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Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on November 27, 2007, 11:01:44 am
Things are looking up: having made a crude prototype, a proper engineering firm has now made a better version that DOES provide manual aperture control of a Nikon G lens on a Canon digital body – according to a conversation we had today; I await their prototype by mail.

That means 1Ds III users will be able to use the new 14-24mm f2.8 for the ultimate in wide angle joy, if preliminary samples, Ken Rockwell's review, and the manufacturer's MTF charts are to be believed. You might also be interested in trying their excellent G-VR lenses like the 105 Macro and 200mm f2 . . . or even the 200-400/4.

Please PM or email me at mark at the domain 16-9.net if you're interested: the more that want them, the cheaper they will be.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Jonathan Wienke on November 27, 2007, 11:50:06 am
Stop-down metering, I assume?
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on November 27, 2007, 05:41:08 pm
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Stop-down metering, I assume?
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Yes . . . same as the Nikon F adaptor, but with an additional control designed to replace the 'missing aperture ring'. Mimicking the Nikon AF system, plus linking it with a mechanical actuator would be a nightmare. The Contax N conversion is actually much simpler because it's all electronic, and Contax' AF is relatively similar to the Canon's.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Anders_HK on November 27, 2007, 07:58:47 pm
Mark,

Congrats to the work on that adapter and getting a company make it!  

Will be super for using Nikon G lenses on Canon  

Regards
Anders
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: DMT on November 28, 2007, 01:47:52 am
Or, for even better results, y'all could put the 14-24 on a D3.  Just a thought.  
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Anders_HK on November 28, 2007, 05:39:14 am
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Or, for even better results, y'all could put the 14-24 on a D3.  Just a thought.   
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I cannot help to jump on this post for those who do not yet realize the value of such adapter.

I am an ex Nikon user. I still have my 17-35 AF-S and 45mm P lenses, the last is one I perhaps will never sell. In lack of Nikon having a FF I researched Canon and then broader and went for Mamiya. I now shoot ZD camera and 7ii.

The new Nikon D3 is FF, but not impressive to me. I shoot mainly landscapes and scenery and it lacks not only ISO 50 but even 100. That renders it useless. Likewise when it comes to having only 12MP. That is not enough for my photography. I have had Nikon F100 (very good camera, especially with Fuji Velvia ISO 50) and in digital D50 and D200 (last over 17 months, whereof D50 was only 2).

Holding a Canon 5D earlier this year was a totally different feeling. It felt somewhat like back to my F100 and photography again.

It is healthy for us all to think further than our own brand. Canon has the advantage of that there is room for an adapter between lens mounts of other brand of lenses and the camera. That is a great possibility. That is more difficult if you shoot Nikon. Do check on Mark's webpage at the extensive experience he has in fitting other brand lenses on Canon. That is impressive and very great.

Canon is seemingly lagging behind Nikon in wide zooms. However, Canon has a larger choice of lenses, and also more lenses with wider aperatures than Nikon to help isolate subjects with out of focus blur, similar to what medium format has.

This adapter with aperature blades is really great and useful product. If I go back to DSLR, little question in my mind that it will be a Canon. I think they are still ahead in spite of D3, and this adapter would be a true gem.  

Regards
Anders
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on November 28, 2007, 05:49:47 am
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Or, for even better results, y'all could put the 14-24 on a D3.  Just a thought.   
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What's a D3?
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on November 28, 2007, 05:53:22 am
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Mark,

Congrats to the work on that adapter and getting a company make it!   

Will be super for using Nikon G lenses on Canon   

Regards
Anders
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Thanks, Anders.

It has been a bit of a struggle to find someone prepared to do it, and it's early days yet, but I should have the working prototype by the end of the week. I'll update the 16-9 web site with a write-up ASAP.

