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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Mort54 on September 16, 2008, 10:05:26 am
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This has been posted on various other forums, but I haven't seen it here yet, so here's the link:
http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090015_eng.html (http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090015_eng.html)
My error. Only the 80mm is a leaf shutter lens.
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This has been posted on various other forums, but I haven't seen it here yet, so here's the link:
http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090015_eng.html (http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090015_eng.html)
My error. Only the 80mm is a leaf shutter lens.
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Hopefully..
It also says {Prototype}???
What does that mean.. Atleast they have it at 1/800th
Where can I line up for one...:+}
And I think it only works with the newer Phamiya body??
Thanks for the good news...:+}
Snook
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And...
there is also:
Vertical Grip @ 400g extra... http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090016_b_eng.html (http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090016_b_eng.html)... my AFDIII already feel heavy
4x5 Adapter... http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090016_eng.html (http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090016_eng.html)... but says compatible back ZD only... that is silly when ZD still has problems. Why not for my Leaf??? And... will the adapter be cheap?
Regards
Anders
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The announcement says "Compatible cameras: 645AFDII & III, ZD camera"
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SWEET!!!
Now hopefully it won't cost more than the camera itself...:+}
Thanks for the Info...
Snook
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These links aren't working for me. Have they been pulled?
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Ditto.
No worky!
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They are working for me.
Thierry
These links aren't working for me. Have they been pulled?
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They are working for me.
Thierry
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The poster posted ... in the link so it did not work.. you have to erase a DOT after the html and then it will work...:+}
Snook
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The gremlins left and it's working now.
High marks for Mamiya now. Making a good system even better. The AFDIII price is still too high for what it is and most of these new products will either require the III or work best with it.
For example, anyone will get a far greater ROI for the upcoming Canon than buying an AFDIII. But despite my irritation, I'll probably wind up with a III once all these extra products are on the shelf to guarantee the value.
An AFDIII, grip and leaf shutters, that's very dreamy.
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ONE leaf shutter lens??I've been waiting ages for some leaf shutter lenses and they come out with ONE? and will this one even ship by this year? I need a 45mm leaf shutter at least!
And having two lines of lenses of the same focal length seems like a waste of money on my part.
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Also in english - http://www.mamiya.co.jp/index_eng.html (http://www.mamiya.co.jp/index_eng.html)
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You know what I want, I would love for someone to design a lens that every frame gives me something different in tones, blotchiness, edge quality much like the serendipitous effect of shooting expired polaroid. This stuff takes to me another place in my mind: http://www.flickr.com/groups/polaroid-expired/pool/ (http://www.flickr.com/groups/polaroid-expired/pool/) Can mamiya make sonething like that. Probably not. It's all on the capture side which is boring this stuff in post all the time.
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It is called Photoshop...:+}
Been out for a while and works wonders...:+}
Back in the 645 days mamiya also had Leafshutter and Non-leaf shutter lens..55/80/150, I have them all still.
Too bad there is not work around to have them work. I am no pixel peeper and think they would work fine if mamiya could make or someone some kind of an adapter that work spring the shutter.. Hell I'll manually cock it happily!!!
IF they made an 80mm LS lens why did they not make the standard 80mm D lens a 80mm 1.9 or lower??
Let's see what prices they are going to be asking????
When will prices probably roll around.. photokina?
Thanks again for the information
Snook
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It always depends on what you need and want. I really don't give a **** about leaf shutter lenses, I would prefer if they bring out a new D version of the 35. It's always about what you do with the camera ^^
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For the landscapers and architectural folks, you have a ton of options for top quality wide angle, from a handful of technical cameras to Schneider and Rodenstock lenses. That takes pressure off supplying some of those products.
Leaf shutter lenses make Mamiya 645 cameras compete head to head with Hasselblad and Hy6/AFi systems. That's BIG.
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this is great news. i dont know why, but a vertical grip is a very important feature for me. it wont make me a better photographer, but its one of those accessories that any camera really should just have. its dumb not having one, canon and the rest of the dslr crew knows that.
leaf shutter is very cool as well. if they add a wide LS soon, this will a very complete system.
paul
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ONE leaf shutter lens??I've been waiting ages for some leaf shutter lenses and they come out with ONE? and will this one even ship by this year?
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Sorry that you are disappointed, but are you really surprised? I've been pointing out this inevitable situation for a good 6 months now.
