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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: woof75 on October 21, 2008, 10:21:13 am
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The big glaring issue with capture one 4.5 which makes it pretty much useless in a professional environment is that there isn't a small 100 percent view focus window. How it works on a shoot is that your tech person looks at the window which has a 100 percent view on the eyes (or wherever you need focus) to check focus and the client looks at the full size preview to see the shot. It's not hard, it's pretty basic, has phase one never asked how a professional shoot works?
It has lots of fancy new tricks in it but without this feature it is essentially useless to shoot to.
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What is so hard about double clicking the preview or use a scroll wheel, or hit a icon. Even a keystroke. There are 4 or 5 ways to get 100 percent.
Shot tethered in almost all of this with version 4
Watch the video http://www.fielddominance.com/getdpi/ (http://www.fielddominance.com/getdpi/)
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What is so hard about double clicking the preview or use a scroll wheel, or hit a icon. Even a keystroke. There are 4 or 5 ways to get 100 percent.
Shot tethered in almost all of this with version 4
Watch the video http://www.fielddominance.com/getdpi/ (http://www.fielddominance.com/getdpi/)
Because, as I mentioned, if your tech does that then your client can't see the full preview. Also, it's just not practical while your shooting.
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The big glaring issue with capture one 4.5 which makes it pretty much useless in a professional environment is that there isn't a small 100 percent view focus window. How it works on a shoot is that your tech person looks at the window which has a 100 percent view on the eyes (or wherever you need focus) to check focus and the client looks at the full size preview to see the shot. It's not hard, it's pretty basic, has phase one never asked how a professional shoot works?
It has lots of fancy new tricks in it but without this feature it is essentially useless to shoot to.
Yes, however with 3.7 if the photographer was shooting a a moderate pace the next image would come in before even the small making checking focus impossible. One really great thing about Capture One 4.5 is that you can set an image a compare item by just hitting enter. then you can check focus on that image wile the others come in beside it.
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Yes, however with 3.7 if the photographer was shooting a a moderate pace the next image would come in before even the small making checking focus impossible. One really great thing about Capture One 4.5 is that you can set an image a compare item by just hitting enter. then you can check focus on that image wile the others come in beside it.
I'll give that a go, I hadn't seen that. I find that any pause, even like 2 seconds, in shooting would give 3.7 time to clear the focus window.
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I just tried it and it is a good trick but it is very nice to have a full screen preview and a little box at 100 percent for focus. It was a super useful feature of 3.7.
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What is so hard about double clicking the preview or use a scroll wheel, or hit a icon. Even a keystroke. There are 4 or 5 ways to get 100 percent.
Shot tethered in almost all of this with version 4
Watch the video http://www.fielddominance.com/getdpi/ (http://www.fielddominance.com/getdpi/)
If you have 6 clients staring into the monitor you really can't interrupt the flow to check focus, even running a second image side by side.
The little window in 3.78 was good (though it ate a lot of horsepower), because it was a technical afterthought that the clients didn't really pay any attention to.
They just watched the images come in to get the feel that the shot was there. To a client, it's a given that your in focus.
It allowed you to mirror a monitor away from the tech station so the clients could be involved but not in the middle of the work station.
Anything that distracts is confusing.
I always felt the best system was Leaf's v-8. It was cumbersome and had to be reset though it had one separate window that was a contact sheet where there was a complete overview of the session and another window for a larger image.
In some way EOS ultility and DPP does that also.
The perfect client system would be a three monitor setup. One for the tech that could check focus and detail, etc. and a second and third monitor (away from the tech station) dedicated to the clients. One monitor would have thumbnails of the complete session the other would just present the full image as it is being shot.
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Focus tool will be back (according to Ulf L. of Phase Forum and Phase support)
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They just watched the images come in to get the feel that the shot was there. To a client, it's a given that your in focus.
That is what there paying for and if you can't focus to begin with get a new career. Frankly you stop all the time for stylists ,makeup and everything else . It is nothing to check your focus, it literally takes 2 seconds. A little window in my mind is worthless, I need glasses to see it anyway. LOL
To each his own. i see no need myself.
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They just watched the images come in to get the feel that the shot was there. To a client, it's a given that your in focus.
That is what there paying for and if you can't focus to begin with get a new career. Frankly you stop all the time for stylists ,makeup and everything else . It is nothing to check your focus, it literally takes 2 seconds. A little window in my mind is worthless, I need glasses to see it anyway. LOL
To each his own. i see no need myself.
I'm not sure who needs to find a new career here Guy? Lets just say, the very best photographers in the world are always checking focus as they know for one reason or another they don't always have it. We'll leave it at that.
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I know just busting chops here , we are just so freaking spoiled anymore. I think a lot of us forget where we came from and we had nothing but your brain and experience to get it right because there was nothing to show you if you did . I see posts like this and just laugh, after 35 years I'm just happy I can still see. LOL
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You can't make it work the same in 4.5, the earlier version, you could move it around more easily to where you want to see focus. I have really come to rely on it. partly because, yes my vision isn't quite what it used to be.
There are some really good things about the new version and I know I will learn to get used to it, but there are some important features from the old version that are just missing. I was actually told by someone on the Phase forum quite a while ago that it would be back in the pro version.
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You can't make it work the same in 4.5, the earlier version, you could move it around more easily to where you want to see focus. I have really come to rely on it. partly because, yes my vision isn't quite what it used to be.
There are some really good things about the new version and I know I will learn to get used to it, but there are some important features from the old version that are just missing. I was actually told by someone on the Phase forum quite a while ago that it would be back in the pro version.
Also, it will be ages before assistants have figured out how to use 4.5, I'm sticking with 3.7 to shoot to and 4.5 to develop Raw files.
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I just tried it and it is a good trick but it is very nice to have a full screen preview and a little box at 100 percent for focus. It was a super useful feature of 3.7.
You can essentially have this now by utilizing the 2nd monitor setup in Window>Workspaces>Two-Monitor.
You can shrink the 2nd monitor and keep it displayed at 100% with the main window at any zoom ratio you like. It doesn't shrink quite as small as I'd like, but it does shrink to a manageable size and it can be toggled in and out of the frame at will Window>Viewer>Capture One (no shortcut yet that I know of).
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
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I agree with James that it is better for everyone to have a monitor that displays images for the clients at a separate location than the tech, and I also agree it is very important to be able to see the focus as you are shooting.
As a digi-tech I run across the situation where focus slips off the eyes and a quick word to the photog saves a bunch of images, so that is a must.
But i've been running 4.5 since it came out and can't see why we can't satisfy both of these concern.
If when shooting, I "show viewer" (under window) it opens a separate window that can be used only to view the selected images and has its own control for zooming. So the client can be starring at the whole image on one monitor and I can be clicking around checking focus and messing with tools on the other one and everyone is happy.
Similarly, you can set up the client monitor with a compare image of their choice and have it sit on the screen as new images pop up next to it. Seems good to me.
Brandon
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You can essentially have this now by utilizing the 2nd monitor setup in Window>Workspaces>Two-Monitor.
You can shrink the 2nd monitor and keep it displayed at 100% with the main window at any zoom ratio you like. It doesn't shrink quite as small as I'd like, but it does shrink to a manageable size and it can be toggled in and out of the frame at will Window>Viewer>Capture One (no shortcut yet that I know of).
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
Steve,
When you say the viewer window doesn't shirk as small as you would like, how small are we talking. I was have been testing it in windows (as opposed to my mac) for the first day today and I can shrink the viewer window smaller than I would ever want, and then it acts similar to the focus window did in 3.7.9.