I'm still awaiting confirmation of costs, and whether we can incorporate an AF-confirm chip but by the end of next week we should have more positive news.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Sunesha on November 28, 2007, 07:02:19 am
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What's a D3?
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The latest fullframe Nikon camera that they market against photojournalist/sports. In canon terms I would describe it is like puttin a fullframe in a 1dmk3.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Thomas Krόger on November 28, 2007, 07:04:58 am
That's fine news.

I'm using the Nikon 10.5 DX ED Fisheye on a Canon 5D, so if it's possible to adjust the frame that would be great.

Here is a link to another selfmade adapter:
http://michel.thoby.free.fr/Adaptateur_EOS...OS_adapter.html (http://michel.thoby.free.fr/Adaptateur_EOS_Nikon/Instal_a_manual-Stop_setting_on_the_Nik-EOS_adapter.html)
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Conner999 on November 30, 2007, 07:58:32 am
The ability to use G lenses, wide or long (200-400, hoorah) would be sweet.

While it would be MF, stop-down for someone (like me) considering a  moving (back) to Nikon in maybe 12-18 mos after the D3 has shaken out , the ability to have a lens cabinet that contains glass that will work on Nikon AND Canon to make any such switch less costly would be ideal. If there is no switch, you're no worse off. You get to use nice sharp G lenses that have a very big resale market if needd.

Personally, am trickling out my Leica glass to be replaced by Zeiss ZF and 1-2 EF units  and/or maybe now 1-2 nice G units.  I do most of my work manual focus on alt glass, but need at least one good AF unit.

Hopefully Canon kicks things into higher-gear as I'm seeing nice lens additions coming out of Nikon and the ability to use ZF lenses AND Nikkors without stop-down metering would be very nice.

Lets see some new FAST and tack sharp primes and zooms and. btw, do something about the sampe variation - not all of us live ear large dealers where we can cherry pick our purchase.

I'll drop you a PM.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: digitaldog on November 30, 2007, 09:43:28 am
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... if preliminary samples, Ken Rockwell's review, and the manufacturer's MTF charts are to be believed.

Well if Ken is using the same logic here as he does to color spaces and color management, I'd be worried. But I don't know, he may be fully capable to discuss this aspect of imaging. Sorry, but his much referenced piece on sRGB is ridiculously silly.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on November 30, 2007, 11:30:53 am
Ken takes a lot of flak for his somewhat subjective style, but in my experience he's never far off the money when it comes to Nikon lenses. As one of the very few who have experience with the new 14-24mm – not to mention most of the legendary Nikkor wides ever made – when he says it's by far the best thing he's ever used, it's credible.

You've only got to compare the MTFs internally with Nikon's own range – and consider their very slow and thoroughly thought-out approach to full frame – and their track record of breaking new ground with their ultrawides (the DX 12-24 is very special, too, as was the 17-35 AFS before it) to take the 'hype' seriously in this instance.

Truth be told, I see no hype at all for this lens yet: seems to me its greatness is destined to be undersung, given that, ironically, only 1Ds III shooters will really see what it can do.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: NikosR on December 05, 2007, 09:02:02 am
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The new Nikon D3 is FF, but not impressive to me. I shoot mainly landscapes and scenery and it lacks not only ISO 50 but even 100. That renders it useless

Just out of curiosity why would lack of ISO 50 or 100 render a camera useless for landscapes? (btw. the D3 provides for LO ISO - ISO100 equivalent).
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: bob mccarthy on December 05, 2007, 09:08:24 am
It's usually the desire to have burr in moving objects. But then again it's real easy to add an ND filter when the lighting warrants it..

Me, I'd rather have the higher base ISO.

Bob
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 05, 2007, 09:27:23 am
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Truth be told, I see no hype at all for this lens yet: seems to me its greatness is destined to be undersung, given that, ironically, only 1Ds III shooters will really see what it can do.
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This is lens is nothing short of amazing, just like the new 24-70 f2.8 by the way.

I would advise Canon shooters not to buy it though, or else you will end up buying every single Nikkor to be released on the coming months... and end up using them without coupling in manual focus.

