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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: juiceboy99 on September 11, 2008, 11:07:30 pm
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Does anyone know if C1 4 uses sessions like 3.7.9 ?
if so, is it better to use sessions or not ?
thanks!
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Does anyone know if C1 4 uses sessions like 3.7.9 ?
if so, is it better to use sessions or not ?
thanks!
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I believe its in there. folders with hearts on them that are maybe called 'favorites' now. it tries to auto import to a new favorite/session folder every time you connect a CF card.
couldn't tell you if it works the same way or not, as I never 'got it' as a feature, (probably because I don't shoot in 'sessions') and just preferred to name my own folders and drag the raw files into that.
its annoying to have to stop a program from doing something they think is being helpful, circumnavigating it with another import route, when its not helping but hindering. Lightroom is not so different in that respect though either.
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Does anyone know if C1 4 uses sessions like 3.7.9 ?
if so, is it better to use sessions or not ?
thanks!
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The current version of C1 4 does not use sessions like 3.7.9. In future versions of C1 4 sessions will be re-introduced. It's hard to say one version is better than the other. Which version of C1 are you using?
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Chris do you have any info on when/if there will be a 3.7.9 for Windows?
Nill
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The reasons behind 3.7.9 for mac were specific to mac. I don't believe there is any current development underway for 3.X (either windows or mac). All development right now is to get 4.X to a stable pro version.
That said, if there is a specific, repeatable, and significant bug you are experiencing in 3.7.8 for windows let me know and I'll make sure Phase is aware. Short of any such bugs I don't think there will be a 3.7.9 for windows.
All hail Capture One 4 Pro, our new leader.
I, for one, welcome our new leader.
Doug Peterson
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It's the arbitrary rotation bug on 1DsMkII files. I reported it long ago and was told it wouldn't make it into 3.7.8 but would be addressed in 3.7.9.
Nill
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I just reinstalled 3.7.9 DB after reformatting my hard drive and it's asking for a product registration number, I own a phase one back so I can use this thing for free so whats this registration number all about, anyone?
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I just reinstalled 3.7.9 DB after reformatting my hard drive and it's asking for a product registration number, I own a phase one back so I can use this thing for free so whats this registration number all about, anyone?
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A DB key was included in your kit when you purchased it.
If you can't find your key give me a call (or [a href=\"http://mailto:doug@captureintegration.com]email[/url]) me here and I'll see if I can help.
Doug Peterson
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So back to original thread topic,
it seems like the new C1 4 is a little like Bridge
in that you don't have to make a session,
it just watches the RAW files from your harddrive ......
Is this a correct obersevation ?
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A DB key was included in your kit when you purchased it.
If you can't find your key give me a call (or email (http://mailto:doug@captureintegration.com)) me here and I'll see if I can help.
Doug Peterson
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Thanks Doug.
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The reasons behind 3.7.9 for mac were specific to mac. I don't believe there is any current development underway for 3.X (either windows or mac). All development right now is to get 4.X to a stable pro version.
That said, if there is a specific, repeatable, and significant bug you are experiencing in 3.7.8 for windows let me know and I'll make sure Phase is aware. Short of any such bugs I don't think there will be a 3.7.9 for windows.
All hail Capture One 4 Pro, our new leader.
I, for one, welcome our new leader.
Doug Peterson
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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I would hail it also.. If it would have come out about 6 months ago... ARGGGGGGGG.
They better have something for Photokina...:+} Bug free that is...
Sure would hate to get excited it is out then we have to "beta" test it first...:+}
Snook
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So back to original thread topic,
it seems like the new C1 4 is a little like Bridge
in that you don't have to make a session,
it just watches the RAW files from your harddrive ......
Is this a correct obersevation ?
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That's correct.
Capture One 4 = folder navigation only
Capture One 4 Pro (unreleased) = session structures OR folder navigation
Doug Peterson
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That's correct.
Capture One 4 = folder navigation only
Capture One 4 Pro (unreleased) = session structures OR folder navigation
Doug Peterson
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Does Sept 15= Capture One Pro 4.0?