That being said, I can't remember if I could (or if I even tried) in the mac version the last 2 days to shrink that window much. It should be noted that the Windows version also lets you toggle between the 2 windows with alt+tab as the manager(win) looks at every window open as opposed to every program(mac), not that I work with PCs often enough for it to matter and the ability to create custom tool tabs and float the tools outweighs the toggle benefits anyway.
Hope everyone has a good day,
Brandon
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I agree with James that it is better for everyone to have a monitor that displays images for the clients at a separate location than the tech, and I also agree it is very important to be able to see the focus as you are shooting.
As a digi-tech I run across the situation where focus slips off the eyes and a quick word to the photog saves a bunch of images, so that is a must.
But i've been running 4.5 since it came out and can't see why we can't satisfy both of these concern.
If when shooting, I "show viewer" (under window) it opens a separate window that can be used only to view the selected images and has its own control for zooming. So the client can be starring at the whole image on one monitor and I can be clicking around checking focus and messing with tools on the other one and everyone is happy.
Similarly, you can set up the client monitor with a compare image of their choice and have it sit on the screen as new images pop up next to it. Seems good to me.
Brandon
I haven't run 4.5, (though we are loading it on a pc to see how it tetheres to a Canon). I probably won't use 4.5 until December at the earliest due to schedule and I don't like to introduce new anything when there is a lot of pressure on the schedule.
So I will have to say I don't know it's functions and it may do everything I eventually need.
I do know very well how clients review a session and edit and their requirements and it's much nicer for a client if the captured image is large, the session is on a seperate monitor so they can go back and call up some images for review before we move on.
It is also much nicer for the digital tech if the clients are close but at another station. We routinely run a second 23" or 30" monitor to the clients so the tech can do his/her work and not be distracted.
As far as focus, whatever, but I guess it depends on how you shoot, how much is going on in the room and it also depends on the shot. Focus can be easy or hard, but in the world of digital focus is very critical and seems to be less forgiving than the film days.
I just shot with the 110 F2 on my contax's and everything close up was dead on, everything further back we had to adjust for some back focus, but then again I shoot a lot very close to wide open so there is very little room for error. Having the 3.78 window was nice and made it easier to adjust quickly on a busy day, without interfering with the clients view of the shoot.
On these instances it's great when the tech catches it early, we adjust and then everything is fine.
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I'm not sure who needs to find a new career here Guy? Lets just say, the very best photographers in the world are always checking focus as they know for one reason or another they don't always have it. We'll leave it at that.
I also took exception to your sub-title on this thread, "unusable for a pro." I'm a pro, I am very happy with the new features, and it works great for me. And clearly my needs are different than yours...
Perhaps it would have been better if you had not made it such an all-inclusive statement and said something like, "makes it unusable for me" or "makes it unusable for this pro..."
Cheers,
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It doesn't shrink quite as small as I'd like, but it does shrink to a manageable size and it can be toggled in and out of the frame at will Window>Viewer>Capture One (no shortcut yet that I know of).
I was have been testing it in windows (as opposed to my mac) for the first day today and I can shrink the viewer window smaller than I would ever want, and then it acts similar to the focus window did in 3.7.9.
That being said, I can't remember if I could (or if I even tried) in the mac version the last 2 days to shrink that window much
On Windows you can shrink it as small as you like (stamp size). On Mac there is a limit as you can fade in all the tools in the viewer. On Windows you can't fade in the tools.
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On Windows you can shrink it as small as you like (stamp size). On Mac there is a limit as you can fade in all the tools in the viewer. On Windows you can't fade in the tools.
Thanks for that Tho Mas.
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
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I also took exception to your sub-title on this thread, "unusable for a pro." I'm a pro, I am very happy with the new features, and it works great for me. And clearly my needs are different than yours...
Perhaps it would have been better if you had not made it such an all-inclusive statement and said something like, "makes it unusable for me" or "makes it unusable for this pro..."
Cheers,
Sorry, do you want me to draft up a proposal of a topic, we can all go through it, draft any amendments, have a quick vote and then I could re post it? For workshops it's probably great.
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You can essentially have this now by utilizing the 2nd monitor setup in Window>Workspaces>Two-Monitor.
You can shrink the 2nd monitor and keep it displayed at 100% with the main window at any zoom ratio you like. It doesn't shrink quite as small as I'd like, but it does shrink to a manageable size and it can be toggled in and out of the frame at will Window>Viewer>Capture One (no shortcut yet that I know of).
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
OK today we installed 4.5 on a vista machine, everything is up to Phase specs, os, ram, drives, etc.
When attempting to tether to the Canons, once plugged in the program jams and nothing will operate. Not even shut down. You have to reboot the computer and the same process happens again.
When attempting to tether to the p30+ using the back's batter to power the 4 pin fw cable, the program doesn't jam, but it will not recornize the camera.
We've gone through this process a dozen times, same result.
Steve, do you know anyone that is expert in vista and 4.5 ( and can be reached quickly) that knows how to overcome these issues?
thx.
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Sorry, do you want me to draft up a proposal of a topic, we can all go through it, draft any amendments, have a quick vote and then I could re post it? For workshops it's probably great.
Not at all. Just don't assume you speak for *all* pros when you espouse your own personal feelings...
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OK today we installed 4.5 on a vista machine, everything is up to Phase specs, os, ram, drives, etc.
When attempting to tether to the Canons, once plugged in the program jams and nothing will operate. Not even shut down. You have to reboot the computer and the same process happens again.
When attempting to tether to the p30+ using the back's batter to power the 4 pin fw cable, the program doesn't jam, but it will not recornize the camera.
We've gone through this process a dozen times, same result.
Steve, do you know anyone that is expert in vista and 4.5 ( and can be reached quickly) that knows how to overcome these issues?
thx.
James
I'm told it shouldn't make any difference with 4.5, but you might try running in 32 bit mode if you are in 64 bit, or vice versa. Probably won't make any difference. I've chatted with your dealer, US-based tech support, and Denmark-based support and from this information, there are no clear reasons for this.
If changing the bit modes don't produce any results, it would be good to open a support case from the website.
Do you have a similar workstation that this can be duplicated from?
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
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I'm told it shouldn't make any difference with 4.5, but you might try running in 32 bit mode if you are in 64 bit, or vice versa. Probably won't make any difference.
As far as I know: huge difference. On Vista64 there is no way to tether any camera at all! Not even the Phase backs. I may be wrong but as far as I know this is the case.
Do you have a similar workstation that this can be duplicated from?
Really don't want to be disrespectful... but why don't YOU (Phase) try out all that?
Or at least publish release notes with all the issues (starting at false or missing keyboard shortcuts and menu commands and not yet ending with tools left out in the initial release).
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James
I'm told it shouldn't make any difference with 4.5, but you might try running in 32 bit mode if you are in 64 bit, or vice versa. Probably won't make any difference. I've chatted with your dealer, US-based tech support, and Denmark-based support and from this information, there are no clear reasons for this.
If changing the bit modes don't produce any results, it would be good to open a support case from the website.
Do you have a similar workstation that this can be duplicated from?
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
We switched to 32 bit but it didn't change anything. We also dumped then reinstalled the software, downloaded he appropriate drivers, same issues.
Obviously I'm new to windows so this could be something on our end, but I even went so far as to read the pdf manual, which for me was a first.
We have anoher older windows system, but it's not running vista.
Thanks for your help.
James
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We switched to 32 bit but it didn't change anything. We also dumped then reinstalled the software, downloaded he appropriate drivers, same issues.
Obviously I'm new to windows so this could be something on our end, but I even went so far as to read the pdf manual, which for me was a first.
We have anoher older windows system, but it's not running vista.
Thanks for your help.
