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Equipment & Techniques => Cameras, Lenses and Shooting gear => Topic started by: Josh-H on September 17, 2008, 01:31:30 am

Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Josh-H on September 17, 2008, 01:31:30 am
I know all the hype is around the new 5D - and thats cool. But as a 1DSMK3 owner I was personally more excited by the new 24mm F1.4L prime. Very glad to see this lens getting an update and very much hoping it finally gives Canon a very sharp wide angle lens.
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Mike W on September 17, 2008, 04:10:57 am
I was dissapointed since I though Canon only announced the 5D mark II today, and skipped the most important bit: the lenses.

I was pleasantly surprised to see they updated their most flawed lens (personal experience), I hope it really is much better than the mark I, as this would put the 5D on my to buy list.
Previously I would have gone for the Nikon D700.

Gotta love competitors....
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Christopher on September 17, 2008, 10:51:08 am
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I was dissapointed since I though Canon only announced the 5D mark II today, and skipped the most important bit: the lenses.

I was pleasantly surprised to see they updated their most flawed lens (personal experience), I hope it really is much better than the mark I, as this would put the 5D on my to buy list.
Previously I would have gone for the Nikon D700.

Gotta love competitors....
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well, why not a new 24-70 or a new wide zoom ? why not something like a 12-24 ? why not a 100-400 which REALLY needs to be updated.

Yes it is good if canon finally made a usable wide lens for the 1dsmk3, but I doupt already that this lens will be good compared to a Zeiss 21, leica 19 or Nikon 12-24...
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: stever on September 17, 2008, 11:09:46 am
Zeiss's Canon mount is uncannily timely.

Canon has a lot of lens work to do to catch up with the cameras.
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: rdonson on September 17, 2008, 11:12:59 am
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Zeiss's Canon mount is uncannily timely.

Canon has a lot of lens work to do to catch up with the cameras.
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I'm sure they're fine optics but I wouldn't spend the money for the Zeiss EF mount lenses.   Too much $$$ for me for manual focus.
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Christopher on September 17, 2008, 12:44:20 pm
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I'm sure they're fine optics but I wouldn't spend the money for the Zeiss EF mount lenses.   Too much $$$ for me for manual focus.
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Why do you need AF on a 24 or 21 mm lens ? I certainly don't.
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: woof75 on September 17, 2008, 12:49:32 pm
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Why do you need AF on a 24 or 21 mm lens ? I certainly don't.
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For focusing?
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Christopher on September 17, 2008, 12:58:15 pm
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For focusing?
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And you can't do that manually ? ^^
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: lovell on September 17, 2008, 04:57:10 pm
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And you can't do that manually ? ^^
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Sure you can do it manually, but AF can be a great help, and why would you not want AF if it works great?

I for one am glad Canon is updating the 24L.  I have this lens (mark I), and it is nothing to  brag about, and it ain't no 35L...now the 35L is freakin awesome...razor sharp wide open and everything the mediocre 50L & 24L should've been.  

Canon's cr@p---> 24L Mark I, 50L  Mark II.  Two lenses that are just so-so, even after calibration.

Those two lenses are not in the same IQ category as these awesome pieces of glass:

35L
85L
135L
200L
all the tele-L primes.....
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: lovell on September 17, 2008, 05:01:33 pm
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I'm sure they're fine optics but I wouldn't spend the money for the Zeiss EF mount lenses.   Too much $$$ for me for manual focus.
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Actually those new Zeiss lenses are cheaper then their Canon L counterparts by loads of dollars.  And what good is the $1,400 50L if that prime has boolsheet AF performance?  If those Zeiss lenses provide awesome IQ over their Canon L counterparts, but must be focused manually, then they are worth the money, and again less then the corresponding L's too.  Having to use manual focus is a small price to pay for stellar IQ.
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: woof75 on September 17, 2008, 05:47:55 pm
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And you can't do that manually ? ^^
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Whats the difference between focusing a 24mm and a 50mm or 85 or whatever?
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Chris_Brown on September 17, 2008, 06:21:48 pm
I like this quote:
"The new biomimetic coating is inspired by features found within the eyes of moths."
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: rdonson on September 17, 2008, 10:14:23 pm
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And you can't do that manually ? ^^
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Not with the focusing screens supplied with my 1D2 or 5D. What focusing screens do you recommend?
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: erick.boileau on September 18, 2008, 12:19:52 am
I was expecting  a very good 24mm but TS-E :-(
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Christopher on September 18, 2008, 04:41:17 am
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I was expecting  a very good 24mm but TS-E :-(
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Yes something like that
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Ken Bennett on September 18, 2008, 08:28:54 am
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Not with the focusing screens supplied with my 1D2 or 5D. What focusing screens do you recommend?
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Right. Manual focusing with AF cameras is difficult, especially with wide angle lenses at very wide apertures. You can try the high-precision screens, which are somewhat better, but then they have inherent problems (very dark with f/2.8 lenses).

I gave up trying to manually focus my 24 and my 35 -- I sent the bodies and lenses into Canon, had them calibrated, and just trust the AF. It's more accurate (and quicker) than my eyes.

BTW I'm not sure I understand all the hatred for the 24/1.4. Mine does what I want it to do -- shoot under lousy lighting conditions and/or provide extremely shallow DOF -- quite well. Sure, it's not sharp in the corners wide open, but I don't want it to be sharp in the corners wide open.
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Mike W on September 18, 2008, 09:38:46 am
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Yes something like that
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Actually, the current 24 TS-E is much better than the old 24mm (no TS).
It just doesn't need to be replaced as badly....
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: BFoto on September 18, 2008, 07:41:01 pm
Whats going to be the best lens.

I need a prime 50mm.

Canon 1.2 L or Zeiss Planar T 1.4
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Chris_Brown on September 18, 2008, 07:54:51 pm
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Whats going to be the best lens. Canon 1.2 L or Zeiss Planar T 1.4
Do you want auto focus capability?
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Josh-H on September 18, 2008, 08:11:57 pm
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Whats going to be the best lens.

I need a prime 50mm.

Canon 1.2 L or Zeiss Planar T 1.4
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I cant speak to the Zeiss - but I regularly use the 50 1.2L on a 1DSMK3 and its VERY sharp with very nice Bokeh.
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: BFoto on September 18, 2008, 10:25:10 pm
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Do you want auto focus capability?
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Not really.
Title: 24mm F1.4L Mark II
Post by: Chris_Brown on September 19, 2008, 10:33:16 pm
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Not really.
Then it's the Zeiss.