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Equipment & Techniques => Computers & Peripherals => Topic started by: davidwfx on December 22, 2008, 01:43:15 am
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Does anyone know what's going on with the new NEC LCD2690WUXI2 display? I'd like to get one but cannot find it in stock anywhere. Does anyone have one, or has it not been released yet in the US?
I've been digging around the internet & the forums here but cannot find anything conclusive. It's not showing up at Amazon or B&H, and the websites that do show it (Provantage, etc) have it as a backorder/"special order" or just "0 in stock".
Any advice appreciated, thanks!
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Does anyone know what's going on with the new NEC LCD2690WUXI2 display? I'd like to get one but cannot find it in stock anywhere. Does anyone have one, or has it not been released yet in the US?
I've been digging around the internet & the forums here but cannot find anything conclusive. It's not showing up at Amazon or B&H, and the websites that do show it (Provantage, etc) have it as a backorder/"special order" or just "0 in stock".
Any advice appreciated, thanks!
It was only released into distribution late last week, so resellers should just be starting to get units in. With all of the Christmas rush I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't appear in stock until after Jan 1.
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Will,
Is the new monitor shipping in the SV version at the same time? What will be the retail price? Thanks.
John
The -SV versions of the LCD2690WUXi2 and LCD3090WQXi will be announced at MacWorld in January and will ship in the middle of January. Pricing will be just slightly higher for the LCD2690WUXi2 than for the LCD2690WUXi because of the new sensor that it will ship with. The press release at MacWorld will include all of the pricing info and details.
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The -SV versions of the LCD2690WUXi2 and LCD3090WQXi will be announced at MacWorld in January and will ship in the middle of January. Pricing will be just slightly higher for the LCD2690WUXi2 than for the LCD2690WUXi because of the new sensor that it will ship with. The press release at MacWorld will include all of the pricing info and details.
Great, thanks for the information. Will the software and sensor from the -SV versions be available separately, or is it worth waiting to order the -SV version in January?
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Does anyone know what's going on with the new NEC LCD2690WUXI2 display? I'd like to get one but cannot find it in stock anywhere. Does anyone have one, or has it not been released yet in the US?
I've been digging around the internet & the forums here but cannot find anything conclusive. It's not showing up at Amazon or B&H, and the websites that do show it (Provantage, etc) have it as a backorder/"special order" or just "0 in stock".
Any advice appreciated, thanks!
I bought one thru Amazon.com about 3 weeks ago for about $1100. Have you checked there?
Peter
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Great, thanks for the information. Will the software and sensor from the -SV versions be available separately, or is it worth waiting to order the -SV version in January?
Yes. All 3 purchasing configurations will be available i.e.:
1. -SV model (monitor with bundled sensor and software)
2. SV-KIT (sensor and software) if you purchased the monitor separately
3. SV-SOFT (software only) if you purchased the monitor separately and already have a supported sensor.
You may save a bit by buying the -SV bundle, but if you want to get the monitor ASAP, I would recommend getting that first, then ordering the SV-KIT when it ships.
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Will,
I already have a calibration puck. In this case, instead of the monitor with bundled sensor and software,
should I just get the SVII monitor plus the software kit?
~Michael
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Will,
I already have a calibration puck. In this case, instead of the monitor with bundled sensor and software,
should I just get the SVII monitor plus the software kit?
~Michael
As long as it is a supported and good device, then yes - you only need the software.
Will
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Excellent thread. I am also interested in the 2690WUXi2 product and have several additional questions:
Will NEC and this product be at the 2009 MacWorld in SF?
Does the Spectraview software support Xrite's ColorMunki?
Can the 2690WUXi2 be calibrated by the ColorMunki without use of the Spectraview software?
Does anyone have any experience and viewpoints on the ColorMunki
Thanks in advance,
Bob West
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Can the 2690WUXi2 be calibrated by the ColorMunki without use of the Spectraview software?
Bob,
You can calibrate with this device/software with Colormunki, but it is recommened you use their $99.00 software application for best results. You can use your own puck with their software and monitor.