I would be much smarter to wait a few month to see if Nikon does indeed release a 24 MP D3x and then jump ship at once.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on December 06, 2007, 10:14:58 am
Just uploaded the first pictures of the Nikon 14-24mm G used via a prototype adaptor on the Canon 5D. No mirror clearance issues, AF confirm checks out OK and registration seems OK, too: though I'm still looking into fine tuning it.

http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/nikon_14_24...n14_24mm_a.html (http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/nikon_14_24mm_1/nikon14_24mm_a.html)

That Nikon 14-24/2.8 is one very special lens: it's a bit wasted on a D3, but it will THE lens for 1Ds III owners: there's nothing to touch it.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Craig Lamson on December 06, 2007, 01:16:19 pm
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Just uploaded the first pictures of the Nikon 14-24mm G used via a prototype adaptor on the Canon 5D. No mirror clearance issues, AF confirm checks out OK and registration seems OK, too: though I'm still looking into fine tuning it.

http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/nikon_14_24...n14_24mm_a.html (http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/nikon_14_24mm_1/nikon14_24mm_a.html)

That Nikon 14-24/2.8 is one very special lens: it's a bit wasted on a D3, but it will THE lens for 1Ds III owners: there's nothing to touch it.
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Oh Mark!  I love my 12-24 and it's made me some good green, but this Nikon is very very nice!  How much are your adapters going for?  When can I order one?

Can't wait to see a f8 or better yet and f11 comparison.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: felix5616 on December 06, 2007, 02:25:50 pm
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Things are looking up: having made a crude prototype, a proper engineering firm has now made a better version that DOES provide manual aperture control of a Nikon G lens on a Canon digital body – according to a conversation we had today; I await their prototype by mail.

That means 1Ds III users will be able to use the new 14-24mm f2.8 for the ultimate in wide angle joy, if preliminary samples, Ken Rockwell's review, and the manufacturer's MTF charts are to be believed. You might also be interested in trying their excellent G-VR lenses like the 105 Macro and 200mm f2 . . . or even the 200-400/4.

Please PM or email me at mark at the domain 16-9.net if you're interested: the more that want them, the cheaper they will be.
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i am interested in the converter for the nikon G lenses to canon eos camera
leo([email protected])
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on December 07, 2007, 05:33:00 am
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Oh Mark!  I love my 12-24 and it's made me some good green, but this Nikon is very very nice!  How much are your adapters going for?  When can I order one?

Can't wait to see a f8 or better yet and f11 comparison.
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As I say in the review, the Sigma has been a stalwart for me and many similar photographers over the years, but the Nikon completely replaces it, bar the last 2mm which I'll cover with a Zeiss fisheye.
More tests to follow . . .
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: CJL on December 08, 2007, 01:53:40 pm
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Ken takes a lot of flak for his somewhat subjective style, but in my experience he's never far off the money when it comes to Nikon lenses. As one of the very few who have experience with the new 14-24mm – not to mention most of the legendary Nikkor wides ever made – when he says it's by far the best thing he's ever used, it's credible.

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That's just too funny...  

If you read his disclaimers, you will realize Ken's never actually used a lot of the lenses and other equipment he's "reviewed"...
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Slough on December 17, 2007, 05:07:17 pm
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If you read his disclaimers, you will realize Ken's never actually used a lot of the lenses and other equipment he's "reviewed"...
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No, he definitely spends at least five minutes at a trade show playing around with a pre production sample of a lens before he publishes a full in depth review. (And I am not kidding. He has done that before.)

(Actually to be fair to him, most of his reviews are of lenses he owns, or has borrowed. So I think comments such as the above are unjust. However I prefer to look elsewhere for reviews. Read into that what you will.)
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on December 24, 2007, 05:06:00 pm
OK: I promised news before Christmas (few hours to go).
Now open for orders . . . first come, first served!

http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g (http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g)
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: timhurst on December 26, 2007, 12:20:10 pm
This looks fascinating, do you have a picture of it?

