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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: phila on March 05, 2008, 05:56:40 am
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At the conclusion Michael's Sydney talk the Danish head of Phase One (sorry name forgotten) gave a short spiel. One thing he did specifically mention was that there will be a Phase One body, based on the 645 Mamiya AFD II formally announced in two weeks time. No details on just what is different from the AFD II.
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Heard this also from Phase reps at Focus a week ago. Likewise, no detail.
J
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Could I respectfully suggest that no more threads are created on this topic until there is an official release?
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I'm starting to think this camera won't be anything special. That's why I'm considering the Hy6 (it was my first option a year ago...). I'm feeling this Phase One "keep all secret" thing very uncomfortable too. I'm a PO user and I've been interested in this camera since the first rumors about 6 months ago. None from Phase One (or dealer) ever gave me a least a picture or specs about it. The camera would be announced after the New Year. Not a single word yet. Ans sincerely I'm starting to lose my interest in it and seriously considering a Rollei or Sinar Hy6 even if I'll probably start with film.
Very disappointing from PO.
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I agree that the lack of communication is quite annoying, but I've heard that they will supposedly unveil the new camera at Tokyo’s Photo Image Expo the 19-21 this month. So hopefully we will only have to wait another 2 weeks.
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I'm starting to think this camera won't be anything special. That's why I'm considering the Hy6 (it was my first option a year ago...). I'm feeling this Phase One "keep all secret" thing very uncomfortable too. I'm a PO user and I've been interested in this camera since the first rumors about 6 months ago. None from Phase One (or dealer) ever gave me a least a picture or specs about it. The camera would be announced after the New Year. Not a single word yet. Ans sincerely I'm starting to lose my interest in it and seriously considering a Rollei or Sinar Hy6 even if I'll probably start with film.
Very disappointing from PO.
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Funny Samuel, we have nearly the same kit, and we're both looking at the Hy6 (or in my case the Leaf AFi) ...and I think exactly the same of Phase One.
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I agree that the lack of communication is quite annoying, but I've heard that they will supposedly unveil the new camera at Tokyo’s Photo Image Expo the 19-21 this month. So hopefully we will only have to wait another 2 weeks.
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They (Phase One) don't seem to be in the list:
[a href=\"http://www.photoimagingexpo.com/exhibitors_e.html]http://www.photoimagingexpo.com/exhibitors_e.html[/url]
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They (Phase One) don't seem to be in the list:
http://www.photoimagingexpo.com/exhibitors_e.html (http://www.photoimagingexpo.com/exhibitors_e.html)
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However, Mamiya is listed as an exhibitor at the event. Maybe Phase One will be displaying the new camera version and other items at the Mamiya "booth".
Joe Bossuyt
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However, Mamiya is listed as an exhibitor at the event. Maybe Phase One will be displaying the new camera version and other items at the Mamiya "booth".
Joe Bossuyt
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PhaseOne answered that question on the P1 forum.. "Phase One is present at PIE under our japanese distributor which is DNP Photo Marketing (old Konica Minolta)"
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The PO body is based on the AFDII? Is this the one that's going to be redesigned with leaf shutter lenses, etc? I don't think it should be based on the AFDII...it should be totally different. We'll see.
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In about two weeks or less (march 18th) you wil get information about the new PhaseOne body. It's build on a new 645 body made between PhaseOne/Mamiya. Better and faster autofocus. 5 or 9 nine points.
Later some PhaseOne lenses is made in europe (Schneider/Zeiss?).
That's all I know.
McRepsej
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Do you know, it always seems to be 'jam tomorrow' with Phase / Mamiya.
A new camera, little detail released, makes you think that they haven't an RTM candidate yet, and then 'there will be new lenses later' - when later; 1 month or 6 months, a year? No idea if the leaf shutter lenses will be available, but buy our new camera now is the message, and we'll have the lenses sometime.
And lastly, dangling big name lens manufacturers. This all sounds too much like a damage limitation marketing exercise. Get something, anything, out there before punters move away and lose interest.
As I said before, I was less than impressed with the Phase One people at the show last week.
J
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Do you know, it always seems to be 'jam tomorrow' with Phase / Mamiya.