~Michael
Speaking of munkis;
Did you know that Las Vegas churches accept gambling chips?
THIS MAY COME AS A SURPRISE TO THOSE OF YOU NOT LIVING IN LAS VEGAS , BUT THERE ARE MORE CATHOLIC CHURCHES THAN CASINOS.
NOT SURPRISINGLY, SOME WORSHIPERS AT SUNDAY SERVICES WILL GIVE CASINO CHIPS RATHER THAN CASH WHEN THE BASKET IS PASSED.
SINCE THEY GET CHIPS FROM MANY DIFFERENT CASINOS, THE CHURCHES HAVE DEVISED A METHOD TO COLLECT THE OFFERINGS..
THE CHURCHES SEND ALL THEIR COLLECTED CHIPS TO A NEARBY FRANCISCAN MONASTERY FOR SORTING AND THEN THE CHIPS ARE TAKEN TO THE CASINOS OF ORIGIN AND CASHED IN.
THIS IS DONE BY THE CHIP MONKS.
YOU DIDN'T EVEN SEE IT COMING DID YOU?
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Excellent thread. I am also interested in the 2690WUXi2 product and have several additional questions:
Will NEC and this product be at the 2009 MacWorld in SF?
Yes - booth 2510.
Does the Spectraview software support Xrite's ColorMunki?
The new version that will be released right after Macworld will support the LCD2690WUXI2 and the colorMunki.
Can the 2690WUXi2 be calibrated by the ColorMunki without use of the Spectraview software?
Yes. Just as the ColorMunki software can calibrate any display (using video card LUTs)..
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Yes. All 3 purchasing configurations will be available i.e.:
1. -SV model (monitor with bundled sensor and software)
2. SV-KIT (sensor and software) if you purchased the monitor separately
3. SV-SOFT (software only) if you purchased the monitor separately and already have a supported sensor.
I live in the UK and believe we do not get the same options here in Europe. IIRC NEC kit comes without software calibration tools, but if I was to get one of these or maybe the 30", would my Spider 3 Elite be compatible with your software if it is indeed present?
I'm thinking of getting the 26" as my two 19"s turned to portrait will sit nicely either side as they are the same pixel height, more elegant in use than using the 30" I'm thinking. Anyone with experience of this sort of setup?
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Will,
I didn't find any information about A-TW Polarizer in a new display! Does 2690wuxi2 have it ?
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Yes. Just as the ColorMunki software can calibrate any display (using video card LUTs)..
Will
Is there any reason why the Spectraview software and the NEC bundled hardware device would be superior for calibrating this monitor over the ColorMunki?
If one were planning to get the ColorMunki for other purposes (prints, other monitors, etc.) is there any reason to get the bundled NEC software and hardware?
PS the monitor looked wonderful at MacWorld today -- about the only thing exciting there...
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I think it was in another thread, Tom, that someone (Will?) went over this. This software is specific to this monitor series. You can use NEC's $99 software, and still use your Munki puck to calibrate, however.
Perhaps once we get the software, we'll understand. If Hardware LUTs are involved, then this easily makes sense.
R/
Michael
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Will
Is there any reason why the Spectraview software and the NEC bundled hardware device would be superior for calibrating this monitor over the ColorMunki?
Yes, it a BIG way. The display has high bit potential in its hardware, it can, with its host software, communicate with the instrument and set all the calibration to a much higher precision then a user trying to push buttons on the OSD. It turns this into a "Smart Monitor" whereby, once you tell the software your calibration target aim-points, you press one button and walk away while the entire system runs the calibration and profiling.
Having one of these great displays without the host software and supported puck is greatly reducing its overall capabilities and quality. Anyone who's got a SpectraView should be using the bundled NEC software and supported instrument! Especially at its very modest price point.
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Hi, Heads up..
I do graphic design and after a lot of research ordered the 2690uxi2. The newer-2 with wider gamut and contrast, lut, uniformity control, ips makes it an absolute no brainer for a graphics monitor at a fraction of Eizo.