James
James:
Is this a Canon Mark III or II?
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
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J.Gilbert of Phase One in the P1 Userforum about tethering to Vista64:
"The answer is that Capture One and tethering Drivers are 32bit applications. Applications of course can be translated in a 64bit OS, Drivers however cannot, this is why tethering currently does not work."
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As far as I know: huge difference. On Vista64 there is no way to tether any camera at all! Not even the Phase backs. I may be wrong but as far as I know this is the case.
Really don't want to be disrespectful... but why don't YOU (Phase) try out all that?
Or at least publish release notes with all the issues (starting at false or missing keyboard shortcuts and menu commands and not yet ending with tools left out in the initial release).
You are correct, regarding the 64 bit tethering.
No, you're not being disrespectful...we certainly will try that out, which is why i requested a support case. Once a support case is made with all the pertinent information, our internal technical support will pick that up and begin testing to see if they can reproduce the problem (assuming it is an unknown issue).
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
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When attempting to tether to the Canons, once plugged in the program jams and nothing will operate. Not even shut down. You have to reboot the computer and the same process happens again.
James,
With the Phase/Contax, why not just go back to an Apple laptop to tether to 4.5 Pro, since the USB is not a factor?
Avoid the Windows thing altogether.
Understandable with the Canon, due to USB speed.
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James,
With the Phase/Contax, why not just go back to an Apple laptop to tether to 4.5 Pro, since the USB is not a factor?
Avoid the Windows thing altogether.
Understandable with the Canon, due to USB speed.
I am on my way out to do 4 countries and I would like to limit how many computers I take. The dell is great for the Canons, but I thought it would be nice to be able to tether the Phase backs as a backup so I went ahead and downloaded 4.5 and three of us "used' 3 hours today trying to get it to connect to the Dell.
Because I don't trust new stuff, we even read the pdf but it said nothing about the 32 bit drivers.
Anyway, I could just bring 2 intel powerbooks but as we all know the drivers on mac are slow when tethering to the Canons.
I guess we just carry more stuff, though with Russia I need the exact serial numbers of the equipment to match the Carnet.
In fact the Carnet has to be translated into Russian (which it is), but once again it must be exact or at this stage I would just leave the Contaxs and just take the Canons.
But I do appreciate everyone's help.
thx.
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del
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you mean - everyones help except Phase!
I think that's a little harsh, Steve.
While we didn't solve the problem - so far - we had one of our dealers own technical support person involved, one of our own internal technical supporters in the USA on the phone with the digital tech for a good hour, and we had involvement from Denmark, not to mention an Area Sales Manager also involved. There was a lot of effort involved in diagnosing and troubleshooting the issue, and the issue remains un-resolved and the source of the problem remains unknown. And hopefully we'll find out what was causing all the trouble - it could be many things, computer, camera, software - that all remains unknown at this point.
But regardless of the issue and regardless of the resolution, without any effort to resolve an issue on the part of the manufacturer no issue would ever get resolved, and this was certainly not a case where good support was not in place and in fact it was exercised.
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
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Any reason why Phase does not tether with Nikon Camera's?
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James:
If you continue to have issues with Dell tethering your Canons to C1 Pro 4.5, try this - remove EOS Utility from the Dell and launch C1 again. See if ths solves your problem
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Anyway, I could just bring 2 intel powerbooks but as we all know the drivers on mac are slow when tethering to the Canons.
I guess we just carry more stuff, though with Russia I need the exact serial numbers of the equipment to match the Carnet.
thx.
James,
Honestly just curiosity: if you want to limit your physical load, are more familiar with mac, but need to have windows for faster Canon use, then why not use bootcamp to have windows and mac on one computer?
Doug
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Any reason why Phase does not tether with Nikon Camera's?
It's a stated goal that they are working with. The reasons were Nikon/Phase licensing/legal-mumbo-jumbo rather than technical. It seems some of those non technical hurdles have been crossed. No timeline given, but Nikong teterhing is moving forward.
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Sorry, do you want me to draft up a proposal of a topic, we can all go through it, draft any amendments, have a quick vote and then I could re post it? For workshops it's probably great.
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James,
Honestly just curiosity: if you want to limit your physical load, are more familiar with mac, but need to have windows for faster Canon use, then why not use bootcamp to have windows and mac on one computer?
Doug
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
We were going to do that when I added the new intel book this week, but then it takes partitioning of drives, running seperate os systems, some people report it works fast, others have issues and I have very little time.
I thought just loading a dell laptop would be easier and honestly the Dell is a very nice machine with 640 gigs of drive space and vista is an easy os to learn, at least for capture and some quick processing.
If I could run 4.5 on the dell machine it would lighten us and allow us to only carry one intel powerbook instead of two. Now I don't know and though I do appreciate the help I wonder if anyone has run 4.5 tethered on a vista machine?
We tried to go onto Phase's support forum and even though I have two accounts (2 c-1 licenses) I can not get on the site to see if it's possible. We just get a series of redirects and finally onto the site as a guest which doesn't show any threads.
Anyway, at this stage I'm just about out of time as we leave early thursday am and this is a large production so we're more than slammed.
So back to the original quesiton, why run it on a pc? Well, I guess because I have one, do a lot of work with the Canon on the dell and it makes sense to have it available for my Phase backs also, since the software was listed as compatible with vista and our configuration.
thx
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Any reason why Phase does not tether with Nikon Camera's?
I haven't tried it on the new 4.5 yet, on the 3.7 there's a workaround:
XP, 32 bit, Nikon D2x for me:
Launch Nikon Camera Control, choose folder, tether camera (there are two settings for USB in the camera, one of them works)
Launch C1, choose the same folder (did this without creating a session)
The very first time, Windows tried to stop the Nikon software, a security conflict maybe, I was able to de-activate this.
I isn't as fast as a Dback with Firewire of course, but for studio, it works. Will try this with 4.5 too soon.
Tom
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I think that's a little harsh, Steve.
While we didn't solve the problem - so far - we had one of our dealers own technical support person involved, one of our own internal technical supporters in the USA on the phone with the digital tech for a good hour, and we had involvement from Denmark, not to mention an Area Sales Manager also involved. There was a lot of effort involved in diagnosing and troubleshooting the issue, and the issue remains un-resolved and the source of the problem remains unknown. And hopefully we'll find out what was causing all the trouble - it could be many things, computer, camera, software - that all remains unknown at this point.
But regardless of the issue and regardless of the resolution, without any effort to resolve an issue on the part of the manufacturer no issue would ever get resolved, and this was certainly not a case where good support was not in place and in fact it was exercised.
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
Steve
You are right - i deleted it
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James,
Honestly just curiosity: if you want to limit your physical load, are more familiar with mac, but need to have windows for faster Canon use, then why not use bootcamp to have windows and mac on one computer?
Doug
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
But, back to the original issue.
Has anyone from Phase got 4.5 to tether on vista and in my case a Dell?
Did Phase test 4.5 in vista?
I would think that is a standard configuration for the PC world, or is it just not possible?
Any help would be apppreciated.
Thx.
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James some release notes . Not sure it helps. I am not on a PC so i am out of this
System requirements
Capture One 4.5 may run on other and older equipment than what’s listed below but to ensure the
best possible results we recommend that your computer at least conforms to the following
specifications:
Microsoft® Windows®:
• Intel® Pentium® 4 or equivalent
• 1 GB of RAM (2 GB when working with digital backs)
• 10 GB of free hard disk space
• Calibrated color monitor with 1280 x 800, 24 bit resolution at 96dpi screen ruling
• Windows XP®, service pack 3 or Windows Vista®, service pack 1
• Microsoft® .NET Framework version 3.0
• A PDF reader is needed to access the help file
Apple® Macintosh®:
• Intel-based Macs
• 1 GB of RAM (2 GB when working with digital backs)
• 10 GB of free hard disk space
• Calibrated color monitor with 1280 x 800, 24 bit resolution at 96dpi screen ruling
• Mac OS X 10.5.5 or later
• Please note that you need an internet connection when activating Capture One 4.5.