A new camera, little detail released, makes you think that they haven't an RTM candidate yet, and then 'there will be new lenses later' - when later; 1 month or 6 months, a year? No idea if the leaf shutter lenses will be available, but buy our new camera now is the message, and we'll have the lenses sometime.
And lastly, dangling big name lens manufacturers. This all sounds too much like a damage limitation marketing exercise. Get something, anything, out there before punters move away and lose interest.
As I said before, I was less than impressed with the Phase One people at the show last week.
J
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Some live to complain. How about giving them a chance, Jon? No point going on like an old scold unless you are an old scold.
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Do you know, it always seems to be 'jam tomorrow' with Phase / Mamiya.
A new camera, little detail released, makes you think that they haven't an RTM candidate yet, and then 'there will be new lenses later' - when later; 1 month or 6 months, a year? No idea if the leaf shutter lenses will be available, but buy our new camera now is the message, and we'll have the lenses sometime.
And lastly, dangling big name lens manufacturers. This all sounds too much like a damage limitation marketing exercise. Get something, anything, out there before punters move away and lose interest.
As I said before, I was less than impressed with the Phase One people at the show last week.
J
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Seems a little negative when it's regarding the camera company that has a rock solid product on the market (AFD 2) and has released a new lens to add to an already stellar line up and Phase one who have the most reliable backs around all with software that actually works, now.
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At the conclusion Michael's Sydney talk the Danish head of Phase One (sorry name forgotten) gave a short spiel. One thing he did specifically mention was that there will be a Phase One body, based on the 645 Mamiya AFD II formally announced in two weeks time. No details on just what is different from the AFD II.
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I wouldn't be too hard on Phase One, they probably have an agreement with Mamiya to not spread hype because it would totally trash any Mamiya AFDII sales prior to the camera being released. That would not be good for either company especially since they are pushing AFDII packages so aggressively.
If you look at the AFD and AFDII timelines it is about time for an update anyway especially when you consider the acquisition of Mamiya and changes in the MF market over the last couple of years.
We will know by the end of the month and I expect it to be competitive with the other players products. You have to admit the new lens offerings from Mamiya have been pretty impressive IMHO.
The real thing to be talking about is what are the plans for replacing the 39MP high end backs. I haven't heard anything about where that is going and with Canon (and soon Nikon/Sony) in the 20+ MP range are we going to see 48MP backs soon?
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In about two weeks or less (march 18th) you wil get information about the new PhaseOne body. It's build on a new 645 body made between PhaseOne/Mamiya. Better and faster autofocus. 5 or 9 nine points.
Later some PhaseOne lenses is made in europe (Schneider/Zeiss?).
That's all I know.
McRepsej
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I read some where here that this will take any back ie 'open'
With multipoint AF , new leaf lenses and old lenses back to the 50 shift and 24fish fron the ProTL this could be great for me at least
hope fully..
S
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...new leaf lenses...
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This is something I don't understand about the Mamiya 'faithful'. How long did it take for the 28mm to hit the shelves after announcement? And the ZD? Yet people seem to be living in hope that a whole range of leaf shutter lenses will be available in the next few months. That seems excessively optimistic to me.
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This is something I don't understand about the Mamiya 'faithful'. How long did it take for the 28mm to hit the shelves after announcement? And the ZD? Yet people seem to be living in hope that a whole range of leaf shutter lenses will be available in the next few months. That seems excessively optimistic to me.
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i can't argue with you regarding the zd release, but then we should recognize that the ownership of the company was in the process of transition ...the 28mm lens was officially announced on june 1,2007 along with the 75-150 zoom. the zoom was available three weeks later, and the 28mm lens became available in july of 07.
since i have not seen anything from mamiya indicating they are producing leaf shutter lenses, i do agree with you that the belief that they will become available in the nxt few months is optimistic---to say the least.
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This is something I don't understand about the Mamiya 'faithful'. How long did it take for the 28mm to hit the shelves after announcement? And the ZD? Yet people seem to be living in hope that a whole range of leaf shutter lenses will be available in the next few months. That seems excessively optimistic to me.