I just received a new 2690uxi2 from Provantage. I had placed the order back in October. I also ordered the nec- spectraview,eye one kit which IMO is an absolute necessity if you buy this monitor.
I have not received the color calibrator kit yet but so far am very impressed. The uniformity, capability, fidelty and options are a visible day/night step up from even the best non graphics LCD's.
There are some really nice features I like on here like,
A dedicated panel button that can be used to toggle to srgb color space..
Backlight sensors and a front panel control allows you to set the actuall-true luminosity level in cd/m^2
Uniformity compensation..
Some things to be aware of, the monitor is currently shipping without drivers or cd. So currently I don't even have factor ICC profiles for this monitor! I called NEC lab and they confirmed it's not available yet. If you get the spectraview kit you will be building your own icc so this isn't an issue but something you need to be aware of. Without even an generic factory icc in place, not even color managed programs will be right since without an icc windows (and all applications) assume the monitor is srgb gamut.
If you have any questions for me about this monitor (since I have one) fire away..
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Hi, Heads up..
I do graphic design and after a lot of research ordered the 2690uxi2. The newer-2 with wider gamut and contrast, lut, uniformity control, ips makes it an absolute no brainer for a graphics monitor at a fraction of Eizo.
I just received a new 2690uxi2 from Provantage. I had placed the order back in October. I also ordered the nec- spectraview,eye one kit which IMO is an absolute necessity if you buy this monitor.
I have not received the color calibrator kit yet but so far am very impressed. The uniformity, capability, fidelty and options are a visible day/night step up from even the best non graphics LCD's.
There are some really nice features I like on here like,
A dedicated panel button that can be used to toggle to srgb color space..
Backlight sensors and a front panel control allows you to set the actuall-true luminosity level in cd/m^2
Uniformity compensation..
Some things to be aware of, the monitor is currently shipping without drivers or cd. So currently I don't even have factor ICC profiles for this monitor! I called HP lab and they confirmed it's not available yet. If you get the spectraview kit you will be building your own icc so this isn't an issue but something you need to be aware of. Without even an generic factory icc in place, not even color managed programs will be right since without an icc windows (and all applications) assume the monitor is srgb gamut.
If you have any questions for me about this monitor (since I have one) fire away..
I'm also very interested in this monitor! How looks like uniformity and deepth of black ? Does it use an A-TW Polarizer ?
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Yes I do believe it has an A-TW polarizer I notice no off angle glow.
The back light- luminosity uniformity appears good. overall. I do perceptual see some coating variation causing very slight winkled paper bag type clouding in the lower right corner (about 4by4 inch area)... with certain colors.
This clouding is jusst on the visual threshold of what im able to see.. thankfully its in a lower corner region that will only host the gui.. I imagine they use a pretty thick coatings on this.
(http://www.mscwar.com/members/sniperx/2690cloud.JPG)
(I desaturated the pic in PS. this photo as shown here is exaggerating the effect quite a bit from how it actually looks but I wanted to give you you an idea of what im talking about)..
Though I don't see any bad "sparkling" I can faintly see the grain structure of the coatings but only by purposefully trying to focus in on it. I have seen monitors where the grain structure of coatins are large enough to be visual distracting, this is not all the case on the 2690uxi2.
Color uniformity
Uniformity compensation is simply amazing. Without the uniformity setting to off im jusst seeing a red bias on the left hand side vs right.. .. to test, im using a solid color of srgb(251,240,240). But then as I increase the Uniformity setting from off to 1 throuh 5.. it evens out to where I can no longer visuall or perceptually see any diff. the uniformity compensator definitly does its job! Ican't imagine any reason to not have this set to full.. except for gaming, video where youd want full brightness.. The uniformity control is absolutely IMO what makes puts this monitor into a pro-graphics level.. BTW, at uniformity setting 5, the brightest it can go is 170 cd/m2
The black levels with medium to low ambient lighting is looks like the monitor is off at full black. with lights out you can definitly see its got some luminosity but also there is zero bleedthrough whatsoever, clouding or edge flashlighting. when I say none I mean 0 nada, nothing, not even perceptually.