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Im not sure I understand the whole 2 lines of lenses either... seems odd. unless they are only going to do 3 of them as ls 45, or 55 and 80, 150
but the fact they are 1/800th is pretty cool, and the vertical grip is a nice feature.
If the bodies had a built in magnifier for the 33x44 sensors id say they would be near perfection, although I have not tested one yet to see how the shutter lag is...I still hear some people saying its there.
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4x5 Adapter... http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090016_eng.html (http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_mdinr08090016_eng.html)... but says compatible back ZD only... that is silly when ZD still has problems. Why not for my Leaf??? And... will the adapter be cheap?
Regards
Anders
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Anders, just to put it out there, that there are perfectly fine copies of the ZD back out in the market. My first ZD back had major problems. Replaced by Mamiya, swapped a different back for it. Works nearly flawlessly. Sure, there are the occasional hiccups, but I'm not sure anyone who uses Phase One, Leaf, Sinar, or Mamiya ZDs have an entirely flawless workflow.
I've compared the my ZD back's picture quality and color reproduction with those of other 22mp, backs such as the P25 and the Aptus 22 and they're pretty much on par with one another.
As to the cost question...it will be interesting for sure. Some are speculating/hoping that this is not only compatible with the ZD but other Mamiya-mount backs...it's just that Mamiya doesn't want to advertise that.
Here's hoping they actually get these to the market in a timely fashion.
-Josh
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Am I the only one to feel that Mamiya is way too slow in developping and releasing new products?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Am I the only one to feel that Mamiya is way too slow in developping and releasing new products?
Cheers,
Bernard
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any slower than anyone else?
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Anders, just to put it out there, that there are perfectly fine copies of the ZD back out in the market. My first ZD back had major problems. Replaced by Mamiya, swapped a different back for it. Works nearly flawlessly. Sure, there are the occasional hiccups, but I'm not sure anyone who uses Phase One, Leaf, Sinar, or Mamiya ZDs have an entirely flawless workflow.
I've compared the my ZD back's picture quality and color reproduction with those of other 22mp, backs such as the P25 and the Aptus 22 and they're pretty much on par with one another.
As to the cost question...it will be interesting for sure. Some are speculating/hoping that this is not only compatible with the ZD but other Mamiya-mount backs...it's just that Mamiya doesn't want to advertise that.
Here's hoping they actually get these to the market in a timely fashion.
-Josh
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Hi Josh,
It would be interesting and helpful to people interested in ZD, if you or someone else with such a ZD would do the test I posted of at [a href=\"http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=22698&hl=zd+problem]http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....8&hl=zd+problem[/url] . Words is one thing but noone has yet proven a statement that there should be ZDs without the problem I pointed out.
In order to not offset this thread about new Mamiya products, kindly post your findings under the thread about the ZD problem or make a new such.
Per what I understand it is likely that Capture One software may have been tuned to downplay the problem with ZD. However per what I know Mamiya has done zip zil and nothing to improve on the ZD itself. Thus the ZD (= all ZDs) should per my info still have problem. That information comes from a conversation I had with Mamiya agent about one month before. Their guess was also that Mamiya would not develop ZD further, which... makes sort of interesting that Mamiya comes out with a 4x5 adapter especially for the ZD... yet... the ZD is Mamiya 645, so why would adapter not work for other digital backs?
Regards
Anders
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which... makes sort of interesting that Mamiya comes out with a 4x5 adapter especially for the ZD... yet... the ZD is Mamiya 645, so why would adapter not work for other digital backs?
Regards
Anders
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If they did not intend to develop the ZD further, it wouldn't make sense to make the 4x5 and RZ adapters, no? Would have been easier to let it die a natural death. The adapters have a power supply unit, presumably containing a battery. Would this work with other backs? If so, it might eliminate the firewire problem with some laptops like the MacBookPro, and allow PC laptop users to work without external batteries to power the back. BTW, has anyone used a Phase or 3rd party back on a ZD body?
Cheers,
Kumar
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any slower than anyone else?
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I would think so. It might just be that they pre-announce future releases earlier than others, but it feels like these leaf lenses have been announced ages ago and here we have just one coming, but only as a prototype...
Prior to that, the 28 mm f4 was delayed about half a year before final release...
