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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: thom on September 18, 2008, 08:55:39 am
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http://www.linos.com/pages/1689.html?lang=en (http://www.linos.com/pages/1689.html?lang=en)
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Whats odd is that the 70 and 90mm join the HR line-up... are these new lens calculations? Or did they slap a new name on the 70 and 90 and jack up the price?
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Whats odd is that the 70 and 90mm join the HR line-up... are these new lens calculations? Or did they slap a new name on the 70 and 90 and jack up the price?
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i had an new 70mm lens for testing it together with the artec and i use since long time the older 90mm lens.
the quality of this (new) 70mm lens is by far better than the (old) 90mm i have.
no idea how it is compared to the old 70mm version cause i never had one.
looks to me as if it would be a new calculation, but better ask rodenstock, i havent done.
great lens.
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I heard rumors that the original 70s never shipped? Then again I think there was someone on the board using one....
I currently have the schneider 47 60 and 90, all of which are very sharp but the 60 doesn not have a lot of movement. If they are keeping 2 lines of lenses I might check out the older 70 if it will still be in production as I do not require hr lenses.
Thanks for the info Rainer!
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OK
Here we have a new 40mm lens with an image circle of 90mm and f4 aperture (recommended to shoot at 5.6 and above).
It is a retrofocus design to space the lens further from the sensor.
It sounds good on paper and it will be interesting to see how it compares with the non retrofocus designs by Schneider.
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With the 40 being a retro focus design, what is its infinity focus distance?
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"HR Digaron-W (former name: Apo-Sironar digital)"
Why "Apo-Sironar digital" now can call "HR" now?
All these time, Apo-Sironar digital can be as good as Apo-Sironar digital HR?
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to all, concerning this topic. some first impressions and tests:
We have just got the first Rodenstock 23 VHR here at Sinar and the results look very great, used with the Sinar arTec. The 70mm image circle allows at least 10mm shift at f8 (with eMotion 75). No CA or other distorsions visible in the files.
It seems to be again a very nice HR lens with superb IQ.
Best regards,
Thierry
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I think the name change to HR Digaron was a great marketing move by Linos/Rodentstock to help clarify the difference between the two digital lens series verses the rest of the analog lens product lines. Along with the new -S designation for what I believe indicates to mean small image circle and -W wide image circle.
Now even though it's early in the game, would there be a MSRP or a "street price" available on these new Digaron lenses? Especially, the new 23mm lens?
Joe Bossuyt
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Any new info on these lenses?
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no new infos yet, respectively the price is not yet known by me.
But some "quicky" shots by a photographer with the Sinar arTec and the new 23mm here:
http://www.openphotographyforums.com/forum...read.php?t=7063 (http://www.openphotographyforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7063)
Best regards,
Thierry
Any new info on these lenses?
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Thanks for posting the images. Does this lens need or have a center filter? Does not appear to need one.
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Dear Jeffrey,
From what I have seen so far this lens does apparently not need a center filter, and the images shown are taken without.
Best regards,
Thierry
Thanks for posting the images. Does this lens need or have a center filter? Does not appear to need one.
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Anyone notice at the bottom of the data sheet that a 50mm digaron f/4 will be in production by first half of 09? Pretty cool.
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The 23 looks nice, but the movements are very limited even with a current era MF sensor.
Might be usable with the Aptus 75 etc.
On the other hand, at least it covers a 56 or 54 wide sensor, and I'm not sure if the current Schneider digitar 24 would without a bit of vignetting.
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The 23 looks nice, but the movements are very limited even with a current era MF sensor.
Might be usable with the Aptus 75 etc.
On the other hand, at least it covers a 56 or 54 wide sensor, and I'm not sure if the current Schneider digitar 24 would without a bit of vignetting.
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Compared to the 24XL this new 23 offers huge movement! 10mm more image circle is a lot in this focal length category. Hopefully it will be as sharp as the 24XL which is amazing! A little soft on the edges, but stilll great. I'm not looking forward to a huge and heavy lens but if it performs well then I'll deal with it.
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Compared to the 24XL this new 23 offers huge movement! 10mm more image circle is a lot in this focal length category. Hopefully it will be as sharp as the 24XL which is amazing! A little soft on the edges, but stilll great. I'm not looking forward to a huge and heavy lens but if it performs well then I'll deal with it.
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Agreed. Add to that the improved falloff characteristics of its retrofocal construction and it could make this a very useful lens. The 24xl drops 2-3 stops towards the outside of the image circle and correcting it can introduce a lot of noise to the image. I've never been happy with the centre filter option with the 24xl either. Having to deal with a lot less falloff would be great.
Matt
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Compared to the 24XL this new 23 offers huge movement!
Comparatively yes, but that was not my point. My point was that on the new sensors on the Phase p65+ and the Leaf AFD II 10, this lens will be only able to get a very small shift. It will be the only game in town though as the 24XL will barely be able to cover these wider sensors.
Assuming Schneider doesn't come up with a 24 with a larger image circle, which they might.
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Comparatively yes, but that was not my point. My point was that on the new sensors on the Phase p65+ and the Leaf AFD II 10, this lens will be only able to get a very small shift. It will be the only game in town though as the 24XL will barely be able to cover these wider sensors.
Assuming Schneider doesn't come up with a 24 with a larger image circle, which they might.
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with the leaf afi10 it should have 6 - 8 mm movements.
this is much more as it sounds with this focal length.
i assume that the 70mm circle is as conservative as on the whole HR line up. which means you can add app. 6 mm circle as you can do with the 28HR and 35HR as well, although not HR specifications in the 70mm exceeding range, but the lenses are still very sharp till the absolut edge. at least the other HR wide angles behave in this way and the 23HR seems to be a similar calculation.