Contrast is very good.. The test is the best I have ever seen and turned to a luminosity of 130cd/m2 is so easy on the eyes I can look at it all day without strain. I waited for this monitor because of the 1000 contrast ratio. and am not sorry i did.
The color and color ramp fidelity is very good. To put it to test I put in srgb mode and put down patches of 255,255,255, 254,254,254 253,253,253 and can easily see each edge transition..
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Mlmcasual, thanks for great overview! My congratulations! As for me it's the best monitor avaliable on market. (If you prefer IPS Panel) I wanted to buy previous model but after all decided to wait for this!
The back light- luminosity uniformity appears good. overall. I do perceptual see some coating variation causing very slight winkled paper bag type clouding in the lower right corner (about 4by4 inch area)... with certain colors.
This clouding is jusst on the visual threshold of what im able to see.. thankfully its in a lower corner region that will only host the gui.. I imagine they use a pretty thick coatings on this.
This slight variations can dissapear after a week or so, as a spectrum of backlight comes into the norm.
I waited for this monitor because of the 1000 contrast ratio. and am not sorry i did.
Me too and for decreased brightness.
What is the minimal level of brightness ? (with colorcomp off) Can it be set up to 80, 90 cd/m2 ?
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I waited for this monitor because of the 1000 contrast ratio. and am not sorry i did.
Me too and for decreased brightness.
What is the minimal level of brightness ? (with colorcomp off) Can it be set up to 80, 90 cd/m2 ?
What makes you both think a "1000 contrast ratio" is useful? Do you know what the typical contrast ratio is of a print?
I'd be real hard pressed to see you get anything close to 80/90cd/m2, at least physically out of the unit. Even 140cd/m2 is getting pretty close to the lower end without resorting to non physical adjustments which are of questionable usefulness. Why drive a display so low?
My 2690 is set at what I think is a safe, minimal luminance or 150cd/m2. That said, I have to turn my GTI box down digitally to 50% to get a match. At 90cd/m2, that box has to go way, way down.
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What makes you both think a "1000 contrast ratio" is useful? Do you know what the typical contrast ratio is of a print?
Contrast is normally rated at best case which is full brightness.. seeing how the 2690wuxi2 is lower in brightness over the wuxi1 yet has a higher contrast nomally indicates it produces better blacks. I don't have wuxi1 to compare so I can't confirm this but a better contrast ratio is certainly benefit.
I'd be real hard pressed to see you get anything close to 80/90cd/m2, at least physically out of the unit.
Well, then your in for a surprise.. I know I sure was! This wuxi2 has internal backlight sensors and allows you to directly set the brightness by luminosity in cd/m^2 on the monitors front panel controls.
You can set the 2690wuxi2 all the way down to 50 cd/m2. I need to confirm with a calpuck but by eye I can see zero hue shift all the way down to 50 cd/m2.. non graphics monitors I have used this is absolutely unheard of.. so im stunned to say the least.. in fact my last high end pva benq could only go down to 150cd/m2 before hue shifting.
To further test I used one of my graphic posters (printed on a HPdesignjet 24"-satin photo and foamcore mount) and put it side by side the 2690uxi2. The 2690uxi2 can be set all the way down to 50cd/m2 with no Hueshift. I then slowly bumped up the luminosity setting untill the luminosity of whites,darks matched perceptually between monitor and print.. Essentially seeing what luminosity setting to use for a true matching soft proof.. What I found was about 90-100 cd/m2 matched the tonal luminosities so they looked identical.. This luminosity setting corresponds to a number of professional designers Iv read that say about 80-100 is needed for true softproofing.
My 2690 is set at what I think is a safe, minimal luminance or 150cd/m2.