Photokina=C1 Pro 4.0
Just a little hint would be nice...:+]
Snook
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Was it Photokina one or two years ago that it was announced? How time flies...
Nill
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Been playing around with 4.1.2 lately.
Have a few questions..?
1st. Is there any kind of Full screen mode where you can just view the images Big?
2nd. Are they going to have any presets for B&W like the older software?
Thanks for any information
Snook
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There are still B&W profiles in the 'Other' section for ICC profiles for C1 V4.
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Thanks..
Also do you know if when I make a web contact sheet gallery if it stores it some where or do I have to save the Browser window myself before closing it..?
Like the Back up feature also when you import that it can be saved to external HD at the same time..:+]
I sure Hope Pro comes out for Photokina or I will move to Lightroom extensively and just convert in 3.7.9 like I am doing now.
Also just found 400 iso on my P30 not that bad.. nevetried it.. Ofcourse it was more landscape type stuff...:+}
Will have to try on people...
Thanks
Snook
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Thanks..
Also do you know if when I make a web contact sheet gallery if it stores it some where or do I have to save the Browser window myself before closing it..?
Like the Back up feature also when you import that it can be saved to external HD at the same time..:+]
I sure Hope Pro comes out for Photokina or I will move to Lightroom extensively and just convert in 3.7.9 like I am doing now.
Also just found 400 iso on my P30 not that bad.. nevetried it.. Ofcourse it was more landscape type stuff...:+}
Will have to try on people...
Thanks
Snook
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Since the PhaseOne forum sucks.. I'll keep posting here.
Is there any easy way to get right to the processed Pictures from C-1 4?
Also the previews do not show when being processed or when they are are done. Or am I missing something?
You have to look in the process tab. Before even the C-1 dock icon showed it was processing?
Thanks for any heads up// I am starting to dig into C-1 One.
Is there a full screen you can view the images?
Snook
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Snook:
Full Screen
Apple B and Apple T to show/hide the tools and browser. With both disabled you're at around 90+% of the screen for the viewed image. NOT full screen, but fast and functional.
Is there any easy way to get right to the processed Pictures from C-1 4?
Jumping to the processed folder [within C1]: Use the "Output Folder" shortcut at the top of the first tap under "application folders" (see attached screen grab)
Jumping to the processed folder [in finder]: Use the same shortcut but right click (control click) and Show In Finder.
Also the previews do not show when being processed or when they are are done. Or am I missing something?
You have to look in the process tab. Before even the C-1 dock icon showed it was processing?
Correct. Sucks doesn't it? If you want a work around you can launch Activity Monitor and select "View - Dock Icon - CPU History" which will leave you a dock icon that shows you when the CPU is at full throttle (an easy at-a-glance indication that C1 is still processing). Otherwise you have to check the process tab to see what's going on.
Doug Peterson
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Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Thanks..
Also do you know if when I make a web contact sheet gallery if it stores it some where or do I have to save the Browser window myself before closing it..?
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When you go to File > Make Web Contact Sheet there are four sets of options: TEXT, IMAGES, LAYOUT, OUTPUT. Under Output is the path where the web gallery is being stored. Having it open automatically in a browser after creation is an option.
Doug Peterson
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There are still B&W profiles in the 'Other' section for ICC profiles for C1 V4.
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Capture One 3 Pro also has a program called Color Editor which will let you modify an existing input ICC profile. For example you can modify the "Portrait" profile towards your preferred skin tone. Or you could take one of the existing B&W profiles and modify the underlying color response (e.g. to add more sensitivity to greens). This feature will be improved and included in Capture One 4 Pro.
Doug Peterson
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Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Capture One 3 Pro also has a program called Color Editor which will let you modify an existing input ICC profile. For example you can modify the "Portrait" profile towards your preferred skin tone. Or you could take one of the existing B&W profiles and modify the underlying color response (e.g. to add more sensitivity to greens). This feature will be improved and included in Capture One 4 Pro.
Doug Peterson
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Other than the abilty to build sessions before hand and stability, the best festure of C-1 vs. 3 is the color editor.
