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Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: MichaelEzra on May 13, 2008, 10:47:28 pm
I am trying to choose an LCD monitor most suitable for photo editing using Wacom tablet. The tablet I have is 9"x12" and I am used to using it on 4x3 20" CRT with dot pitch 0.24mm.

- With NEC 2690 I have a concern of a larger dot pitch of 0.28 mm

- With NEC 3090 the concern is that the same 9"x12" tablet has to correspond to a much larger screen and precision of using a pen must be doubled.

- With Samsung XL-24 a primary concern is that I cannot find any review!:) and the price for 24", basically same as 30" NEC 3090


It would be very helpful if anyone could share their view of experience on a similar transition.

Thanks,
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: Czornyj on May 14, 2008, 02:33:53 am
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I am trying to choose an LCD monitor most suitable for photo editing using Wacom tablet. The tablet I have is 9"x12" and I am used to using it on 4x3 20" CRT with dot pitch 0.24mm.

- With NEC 2690 I have a concern of a larger dot pitch of 0.28 mm

- With NEC 3090 the concern is that the same 9"x12" tablet has to correspond to a much larger screen and precision of using a pen must be doubled.

- With Samsung XL-24 a primary concern is that I cannot find any review!:) and the price for 24", basically same as 30" NEC 3090
It would be very helpful if anyone could share their view of experience on a similar transition.

Thanks,
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I wouldn't care that much about the dot pit pitch. LCD is much sharper, so in reality - when you edit a picture - you see more details than on a higher dot pich CRT.

Samsung XL-24 seems to be an usual panel with LCD backlight - powerful engine doesn't make a sports car, and LCD backlight doesn't make a monitor for color-critical applications.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 14, 2008, 08:52:13 am
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Samsung XL-24 seems to be an usual panel with LCD backlight - powerful engine doesn't make a sports car, and LCD backlight doesn't make a monitor for color-critical applications.
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If anything, LED backlighting is far harder to accomplish correctly as we saw with the quite excellent and very expensive (and discontinued) NEC.

Plus the lack of anything from Samsung from day one in terms of seeing this unit (and the fact that when I was shown it under NDA, it was being calibrated by a huey) would make me dismiss this unit for the time being.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: rdonson on May 14, 2008, 09:44:41 am
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Samsung XL-24 seems to be an usual panel with LCD backlight - powerful engine doesn't make a sports car, and LCD backlight doesn't make a monitor for color-critical applications.
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The Samsung XL-24 has an LED backlight.  In theory its capable of producing more accurate color than the typical flourescent backlights.  As Andrew states though no one has seen one in the wild so its a mystery how it actually performs.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: MichaelEzra on May 14, 2008, 10:18:35 am
thank you all for the replies.

- In general, how suitable is 30" for editing, retouching, etc.? I realise that it is great for viewing images, but Photoshop will probably run much slower during editing as it would require to redraw more pixels at 2500x1600 vs 1900x1200.

- Does anyone has experience in using 9"x12" tablet with 30" widescreen?
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: Nill Toulme on May 14, 2008, 10:45:42 am
Michael I don't know about the 30-inch NEC, but take note that the 2690wuxi covers 92% of the Adobe RGB gamut.  That might (or might not) be of more consequence to you than the extra 4 inches of screen space.

Nill
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www.toulme.net
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: Czornyj on May 14, 2008, 10:49:11 am
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The Samsung XL-24 has an LED backlight.  In theory its capable of producing more accurate color than the typical flourescent backlights.  As Andrew states though no one has seen one in the wild so its a mystery how it actually performs.
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In theory backlight is not capable of producing any color

LCD backlight may have better spectral characteristic (I guess), and it may have the possibility of white temperture calibration (in case of that Samsung - rather not).

But the color accuracy also depends on LCD matrix, and on the way it may (or may not) be calibrated.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: jerryrock on May 14, 2008, 11:44:43 am
LED backlighting for LCD monitors is not a dead technology. Currently companies like Apple are using white LED backlighting for their laptop displays and ipod products. While this technology is not necessarily more color accurate, the thought is that it provides more even backlighting at a lower energy cost when compared to CCF backlighting.

Professional LED monitors like the NEC LED (not discontinued) and the current Samsung line, utilize adjustable RGB LEDs for LCD backlighting providing a greater degree of color accuracy and much wider color gamuts than CCF backlit monitors.