Cheers,
Bernard
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I would think so. It might just be that they pre-announce future releases earlier than others, but it feels like these leaf lenses have been announced ages ago and here we have just one coming, but only as a prototype...
Prior to that, the 28 mm f4 was delayed about half a year before final release...
Cheers,
Bernard
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Well how long are we now waiting for a wide lens on a Hy6 body ? Well..... Perhaps we get it as a Christmas present.
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Well how long are we now waiting for a wide lens on a Hy6 body ? Well..... Perhaps we get it as a Christmas present.
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You make it seem that there is no wide angle for the Hy6, but the 40mm f3.5 is a stunning lens and equivalent to around 28mm on a 35mm camera. Ultrawide? No, but definitely a wide.
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I would think so. It might just be that they pre-announce future releases earlier than others, but it feels like these leaf lenses have been announced ages ago and here we have just one coming, but only as a prototype...
Prior to that, the 28 mm f4 was delayed about half a year before final release...
Cheers,
Bernard
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Bernard et al:
Re Mamiya product development, a different perspective... I would simply point out that now, after the strategic partnering with Phase, we seem to be having new products filling the pipeline pretty quickly. This year to present we have a new body and four new lenses; going forward for this year we have at least two more lenses and maybe three, a vertical grip and back-to-4x5 adapter. IMO that is not too shabby a total of new products for a company that was considering an abandonment of the camera market altogether two years ago...
Cheers,
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I'm sorry to make such a simple question because there must be a simple answer that I can't see but: Why doesn't canon/nikon make leaf shutter lenses? I mean, after seeing mamiya put leaf lenses in focal plane shutter bodies I got the idea that it must not be a difficult thing to to. They sure have the market for it don't they?
Arnau.
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I'm sorry to make such a simple question because there must be a simple answer that I can't see but: Why doesn't canon/nikon make leaf shutter lenses? I mean, after seeing mamiya put leaf lenses in focal plane shutter bodies I got the idea that it must not be a difficult thing to to. They sure have the market for it don't they?
Arnau.
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They don't need to. Their flash units sync at high speeds anyway so theres no need for leaf shutters except for the professional market.
Course, you could always get an adapter I guess.
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They don't need to. Their flash units sync at high speeds anyway so theres no need for leaf shutters except for the professional market.
Course, you could always get an adapter I guess.
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Well I am sure he was referring for the professional market..
And There a lot of people in the professional market using Canon..
Not sure I understand your point..
I for one would Die for a Leafshutter lens for a canon.
I am one of the biggest advocates for Leaf shutter lens!!!
:+}
Are you listening Canon????
Snook
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Bernard et al:
Re Mamiya product development, a different perspective... I would simply point out that now, after the strategic partnering with Phase, we seem to be having new products filling the pipeline pretty quickly. This year to present we have a new body and four new lenses; going forward for this year we have at least two more lenses and maybe three, a vertical grip and back-to-4x5 adapter. IMO that is not too shabby a total of new products for a company that was considering an abandonment of the camera market altogether two years ago...
Cheers,
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....and to really put it in perspective, remember how long it took Mamiya to release the ZD back and ZD Camera after their first announcement? Wasn't it about three years? How embarrasing---and somewhat of a disappointment after such a long wait.
It seems that they have really gotten their act together releasing excellent new products (with Phase!) albeit at a new premium price. I'm very happy with my new Phase 645 and the new lens choices. I'd love to see a re-worked "d" series Mamiya 35mm.....
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....and to really put it in perspective, remember how long it took Mamiya to release the ZD back and ZD Camera after their first announcement? Wasn't it about three years? How embarrasing---and somewhat of a disappointment after such a long wait.
It seems that they have really gotten their act together releasing excellent new products (with Phase!) albeit at a new premium price. I'm very happy with my new Phase 645 and the new lens choices. I'd love to see a re-worked "d" series Mamiya 35mm.....
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me, too.
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me, too.
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I second, er I mean 3rd that.
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Yes I was referring to professional market, I also hope someone is listening, after all, if they want to compete with medium format they should start working about it.
Arnau.
Well I am sure he was referring for the professional market..
And There a lot of people in the professional market using Canon..
Not sure I understand your point..
I for one would Die for a Leafshutter lens for a canon.
I am one of the biggest advocates for Leaf shutter lens!!!
:+}
Are you listening Canon????
