angle_28mm_f_4_5_Sek.html#specifications)
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Guy Mancuso on February 28, 2009, 07:20:10 pm
About as tall as a Nikon 24-70 zoom lens. I have one and it is a nice lens
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Franc on March 01, 2009, 04:38:42 am
I'm not concerned about using the 28mm with a film back, I want the H2 body as a backup for the H3 body. I always like to have a backup body and I get a film back in the deal.

Franc
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: pixjohn on March 01, 2009, 01:53:44 pm
If you can't use the H2 you can forward the info to me, I am looking for a good deal on a 2nd H2

Quote from: Franc
I'm not concerned about using the 28mm with a film back, I want the H2 body as a backup for the H3 body. I always like to have a backup body and I get a film back in the deal.

Franc
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: stevebri on March 01, 2009, 02:20:33 pm
This thread is exactly why I left my Hasselblad system behind.  Add the problems with their file format and software and one has to ask... Could Hasselblad possibly think of anything else to put in the way to STOP a photographer going out and earning a living..?

Imagine going on location with your new H3DII that's on special at calumet for 15000usd.  What sort of back up have you got...?  Another 'spare' H3DII...?  Dodgy software, nothing works in Lightroom or Bridge...?  Bad wide lenses that 'need' special software to correct them...?



With Mamiya you are already in bed with Leaf and Phase One, all pulling together in the same direction, new products coming in all the time... and it all works smoothly with industry standard software, Capyure One, Lightroom and Bridge AND all the assistants in NYC and London are busy learning the latest Leaf software because it's the bee's knee's.

Where does that leave Hasselblad..?  You have to ask considering the current climate will they still be with us in 18 months time...?  Remember we lost Contax and at the time it's 645 was at the leading edge.

I moved to Mamiya and have been very happy also Mamiya is a working Pro's company, their reps and distributors don't have that 'elitist' attitude you get from Hasselblad people (you know who you are).

Similarly Phase One and Leaf reps just want you to see their great kit and show you how to apply it to your business.

Sorry to rant but the thread just opened it up.

Steve
Title: 28mm on an h1 or h2
Post by: Carsten W on March 01, 2009, 05:03:53 pm
Quote from: stevebri
This thread is exactly why I left my Hasselblad system behind.  Add the problems with their file format and software and one has to ask... Could Hasselblad possibly think of anything else to put in the way to STOP a photographer going out and earning a living..?

Imagine going on location with your new H3DII that's on special at calumet for 15000usd.  What sort of back up have you got...?  Another 'spare' H3DII...?  Dodgy software, nothing works in Lightroom or Bridge...?  Bad wide lenses that 'need' special software to correct them...?



With Mamiya you are already in bed with Leaf and Phase One, all pulling together in the same direction, new products coming in all the time... and it all works smoothly with industry standard software, Capyure One, Lightroom and Bridge AND all the assistants in NYC and London are busy learning the latest Leaf software because it's the bee's knee's.

Where does that leave Hasselblad..?  You have to ask considering the current climate will they still be with us in 18 months time...?  Remember we lost Contax and at the time it's 645 was at the leading edge.

I moved to Mamiya and have been very happy also Mamiya is a working Pro's company, their reps and distributors don't have that 'elitist' attitude you get from Hasselblad people (you know who you are).

Similarly Phase One and Leaf reps just want you to see their great kit and show you how to apply it to your business.

Sorry to rant but the thread just opened it up.

Steve


The flip side is that Mamiya has occasional, serious QA problems. There are several recent threads both here and on getdpi.com which discuss this. The shutter lag, while apparently now much improved, is still causing some people pause. The Hasselblad is not my idea of perfection, but I know people using them day in and and day out to earn their bread. The 28, while using software correction, does deliver great results. I don't understand Hasselblad's politics and exclusionary practices, but it seems to work for them. Me, I use one of those dead Contaxes...