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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: hs0zfe on November 27, 2008, 10:27:51 am

Title: Kiev 88 and the like - not for pros, or just substandard?
Post by: hs0zfe on November 27, 2008, 10:27:51 am
I read some articles on the Hartblei TS lens and was wondering about the Ukranian made Kiev Hasselblad copies.

I heard they are mechanically problematic, sometimes brute force is needed.

What about the lenses?

Some 20 years ago, I bought a Russian made "Lubitel" TLR for 6x6 which turned out to be both, plastic and junk. Those Kiev's sell in the standard configuration for about $ 100 / EUR 80 on eBay. What's your verdict? Have you tried more of their lenses than the standard 80 mm?
Title: Kiev 88 and the like - not for pros, or just substandard?
Post by: eronald on November 27, 2008, 07:18:37 pm
Quote from: hs0zfe
I read some articles on the Hartblei TS lens and was wondering about the Ukranian made Kiev Hasselblad copies.

I heard they are mechanically problematic, sometimes brute force is needed.

What about the lenses?

Some 20 years ago, I bought a Russian made "Lubitel" TLR for 6x6 which turned out to be both, plastic and junk. Those Kiev's sell in the standard configuration for about $ 100 / EUR 80 on eBay. What's your verdict? Have you tried more of their lenses than the standard 80 mm?

The shutter is s**t. Optics are ok. There was a company in Germany that put cloth shutter sin the Kievs. At that price, how can you go wrong ?
There are also some prism-finder ex-east german MF cameras around.

Edmund
Title: Kiev 88 and the like - not for pros, or just substandard?
Post by: ixpressraf on November 28, 2008, 03:06:35 am
These camer'a are just different, from an other millennium, othet world. Lenses are sh*t, body is sh*t, east european lenses CJZ-lenses are soso usuable but never at mamiya or hasselblad level...... but they render the world in a very beutifull way. I simply love russian optics because of it's weaknesses that can be used for special effects. For that reason we had a Kiev adapted to fit a hasselblad diital back. looks strange but works fin.
Title: Kiev 88 and the like - not for pros, or just substandard?
Post by: Thomas Krüger on November 28, 2008, 03:45:42 am
You can check Foto Wiese at Hamburg, they are specialized on russian equipment:
http://www.wiese-fototechnik.de/e/etop_1.htm (http://www.wiese-fototechnik.de/e/etop_1.htm)
Title: Kiev 88 and the like - not for pros, or just substandard?
Post by: A.K. on November 28, 2008, 06:06:40 pm
Bodies are horrible, people spend more time forcing them to work then taking photos. Lenses are quite similar. But I know several people who are making rather good and moody shots with Kiev and CZJ optics. http://www.photosight.ru/users/18985/ (http://www.photosight.ru/users/18985/)