I don't think the "Mamiya Faithful" need to have all of the pieces in place and available for order in the next few months. Rather, having a clear roadmap, and an understanding that these things are being, and will be, rolled out, will be seen as a big step in and of itself. The new 75-150 and 28 mm lenses show Mamiya's system is not stagnant. With the appearance of the new body, that will further show that Mamiya is moving forward. Leaf lenses - well, we'll see. Personally, I think they'll just be the Hassy CF lenses with an adapter (but hopefully I'm wrong).
Regards,
Mort54
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Why not simply wait for the 19th of March and the start of the PIE exhibition in Tokyo, JP?
I guess that is not that long to know and avoids a round of speculations.
Thierry
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Why not simply wait for the 19th of March and the start of the PIE exhibition in Tokyo, JP?
I guess that is not that long to know and avoids a round of speculations.
Thierry
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I think people get excited about the possiblites of a new medium format camera and even though at this point everyone speculates, I am sure the manufacturer's follow the different forums to get some idea of what people expect, so unless these threads turn into some kind of brand war bias, or sales presentation, I think the speculation is good and we all know that competition is healthy.
Given this, if Mamiya is listening I suggest they use this opportunity of introducing the 645 camera to make some adjustments and changes in the RZ, like a higher powered magnifier to make focusing and viewing of the RZ frame easier and if they could engineer the blades that would crop to a 645 (1.1 or 1.3 format) I'm sure this would bring a lot of old lenses off of the shelves.
So many professionals have some type of RZ equipment and since the 645 back goes straight to the RZII digital body it could be very benificial to ex-mamiya users.
JR
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There is a thread on the Oficcial PhaseOne forum about this:
http://forum.phaseone.com/viewtopic.php?t=4616 (http://forum.phaseone.com/viewtopic.php?t=4616)
The only thing that has been confirmed is:
"As announced the camera will have Mamiya 645AFD interface so any digital back with this interface (including all competitors system) can be used on the new Phase One camera and this includes Mamiya film holders."
The rep did promise all specs will be released after the show at the end of this month.
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Some live to complain. How about giving them a chance, Jon? No point going on like an old scold unless you are an old scold.
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I rarely complain... I've been waiting a long time for the AFD2 to be replaced with something that has autofocus and higher sync speeds.
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Seems a little negative when it's regarding the camera company that has a rock solid product on the market (AFD 2) and has released a new lens to add to an already stellar line up and Phase one who have the most reliable backs around all with software that actually works, now.
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Yes, you're quite right, software that actually works (very slowly) and assuming you don't want to work tethered. How long has that been in the pipeline?
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Are you saying that C1 4 or C1 3.7 are slow? The only way these apps are slow is if you are smoking meth or doing rails in the studio. I find them both very fast.
The fact that C1 4 Pro is not out is annoying. I want my moire tools and tethering in 4.
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MacPro twin Zeon Duocore 3.0GHz. CO4 slow. I find (and I know it's not a direct comparison, I know), that Aperture or Lightroom are faster. CO4 seems to tak an age to load pics. Just annoying.
Cheers
J
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Yes, you're quite right, software that actually works (very slowly) and assuming you don't want to work tethered. How long has that been in the pipeline?
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Er John, you do realise that you can work tethered with capture one (at least with most cameras) and that the AFD 2 has got AF, thats what the AF part of the name is about.
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Er John, you do realise that you can work tethered with capture one (at least with most cameras) and that the AFD 2 has got AF, thats what the AF part of the name is about.
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Yes, you can work tethered with 378, not 4.
As regards the AF issue, I think you missed my wry humour. Yes, the AFD2 has autofocus, if only it would work better. (I tried a Leaf AFi last week, and there's a working autofocus!)
Oh, and incidentally, I'll be absolutely delighted if Phase / Mamiya can bring out a great camera in a few weeks, and perhaps be early in the queue to get one.
Cheers
Jon
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It was my first impression, but after I run more informal tests I found out it was not the case. It may be system related.
Someone else on this board had an issue with C1 4 being slow. (Leonardo?) There was definately something amiss that made C1 4 run slowly. I haven't timed it, but it seems that P30+ raw to 8bit Tiff takes about 3 seconds. Maybe 4, but its not enough time to even think it could be slow. This is on a Mac Pro Quad 2.66 with 7 gigs of RAM, 5400 RPM drives.