Does the lever-less version use the blades in the lens or are they built into the adaptor? And how does the rendering differ between using the diaphragm blades in the adapter or the blades in the lens (thinking of OOF areas)?


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OK: I promised news before Christmas (few hours to go).
Now open for orders . . . first come, first served!

http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g (http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g)
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Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: luong on December 26, 2007, 12:51:39 pm
Well done, Mark. I'm sure you will have more info and pictures of both when production is more advanced. The lens was tested by Chasseur d'Images who considers it to be a bargain even at 2000 Euros. They found the sharpness and CA outstanding at all focals, apertures, and image areas. A bit of distortion and vignetting (comparable to a 17mm) at 14 that won't be fixed by DxO on the Canon anytime soon...
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: luong on December 26, 2007, 01:29:47 pm
By the way, I'm wondering why this kind of thing has to be done by a photographer rather by Canon. It looks like with their resources they could engineer an adapter that retains more couplings, and make it a selling point (kind of like Apple' Boot Camp), esp. since for  Nikon will never be able to do the opposite.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on December 27, 2007, 06:52:18 am
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This looks fascinating, do you have a picture of it?

Does the lever-less version use the blades in the lens or are they built into the adaptor? And how does the rendering differ between using the diaphragm blades in the adapter or the blades in the lens (thinking of OOF areas)?
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Pix soon . . . the adaptor makes no alteration whatsoever (at least, none that I can detect with a 5D or 1Ds III) to the performance of the lens. Both versions of the adaptor simply actuate the built-in diaphragm lever.

Fortunately for us, Nikon G compatible bodies use a mechanical coupling at the business end (despite the electronically selecting 'front-end'), which makes it relatively simple to adapt. If Nikon had gone all-electronic (like the Contax N) it would be possible to undertake a more radical/expensive conversion that retains AE and AF, but this remains a pipe dream at present.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on December 27, 2007, 07:03:31 am
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By the way, I'm wondering why this kind of thing has to be done by a photographer rather by Canon. It looks like with their resources they could engineer an adapter that retains more couplings, and make it a selling point (kind of like Apple' Boot Camp), esp. since for  Nikon will never be able to do the opposite.
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If only everything in life was Apple. Not wishing unfairly to cast Canon as the Microsoft of the camera domain, no company is going to act against their vested interests: BootCamp helps Apple sell more computers; presumably Canon fears that selling Nikon adaptors would sell fewer Canon lenses.

Would they sell more Canon bodies if they sold off-brand adaptors? Would that, plus the revenue from adaptor sales (bearing in mind the vanishing margins created by ever-cheaper competition) be enough to offset the loss of sales in their flagship lens products? I suspect not.

And I suspect the question won't even be asked: as a company, Canon invests major chunks of R&D budget – not to mention corporate pride – in their 'Eyes of EOS': officially providing a way to use Nikon lenses (of all things) would be tantamount to admitting their lenses were second rate. It's hard to see a heresy of that magnitude making headway in the boardroom.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Mark D Segal on December 27, 2007, 04:14:15 pm
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OK: I promised news before Christmas (few hours to go).
Now open for orders . . . first come, first served!

http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g (http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g)
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I went to your website and couldn't really understand enough to decide whether I should buy this adapter. Perhaps you could be so kind as to amplify the description of what these adaptors do and don't do. In particular:

(1) What would be the advantages of the version with lever as opposed to leverless explaining why the former is so much costlier.

(2) Do I understand correctly that using a Nikon lens with this adaptor means that one would be focusing manually and determining exposure manually?

Thanks and regards,

Mark S
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Christopher on January 05, 2008, 03:08:49 pm
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I went to your website and couldn't really understand enough to decide whether I should buy this adapter. Perhaps you could be so kind as to amplify the description of what these adaptors do and don't do. In particular:

(1) What would be the advantages of the version with lever as opposed to leverless explaining why the former is so much costlier.

(2) Do I understand correctly that using a Nikon lens with this adaptor means that one would be focusing manually and determining exposure manually?