NEC MultiSync LCD2180WG-LED $3299.99
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/ (http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/)

The Samsung XL24 and XL30 are larger and improved models based on their original XL20 model which has been reviewed many times. The technology is no mystery.  The new versions ship with the Xrite eye one display2 calibrator.

http://www.samsung.com/us/pdf/XLseries_Datasheet_LR.pdf (http://www.samsung.com/us/pdf/XLseries_Datasheet_LR.pdf)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....rodid=MO-073-SA (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-073-SA)
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article784-page1.html (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article784-page1.html)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/dis...0inch-4_25.html (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/20inch-4_25.html)
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 14, 2008, 01:21:49 pm
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LED backlighting for LCD monitors is not a dead technology. Currently companies like Apple are using white LED backlighting for their laptop displays and ipod products.

MAJOR difference in building a white LED for back light and what's far more useful in terms of controlling the backlight, three colored LED as we saw in the NEC unit. Just cooling that beast was a big deal.

NEC MultiSync LCD2180WG-LED is no longer being manufactured.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 14, 2008, 01:22:38 pm
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Michael I don't know about the 30-inch NEC...

I should have one next week if all goes as planned.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: sesshin on May 14, 2008, 03:48:01 pm
I use a 9x12 Wacom with a NEC 2690 and find no problem at all. Everything maps smoothly. I had a 30" ACD before this and didn't really have any issues with that, although I think I prefer the working distance of the 26" vs. the 30".
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 14, 2008, 06:42:39 pm
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- In general, how suitable is 30" for editing, retouching, etc.? I realise that it is great for viewing images, but Photoshop will probably run much slower during editing as it would require to redraw more pixels at 2500x1600 vs 1900x1200.

I'd hope any modern graphic card that can drive it would drive it plenty fast. In the old days (Photoshop 3), redraw was sometimes an issue. Today, the cards are so powerful, I don't know anyone who comments about redraw speeds. My Mac's got 512 mb of Vram, which seems like overkill.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: MichaelEzra on May 15, 2008, 01:25:42 pm
This is the information I recceived in the chat session with NEC tech support when asked a question, "in how many bits is the information being processed inside the display":

"the reason for 8 bit processing is because we use Gammacomp that convert the 8 bit data from the computer to 12 bit"

I wonder if that means 12 bit LUT with 8 bit processing... whatever that  means...
A salesperson in B&H told me that he found out that NEC is using 14 bit processing...

Eizo advertizes 12 bit LUT with 16-bit processing.

What is this "processing" anyway?
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 15, 2008, 01:30:08 pm
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This is the information I recceived in the chat session with NEC tech support when asked a question, "in how many bits is the information being processed inside the display":

"the reason for 8 bit processing is because we use Gammacomp that convert the 8 bit data from the computer to 12 bit"

Everything coming in (and out) is 8-bits, that's as true for Eizo as anyone else.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: MichaelEzra on May 16, 2008, 07:48:38 am
I bought  2690 yesterday and need to say that it is very easy for the eyes.  Everything islarger on this screen and I can sit further away. I calibrated it yesterday without Specrtaview (as still evaluating and did not buy it) and Eye One Display 2 using GM software. Color gamut  is basically Adobe RGB (see screenshots).

The only troubling issue is color and brightness non uniformity! Even with ColorComp On at level 5, see attached image. THis was shot while displaying a black image full screen.

I wonder if this is "normal" for this moniotr or did I just get the bad one?
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: WillH on May 16, 2008, 10:25:43 am
Michael

The ColorComp uniformity compensation only works on levels above black. So it will even out the screen when you look at grey or white screens, but do absolutely nothing for a black screen.  Since you can't subtract light from black on the screen, and adding any light would ruin the contrast ratio, there is nothing the control can do.

The S-IPS panels do exhibit a "color leakage" in blacks when viewed off axis. However you are gaining superior (lack of) off-axis gamma shifts compared to other types of LCD panels.

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The only troubling issue is color and brightness non uniformity! Even with ColorComp On at level 5, see attached image. THis was shot while displaying a black image full screen.
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Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: MichaelEzra on May 16, 2008, 11:03:24 am
Will,

Thank you for that information. I have a few questions, and would greatly appreciate your first-hand input.