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Yes, you can work tethered with 378, not 4.
As regards the AF issue, I think you missed my wry humour. Yes, the AFD2 has autofocus, if only it would work better. (I tried a Leaf AFi last week, and there's a working autofocus!)
Oh, and incidentally, I'll be absolutely delighted if Phase / Mamiya can bring out a great camera in a few weeks, and perhaps be early in the queue to get one.
Cheers
Jon
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I didn't realise the 4 doesn't work tethered, 3.7.8 seems great though, saying that, I only use it to tether, I use Lightroom to develop files which is in my not humble position (why lie) far superior. With regards to the AF, I actually prefer the Mamiya's AF to the canon 1ds mark 2's, it's a little slow but seems to hunt less and it works incredibly well in really low light.
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I just made a test and C1 4.14 was about 20 seconds (for a 63.7MB P 25 file) and
C1 DB 3.7.8 was about 25 seconds. C1 4 seamed a bit faster.
... then again, Potoshop CS3 did it in about 8 seconds, so there is space for C14 PRO to improve, after all this is only the "light" version of C14. Other programs have cached up with Phase One, but I would not say that they have a software problem. I feel at home with and generally process my work on the field with an old laptop. The tethered connection is extremely reliable and "can do" attitude, I use custom made ICC and the ones that came with Phase like "Easy gray" that works particularly well with installation shots when the white gallery walls have to look white. The profile was made for table top photographers that use a white seamless background.
The only thing missing for my type of work is lens correction and perspective control tools. (something like: edit>transform>skew )
On the down side is the idea that raw conversion instructions on C1 3 are nos compatible with C1 4 which means that you would have to do all the editing work when re-processing images.
If Phase One is consistent the new camera should be:
* Weather resistant and robust (something that the Hy6 and Leaf backs are not)
After all Phase backs can be completely frozen w/out stopping to work.
* Minimalistic interface to make things robust and simple to use. Mamiya has similar tendency.
* Low energy requirements. No fans, no large displays.
* Good, fast, reliable software (something that Mamiya has not)
If you package that with a good support and upgrade policy and competitive pricing they may interest a few photographers.
If I was them I would produce a Phase One ZD model, but that concept -- that failed not because it was a bad idea but because of what Phase One knows how to do well: firmware and the rest -- may be irreparably jinxed like Apple's Newton.
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C1 V4.01 on Mac 3.0 Quad with 8 GB RAM; one P25 RAW to 16-bit TIFF takes 3 or 4 seconds. It goes much quicker than 3.7.7 which was around 20 seconds. I'm running 10.4.11.
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Leonardo,
Thanks for putting some figures on that. I agree with your observations about the new camera.
How have you found profiling in Lightroom?
(it may sound trivial, but I like lightroom overall, but particularly the spot healing function...there's always one piece of dust I missed when doing a batch of shots! Mind you, the big air filter / purifier improved the situation a lot)
Cheers
Jon
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C1 V4.01 on Mac 3.0 Quad with 8 GB RAM; one P25 RAW to 16-bit TIFF takes 3 or 4 seconds. It goes much quicker than 3.7.7 which was around 20 seconds. I'm running 10.4.11.
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I have an admission though, never crossed my mind initially. I'm running Vista on mine! Perhaps CO4 ain't as well optimised in Windows. Also, must get more memory; I've only got 2 in at the moment.
(...and when you've stopped laughing , and before you ask, I tried MacOSX for 4 months, and didn't like it (as much as windows); tried Leopard... same thing. Now, I used X windows on Unix, long before any of the current OS's (about 15 years ago) so please don't accuse me of being an irrational Windows fanboy. I think both are great, just that OSX seems somehow, ...clunky, for want of a better word. Just my opinion.
Anyway, sorry, I'm not trying to divert the thread, so perhaps I should have deleted the last paragraph )
Thanks for all the other considered opinions.
J
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As regards the AF issue, I think you missed my wry humour. Yes, the AFD2 has autofocus, if only it would work better. (I tried a Leaf AFi last week, and there's a working autofocus!)