Thanks and regards,

Mark S
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It would be great if you could answer the questions aboth.

Thanks.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Russell Price on January 06, 2008, 12:45:43 pm
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZhappypagehk

This person makes and sells adapters to use Pentax, Olympus and Nikon lenses for use on the EOS cameras.  

This may be a good source of adapters.  I own three of them.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Huib on January 06, 2008, 03:08:53 pm
^^ I don't think that he sells an Canon / Nikon G lens adapter
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Russell Price on January 06, 2008, 03:17:50 pm
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^^ I don't think that he sells an Canon / Nikon G lens adapter
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I have one in my hand.  He makes one.  It is the same cost as the Pentax adapter.  You may need to write him to see if he has any in stock.

Try this email address:  [email protected]

[a href=\"http://optix.happypage.com/]http://optix.happypage.com/[/url]
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Huib on January 06, 2008, 04:00:16 pm
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I have one in my hand.  He makes one.  It is the same cost as the Pentax adapter.  You may need to write him to see if he has any in stock.

Try this email address:  [email protected]

http://optix.happypage.com/ (http://optix.happypage.com/)
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I don't think you understand it. On the site of happypage is standing:
"Nikon G-lenses and third-party Nikon mount lenses without Aperture ring is not yet supported because they lack the provision to control the aperture manually"
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Russell Price on January 06, 2008, 04:06:43 pm
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I don't think you understand it. On the site of happypage is standing:
"Nikon G-lenses and third-party Nikon mount lenses without Aperture ring is not yet supported because they lack the provision to control the aperture manually"
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OK, I understand.  Did you write him a note and ask him if he making one or plans to.  My adapter is for my older lenses.  That is the one I have.

Since he is making all these other adapters, maybe he has plans to make one.  I made the suggestion to help people find a source.  It was made with that intent.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on January 06, 2008, 09:22:54 pm
Both adaptors work very similarly to all the other lens mount adaptors available: you lose AF, AE and VR, but they are chipped to enable focus-confirmation: you see the red squares light up when focus is acquired, just like a Canon lens.

As with adapted Leica, Contax, Olympus or Nikon lenses, one typically composes with the lens wide open, then stops down to allow the camera to meter through the lens.

The lever-operated version is simply more expensive to produce. Some prefer to rotate the lens in the mount; others prefer to select the aperture with a lever. I will be offering a crossgrade option in due course to allow buyers to try both.

More details coming soon . . . .
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: CVYE on March 18, 2008, 02:27:50 pm
Who's got one? Anyone tried it with a 5D?
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 18, 2008, 06:31:18 pm
I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. Ordered over a month ago.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: BernardLanguillier on March 18, 2008, 06:36:35 pm
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I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. Ordered over a month ago.
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I am glad to see that your transition to the Nikon system has started. :-)

Once you have the lenses, it will only be a matter of months until you put your hands on a body and see the remaining part of the light.  

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: ChrisJR on March 18, 2008, 06:54:49 pm
I tried a Nikon D3 with the 14-24 lens at Focus on Imaging in February and have to say I was desperately impressed. Ergonomics are so much nicer than the 1d mk3 I have now, the autofocus was fantastic and the lens quite simply stunning. Just trying to convince the wife it's worth a change
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 18, 2008, 07:31:18 pm
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I am glad to see that your transition to the Nikon system has started. :-)

Once you have the lenses, it will only be a matter of months until you put your hands on a body and see the remaining part of the light.   