(For Phase One digital back users, the application can be run in the “Capture One digital back
only” mode. The application is fully functional in this mode and doesn’t require activation or an
internet connection)
The above hardware specifications is to be considered as minimum requirements, if you work with
high resolution camera systems or simply want to optimize the performance, please f ollow the
recommendations below:
• Using processor with multiple cores, e.g. Intel CoreTM Duo or better
• Having 2 GB of RAM or more
• Plenty of hard disk space for your images!
• A fast hard disk
For tethered shooting with Phase One digital backs ensure that your system complies with the
following recommendations:
o Sufficient Firewire power supply, i.e. 10W is required, which is more than what many
laptops are able to supply.
o Activate “Force Battery” setting in Digital Back when using host computer with
insufficient Firewire power supply.
o Use the 4.5 m Phase One Firewire cable
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James some release notes . Not sure it helps. I am not on a PC so i am out of this
System requirements
Capture One 4.5 may run on other and older equipment than what’s listed below but to ensure the
best possible results we recommend that your computer at least conforms to the following
specifications:
Microsoft® Windows®:
• Intel® Pentium® 4 or equivalent
• 1 GB of RAM (2 GB when working with digital backs)
• 10 GB of free hard disk space
• Calibrated color monitor with 1280 x 800, 24 bit resolution at 96dpi screen ruling
• Windows XP®, service pack 3 or Windows Vista®, service pack 1
• Microsoft® .NET Framework version 3.0
• A PDF reader is needed to access the help file
Yea it exceeds all of that. It is the 17" studio version maxed on processor, ram, video card and drives.
4.5 works on the dell, as long as you don't tether, but working in the electronic equipment business means different things to different companies.
As stated it won't tether through usb for the canons (freezes the program) and wont recognize the p30+ or p21+ though we have downloaded the appropriate drivers.
I was told by someone that works with Phase One that there is issues with vista but they weren't specific.
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Did Phase test 4.5 in vista?
Any help would be apppreciated.
James, I am running 4.5pro on Vista 32bit (desktop, not laptop). It's running pretty well (no crashes) with Intel 4x 2.4GHz; 4GB RAM.
The main thing with Vista is to speed up the entire OS by deactivating certain processes (about 10 or even more services like air effects, recovery, defender, system search index and others...).
If you're interessted in I can PM you a list with all the processes to be disabled (that are not needed for the system, the contrary). As you are new to Windows you may not know them yet. But I don't know if there are different processes in the 64bit and 32bit version - I only know about the 32bit!
If your Dell has 4GB RAM next thing is to give 3GB RAM to the apllications (by default it's just 2GB - the half is for the system).
As to tethering I can not help... my P45 is not supported in Vista at all (regardless of 32bit or 64bit).
You should know about this knowledgebase article:
http://phaseone.com/HOME/Content/Support/A...mp;LanguageID=1 (http://phaseone.com/HOME/Content/Support/Article.aspx?articleid=2270&LanguageID=1)
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James, I am running 4.5pro on Vista 32bit (desktop, not laptop). It's running pretty well (no crashes) with Intel 4x 2.4GHz; 4GB RAM.
The main thing with Vista is to speed up the entire OS by deactivating certain processes (about 10 or even more services like air effects, recovery, defender, system search index and others...).
If you're interessted in I can PM you a list with all the processes to be disabled (that are not needed for the system, the contrary). As you are new to Windows you may not know them yet. But I don't know if there are different processes in the 64bit and 32bit version - I only know about the 32bit!
If your Dell has 4GB RAM next thing is to give 3GB RAM to the apllications (by default it's just 2GB - the half is for the system).
As to tethering I can not help... my P45 is not supported in Vista at all (regardless of 32bit or 64bit).
You should know about this knowledgebase article:
http://phaseone.com/HOME/Content/Support/A...mp;LanguageID=1 (http://phaseone.com/HOME/Content/Support/Article.aspx?articleid=2270&LanguageID=1)
Thanks for the link.
We have done this, actually a few times auto and manually, but still get the same response through 4.5 of it not recognizing the camera.
If it is something we're missing or doing wrong we will continue to try to make this work, but if vista is just not supported with 4.5 then obviously we'll just have to go with the macs.
I haven't heard a definative answer so I don't know.
But I do appreciate the help.
thx.
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but if vista is just not supported with 4.5 then obviously we'll just have to go with the macs.
I didn't really understand - are you running 64 or 32bit Vista?
4.5 runs on Vista32bit.
Should run on Vista64bit, too (me I can not confirm this).
Tethering: only on Vista32bit.
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Thanks for the link.
We have done this, actually a few times auto and manually, but still get the same response through 4.5 of it not recognizing the camera.
If it is something we're missing or doing wrong we will continue to try to make this work, but if vista is just not supported with 4.5 then obviously we'll just have to go with the macs.
I haven't heard a definative answer so I don't know.
But I do appreciate the help.
thx.
hope not coming up with the obvious - but have you tried a real short usb lead? usb connections are a lot more complex than it may appear due to handshake timing that has to be within certain spec, hence the issue over length
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hope not coming up with the obvious - but have you tried a real short usb lead? usb connections are a lot more complex than it may appear due to handshake timing that has to be within certain spec, hence the issue over length
Yes, but that's not it as the Canon will tether flawlessly to eos utility on the dell.
I really don't care if 4.5 works with the Canons as I like EOS and it works solid.
It's just tethering the phase backs that is an issue.
thx.
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Yes, but that's not it as the Canon will tether flawlessly to eos utility on the dell.
I really don't care if 4.5 works with the Canons as I like EOS and it works solid.
It's just tethering the phase backs that is an issue.
thx.
i knew that the canon worked with the EOS, but there is a chance that the phase programming itself has a different timing cycle to access the usb data flow
i think someone already mentioned about removing the EOS program ( not sure if you tried that or even want to) but there is a setting in the EOS program that automatically recognises when anything is connected to a USB port, you might want to check that is off in case it is causing a conflict
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i knew that the canon worked with the EOS, but there is a chance that the phase programming itself has a different timing cycle to access the usb data flow
i think someone already mentioned about removing the EOS program ( not sure if you tried that or even want to) but there is a setting in the EOS program that automatically recognises when anything is connected to a USB port, you might want to check that is off in case it is causing a conflict
The EOS utility may be running in the background, and preventing C1 from accessing the USB port. Disable the EOS utility from starting up automatically at boot-up, restart and check if tethering the Phase back is possible.
Kumar
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That actually sounds very reasonable. From memory i think the EOS utility does run in the background. This is a while back mind you but that maybe it.
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That actually sounds very reasonable. From memory i think the EOS utility does run in the background. This is a while back mind you but that maybe it.
That's not it, we've installed, uninstalled EOS utility.
It's something in the Phase drivers. Vista locates them and downloads but they aren't recognized by the software.
It's also not vista running 64 bits, because we are running vista on 32 bits. As of now 4.5 just doesn't tether to vista or at least my machine.
At this point I'll follow up from the road.
Anway, nothing yet, but a lot of thanks to Dave Gallagher and his group for working to get a fix. They may be close, I don't know yet, but thanks again.
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That's not it, we've installed, uninstalled EOS utility.
It's something in the Phase drivers. Vista locates them and downloads but they aren't recognized by the software.