Cheers
Jon
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Maybe your camera is broken ? I have tested my Mamiya against a Canon 1Ds3 recently, under fairly real fashion conditions modeling lights for focus), and a still life, the Mamiya performed at least as well as the Canon. In fact the reason why I went for Mamiya is that in all the tests I did the focus was accurate. Not the fastest but every time at exactly the right spot.
Edmund
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Maybe your camera is broken ? I have tested my Mamiya against a Canon 1Ds3 recently, under fairly real fashion conditions, and a still life, the Mamiya performed at least as well as the Canon. In fact the reason why I went for Mamiya is that in all the tests I did the focus was accurate. Not the fastest but every time at exactly the right spot.
Edmund
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I actually had mine in for service for a couple of reasons, the AF being one of them. Turned out it was 'fine' ..mmm.
To be perfectly honest, my only comparison is with a 5D and L glass, so perhaps that's unfair.
Thanks
J
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Jon - for the auto focus - do you have the AFDII set to "spot" or to "wide". Wide employees 3 AF sensors and focuses on whatever in that zone. The spot focus is just center AF point - that'll tighten up focus considerably. As Edmund said, the AFDII focus is quite accurate. Slow at times, but it gets there.
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Jon - for the auto focus - do you have the AFDII set to "spot" or to "wide". Wide employees 3 AF sensors and focuses on whatever in that zone. The spot focus is just center AF point - that'll tighten up focus considerably. As Edmund said, the AFDII focus is quite accurate. Slow at times, but it gets there.
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I agree completely about the accuracy - didn't make it clear in previous posts, and it's the time it takes hunting that causes me a problem. Certainly it's far faster in area focus rather than spot, and therefore that's what I use.
In a way I'm glad to see the strength of feeling for the AFD2 here, and especially since it's from people who produce excellent work, from other examples I've seen of it.
I really appreciate all the help you guys (and girls??) have given me, not just when I posed this issue, but on everything else as well. It's such a nice forum to be part of, compared with many others I have seen.
Thanks
J
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You are welcome. I think that we have a tendency to defend the gear we use as if it had become "our motherland", but there is always somthing --or a lot-- to envy from the system next doors. In my case I may seam to be often criticizing Thierry's Hy6 and defending Phase-miya, but I saw a video of a rotating back on a Hy6 and I have to admit that it is an attractive feature (I used to love that on my RZII) --don't know if I it justify the 66 format, but don't want to re-litigate that--. And the other detail of having the winder motor on the film magazine. That is very smart and a way to move in to the digital future.
I could go further and criticize my "team": Phase One needs to come with a good C1 4 Pro "yesterday". Mamiya has to come up with gourmet optics like a 80mm f/1.4 or a 120mm f1.4 for photographers that need a bit more than average bouquet and flavor in their images.
Love and let love friends
I agree completely about the accuracy - didn't make it clear in previous posts, and it's the time it takes hunting that causes me a problem. Certainly it's far faster in area focus rather than spot, and therefore that's what I use.
In a way I'm glad to see the strength of feeling for the AFD2 here, and especially since it's from people who produce excellent work, from other examples I've seen of it.
I really appreciate all the help you guys (and girls??) have given me, not just when I posed this issue, but on everything else as well. It's such a nice forum to be part of, compared with many others I have seen.
Thanks
J
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Might not be the right forum to post but thought I throw it out there anyways..:+}
Does anybody know if you can have the Mamiya AFDII beep when in focus?
Can you focus a manually and have it show the green light when you are in focus with manual focus?
Thanks for any info..:+}
Snook
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I don't know if it will beep, but I use it all the time with AF in OFF and focus with the hand following the two arrows and green dot. It is very accurate and energy efficient much better than with no green light, but some times, when I am pointing to a texture less object I have to focus with my old eyes.
Might not be the right forum to post but thought I throw it out there anyways..:+}
Does anybody know if you can have the Mamiya AFDII beep when in focus?
Can you focus a manually and have it show the green light when you are in focus with manual focus?
Thanks for any info..:+}
Snook
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Leonardo,
I won't ever go as far as pretending that it is "mine"!
Best regards,
Thierry
In my case I may seam to be often criticizing Thierry's Hy6 and .....