- Do you think the color leakage that this monitor is exhibiting will be similar acros most nec 2690-s and another nec 2690 will be very similar?

-what about 3090?

- Another question, what should be the expected black level on this monitor at about 120 brightness output?

- A few users reported that brightness output of 140 is a "sweet spot" and would provide smaller deltas and better accuracy. Is that a recommended setting?

- what would be the optimal brightness output setting for a balance between accuracy and longevity of the monitor?

Thanks,
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 16, 2008, 04:55:22 pm
Quick update, my 3090 arrived today. Its HUGE! Going from the 2690 to this, I didn't think it would be that much different but man, it really is. On the Mac, the old window sizes are sticky once you view on a new unit, everything seemed so small. The purity on this unit is especially good for a display this big (of course first thing was to turn on Gammacomp and calibrate the unit). So far, what's not to like? Did I mention its HUGE?
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: Nill Toulme on May 16, 2008, 05:04:38 pm
Cool.  The 3090 is sRGB like the 2490, right, not almost-Adobe RGB like the 2690?

Nill
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www.toulme.net
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 16, 2008, 05:06:36 pm
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Cool.  The 3090 is sRGB like the 2490, right, not almost-Adobe RGB like the 2690?

No, its a wide gamut like the 2690.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: Nill Toulme on May 16, 2008, 05:13:25 pm
...and sells for about how much?

Nill
~~
www.toulme.net
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 16, 2008, 05:45:37 pm
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...and sells for about how much?

$2500
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: WillH on May 16, 2008, 06:05:05 pm
It's actually larger than Adobe RGB and the red and blue extend further out.

In the attached image AdobeRGB is shown in the green/yellow outlined triangle, the colored triangle is the monitor gamut.

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Cool.  The 3090 is sRGB like the 2490, right, not almost-Adobe RGB like the 2690?
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Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: WillH on May 16, 2008, 06:26:46 pm
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- Do you think the color leakage that this monitor is exhibiting will be similar acros most nec 2690-s and another nec 2690 will be very similar?
Each monitor will be slightly different, and will change slightly as things settle down after packing/shipping. All S-IPS panels have some color leakage with viewing angle in the blacks, but some may have more in certain areas.

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-what about 3090?
It's the same panel technology as the LCD2690 and does have the same off-axis color leakage in black, but this is much less objectionable than the gamma and color shift  above black found on other types of panels.

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- Another question, what should be the expected black level on this monitor at about 120 brightness output?
Depending on the settings, age of the monitor etc., I would expect something in the region of 0.3 cd/m^2, or a contrast ratio of around 400:1 or higher.


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- A few users reported that brightness output of 140 is a "sweet spot" and would provide smaller deltas and better accuracy. Is that a recommended setting?
The recommended setting depends on what you are doing and your work environment etc. Others on this list will be able to give their opinions, but 140 seems to be very reasonable for proofing applications. Going much lower than 100 will start to degrade the contrast ratio.


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- what would be the optimal brightness output setting for a balance between accuracy and longevity of the monitor?
The brightness setting doesn't have a real impact on the accuracy. If you do drive it at full brightness then it will degrade quicker.
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Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: MichaelEzra on May 16, 2008, 08:19:56 pm
Will, Thanks for the reply.

Adnrew,

would you be able to post a similar test, how your new 3090 (or your old 2690) shows black image full screen ? I am unsettled  about the color shits on my 2690 it shows in darker and lighter grays as well. I guess on mine it is quite severe and ColorComp adjustment is not sufficient.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 16, 2008, 08:29:14 pm
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would you be able to post a similar test, how your new 3090 (or your old 2690) shows black image full screen ? I am unsettled  about the color shits on my 2690 it shows in darker and lighter grays as well. I guess on mine it is quite severe and ColorComp adjustment is not sufficient.
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Other then what I see visually, I don't know how I'd do this. Both look fine to me (so far, the 3090 is just warming up).

I filled a Photoshop doc with black, full screen mode. It looks black.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: MichaelEzra on May 16, 2008, 08:48:07 pm
The way I did it - I turned off the lights and took a photo of the monitor at various angles (don't care much about motion blur) Do you observe any color / brightness leakage?

In a brightly lit room I don't see much brightness variation on the screen, but the right side is cyan:(
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 16, 2008, 08:58:32 pm
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The way I did it - I turned off the lights and took a photo of the monitor at various angles (don't care much about motion blur) Do you observe any color / brightness leakage?