That number (at least on the 2690uxi2) is way to high for softproofing, but probably ok for nonsoftproofing.
hat is the minimal level of brightness ? (with colorcomp off) Can it be set up to 80, 90 cd/m2
The min is 50 cd/m2 with or without colorcomp. color comp only limits the max luminance to 170cd/m2 at max uniformity setting setting. With uniformity comp off, the brightness can be set set up to 320 cd/m2.
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Well, then your in for a surprise.. I know I sure was! This wuxi2 has internal backlight sensors and allows you to directly set the brightness by luminosity in cd/m^2 on the monitors front panel controls.
By physically lowering the backlight OR adjusting the panel (albeit in high bit)?
On my two NEC's, I don't need to lower this via the OSD as I can specify what I want to hit with the SpectraView II software. Point is, there is a true, physical lower luminance the panel can hit by actually controlling the Fluorescent bulbs. I've been told by reliable sources, out of the box, 150cd/m2 is that limit which will lover over time (usage).
Finally, why drive it so low (other than to get the max possible hours out of the unit which is arguably 25K or so). One of the benefits of LCD displays over CRTs is the fact we don't need to drive them so low and work in a dim cave. Not that the ambient light can be too low.
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That number (at least on the 2690uxi2) is way to high for softproofing, but probably ok for nonsoftproofing.
Its fine for soft proofing. It matches my GTI box once I control it's luminance with the digital dimmer. At 150cd/m2. I'm ONLY at 50% on the digital readout for the reflective output.
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Hi. What is an ATW polarizer?
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I don't have a desktop viewer .. so am using ambient office lighting unfortunately... and for for this, 90 to 100 cd/m2 looks very comparable for luminance levels to softproof.. If your using a brightly lit viewbox then It sounds your 150 is needed, but without I can see 150 would be way overblown for ambient office light. Now you can see I shouldn't be using ambient.. but im constrained.. also im putting out to 24x36"
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I don't have a desktop viewer .. so am using ambient office lighting unfortunately...
Which is suboptimal. Unless the stars all align, getting this viewing condition to match both the luminance and color temp to match the display is iffy. If the idea is a close screen to print matching, its real useful to have as much (or more) control over the viewing of the print as you have over the display. If we can calibrate and define (profile) our displays, there's little reason we can't do this for the print viewing. ICC output profiles make some assumptions here (usually a default of D50). My printer profiles are tuned to my viewing booth(s). That affects the soft proof and the output.
Everything you can do to narrow the variables and define the CMS, the closer your match.
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All my work goes to 4 color presses for all my clients, magazines, marketing, etc. When I get tearsheets back I know that for the most part my setup is as generally close to provide the correct density and output when it goes to presses I have no control over. So how does it when we all have our monitors at different luminance.
The luminance (box and display) should match the clients (or vise versa). There has to be standards implemented for configuring remote sites in the print to display pipeline.
If you got output profiles for the contract proofing system, you'd be soft proofing far closer still.
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So what I am trying to understand is, if three of us are working on files and we all have different luminances with the end goal of sending files out, what prevents the person with high luminance from getting dark prints, the person with low luminance from getting too light prints.
We don't. We all do have the same luminance settings. These don't have to be static either. You can build sets based on the output. But there has to be defined targets everyone aims for.
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You lost me there on We all do have the same luminance settings. 110, 120, 150. How do these not majorly affect output density if we manipulate images visually.
There are two processes here. One is getting the screen to match the print. That means they have to be very nearby (otherwise how do you know they match? Running into and out of rooms doesn't count).
The numbers one uses to hit the calibration targets vary just as the ambient light and control, the setup of the print viewing conditions, down to the color of the carpet, all play a role.
Then there's the idea of multiple people seeing the same thing, meaning you build a reference environment and carefully spec all the parameters for each site (I'm actually doing this now with a big client). What the client sees in room 206 and what someone on the other side of the world see match. Both are in this reference environment with specified viewing and calibration target values.