It's also not vista running 64 bits, because we are running vista on 32 bits. As of now 4.5 just doesn't tether to vista or at least my machine.
At this point I'll follow up from the road.
Anway, nothing yet, but a lot of thanks to Dave Gallagher and his group for working to get a fix. They may be close, I don't know yet, but thanks again.
From what you have said, it may not just be the Phase driver, because the IDs driver is working as proven by the Eos program working, yet the Phase program locks up etc with the 1Ds. I know its the Phase camera you want to get working, but since the 1Ds does connect to the computer, might be good to focus on it as trying to test the system with 2 different cameras may be helping to miss whatever is going wrong or set wrong etc. I guess you have tried all the USB ports on the computer
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Anway, nothing ...
Yank out the CF card when you are shooting tethered.
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Yank out the CF card when you are shooting tethered.
Yes, done all of this. Maybe it's not the drivers, maybe it's the program. Once again with the 1ds3 the C-1 software freezes, with the phase backs it just doesn't connect.
With eos utility it tetheres to the 1ds3. Shame eos won't work with the Phase, but I guess that isn't in Canons best interest.
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With eos utility it tetheres to the 1ds3. Shame eos won't work with the Phase, but I guess that isn't in Canons best interest.
Oh my god, that is classic.
We have officially now come Full Circle.
When DPP and EOS Utility rule the world, we will KNOW we're in trouble!
James: Think small. Think easy. Why kill yourself? Next you'll be buying laptops over there when you arrive, with Russian operating systems on them. Why complicate? Take the Canons and make your life easy. Remember, in the end, it's gonna be out-of-register 150-line CMYK. That is the Great Equalizer.
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Oh my god, that is classic.
We have officially now come Full Circle.
When DPP and EOS Utility rule the world, we will KNOW we're in trouble!
James: Think small. Think easy. Why kill yourself? Next you'll be buying laptops over there when you arrive, with Russian operating systems on them. Why complicate? Take the Canons and make your life easy. Remember, in the end, it's gonna be out-of-register 150-line CMYK. That is the Great Equalizer.
I like eos utility. It's ugly, kind of pc amateur looking at startup, but the previews are huge and smooth and with the pc it comes in real fast so it's fine.
Your right, keep it simple and I could leave the Contax except for that bloody carnet for Russia. What is on it has to go with it and either in a fit of paranoia or exhaustion I decided 11 days ago, to "sure take the Contax's we'll probably use them, what could be the problem?".
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Hate to say it James, but did you install with your virus protection on? Those real-time virus protection apps are known to botch installations and should be turned off during installs.
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Hate to say it James, but did you install with your virus protection on? Those real-time virus protection apps are known to botch installations and should be turned off during installs.
We made sure there was no virus protection running when we loaded 4.5
Anyway;
We just arrived in Seoul. I just blew off the thought of the Dell for these projects, mostly because we're out of time and even if 4.5 did tether on vista it was a software we are not familiar with, so we'll just tether the Canons and the Phase to one of the intel books and stick with 3.78 for the Phase, EOS utility for the Canons.
I doubt seriously if we will tether much past the first few frames, using them as polaroids as the locations are very crowded and we have a lot to cover.
It's a good excuse not to tether much anyway and I will probably shoot 95% of this gig with the Canons.
Anyway, once 4.5 is really up and running I will revisit it sometime late this year.
Actually, by December I would be quite happy never to learn a new software again and maybe by then I'll be back to film. (I know, just wishful thinking, but sure sounds like nice wishful thinking).
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I am wondering if the tethering problems with 4.5 and a laptop PC/Vista are directly caused by using the 4-pin firewire port (which is UNPOWERED) found on some PC laptops. I have two PC laptops with 4-pin firewire ports running XP and I have NEVER been able to tether ANY of my Canon 1D-series cameras via that port. I have a plugin PC card with two 6-pin ports and an external power supply and those ports tether the Canons just fine on both laptops running XP and C1 v3.7.x. I have not tried v4.5 on either PC or any of my Macs.
On another issue...I have downloaded 4.5 to my MacPro and it seems that I have to wipe out the installation of both v4.1 and 3.7.x in order to test 4.5. What's the deal here?
hope this helps someone
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I am wondering if the tethering problems with 4.5 and a laptop PC/Vista are directly caused by using the 4-pin firewire port (which is UNPOWERED) found on some PC laptops. I have two PC laptops with 4-pin firewire ports running XP and I have NEVER been able to tether ANY of my Canon 1D-series cameras via that port. I have a plugin PC card with two 6-pin ports and an external power supply and those ports tether the Canons just fine on both laptops running XP and C1 v3.7.x. I have not tried v4.5 on either PC or any of my Macs.
On another issue...I have downloaded 4.5 to my MacPro and it seems that I have to wipe out the installation of both v4.1 and 3.7.x in order to test 4.5. What's the deal here?
hope this helps someone
I would have thought that but I have two very different pc laptops, one old dell running windows 2000 and the other on vista and both will tether with eos utility solid and without issue, virus protection on, or off, regardless.
It's only 4.5 that will not tether on the vista machine, either the Canons (1ds1 6 pin firewire to 4 pin firewire) the 1ds3 (usb2) and the p21+ and p30+ (6 pin firewire to 4 pin firewire.
The computer knows when the phase backs are plugged in because it keeps asking for a driver, it just won't recognize the camera when the drivers are loaded.
Like you I didn't even attempt to load 4.5 on my intel machines as I didn't want to erase 4.1 and 3.7 and then go into the new learning curve and possible problems of a new software.
This is something I may try again over the holidays if we're not booked.
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it seems that I have to wipe out the installation of both v4.1 and 3.7.x in order to test 4.5.
No you don't have to. V3x is completely separate from V4x. I have them both V3.7.8 and V4.5Pro on Windows and both V3.7.9DB and 4.5DB on Mac.
But 4.5 will overwrite 4.1 (though you can keep the 4.1 image settings folders) on Mac as well as on Windows.
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I would have thought
James, I found that when I removed Canon's Camera Window from both my XP PC and Macbook Pro, C1 4.5 has no more issues tethering my 1Ds MKIII. I don't have a Phase back to test nor do I run Vista so if you get the chance, do give it a go.
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The computer knows when the phase backs are plugged in because it keeps asking for a driver, it just won't recognize the camera when the drivers are loaded.
One thing you could try... there are these damn "administrator rights" on Vista. If the installer of C1 is on the desktop do not just double click on the icon. Right click and chose "open as administrator". Then the installer runs with administrator rights.
Just a chance... I had several softwares and devices I re-installed as administrator and then they were running correctly.
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One thing you could try... there are these damn "administrator rights" on Vista. If the installer of C1 is on the desktop do not just double click on the icon. Right click and chose "open as administrator". Then the installer runs with administrator rights.
Just a chance... I had several softwares and devices I re-installed as administrator and then they were running correctly.
A shame you had to go PC to use your Canon..
I would blame Canon, Not Phase..
We all in the Photography/Fashion/Graphic business KNOW that PC's Sux period.
You could not pay me to use PieceofCrap
Snook
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A shame you had to go PC to use your Canon..
I would blame Canon, Not Phase..
We all in the Photography/Fashion/Graphic business KNOW that PC's Sux period.
You could not pay me to use PieceofCrap
Snook
I'm not blaming Canon, or Phase. Obviously new software is difficult to do even for very large companies, that's why I usually wait for a period before I switch anything.
And obviously Phase is a small company and I would imagine most of their users work with a mac so they are going to put they most early development that way.
But to be frank eos works on apple and almost any version of windows so cross platform software can be written.