Love and let love friends
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Has anybody seen this??? A string of announcements have appeared on the Mamiya Japan website on the same day:
1. Mamiya RB67 adapter for the ZD back.
2. Mamiya M645 Pro TL200 camera (??? Did I get this right?)
and...
3. Mamiya 645 AFDIII / Phase One 645 AF camera! (Edited:) it looks like just an announcement stating many of the few "facts" that have been discussed here, that it will be revealed at the PIE. There is something in the beginning about "world wide camera sales carrying through a network release." Anybody read Japanese?
http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_20080310_a.html (http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_20080310_a.html)
I don't have any Mamiya gear at all, and never did, but still can't help but feel excited about this.
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Thx for the update. I'm wondering what is really different about the AFD3 to the AFD2.
You can use Google to translate:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...%3Doff%26sa%3DG (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_20080310_a.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.mamiya.co.jp/news_20080310_a.html%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)
Bill
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There's something about C1 4.1 supporting MEF files (nice for ZD owners), and a mention of lens corrections (in the software). I guess CA & fall-off correction.
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So, Pentacon is the European lens manufacturer.
As I recall, their 60mm Curtagon and 150mm Tele-Xenar for the Exacta 66 were sought after (still?)
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So, Pentacon is the European lens manufacturer.
As I recall, their 60mm Curtagon and 150mm Tele-Xenar for the Exacta 66 were sought after (still?)
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...which is owned by Schneider.
What is not clear from that webpage is whether there is merely a new adapter to allow use of Pentacon lenses (as with Hasselblad V), or will there be a new line of lenses?
If these lenses are new, then why use the Pentacon name and not Schneider? Will these not be 'premium' lenses?
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dont know who owns the pentacon-name nowadays. maybe carl zeiss or the zeiss-jena people?
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I just answered that in the last post. Schneider.
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*The name apears to be "PHASE ONE 645 AF"
*There is a 645 Pro TL 200 in at least 9 different colors
*シャッタースピードは1/4000秒から60分まで対応。
Shataspeedo wa 1/4000 bio kara ... which if I remember my Japanese well (my wife is from Tokyo) they are talking about shutter speeds of one four thousand of a second... but don't know about flash speeds..
*ハッセルブラッドVシリーズレンズ
Hasselblad series V lenses .. when talking about what the Phase One 645 AF will accept.
One way to go to market with leaf lenses would be to make the body work with existing higher flash sync optics like Hasselblad.
By the way, I don't know why the AFD lost the capacity to work with leaf lenses that the 645 Pro TL had ??
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*There is a 645 Pro TL 200 in at least 9 different colors
It's always dangerous to put too much stock in online translations of foreign language sites, but the Google translation of the 645 Pro TL 200 page suggests this is just a limited edition of a fairly old model, not a new camera per se. From the translation, it appears the only thing new is the colors. If that's the case, it's a shame, because the body looks interesting, with a removable pentaprism finder and an optional waist-level finder.
Regarding the leaf lenses, I guess I'll be mildly surprised if they're anything other than off-the-shelf lenses used with an adapter. I'd certainly like to be surprised, however.
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As the press release from Mamiya is dated 10 March, one might hope that Phase One would also relase some more info.
What seems interesting is that the same or similar cameras will be sold by Mamiya and by Phase One. I wonder how much difference there will be between the two bodies.
This is the most likely upgrade path for me as and when I move from my ZD camera.
Quentin
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*The name apears to be "PHASE ONE 645 AF"
*There is a 645 Pro TL 200 in at least 9 different colors
*??????????1/4000???60??????
Shataspeedo wa 1/4000 bio kara ... which if I remember my Japanese well (my wife is from Tokyo) they are talking about shutter speeds of one four thousand of a second... but don't know about flash speeds..
*????????V???????
Hasselblad series V lenses .. when talking about what the Phase One 645 AF will accept.
One way to go to market with leaf lenses would be to make the body work with existing higher flash sync optics like Hasselblad.
By the way, I don't know why the AFD lost the capacity to work with leaf lenses that the 645 Pro TL had ??
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I agree but they do not...