YOU can build a suite of such settings. Proofing under your own light box, which matches client A who will view both a proof and final press run, like you, under the same viewing conditions is the key. Another client might use a different viewing condition which you need to attempt to simulate (or get them set to match you).
Someone at the press site will pull both a contract proof and a press proof and view them under some controlled and hopefully specified condition of which you can also view that printed output (and of course, match to your display).
There isn't a single, correct setting for anything but TRC Gamma IMHO. That leaves of course luminance and white point.
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D.Dog.
You have far more experience and know how then myself on this subject
Here is what I understand to be true from hands on use.....
The element needed in this discussion is viewing condition/light the print will be viewed in by end user.
From what I am seeing, working with a bright 150cd/m^2 would be good for properly well lit conditions but for what the environment I am printing for is office, trade show and for that lighting a lower monitor luminosity of 80-100 will get me a much more faithful match of tonal luminosities. A 150 would indeed match a view box but when the print is viewed in lower light, the lower tones would be lost. I realize ideally the end product should be well lit, but this is not always the case and hence why I think some cases require a lower luminosity setting on the Monitor.
am i correct or missing something?
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If you don't need to match the display to a printed output, you can set luminance and white point to whatever you like as long as the brightest white in the environment is the display (and ideally the darkest black but that's affected by ANY ambient light).
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Thanks,
Getting back to the thread topic.. Im very impressed with the 2690wuxi2 I have but have some additional warnings to potential buyers..
NEC spectraview2 software-calibrator is CURRENTLY not compatible with the nec2690wuxi2. NEC is working on updating the spectraview software. I was told the opposite by NEC before buying the kit.. unfortunately they seem to be some disorganization there at NEC.
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Very Odd indeed!
I have just the monitor (non-sv) which im pretty sure they are not shipping the SV. How can they? they don't even have the software written yet. ... I ordered the eyeone-spec2 kit separate. Oddly the kit software did include some factory ICC's for the 2690wuxi2 but you can't get the ICC's nor drivers off the NEC website.
Bottom line is, NEC is selling and delivering the 2690uwxi2 without any drivers or cal support.. Not sure that is a wise move..
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By physically lowering the backlight OR adjusting the panel (albeit in high bit)?
On my two NEC's, I don't need to lower this via the OSD as I can specify what I want to hit with the SpectraView II software. Point is, there is a true, physical lower luminance the panel can hit by actually controlling the Fluorescent bulbs. I've been told by reliable sources, out of the box, 150cd/m2 is that limit which will lover over time (usage).
Finally, why drive it so low (other than to get the max possible hours out of the unit which is arguably 25K or so). One of the benefits of LCD displays over CRTs is the fact we don't need to drive them so low and work in a dim cave. Not that the ambient light can be too low.
How do this NEC monitor compare to the Eizo or Lacie?
Thanks Denis
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How do this NEC monitor compare to the Eizo or Lacie?
Thanks Denis
Lacie - re-branded nec monitors with a bit higher price. Their 526 model is the same as nec 2690 wuxi1. (with Lacie calibration software and sensor) Eizo uses PVA panels. (cg 222, cg 241, cg 242, cg 301). IPS panel currently use: Lacie, Nec, Quatographic. As for the price/quality - Nec is very good.
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How do this NEC monitor compare to the Eizo or Lacie?
Thanks Denis
Lacie - re-branded nec monitors with a bit higher price. Their 526 model is the same as nec 2690 wuxi1. (with Lacie calibration software and sensor) Eizo uses PVA panels. (cg 222, cg 241, cg 242, cg 301). IPS panel currently use: Lacie, Nec, Quatographic. As for the price/quality - Nec is very good choice.
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...I'd be real hard pressed to see you get anything close to 80/90cd/m2, at least physically out of the unit. Even 140cd/m2 is getting pretty close to the lower end without resorting to non physical adjustments which are of questionable usefulness. Why drive a display so low?
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The "Print Standard" target parameter file supplied with Spectraview II (or at least the version I have, which is 1.0.42) sets luminance at 80 cd/m². What's up with that?