In a brightly lit room I don't see much brightness variation on the screen, but the right side is cyan:(
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Every LCD I've ever seen does have some viewing angle issues. This pup is HUGE and yes, if I sit in front of it, I see black pretty cleanly over the my current field of view but moving to one side or the other, to be straight in front of any area, other areas may appear to show this viewing angle issue. I see it on my 2690, my iMac, my Cinema display but they area all much smaller so the effect on a bigger unit is larger because this beast is HUGE. If I'm sitting in the middle of the display, at a distance of about 18-20 inches, the edges are a heck of a lot father from that center position. To get straight in front of say the lower right corner, I have to move my head about 10-15 inches over.

I should probably be a lot farther away from this unit, I have to play some more (and the width of my desk is "only" 29 inches). My god, this display is hugmongous.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: wolfnowl on May 17, 2008, 01:02:27 am
FWIW, this was in the latest 'Insights' newsletter from John Paul Caponigro:

"NEC 2690WUXi Monitor

It's the best monitor I've ever used.

The softproofed image onscreen has never looked so accurate. This LCD monitor has proprietary hardward technology that compresses the highlights to more accurately represent images in print. The monitor has hardware calibration technology that virtually eliminates color banding and provides excellent color uniformity across the screen. An internal stabilizer keeps colors consistent and the screen brightness to a level that more accurately represents images in print. Most LCD monitors are too bright to simulate images in print as accurately. The NEC 2690's wide gamut encompasses over 90% of Adobe RGB.
And it's high resolution.

26"    2690WQXi   $1319.99
30"    3090WQXi   $2419.99

My workshop participants get discounts directly from the manufacturer. Download the workshop CD material for information on how to get this discount.

I'll present a more extensive review in my blog. (Yes, it's coming!) And I'll put my full review into a downloadable PDF format soon. Stay tuned!"

Of course that won't help you with the choice between 26" and 30"...

Mike.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: Czornyj on May 17, 2008, 08:27:12 am
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The way I did it - I turned off the lights and took a photo of the monitor at various angles (don't care much about motion blur) Do you observe any color / brightness leakage?

In a brightly lit room I don't see much brightness variation on the screen, but the right side is cyan:(
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You may consider switching to 2190UXi. It's the only NEC with SA-SFT panel type, that's a little better in this respect.

It also shows color leaks:
[a href=\"http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec1.jpg]http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec1.jpg[/url]
...but when you look straight forward it's not so bad:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec2.jpg (http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec2.jpg)

It may also work in a darker surrounding, at lower brightness level, and it has a little lower black point. It is a normal gamut panel - this may be a drawback for someone, but for photo editing work it may be even better (according to Karl Lang  )
I find working on 2x21 more covinient, you have more place on the right side:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec3.jpg (http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec3.jpg)
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: BFoto on May 17, 2008, 03:18:08 pm
I want to purchace the 2690 with spectraview

Can anyone recommend a few (so not to be bias) online sellers that accept paypal.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 18, 2008, 10:56:42 am
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It's actually larger than Adobe RGB and the red and blue extend further out.

Indeed! I see the spec's for the 3090 from NEC indicating 97.8%, 93% for the 2690. Cool. Its big and big. I do know you don't, like defining this using a simple percentage value despite NEC press releases (when will marketing listen to the color geeks?) but at least its an apples to apples set of figures.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: MichaelEzra on May 19, 2008, 09:58:42 am
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You may consider switching to 2190UXi. It's the only NEC with SA-SFT panel type, that's a little better in this respect.

It also shows color leaks:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec1.jpg (http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec1.jpg)
...but when you look straight forward it's not so bad:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec2.jpg (http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec2.jpg)

It may also work in a darker surrounding, at lower brightness level, and it has a little lower black point. It is a normal gamut panel - this may be a drawback for someone, but for photo editing work it may be even better (according to Karl Lang  )
I find working on 2x21 more covinient, you have more place on the right side:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec3.jpg (http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec3.jpg)
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Czornyj,

Thanks for posting the images.
I am using smooth gradients a lot of in my work and brightness/color uniformity is critical. I am still puzzled, which 24"+ monitor currently available on the market would be most uniform, 12 bits hardware LUT, aRBG and under $2000...

