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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: Hellstan on January 29, 2009, 06:12:51 pm
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So, Quimage don't like Mac.
What to choose for printing ?
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Lightroom?
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Lightroom?
Really ?
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I was talking with the guys at Qimage about this because I am moving away from a Windows based system towards a Mac. Unfortunately they said that they don't support Macs and don't plan on it in the future. The solution they said I might want to try out is to run Fusionware or Parallels on a Mac to run Qimage natively in windows and print from there. Sounds like it will work alright but it complicates things more than I would like.
I really like the simplicity of Qimage and wish there was an alternative for Macs. Maybe if there is enough of us and Qimage gains enough popularity they will think about expanding their business to OSX.
Andy
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I was talking with the guys at Qimage about this because I am moving away from a Windows based system towards a Mac. Unfortunately they said that they don't support Macs and don't plan on it in the future. The solution they said I might want to try out is to run Fusionware or Parallels on a Mac to run Qimage natively in windows and print from there. Sounds like it will work alright but it complicates things more than I would like.
I really like the simplicity of Qimage and wish there was an alternative for Macs. Maybe if there is enough of us and Qimage gains enough popularity they will think about expanding their business to OSX.
Andy
I'll never install Windoze on my Mac. Period.
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then you're not going to be using Qimage.
VMware Fusion works very well but to each his own.
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I'll never install Windoze on my Mac. Period.
A decent PC with Qimage running as a print server next to it ?
Cheaper than any other good solution, the PC does the dirty work and the Mac remains virgin all the time.
Not that I use a Mac though.
Ernst Dinkla
Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/)
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You could have a look at imagenest from bluecubit. It doesn't have all the features of Qimage buit is for OSx 10.4 onwards.
Downside is the cost - from $150 to $1000 depending on the size of your printer.
I have not used it as I am PC based, but I did have a look when deciding on my latest system.
I think the best bet is a PC with Qimage just for printing - still cheaper than imagenest!
Best
Andrew Stagg
www.bristolcanvas.com (http://www.bristolcanvas.com)
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I'll never install Windoze on my Mac. Period.
Have you tried CrossOver Mac ( http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/ (http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/) )? I don't know if it works with Qimage or not. A trial version is available so it might be worth spending 5 minutes to download it. Unlike Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion or VirtualBox, it doesn't require Windows.
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Have you tried CrossOver Mac ( http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/ (http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/) )? I don't know if it works with Qimage or not. A trial version is available so it might be worth spending 5 minutes to download it. Unlike Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion or VirtualBox, it doesn't require Windows.
Thanx a lot, François, I'll try this.
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Have you tried CrossOver Mac ( http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/ (http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/) )? I don't know if it works with Qimage or not. A trial version is available so it might be worth spending 5 minutes to download it. Unlike Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion or VirtualBox, it doesn't require Windows.
François,
It works.
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François,
It works.
Glad to hear it!
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Glad to hear it!
Only thing now I'll have to figure out these Windows shenanigans.
Well, there is a tutorial…
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Only thing now I'll have to figure out these Windows shenanigans.
Well, there is a tutorial…
I agree with you...
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I've been printing more and more from my MacBook Pro running Windows XP SP3 on Bootcamp. Absolutely fantastic. IT actually runs as well as MacOSx, maybe better.
It is amazing how the author has maintained Qimage pretty much alone. It would take a lot of code and coders to port it to UB for MAc. So much that it's just as easy to run Bootcamp and hook up over the LAN for printing.
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I've been printing more and more from my MacBook Pro running Windows XP SP3 on Bootcamp. Absolutely fantastic. IT actually runs as well as MacOSx, maybe better.
It is amazing how the author has maintained Qimage pretty much alone. It would take a lot of code and coders to port it to UB for MAc. So much that it's just as easy to run Bootcamp and hook up over the LAN for printing.
Neil,
With CrossOver, even better.
No need to give any money to Micro$oft.
Since I've learned how the Gate$ Foundation rakes contracts for M$oft,
for instance in South-America,
I'm even less inclined to do so.
Plus this :
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/04/gates-f...-antitrust.html (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/04/gates-foundation-antitrust.html)
http://www.uslaw.com/library/Corporate_&am...php?item=117823 (http://www.uslaw.com/library/Corporate_&_Securities_Law/Gates_Foundation_Under_Antitrust_Investigation.php?item=117823)
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With CrossOver, even better.
Be aware that Qimage+Crossover isn't a reliable combo. That at least is mentioned in a message on the DPreview forum.
If it works without flaws even on large prints that go beyond the driver's limit (Poster Tiles method) then it sure the most economic choice to get Qimage on a Mac.
Ernst Dinkla
Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/)
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I've been printing more and more from my MacBook Pro running Windows XP SP3 on Bootcamp. Absolutely fantastic. IT actually runs as well as MacOSx, maybe better.