Cheers,
Bernard
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That really would be over-indulgent of me, Bernard, to buy a new body just so I could get the autofocus facility on one wide-angle lens.  
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 18, 2008, 07:41:09 pm
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That really would be over-indulgent of me, Bernard, to buy a new body just so I could get the autofocus facility on one wide-angle lens. 
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Ray, there's more to it than that. It has a number of unique features of great appeal to photographers - things that Canon could have already done if they really had a corporate culture of listening to customers. That said, the D3 is a 12 MP camera and the 1Ds3 21 MP; also very different price points. So comparing them isn't really all that straightforward - one probably wins in some respects, the other in others. What I do know is that my 1ds3 is delivering stunning detail and tonality, and they've made it much more user-friendly than its predecessors (so gradually over time they do listen to some people about some stuff!). A complete system change would cost a bundle and at this time it makes no practical sense - at least for me. Having lens adapters that allow Nikon and Canon bodies to accept Canon and Nikon lenses is the way to go - opens-up the best of both worlds in lenses, as it would seem that brand each has its stronger and weaker performers.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: schrodingerscat on March 19, 2008, 12:06:09 am
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Ray, there's more to it than that. It has a number of unique features of great appeal to photographers - things that Canon could have already done if they really had a corporate culture of listening to customers. That said, the D3 is a 12 MP camera and the 1Ds3 21 MP; also very different price points. So comparing them isn't really all that straightforward - one probably wins in some respects, the other in others. What I do know is that my 1ds3 is delivering stunning detail and tonality, and they've made it much more user-friendly than its predecessors (so gradually over time they do listen to some people about some stuff!). A complete system change would cost a bundle and at this time it makes no practical sense - at least for me. Having lens adapters that allow Nikon and Canon bodies to accept Canon and Nikon lenses is the way to go - opens-up the best of both worlds in lenses, as it would seem that brand each has its stronger and weaker performers.
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Ford/Chevy
Chevy/Mopar
Mopar/Ford
Whoops...AutoUnion/Ford
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 19, 2008, 05:51:43 am
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Ford/Chevy
Chevy/Mopar
Mopar/Ford
Whoops...AutoUnion/Ford
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What have cars got to do with this? Is there anyone here who chooses cameras using similar criteria to choosing cars? Is there anyone here who feels locked in to buying Chevies because they have a lot of expensive accessories that won't work with another brand of car?

What point are you trying to make?
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 19, 2008, 06:06:43 am
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Ray, there's more to it than that. It has a number of unique features of great appeal to photographers - things that Canon could have already done if they really had a corporate culture of listening to customers.
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Okay, Mark. You've got me curious   . As an exercise in objectivity (if nothing else), could you please list all the really useful features the D3 has which the 1Ds3 lacks.

I recently bought a Canon 40D which I didn't really need, and I'm a bit ashamed of myself for caving in to the seduction of a bargain price. I rationalize to myself that at least it has a faster frame rate than my 5D and a LiveView feature which allows for more accurate manual focussing, if needed, and it sure is needed if one's lens has an autofocus problem and requires calibration.

The marginally larger LCD panel is hardly worth mentioning and a re-organisation of the menu is not a major issue.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 19, 2008, 07:24:45 am
Hi Ray, as I wrote that I thought you'd ask - and you did   ; the bet and shortest response is to refer you to stuff Michael has written about the D3 and D300 on this site. Three distinctive features which come to mind are the auto-adjusting ISO, the easier route to mirror lock-up and the very high ISO (with surprisingly clean results at those levels of sensitivity).

As for the 40D, of course it's always good to have a second body for insurance, and the higher frame rate could make it particularly suitable for some kinds of work, but that 5D remains a very fine camera. From what I've seen of it, unless one really wants more MP or those added features of the newer models, it's still a keeper.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: NikosR on March 19, 2008, 07:57:53 am
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and the very high ISO (with surprisingly clean results at those levels of sensitivity).

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Oh NO!   You did it. You mentioned D3 and High ISO in the same paragraph in a response to Ray. Now you have it coming. There we go (again...) I'm counting seconds
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 19, 2008, 08:04:27 am
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Three distinctive features which come to mind are the auto-adjusting ISO, the easier route to mirror lock-up and the very high ISO (with surprisingly clean results at those levels of sensitivity).

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Thanks Mark. All those features are an improvement and worthwhile. I don't want to create the impression I have any prejuduce against Nikon. I don't.