Stupid marketing move there..:+}
specially b/c I have the 55/80/150 LS mamiya lens...:+}
It is because when the lens is not triggered when the mirror drops...:+}
Seems like they could make some kind of electric adaptor..
Hopefully they get something out soon..:+}
Snook
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It is as if they never had the curiosity to go to forums like this and address the main issues and complains.
... No, we don't want the film-only-Pro TL in 9 colors.... it is interesting that it was almost the same thing that Hasselblad did with the classic 6x6 model a few years ago...
I agree but they do not...
Stupid marketing move there..:+}
specially b/c I have the 55/80/150 LS mamiya lens...:+}
It is because when the lens is not triggered when the mirror drops...:+}
Seems like they could make some kind of electric adaptor..
Hopefully they get something out soon..:+}
Snook
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It is as if they never had the curiosity to go to forums like this and address the main issues and complains.
... No, we don't want the film-only-Pro TL in 9 colors.... it is interesting that it was almost the same thing that Hasselblad did with the classic 6x6 model a few years ago...
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the japanese market is different though...they have a nice fetish for vintage cameras and apparently the pro tl is quite a famous one
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Yes, this seams to be a limited edition sold on their website for a format that first came out in 1975 and is now the way to go (except for the Hy6 that is betting on 6x6). I you are a camera collector this is one to get. I like the white one, or yellow... $3,671.32 for the kit ?
the japanese market is different though...they have a nice fetish for vintage cameras and apparently the pro tl is quite a famous one
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I think this thread is a good example to why it is a bad idea for companies to release vague press releases and then sit on the details until trade shows in this age of internet and discussion boards. People are making statements one more ridiculous than the other, based on google translations of a japanese text. Pentacon 6 being the so called "european lens manufacturer" P1 hinted about? Common people, seriously.
For starters Pentacon 6 was a camera discontinued in the 90's, not a lens manufacturer. Second, I hardly think Mamiya is going to compete with H3D and Hy6 with a Franken-camera with 20 year old manual lenses. What they probably were saying is that with adapters you can also use Hasselblad and Pentacon 6 mount lenses if you like.
I think the most likely thing is we're going to see Schneider AFD lenses in the Mamiya mount.
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I think the most likely thing is we're going to see Schneider AFD lenses in the Mamiya mount.
If so I'd break open the bubbly. My Mamiya needs a couple of leaf shuttered schneiders. Especially a 50, a zoom and a 150.... f2 plz.
Looking at the Pentacon website it seems that their brand is widely marketed today. Maybe there is better name recognition for Pentacon in Japan than Schneider? Seems unlikely but... if the Japanese really want 654 film cameras in 11 disgusting cameras then lord knows what brand names sound better! Remember in Japan people like drinks with names like 'Pocari Sweat' and 'Calpis'
The 'Pentacon' name is formed from PENTAgonal as in prism in viewfinder and CONtax, so it doesn't suggest a lack of quality.
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Yes, this seams to be a limited edition sold on their website for a format that first came out in 1975 and is now the way to go (except for the Hy6 that is betting on 6x6). I you are a camera collector this is one to get. I like the white one, or yellow... $3,671.32 for the kit ?
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Those cameras are sweet looking...:+}
with matching prism finder.. Where do I sign up..:+}
Snook
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Pocari Sweat and Calpis are fantastic drinks, nothing better here in NY, but brand naming is notorious in japan, for example, the Mitsubishi Pajero had to be re branded to Montero in Latin America because Pajero is a bad word if you speak Spanish.
Regarding the lack of information. What fun would it be to get all the details at once ... and in English ??
If so I'd break open the bubbly. My Mamiya needs a couple of leaf shuttered schneiders. Especially a 50, a zoom and a 150.... f2 plz.
Looking at the Pentacon website it seems that their brand is widely marketed today. Maybe there is better name recognition for Pentacon in Japan than Schneider? Seems unlikely but... if the Japanese really want 654 film cameras in 11 disgusting cameras then lord knows what brand names sound better! Remember in Japan people like drinks with names like 'Pocari Sweat' and 'Calpis'
The 'Pentacon' name is formed from PENTAgonal as in prism in viewfinder and CONtax, so it doesn't suggest a lack of quality.
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www.phaseone.com/camera
It's here!