It is amazing how the author has maintained Qimage pretty much alone. It would take a lot of code and coders to port it to UB for MAc. So much that it's just as easy to run Bootcamp and hook up over the LAN for printing.
I'm not familiar with boot camp - While running as widows, would I be able to access files that I have saved while operating as a mac? I suppose What I mean is that If I work on my photos in PS (which i have for Mac) what would be the process in accessing those files on Qimage once I've switched over to a windows setup?
Thanks,
TJ
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IF you format the Windows volume as Fat 32. NTSF is not write allowed to from the GUID partition. Only thing is Fat32 minimum file sizes are so much bigger....
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I've been printing more and more from my MacBook Pro running Windows XP SP3 on Bootcamp. Absolutely fantastic. IT actually runs as well as MacOSx, maybe better.
It is amazing how the author has maintained Qimage pretty much alone. It would take a lot of code and coders to port it to UB for MAc. So much that it's just as easy to run Bootcamp and hook up over the LAN for printing.
I'm really unclear as to what you say that you gain by running Windoze in Boot Camp (ie restarting the machine so it's running only Windows) as compared with running it under Fusion/Parallels (ie Windows and OS X simultaneously). The cost of the virtualisation software is trivial and the advantages seem to me overwhelming. I was able, when testing it, to run QImage in a way that made it seem pretty much like just another Mac application, albeit a rather odd-looking one. I suppose there's a very slight advantage in speed, but I'm sure that's de minimis when printing.
Why re-boot? (It's a genuine question.)
Jeremy
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It's just that BootCamp comes for free with Leopard. Before I ventured into spending more I wanted to know for sure it worked. I bought a Windows XP install disc and license for a reasonable price and with it I was all set.
I tried Parallels before I had the original Windows CD, but wasn't able to create a problem free slipdisc from my Virtual PC XP disc image.
Since Windows is on the portable, I have full access to the MAcs over the LAN so don't really need it running on resource intensive dual boot programs.
Perhaps on the editing Mac as there is currently 9GB of ram and 4Tb of disc.
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François,
It works.
Dear Hellstan!
Did you try crossover in deep? Does it really work or are there problems?
The dpreview forum article I found by doing a search was dated in 2006. A lot of time for improvements I would say ;-)
Crossover sounds as a perfect solution if it really works. I really would like to try Qimage for my Z3100.
Best regards,
Clem
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Dear Hellstan!
Did you try crossover in deep? Does it really work or are there problems?
The dpreview forum article I found by doing a search was dated in 2006. A lot of time for improvements I would say ;-)
Crossover sounds as a perfect solution if it really works. I really would like to try Qimage for my Z3100.
Best regards,
Clem
Dear Deelight,
No. Just went through the motions, every window and menu works perfectly, but did not have time to do some serious printing.
I'll let you know, but it won't be until end of the month.
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Dear Hellstan!
Did you try crossover in deep? Does it really work or are there problems?
The dpreview forum article I found by doing a search was dated in 2006. A lot of time for improvements I would say ;-)
Crossover sounds as a perfect solution if it really works. I really would like to try Qimage for my Z3100.
Best regards,
Clem
The quote I have seen is a year old:
I just installed the CrossOver trial on my MacBook (running 10.5.1) and then installed Qimage in CrossOver. Everything went perfectly well. And it runs smoothly as well!
The problem: you can print in CrossOver, and the printers installed on OS X are automatically recognised, but the print settings in CrossOver seem to be limited to paper size! If that's the case, it severly limits the interest of Qimage on the Mac...
end of quote
The printing through Wine seems to be the real problem.
Ernst Dinkla
Try: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/)
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Yes, Ernst, I found that, too. After my post above...
Anybody here in the forum who has tried Qimage and CrossOver successfully? Maybe someone is working with this solution???
Best,
Clem
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I'm using vmware fusion w/ qimage. Mostly works very well. But then again, it's a PC, so how well can it work? IOW, most of my problems have to do with windows weirdness.
Bill
Anybody here in the forum who has tried Qimage and CrossOver successfully? Maybe someone is working with this solution???
Best,
Clem
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most of my problems have to do with windows weirdness.
Bill
Ha, ha! This is why I never ever will install this piece of digital $x&/ on my machine... Just my 2 cent, of course.
If there is no chance to use Qimage without Windows - well, then I am not going to purchase Qimage. It´s very simple... although I really would love to have an easy printing solution for my Z.
Clem
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Hi Clem-
My advice (in spite of the above!) is- Get over it!
Seriously, if you are doing alot of printing of alot of different sizes from different files, Qimage makes everything so much- ... EASIER.
Qimage on Fusion works like any other mac program (Ok, there's the windows weirdness
you can go from mac programs to Qimage just like any other program switch.