I think if there is anyone to essentially blame it would be apple because their usb drivers are slow and apple can't seem to decide if they want to stay with firewire or move to usb, (the new macbook is a good example).
Previous to using vista I would have agreed with you about windows os systems, but vista is not that big of a leap going from apple os and if you approach it with an open mind it does some things very well.
Still, as long as I use two or three camera platforms I will probably have to use two different computer platforms to tether. Just the way it goes.
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I think if there is anyone to essentially blame it would be apple because their usb drivers are slow and apple can't seem to decide if they want to stay with firewire or move to usb, (the new macbook is a good example).
The new MacBook Pro apparently has much improved USB performance. There should be some more tests coming out in the next days, but something to keep your eyes on.
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The new MacBook Pro apparently has much improved USB performance. There should be some more tests coming out in the next days, but something to keep your eyes on.
i hope this turns out true. it will need to be 3x faster to keep up with the PCs.
paul
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The new MacBook Pro apparently has much improved USB performance. There should be some more tests coming out in the next days, but something to keep your eyes on.
Unless they changed the way the protocol is written into OSX than this will not be the case. Yes you will see incremental speed boosts simply because everything about the new macbooks is faster, but you won't see large gains beyond that. Think if you use the same macbook pro with osx and windows (even running parallels). USB is faster via the windows installation because of the way it is referenced inside the OS.
I hope it surprise me, but i don't think a large USB speed boost will happen for OSX just yet.
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Unless they changed the way the protocol is written into OSX than this will not be the case. Yes you will see incremental speed boosts simply because everything about the new macbooks is faster, but you won't see large gains beyond that. Think if you use the same macbook pro with osx and windows (even running parallels). USB is faster via the windows installation because of the way it is referenced inside the OS.
I hope it surprise me, but i don't think a large USB speed boost will happen for OSX just yet.
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http://coapple.com/usb-20-and-firewire-com...ew-macbook-pro/ (http://coapple.com/usb-20-and-firewire-comparing-the-new-macbook-pro/)
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Phase is now partly owned my Micro$oft so they have had a strong incentive to improve their PC performance.
Edmund
And obviously Phase is a small company and I would imagine most of their users work with a mac so they are going to put they most early development that way.
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Phase is now partly owned my Micro$oft so they have had a strong incentive to improve their PC performance.
Edmund
Unless I missed another press release, Phase One is employee owned, and they will continue to follow their customers' desires first:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2...PhaseOnePR.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/oct07/10-26PhaseOnePR.mspx)
C
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To be honest, if I had known that Phase was partly owned by MS I would not have purchased one of their backs. I generally don't bash the company (referring to MS) on-line, but I really don't like culture of the company and the attendant ethics, etc. I don't use any of their products (knowingly).
Now that said, I do like the folks at Phase One and very much like their products (referring to digital backs) – which means I'll likely struggle a bit... try to get over it... then practice a bit of hypocrisy by enjoying my Phase One back (and other products).
Bummer...
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That press release seems to indicate Phase is actually helping MS for there Windows system and not the other way around. At least the way i read it
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Unless I missed another press release, Phase One is employee owned, and they will continue to follow their customers' desires first:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2...PhaseOnePR.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/oct07/10-26PhaseOnePR.mspx)
C
Yes, this is correct, although obviously not all employees have ownership.
It has been stated publicly that this is a collaborative agreement of technology sharing, in particular as we see larger sensors with greater image quality (and file sizes) computing performance becomes more critical. Naturally, we possess some technology insights that would prove beneficial to Microsoft in terms of digital image workflow.
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
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Yes, this is correct, although obviously not all employees have ownership.
It has been stated publicly that this is a collaborative agreement of technology sharing, in particular as we see larger sensors with greater image quality (and file sizes) computing performance becomes more critical. Naturally, we possess some technology insights that would prove beneficial to Microsoft in terms of digital image workflow.
Steve Hendrix
Phase One
As far as 4.5 . . . all things in due time. Sure I'd like for it to work on vista and a mac error free, but software rarely comes out of the egg without some kind of limp, so I assume after the "beta" test period is over, Phase will make it work.
We all know that new software is tough to sort out and it always falls on the "end user" (man I don't like that term) to work it out and report.
Phase does need a better way to report and get a double fast response and their forum needs some serious work, but once again, since 3.78 works it's not like we can't do our job.
Still, I'd save the disk space, until the early adopters work it out.
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On the Mac side it seems to be working very well. i will give tethering a heavy test this week and see how well it holds up but just fooling around it seems like no issues and a bit faster on preview also. On the PC myself i just would not touch Vista if i was running a PC and just stick with XP which seemed pretty stable when I ran that system awhile back. Hopefully Phase will sort out the Vista does and don'ts for folks soon.
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On the Mac side it seems to be working very well. i will give tethering a heavy test this week and see how well it holds up but just fooling around it seems like no issues and a bit faster on preview also. On the PC myself i just would not touch Vista if i was running a PC and just stick with XP which seemed pretty stable when I ran that system awhile back. Hopefully Phase will sort out the Vista does and don'ts for folks soon.
Hey Guy any news.. How did your shoot go..? Smoothly I hope?
I have a Beauty cover today that I will use it with and then have a catalogue for the net 5-6 days.. Will try to work up the nerve to use it for the catalogue.
Can anybody report in if the Back up to another drive feature is working flawlessly so far? That would be one of my main concerns.. Like my digital assistant erasing something by accident or something?
Does the Canon 1DsMII work tether and properly with it?
Thanks for any heads up as I start the catalogue tomorrow and will be using the RZ P30 combo today for the beauty to try it out. The beauty is one cover and the catalogue is 80 images which could mean 80 x 10-15 shots per image...
Thanks for any more information as the Phase One forums stink and the only really decent information comes from here...:+]
Snook
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Hey Guy any news.. How did your shoot go..? Smoothly I hope?
I have a Beauty cover today that I will use it with and then have a catalogue for the net 5-6 days.. Will try to work up the nerve to use it for the catalogue.
Can anybody report in if the Back up to another drive feature is working flawlessly so far? That would be one of my main concerns.. Like my digital assistant erasing something by accident or something?
Does the Canon 1DsMII work tether and properly with it?
Thanks for any heads up as I start the catalogue tomorrow and will be using the RZ P30 combo today for the beauty to try it out. The beauty is one cover and the catalogue is 80 images which could mean 80 x 10-15 shots per image...
Thanks for any more information as the Phase One forums stink and the only really decent information comes from here...:+]
Snook
Was shooting all day yesterday tethered to the MacBook Pro Snook and working like a charm . Even disconnect firewire move to a another room reinstall and just picks up where it left off. I love that feature instead of rebooting the program every time. Getting previews very quick also with the P25 Plus 1.5 seconds or so. So far not one glitch. Pretty darn happy so far with it. Heading out again to shoot sunrise stuff without tethered though 14 ft ladder would make that a little tough. LOL
I would certainly hook up and shoot your layout
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Hey Guy any news.. How did your shoot go..? Smoothly I hope?
I have a Beauty cover today that I will use it with and then have a catalogue for the net 5-6 days.. Will try to work up the nerve to use it for the catalogue.
Can anybody report in if the Back up to another drive feature is working flawlessly so far? That would be one of my main concerns.. Like my digital assistant erasing something by accident or something?
Does the Canon 1DsMII work tether and properly with it?
Thanks for any heads up as I start the catalogue tomorrow and will be using the RZ P30 combo today for the beauty to try it out. The beauty is one cover and the catalogue is 80 images which could mean 80 x 10-15 shots per image...