Snook
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And There a lot of people in the professional market using Canon..
Not sure I understand your point..
I for one would Die for a Leafshutter lens for a canon.
I am one of the biggest advocates for Leaf shutter lens!!!
:+}
Are you listening Canon????
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Why would Canon do this? They would need a new lens mount, and all new lenses. If you think the L series lenses are expensive, think how much they would be if Canon started selling low-volume leaf shuter lenses with the added cost of the shutter in each lens. Think $3K+ per lens. I'm not even sure Canon is capable of making a truly pro series of lenses. The current L lenses are a mixed bag, and they've had years to improve them. How can Canon then compete with the existing MF players which all have a healthy supply of used lenses to keep the system price down?
If you want leaf shutter lenses just get a proven leaf shutter system! There are a couple of proven platforms already.
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Why would Canon do this? They would need a new lens mount, and all new lenses. If you think the L series lenses are expensive, think how much they would be if Canon started selling low-volume leaf shuter lenses with the added cost of the shutter in each lens. Think $3K+ per lens. I'm not even sure Canon is capable of making a truly pro series of lenses. The current L lenses are a mixed bag, and they've had years to improve them. How can Canon then compete with the existing MF players which all have a healthy supply of used lenses to keep the system price down?
If you want leaf shutter lenses just get a proven leaf shutter system! There are a couple of proven platforms already.
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Why would they need anew lens mount.. sorry if I may ask.
They already have it electronically connected to the camera. I believe that is what the new mamiya one does also. It is through the lens with the camera operating it. Not like the older ones that the whole thing happen by the mirror slapping...?
Then it would need to be programmed.
I do not think it is as difficult as you think and there a huge market of fashion guys and advertising guys that would use it for sure.
I could be wrong but I do not think it is hard as you may think..:+]
But whatever, I know you have your Rollei and can sync at what you want...:+}
Lucky bastard...
Snook
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Why would Canon do this? They would need a new lens mount, and all new lenses. If you think the L series lenses are expensive, think how much they would be if Canon started selling low-volume leaf shuter lenses with the added cost of the shutter in each lens. Think $3K+ per lens. I'm not even sure Canon is capable of making a truly pro series of lenses. The current L lenses are a mixed bag, and they've had years to improve them. How can Canon then compete with the existing MF players which all have a healthy supply of used lenses to keep the system price down?
If you want leaf shutter lenses just get a proven leaf shutter system! There are a couple of proven platforms already.
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are your becoming serious. canon and nikon sell more numbers of expensive lens than anyone.
put the price of a 200mm f2 on the table. look at the expensive long lens at all sports and news events.
the leaf shutter lens you speak of in such proven healthy volume for the rollei. where do you find these on the www.
I go to keh.com and they have a very small amount of rollei lens. kurland photo is the only company in america I find multiple rollei lens and they are new and big expense.
maybe in europe the rollei lens has more of a volume. can you show me where on the www so i can price.
thank you
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are your becoming serious. canon and nikon sell more numbers of expensive lens than anyone.
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I think you misunderstood me
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I think you misunderstood me
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And How did we do that?
Please explain a little further if you don't mind.
Like I said I do not if it is "possible" that is why I stated it with a ?? afterwards.
But I think it would certainly sell more the a Rollei lens would...:+}
Snook
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Why would Canon do this? They would need a new lens mount, and all new lenses. If you think the L series lenses are expensive, think how much they would be if Canon started selling low-volume leaf shuter lenses with the added cost of the shutter in each lens. Think $3K+ per lens. I'm not even sure Canon is capable of making a truly pro series of lenses. The current L lenses are a mixed bag, and they've had years to improve them. How can Canon then compete with the existing MF players which all have a healthy supply of used lenses to keep the system price down?
If you want leaf shutter lenses just get a proven leaf shutter system! There are a couple of proven platforms already.
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Jeez why would they....
What a horrible idea.. leaf shuter lens...
And why would leica...?
LOL
Snook
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Jeez why would they....
What a horrible idea.. leaf shuter lens...
And why would leica...?
LOL
Snook
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What a disappointment Mamiya is so far at the shows....
Even there Booth looks miserable..
Looks like Leica is going to steel the show...:+}
Even they came out with leaf shutter lens!! Too bad we would have to sell the house or a child to buy one..
Snook