Nill
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The "Print Standard" target parameter file supplied with Spectraview II (or at least the version I have, which is 1.0.42) sets luminance at 80 cd/m². What's up with that?
I suspect its trying to mimic that old ISO spec. The PDF manual describes it as:
Print Standard
Commonly referred to as Proofing Standard. Used widely for the proofing of color transparencies or press output.
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Finding it gave me a little more confidence as I kept ratcheting down the luminance on my 2090uxi, which is now at 80 cd/m² and gives me a good match to my prints.
I would like to start a new thread just to discuss this issue of finding the "right" luminance values for our monitors under various circumstances — together with creating, or at least recognizing, appropriate viewing environments for evaluating prints. These are the parts that I'm still not grokking.
Nill
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Nill, when I used a LaCie Electron Blue IV, I set my luminance to 80 cd/m², which gave me the best match with my prints when viewed using 50 watt Solux 4700K bulbs at a reasonable distance.
My LaCie died and I plan to replace it with an NEC LCD2690WUXI2, but I don't have one, yet, so I can't comment on it.
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Nill, when I used a LaCie Electron Blue IV, I set my luminance to 80 cd/m², which gave me the best match with my prints when viewed using 50 watt Solux 4700K bulbs at a reasonable distance.
So had you move the light closer, the match would not be produced until you upped your display luminance.
There's no right answer here expect the one that produces a match however, we DO need to look at what target calibration aim points our displays can hit natively. We also need to look at the ambient light (either from just the viewing booth or in combo with other lighting). IF you MUST set the display luminance to something really low for an LCD (80, even 90cd/m2), the ambient light has to be that much lower (according to old ISO spec, 16-25 lux). That's not easy and in some cases desirable but for some doable. If your ambient light is above 25 lux but you're calibrating at 80cd/m2, that's a problem. But if the ambient light itself doesn't change but you raise the display luminance (and to an appropriate level the print luminance) no worries.
There's NO reason why you have to keep a really low print and display luminance to get a match, that's the point. You have to look at the entire environment. Can you control the ambient light to a very low level? Can you use the Solux bulbs at the distance you desire and get the appropriate print luminance you can now "match" by altering the display luminance? Can you get the display to such a low level (is it ideal or does it cause issues with other areas in the calibration and profile process)?
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The -SV versions of the LCD2690WUXi2 and LCD3090WQXi will be announced at MacWorld in January and will ship in the middle of January. Pricing will be just slightly higher for the LCD2690WUXi2 than for the LCD2690WUXi because of the new sensor that it will ship with. The press release at MacWorld will include all of the pricing info and details.
Does this mean that there is a new version of the i1 display 2 puck included with the lcd2690wuxi2-sv? But, the currently available xrite i1 display 2 is still compatible with the latest version of the spectraview software and the lcd2690wuxi2?
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Does this mean that there is a new version of the i1 display 2 puck included with the lcd2690wuxi2-sv? But, the currently available xrite i1 display 2 is still compatible with the latest version of the spectraview software and the lcd2690wuxi2?
The new kits include th i1 Display 2 WG, which I assume stands for wide gamut. I am still using the original i1 Display 2, which came with my Z3100ps printer, with the new SpectraViewII software.. The new SpectraView software has 3 options for dealing with the primaries: Factory Settings for non wide-gamut colorimeters, Colorimeter for the wide gamut models, and Auto, which makes the decision for you.
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Ok, thanks Walter. I guess there must be some advantage in using the new wide gamut puck, but it's good to know the i1 display 2 is compatible.