It's not an oh my god, change the world feature but for many uses it's a lifesaver , i.e. if your shooting cosmetic or hair and want a cooler tone on the subject, it allows you to go into the background (if that background is smooth) and adjust the back to neutral while leaving the subject alone. It also allows you to build let's say a blond'es hair back to blonde, even though the overall look of the image is cool. Or you can move the background to a cooler look and effect the subject as if it was on a seperate mask.
(http://russellrutherford.com/fashion/thumbs/th_rr_fashion_0111.jpg)
I've used it on set countless times and it has gone a long way to giving an AD what they want to see without those annoying words "well fix it in post".
The downside to v 3 is the previews just are way too harsh. No matter how much sharpening you take off they just freak everyone out and you have to say "don't worry it won't look like this in post".
Now, I haven't used V4 pro or whatever the next one is called, but have used v4 lite and used it for a lot of processing.
It renders better skintones, maybe more detail (I'm not that concerned with hyper detail), the processing is wicked fast and the previews are much nicer.
The downside of v4 lite is the program is amazingly disjointed. having to switch tabs to make base corrections is hugely time consuming and the program does not have single channel corrections.
If v4 pro is as disjointed as v4 lite, then there needs to be a very quick rethink of the interface.
Actually the best single channel corrections are in RD (and the best processing I might add) where you can go into rgb and change the values of each, consequently building your own film. RD also renders better than any program I've found, though for batch processing it's a chore.
(http://russellrutherford.com/fashion/thumbs/th_rr_fashion_0047.jpg)
Given my personal choice, I'd love to have the useability and interface of lightroom with the rendering qualities and single channel corrections of Raw Developer. Actually I'd do everything in lightroom except it just doesn't work skin tones as nice as V4 or RD.
One lightroom feature that every program should adopt is the ability to rework jpegs. That is a huge time saver on the first step of producing web galleries from the Canons and makes preview and rendering times 10x faster than loading thousands of raws.
JR
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Capture One 3 Pro also has a program called Color Editor which will let you modify an existing input ICC profile. For example you can modify the "Portrait" profile towards your preferred skin tone. Or you could take one of the existing B&W profiles and modify the underlying color response (e.g. to add more sensitivity to greens). This feature will be improved and included in Capture One 4 Pro.
Doug Peterson
Capture Integration, Phase One Dealer (http://www.captureintegration.com)
Personal Portfolio (http://www.doug-peterson.com)
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Hey Doug I really appreciate you taking the time to explain to me.. 2 thumbs up..
Thank you also James for the lengthy post and images..
I really appreciate it
My problem is that I do not want to go through several programs to work if possible. I need a great converter then I work in photoshop..
I am battling between C-1 and Lightroom right now. I do not like the Conversions from Lightroom nor Photoshop and have always seen something different or better about Capture One...
Thank you
That does stink that you cannot see if they are processing or done..? The old icon in the dock would show that like photoshop does also..? ;+}
Will they fix that for Pro?
Are you guys expecting pro to come out for photokina??
Would be the perfect arena otherwise I think a lot will give up on it..
Thank you again
Snook
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The downside of v4 lite is the program is amazingly disjointed. having to switch tabs to make base corrections is hugely time consuming and the program does not have single channel corrections.
If v4 pro is as disjointed as v4 lite, then there needs to be a very quick rethink of the interface.
JR
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That does stink that you cannot see if they are processing or done..? The old icon in the dock would show that like photoshop does also..? ;+}
Will they fix that for Pro?
Are you guys expecting pro to come out for photokina??
Snook
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Not sure it's useful to speculate since we'll know for sure in a few days.
My statistics teacher in high school gave a lesson in probability. He would put 5 black marbles and 5 white marbles in a bag, then draw one in a closed hand. "What are the odds that the marble in my hand is white?". The point was that he already in his hands, so the event was already determined, even if the outcome wasn't known. That's sort of how I feel right now. Then again I'm really tired, so maybe I'm just rambling.
Doug Peterson
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Not sure it's useful to speculate since we'll know for sure in a few days.
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Regardless, there is a reason to post feedback, and though I can only speak for myself, a more cohesive interface and better color response will go a long way to speeding workflow.
JR