Thanks for any more information as the Phase One forums stink and the only really decent information comes from here...:+]
Snook
Yes it does work with 1Ds MK3, a little faster than the EOS Utility I think, but still a lot slower than even my P45+ back. Quite interesting is that you can actually swap between a digital back and 1Ds MK3 for the same capture folder. However, you can only control the ISO setting but not able to control the f stops and speed, at least this is what I found. The live view is not workable on C4.5 however C4.5 allow you to enable the hot folder, so may be it will work with EOS Utility to get to use the Live View but I have not yet tried it.
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Yes it does work with 1Ds MK3, a little faster than the EOS Utility I think, but still a lot slower than even my P45+ back. Quite interesting is that you can actually swap between a digital back and 1Ds MK3 for the same capture folder. However, you can only control the ISO setting but not able to control the f stops and speed, at least this is what I found. The live view is not workable on C4.5 however C4.5 allow you to enable the hot folder, so may be it will work with EOS Utility to get to use the Live View but I have not yet tried it.
Have quick questiom.. here in studio shooting and for some reason my 1DsMII is not recognized by 3.7.9 anymore..
The camera says connected with the S tilde but capture shows the Capture K button grey out and I cannot shoot tethered at all.
I used to shoot tethered all the time with 1DsMII and 3.7.9
Could it be that installing 4.5 pro has changed something?
Cannot see why or how but it no longer shoots tethered...??
And 4.5 works with the 1DsMII tethered but all the buttons are grey out and I cannot make changes...
I remember this happened even on my P30 when I first tried and I cannot remember what I did to get it working properly..
All Dials are greyed out...??
Thnaks for any quick help or suggestions..
Having to shoot to a CF card and then load in bridge at the moment.. which sux!!
Thanks
Snook
What was the cure for the greyed out problem again???????
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Also is there anyway to have TETHERED also back up to external HD while shooting????
Thanks for any quick help here???
I can ony make favrite folder if I import.. How do I make a favorites folder when shooting tethered??
Thanks
Snook
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Also is there anyway to have TETHERED also back up to external HD while shooting????
http://www.captureintegration.com/2008/07/...ore-your-shoot/ (http://www.captureintegration.com/2008/07/09/backup-solutions-for-during-and-before-your-shoot/)
I can only make favorite folder if I import.. How do I make a favorites folder when shooting tethered??
drag a folder into the favorites list
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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http://www.captureintegration.com/2008/07/...ore-your-shoot/ (http://www.captureintegration.com/2008/07/09/backup-solutions-for-during-and-before-your-shoot/)
drag a folder into the favorites list
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
Thanks Doug for the response.....
Was a little frustrating today.. But I have to say that once I got it down pat it was smooth. No errors at all all day.
Will have to study some more of the Videos.. You all need to make a video for people shooting tethered and show a better workflow.
It program is not intuitive.
For some reason in the beginning I could only make an album and the pictures would not come into the sessions etc.... etc...
Is there anyway to make One session and have many different folders and the pictures get tethered into each older (look) we are doing.. instead having to make a session for every look???
It's not really clear how to make a good workflow through the videos you all have, Which are great and thankful atleast there are those, But another maybe with like a real job work flow might be better for some to grasp a large folder and sub folder job.. Not just Demo folder. Show how people can make a 10-15 folder job.
I do a lot of catalogue and it would nice to have a new folder for each look and be able to name it the Page/Look. and then tether straight into those.
Seems when I made a new folder if I was tethering the images kept going into my other session and not the new one I created???
Not sure if that makes sense, but hopefully yes.
Also could not figure out when I clicked on my first incoming image to white balance it and then when I chose Profile to take on the profile of the previous image, they would not come with the previous adjustment.
BIG WHY???
Why would you be given the option to make instant back-up when importing from a card But when you are tethering the same option is not available???
Makes no sense at all.
When Tethering is when it is the mst important that you have an instant back-up b/c atleast with a card you have the option to leave the images on the card for safe keeping incase that art director spills his/her coffee on the laptop and you lose all the images.
Your putting all your eggs in one basket so to speak...
I usually shoot to card and do 2 back ups to the NEXTO and have instant to back-ups REALLY fast.
I do have to say I like the program better than 3.7.9 which would often crash, geet stuck or not notice the camera often..
I had Not one crash today and th eimages came in shoothly.. Even in 3.7.9 if I shot to fast the program would die many times.. Not 4.5... It would load them all and I actually hit buffer on the 1DsMII many times and just waited and the images all came in no problem..
Very nice.
I have a paid license for 3.7 and wondering what would make 3.7.9 all of a sudden not notice the 1DsMII... tried everything today and it would not work .. the Capture K was grey out all the time even though the camera showed connected tethered..???
Thanks and I would appreciate it if you could let me know some answer to some of these questions..
Thanks again.
Snook
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Thanks Doug for the response.....
Was a little frustrating today.. But I have to say that once I got it down pat it was smooth. No errors at all all day.
Will have to study some more of the Videos.. You all need to make a video for people shooting tethered and show a better workflow.
It program is not intuitive.
For some reason in the beginning I could only make an album and the pictures would not come into the sessions etc.... etc...
Is there anyway to make One session and have many different folders and the pictures get tethered into each older (look) we are doing.. instead having to make a session for every look???
It's not really clear how to make a good workflow through the videos you all have, Which are great and thankful atleast there are those, But another maybe with like a real job work flow might be better for some to grasp a large folder and sub folder job.. Not just Demo folder. Show how people can make a 10-15 folder job.
I do a lot of catalogue and it would nice to have a new folder for each look and be able to name it the Page/Look. and then tether straight into those.
Seems when I made a new folder if I was tethering the images kept going into my other session and not the new one I created???
Not sure if that makes sense, but hopefully yes.
Also could not figure out when I clicked on my first incoming image to white balance it and then when I chose Profile to take on the profile of the previous image, they would not come with the previous adjustment.
BIG WHY???
Why would you be given the option to make instant back-up when importing from a card But when you are tethering the same option is not available???
Makes no sense at all.
When Tethering is when it is the mst important that you have an instant back-up b/c atleast with a card you have the option to leave the images on the card for safe keeping incase that art director spills his/her coffee on the laptop and you lose all the images.
Your putting all your eggs in one basket so to speak...
I usually shoot to card and do 2 back ups to the NEXTO and have instant to back-ups REALLY fast.
I do have to say I like the program better than 3.7.9 which would often crash, geet stuck or not notice the camera often..
I had Not one crash today and th eimages came in shoothly.. Even in 3.7.9 if I shot to fast the program would die many times.. Not 4.5... It would load them all and I actually hit buffer on the 1DsMII many times and just waited and the images all came in no problem..
Very nice.
I have a paid license for 3.7 and wondering what would make 3.7.9 all of a sudden not notice the 1DsMII... tried everything today and it would not work .. the Capture K was grey out all the time even though the camera showed connected tethered..???
Thanks and I would appreciate it if you could let me know some answer to some of these questions..
Thanks again.
Snook
Quite welcome.
Though I fear you may be reaching the end of boot camp and heading to war. As I'm sure you've seen from the dozens of posts in the last month we (Capture Integration) want very much to contribute to the community with free advice, but you're getting into some very specific questions which would require illustrations, videos, graphics, and in-depth discussion to tailor solutions to your needs. Especially when talking about workflow the right answer for you is not the same answer as for someone else and it takes really deep knowledge of the software coupled with real world photographic experience to figure it all out. We can do that, but... not for free. Hopefully that makes sense.