I have also found that there is a noticeable diference in using 9"x12" tablet with  1900x1200 moitor after using it with 1600x1200 monitor resolution as, considering difference in aspect ratio, only a portion of the tablet's area is mapped to screen area. Though my hand is quite steady, there is some jumpiness when using a pen now. I think for 30" displays at full resolution a 12"x19" tablet would be more suitable and 9"x12" will be too small for comfortable retouching.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: jjj on May 19, 2008, 12:47:20 pm
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I have also found that there is a noticeable diference in using 9"x12" tablet with  1900x1200 moitor after using it with 1600x1200 monitor resolution as, considering difference in aspect ratio, only a portion of the tablet's area is mapped to screen area. Though my hand is quite steady, there is some jumpiness when using a pen now. I think for 30" displays at full resolution a 12"x19" tablet would be more suitable and 9"x12" will be too small for comfortable retouching.
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You can tweak a Wacom to match aspect ratio of screen [or not]. I'm currently using a A6 travel Graphire and only use a portion of that small size and my desktop is 2560x1024, but I like a responsive cursor and want to use it like a pen on not a mouse! I can reach all parts of screen by moving wrist and not whole arm. I had an A3 and an A4 tablet, but found them to slow and space consuming [for my needs]. I use Tablet on right and an MS mouse on left hand side too as that's so much better than the horribly small Wacom mouse.
If I was doing fine retouching, I'd simply zoom in if I felt pen was too jumpy, though I find it very accurate, even with the A6 Graphire, which isn't as nice as my larger Intuous tablet.
I originally bought it for travelling and it became my home tablet as well.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: jerryrock on May 19, 2008, 07:12:52 pm
Have you considered the Wacom Cintiq? I use the 20WSX widescreen Cintiq in conjuction with a 20" Apple Cinema Display. The ability to edit directly on the screen is the most natural of all the input devices.

Wacom has just dropped the price of the 21" Cintiq by $500.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: jjj on May 20, 2008, 06:35:05 am
I've tried the cintiq and although it's great in some ways, your hand can obscure what you are working on if using the smaller versions.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: The View on May 20, 2008, 05:44:21 pm
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FWIW, this was in the latest 'Insights' newsletter from John Paul Caponigro:

"NEC 2690WUXi Monitor

It's the best monitor I've ever used.

The softproofed image onscreen has never looked so accurate. This LCD monitor has proprietary hardward technology that compresses the highlights to more accurately represent images in print. The monitor has hardware calibration technology that virtually eliminates color banding and provides excellent color uniformity across the screen. An internal stabilizer keeps colors consistent and the screen brightness to a level that more accurately represents images in print. Most LCD monitors are too bright to simulate images in print as accurately. The NEC 2690's wide gamut encompasses over 90% of Adobe RGB.
And it's high resolution.

26"    2690WQXi   $1319.99
30"    3090WQXi   $2419.99

My workshop participants get discounts directly from the manufacturer. Download the workshop CD material for information on how to get this discount.

I'll present a more extensive review in my blog. (Yes, it's coming!) And I'll put my full review into a downloadable PDF format soon. Stay tuned!"

Of course that won't help you with the choice between 26" and 30"...

Mike.
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How does it compare to an Apple cinema display?

PS: Amazon has it for 1220$

[a href=\"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000MT4L1S/interactiveda657-20]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00...ractiveda657-20[/url]
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: CJD on May 27, 2008, 05:58:33 pm
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My god, this display is hugmongous.
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Hi Andrew


Can I have some advice!!

Is your new 3090 the standard display or the Spectraview software version - and is the latter worth the extra (is it out yet?) if you have a decent spyder (in my case would an Optix XR Pro be up to it).

Plus I'm using a PCI express radeon X1950 Pro card - could I run both the 30" and (my existing) 23" Apple Display off the same card (I'm on a PC running 64 bit XP Pro) or will I need a second card to drive the 23".

And what's your view of the 3090 versus the HP3065 just reviewed on LL.


Choices, choices, choices!

Cheers

Chris
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 27, 2008, 07:00:35 pm
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Is your new 3090 the standard display or the Spectraview software version - and is the latter worth the extra (is it out yet?) if you have a decent spyder (in my case would an Optix XR Pro be up to it).