It's the way to go, buddy.
(IMHO,YMMV, yadda)
Bill
Ha, ha! This is why I never ever will install this piece of digital $x&/ on my machine... Just my 2 cent, of course.
If there is no chance to use Qimage without Windows - well, then I am not going to purchase Qimage. It´s very simple... although I really would love to have an easy printing solution for my Z.
Clem
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Hi Clem-
My advice (in spite of the above!) is- Get over it!
Seriously, if you are doing alot of printing of alot of different sizes from different files, Qimage makes everything so much- ... EASIER.
Qimage on Fusion works like any other mac program (Ok, there's the windows weirdness
you can go from mac programs to Qimage just like any other program switch.
It's the way to go, buddy.
(IMHO,YMMV, yadda)
Bill
Hi Bill!
Okay, after 2 days of gathering information on the web I do the following and really kind of "get over it" - at least some 50% :
1. I install Parallels on an external eSata HD. You have to install it to the OS HD first, then make an archive of it and simply copy it to the external HD. Doubleclick archive and ready. Delete the Parallels folder on the OS HD not using the uninstall as there are some files deleted that are still needed on the OS HD.
2. Then I install my wifes HD with Windoof XP via migration on the external drive into the Parallels folder. Alternativly from CD of course.
Running XP without installing it on my machine
3. Install Qimage.
BUT: Now I have the question to you (or anybody who works with this combo) as you are using this as I understand...
4. Do I need to install the windows drivers of my Z3100 printer into the virtual windows aswell? I already run the printer under OSX but am not able to find my printer in Windows XP that is connected by WLAN. Other suggestion?
Thanks for your help!
Best regards,
Clem
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dont know about Parallels but in VMware Fusion, you have the choice of mapping the Mac's printers over to the Windows world or keeping them separate
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You do need to install the Windows drivers, and the Print Center utility.
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You do need to install the Windows drivers, and the Print Center utility.
Thanks, Neill!
On the HP website there are two drivers - which is the correct one for my Z3100 Standard 44?
I know that there had been some confusion about the files some months ago - but I cannot find an answer on the forum.
The following two are displayed:
HP-GL/2 and HP RTL Driver (82.3MB)
and
Raster Driver (90,5MB)
I believe the second one to be the good one, but why does it have more MB? So still confusion on my side...
Thanks for your help,
Clem
BTW: Is a certain order required? Driver 1st and Printer Utility 2nd or the other way round?
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I am on a PowerBook G4 still, so I can't use the windows emulators, bootcamp, etc.
Is there a good pure Mac alternative to Qimage?
What about Genuine Fractals, or is that a horse of a different color?
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I am on a PowerBook G4 still, so I can't use the windows emulators, bootcamp, etc.
Is there a good pure Mac alternative to Qimage?
What about Genuine Fractals, or is that a horse of a different color?
Not that I am aware of. The closest thing is Lightroom , or more expensive, ImagePrint rip.
Nothing does what Qimage does albeit on PC only.
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Okay, after I answered my questions by myself through learning by doing I installed the second file in my list and afterwards the printer utility.
Everything fine now, printer recognized, seems to be running... I stopped working when the printer refused to print because of missing paper. Thats it for today.
BUT... tomorrow some new problems will arise, I am sure. For example:
1. Do I have to reprofile all papers for the windows system?
2. Please don´t tell me that I have to install a complete extra colormanagement system on windows!?
3. Do I set colormanagement in Qimage OFF or what else?
Thanks for answers and if you know more than me because you already went through the same story don´t hesitate to tell me... I promise I will be strong.
BTW: Is is really worth having 2-3 days of trouble and installing to get to run Qimage? I really hope so...
Best,
Clem
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1. You should not have to reprofile papers, however, the profiles may need to be in a place (or copies in) a place that you can specify from Qimage.
2. Printer profiles (ie paper) are all you need
3. When you access the printer setup FROM WITHIN QImage, set color management to No adjustments (or equivalent)
4. In the Qimage Main screen, lower right corner, you will see a drop down box labeled PrintICC. Select the correct profile from here. Note that your general printer setup will take place in the Printer/Bolt icon in the upper right).
5. When all else fails, read the "Learn by example" in the Help file
It's worth it. Never worry about print sharpening, multiple files for different prints sizes, multiple files for different crops, etc again.
1. Do I have to reprofile all papers for the windows system?
2. Please don´t tell me that I have to install a complete extra colormanagement system on windows!?
3. Do I set colormanagement in Qimage OFF or what else?
Thanks for answers and if you know more than me because you already went through the same story don´t hesitate to tell me... I promise I will be strong.
BTW: Is is really worth having 2-3 days of trouble and installing to get to run Qimage? I really hope so...