We offer small-group online classes (you download example files and then watch our screen and talk to us on a conference call). The intro class does an overview of everything the advanced classes (shaped very strongly by customer requests) cover specific topics in great depth. Methods for easing heavy duty high-volume workflow is my primary concern, so I think you would find that we have an incredible number of tips/tricks/hacks/suggestions that would apply to you that you won't find anywhere else. Should also be a good chance to meet and interact with luminous landscape forum members outside of the text-on-board; we'd definitely be open to a special discount for an all-LL online class. I guarantee you (Snook) would get a lot out of it.
For some of the easier to answer questions...
"Is there anyway to make One session and have many different folders and the pictures get tethered into each older (look) we are doing.. instead having to make a session for every look???"
Right click on the capture folder and Show in Library. (if your capture folder is called just "capture folder" you might rename it to something like "look 1" at this point. Drag the current capture folder to the "favorites". Right click on the session folder which is revealed and "create new folder" with a name such as "look 2". Right click on the new folder (e.g. "look 2") and "set as capture folder". Drag this folder to the favorites.
This sounds like a lot of clicking, but should only take a few seconds. This will give you a list of folders containing the raws for each look and 1) you can move images between them quickly 2) you can use Albums to compare images between them 3) you can use move-to to quickly create groups of selects 4) all the look folders reside within your over-arching-shoot session folder for easy archiving.
Why would you be given the option to make instant back-up when importing from a card But when you are tethering the same option is not available???
Extremely good reason actually: performance. Especially on a laptop if the hard drive is trying to write streams of data coming from, e.g. P65+ 60 megapixel images coming in at 1 per second then making on the fly duplicates will severely lag performance. The white paper I linked you to is just a generic recommendation. There are many other ways to do it, but the best ways all involve the ability to trigger the update/backup via a button (or type a shortcut, or do a mouse gesture etc) when the photographer is not in the middle of a long string of shots rather than have the backups going 100% of the time. Using this method performance does not suffer and at worst you lose the last minute or two worth of shots.
I have a paid license for 3.7 and wondering what would make 3.7.9 all of a sudden not notice the 1DsMII... tried everything today and it would not work .. the Capture K was grey out all the time even though the camera showed connected tethered..???
The problem with your Mark II is not normal or common (as far as I have heard or seen). There is something specifically awry with your setup and if you correct it you will be able to tether the mark II with consistency. Probably the most common cause of Canon's not connecting right now is explained in the article linked below and has to do with Aperture (even if you've never installed or used it) and OSX 10.5.2 and later.
http://www.captureintegration.com/2008/05/...ng-in-osx-1052/ (http://www.captureintegration.com/2008/05/27/canon-tethering-in-osx-1052/)
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Thank you Doug for taking the time to explain..:+}
I wish I could take one of your courses, but I live to far and much too busty.. Maybe some day.
I'll get the folder structure worked out... and appreciate all your help.
I really have to say I was amazed that it never froze up and no hiccups at all.
OSX 10.5.5 here.. Macbook Pro 17"
Thanks again..
Snook (Eric)
Hey Doug thanks for everything.. The explanation for the folders work great... Been trying this morning with my assistant before the Catalogue today...
Thanks again.
I also bought the Synchronizer X program and was wondering somehing.
Seems to work great but I have a question maybe you can help?
Does the Program copy everything all the time.. For instance if at the end of the day I press BAck-up.. does it copy the whole folder everytime or only the new stuff added?
Would be great if it just copied the newer stuff added everytime? Instead of copying everything everytime..
I just did a test and it copies everything everytime.. If you know of any settings or tricks that make it copy only new files that are added each time? I noticed you all say in the info that even if you throw away a picutre the synch will not .. it will keep the complete origianl copy???
Not sure that is true as it seems to copy everything again each time..?
Right?
Thanks
Snook
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I also bought the Synchronizer X program and was wondering somehing.
Seems to work great but I have a question maybe you can help?
Does the Program copy everything all the time.. For instance if at the end of the day I press BAck-up.. does it copy the whole folder everytime or only the new stuff added?
Would be great if it just copied the newer stuff added everytime? Instead of copying everything everytime..
I just did a test and it copies everything everytime.. If you know of any settings or tricks that make it copy only new files that are added each time? I noticed you all say in the info that even if you throw away a picutre the synch will not .. it will keep the complete origianl copy???
Not sure that is true as it seems to copy everything again each time..?
Right?
Thanks
Snook
Can't be too far; it's online training. And you can't be too busy, as working these problems out one at a time can't possibly be faster than spending an hour figuring them all out at once.
I would have to look in the preferences and settings again to let you know what switch you might have thrown incorrectly (don't have it on this computer), but the idea is that it 1) won't delete images at the target if they are no longer at the source and 2) that it will only copy changes (sync) rather than completely rewrite every time (dub/mirror)
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com) | Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Can't be too far; it's online training. And you can't be too busy, as working these problems out one at a time can't possibly be faster than spending an hour figuring them all out at once.
I would have to look in the preferences and settings again to let you know what switch you might have thrown incorrectly (don't have it on this computer), but the idea is that it 1) won't delete images at the target if they are no longer at the source and 2) that it will only copy changes (sync) rather than completely rewrite every time (dub/mirror)
Doug Peterson, Head of Technical Services
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com) | Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
Your right I did not notice that, But if I spent anymore time on the computer my why would divorce me for sure...:+}
Shot again today ALL day pretty much non stop. About 25 gigs of images from a 1DsMII...
Not one hiccup at all and Thanks to Dougs' help about the folders it is a breeze making them and sorting them.
The Program did crash 2... Once when we broke for lunch for about and hour, when I came back it said the Program C-1 has unexp. crashed on Macintosh..
And Once , user error I believe, near the end of the day I was shooting to fast I think and had little space on the laptop (like 12 gigs) But I got the Beach Ball and just restarted the program and all was fine..
Again, I believe it was user error. I have had way more crashes and disconnects with 3.7
One thing I agree with many is that the Focus tool was better in 3.7.. The 4.5 version has better options but the floating screen and how you could check before was better. IMHO
Thanks again and it looks like 3.7 will be collecting some dust...
By the way the Clarity option is sweet to have now..
Snook
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Your right I did not notice that, But if I spent anymore time on the computer my why would divorce me for sure...:+}
Shot again today ALL day pretty much non stop. About 25 gigs of images from a 1DsMII...
Not one hiccup at all and Thanks to Dougs' help about the folders it is a breeze making them and sorting them.
The Program did crash 2... Once when we broke for lunch for about and hour, when I came back it said the Program C-1 has unexp. crashed on Macintosh..
And Once , user error I believe, near the end of the day I was shooting to fast I think and had little space on the laptop (like 12 gigs) But I got the Beach Ball and just restarted the program and all was fine..
Again, I believe it was user error. I have had way more crashes and disconnects with 3.7
One thing I agree with many is that the Focus tool was better in 3.7.. The 4.5 version has better options but the floating screen and how you could check before was better. IMHO
Thanks again and it looks like 3.7 will be collecting some dust...
By the way the Clarity option is sweet to have now..
Snook
Posted this already in another thread but might be helpful here aslo..:+]
OK just had a slight scare... that could help people...
Shooting tethered, was on like my 7th picture of the day when my assistant #1 copied the last 2 files to an external HD. then when we went back to look at the images the Jpgs were there along with cr2 files but the Raws lost the weight and did not open..
Strangest thing I have ever seen... Thank gosh I am anal about back-ups and make my assistant back up right away ALWAYS.
so the Back ups were fine but the images that were left in C-1 4.5 lost all the wieght and would no open.. even in the pictures folder they were only the icons and not the images..
pretty darn scary if you ask me.
it was after the 7 th shot tethered.. we double checked and they were gone.. strange b/c they were once there and copied..
That is my worst nightmare.. Losing images.
Snook