Plus I'm using a PCI express radeon X1950 Pro card - could I run both the 30" and (my existing) 23" Apple Display off the same card (I'm on a PC running 64 bit XP Pro) or will I need a second card to drive the 23".

And what's your view of the 3090 versus the HP3065 just reviewed on LL.
Choices, choices, choices!

I'm running the 30" with the SpectraView software and yes you want to do this as well. It supports a Spyder from DataColor but I'd go for the OPTIX or EyeOne (it sounds like you have an Optix and are referring to it as a "Spyder" which is a brand name of another colorimeter).

Not sure what the X1950 supports, but I suspect it will work as I'm driving the 30" and 26" on a 1900 (whatever the extra 50 does or doesn't do, I'm not sure). This is on a Mac.

Have no idea about the HP, never seen it.
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: CJD on May 27, 2008, 07:17:11 pm
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Hi Andrew

Thanks for your quick reply and advice.

So yours is the 3090 Multisync with separate Spectraview II software?

The NEC supplier was spinning me the line that the Spectraview monitors (as opposed to the Multisync)  were hand picked off the prodcution line and had some hardware modifcations to enable use of the Spectraview software - was I being fed marketing b*ll?


And yes, currently using a Monaco Optix Xr Pro.


Chris

Looks like my desk is going to get crowded....
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: digitaldog on May 27, 2008, 07:56:09 pm
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So yours is the 3090 Multisync with separate Spectraview II software?

Yes. As far as I know, there's only one 3090 (or 2490, or 2690) with the name SpectraView. You can purchase with or without the software and even a supported Colorimeter. You want to drive this fine display with the NEC software as you're now taking advantage of all the technology inside that unit.

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The NEC supplier was spinning me the line that the Spectraview monitors (as opposed to the Multisync)  were hand picked off the prodcution line and had some hardware modifcations to enable use of the Spectraview software - was I being fed marketing b*ll?

Again, you want the SpectraView line. There might be a less expensive unit of the same size called Multisync but what you want is on this page:

necdisplay.com/SupportCenter/Monitors/spectraview2/
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: CJD on May 28, 2008, 06:38:54 am
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I've done some googling and it may be that European NEC models (I'm in the UK) are different to the US models.

This looks like this means that in Europe the Multisync models listed on your link will not fully support the SV software and only European NEC screen variants badged as SV will support the SV software (due to internal hardware changes).
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: dudu307 on May 28, 2008, 07:21:29 am
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I've done some googling and it may be that European NEC models (I'm in the UK) are different to the US models.

This looks like this means that in Europe the Multisync models listed on your link will not fully support the SV software and only European NEC screen variants badged as SV will support the SV software (due to internal hardware changes).
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You can do it. I changed my 2990wuxi to SV 2690.

Check this link:

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Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: CJD on May 28, 2008, 08:04:13 am
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You can do it. I changed my 2990wuxi to SV 2690.

Check this link:

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/.... (http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11427&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=cce928bcc00a66990462a770054f8348)
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Cheers for the link

Looking at the last post in thhe thread though, NEC may have shut down this avenue on later models and this workaround may not be availalbe on the European Multisync3090?
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: Czornyj on May 28, 2008, 11:56:43 am
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Cheers for the link

Looking at the last post in thhe thread though, NEC may have shut down this avenue on later models and this workaround may not be availalbe on the European Multisync3090?
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In my new 2190UXi the combination has been hanged, so it's possible. But you can always get Spectraview II profiler...
Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: Pantoned on May 28, 2008, 02:43:14 pm
A part of allowing basiccolor to use hardware calibration, do you know what other changes does it make to the monitor??, I tried it and the brightness comes down a little, and the led turns green.

Arnau




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You can do it. I changed my 2990wuxi to SV 2690.

Check this link:

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/.... (http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11427&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=cce928bcc00a66990462a770054f8348)
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Title: Nec 2960 for photo editing?
Post by: dudu307 on May 29, 2008, 10:40:49 am
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A part of allowing basiccolor to use hardware calibration, do you know what other changes does it make to the monitor??, I tried it and the brightness comes down a little, and the led turns green.

Arnau
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In theory nothing, just that, possibility of hardware calibration, maybe it resets your previous adjustments?

My led is green when working, orange in standby.


Edu

p.d ahhhh, and if you can, use Spectraview software to calibrate by hardware... it's a lot easier...