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I bought the NEC 2690WUXi with spectraview from B&H. The software that came with the gretagmacbeth puc was spectraview II. There is a newer version on line dated January which is compatible with both the 2690WUXi and the 2690WUXi2. Here is the link and information on compatible pucks and graphics cards.
http://www.necdisplay.com/SupportCenter/Mo...s/spectraview2/ (http://www.necdisplay.com/SupportCenter/Monitors/spectraview2/)
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I bought the NEC 2690WUXi with spectraview from B&H. The software that came with the gretagmacbeth puc was spectraview II. There is a newer version on line dated January which is compatible with both the 2690WUXi and the 2690WUXi2. Here is the link and information on compatible pucks and graphics cards.
http://www.necdisplay.com/SupportCenter/Mo...s/spectraview2/ (http://www.necdisplay.com/SupportCenter/Monitors/spectraview2/)
Just be aware that there are issues using the 2690 WUXi with BOTH PPC and 'some' Intel Mac Pros with Mac OSX 10.5.6
See this thread. LL Thread (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=31424)
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I bought the NEC 2690WUXi with spectraview from B&H. The software that came with the gretagmacbeth puc was spectraview II. There is a newer version on line dated January which is compatible with both the 2690WUXi and the 2690WUXi2. Here is the link and information on compatible pucks and graphics cards.
http://www.necdisplay.com/SupportCenter/Mo...s/spectraview2/ (http://www.necdisplay.com/SupportCenter/Mo...s/spectraview2/)
That link shows two versions of the SpectraView Kit, SVII-KIT and SVII-PRO-KIT, and both contain a link for more information. Both links send you to the same place, which doesn't show two versions. So, what's the difference in the two kits? If there is a difference, and I buy the LCD2690W2-BK-SV, which version do I get?
I've been considering purchasing an NEC LCD2690 for some time. It seems to me, however, that trying to decipher the information on the NEC web site is almost impossible. The confusion noted above is just my most recent example. Fortunately, Will Hollingworth has been very helpful in clarifying many questions about NRC displays, and I hope he will do so once again.
Dean
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I received the spectraview II software which I updated to the newer version and the gretagmacbeth color puck.
Here is your monitor link
link for Nec 2690WUXi2 with SV (http://www.necdisplay.com/cms/documents/ColorBrochures/SpectraView_LCD_Brochure_1208.pdf)
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Here are the answers in the form of a FAQ that we will be posting online soon:
Q. What is the difference between the color sensor used in the SVII-KIT and the new SVII-PRO-KIT?
A. The new SVII-PRO-KIT includes an NEC branded X-Rite iOne Display V2 color sensor that is custom calibrated for increased measurement accuracy with our wide color gamut displays such as the LCD2690WUXi, LCD2690WUXi2, LCD3090WQXi, and P221W. It is backward compatible with standard color gamut displays. The SVII-KIT included an NEC branded X-Rite iOne Display V2 but did not have any custom calibration.
Q. I already purchased a copy of SpectraView and would like to upgrade my color sensor to the new custom calibrated NEC branded X-Rite iOne Display V2. Is it possible to purchase just the sensor?
A. Yes. The part number for the sensor alone is MDSVSENSOR2 and it is available for purchase directly from NEC (www.necdisplay.com ->"buy now" -> "accessories").
Q. Are there any technical differences with the display monitor between purchasing the full "-SV" bundle, and separately purchasing the display monitor and SVII-PRO-KIT?
A. No. In the US and Canada the display monitor in the "-SV" bundle is exactly the same as if the display monitor was purchased separately. Purchasing the "-SV" bundle is usually slightly cheaper than buying separately.
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Now I'm confused which one do I have? (Nec 2690 WUXi SV) Oh yes, and many thanks for taking the time to set the whole spectraview issue straight.
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Thanks, Will. Once again, you were very helpful in answering technical questions about the NEC displays.
I now plan to purchase the LCD2690W2-BK-SV, and sell my current iOne Display 2. I'll likely list it for sale on this forum first. If anyone is interested, it's in like new condition, including the box and everything that came with it new.
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SVII-PRO-KIT availability?
It is coming up as Out of Stock on the NEC website (I realise they don't ship outside the US but a friend will purchase it then send it to me). Any other places it can be purchased from?
My 2690WUXi2 just arrived! :-)
In the meantime am I best to set it to AdobeRGB or calibrate it with my eye1 display2?