However, the bottom line for me is, how significant are those features in capturing a specific image. Could one attest, for example, that a particular image was only possible because of the auto-adjusting ISO of the D3?

Could one assert that, 'sorry this image is not quite as sharp as it should be because I didn't have the easy access to MLU that the D3 has"?

I agree that the D3 has an undeniable noise advantage at high ISO (compared with the 5D). I just happen to believe it's fairly small, because I've seen no results to the contrary.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 19, 2008, 08:22:46 am
Ray, I think you're looking at it in the right way - what counts in a decision is the importance of the new stuff to the decision-maker - not simply the fact that it's new stuff.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Mark D Segal on March 19, 2008, 08:24:48 am
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Oh NO!   You did it. You mentioned D3 and High ISO in the same paragraph in a response to Ray. Now you have it coming. There we go (again...) I'm counting seconds
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And what's the issue here? Did I say anything wrong? My 1Ds3 has a high ISO of 3200 and the D3 can be pushed up to 25,000. That's just a matter of specs. I didn't say how well each performs when pushed - that would require the kind of testing I can't do because I don't own a D3.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: NikosR on March 19, 2008, 11:33:35 am
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And what's the issue here? Did I say anything wrong? My 1Ds3 has a high ISO of 3200 and the D3 can be pushed up to 25,000. That's just a matter of specs. I didn't say how well each performs when pushed - that would require the kind of testing I can't do because I don't own a D3.
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Attempting to explain a joke is worse than making an ineffective joke in the first place. Suffice to say I should have stressed the word 'Ray' in my post
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 19, 2008, 11:48:06 am
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Attempting to explain a joke is worse than making an ineffective joke in the first place. Suffice to say I should have stressed the word 'Ray' in my post
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I'm not a joke. All my comments are based on evidence. Prove me wrong with sound evidence and I'll retract any of my relevant statements.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: NikosR on March 19, 2008, 11:56:41 am
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I'm not a joke. All my comments are based on evidence. Prove me wrong with sound evidence and I'll retract any of my relevant statements.
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I refered to MY comment as a joke. I don't consider you to be a joke, just a bit obsessed in repeating the same or similar comments in a multitude of threads every time opportunity arises. I thought that MarkDS gave you that opportunity, hence my joke.

PS. I would have said the same if Albert Einstein was repeating his theories in here in every relevent or irrelevant thread he could find.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 19, 2008, 12:05:41 pm
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I refered to MY comment as a joke. I don't consider you to be a joke, just a bit obsessed in repeating the same or similar comments in a multitude of threads every time opportunity arises. I thought that MarkDS gave you that opportunity, hence my joke.
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Okay! Apology accepted. There's one very simple way to shut me up on this issue. Do the tests and prove me wrong.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: NikosR on March 19, 2008, 12:12:48 pm
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Okay! Apology accepted. There's one very simple way to shut me up on this issue. Do the tests and prove me wrong.
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Why don't you get yourself a D3, do any tests you want to do and prove it to yourself one way or the other. Then sell the camera. The costs you will incure will be insignificant compared to the fact that you will have satisfied your curiosity and solved you life dilemma.

 
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 19, 2008, 12:29:55 pm
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Why don't you get yourself a D3, do any tests you want to do and prove it to yourself one way or the other. Then sell the camera. The costs you will incure will be insignificant compared to the fact that you will have satisfied your curiosity and solved you life dilemma.

 
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Hey! I'm not that obsessed. Do you think I'm a freak? I have enough work testing my current Canon equipment. I already have two lenses in for calibration because they are either not sharp or not autofocussing properly.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: NikosR on March 19, 2008, 12:32:50 pm
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Hey! I'm not that obsessed. Do you think I'm a freak? I have enough work testing my current Canon equipment. I already have two lenses in for calibration because they are either not sharp or not autofocussing properly.
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Ah! A D3 (as well as Pro Canon cams) would solve the AF issue in the most part with their AF calibation feature
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on March 19, 2008, 12:37:51 pm
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Ah! A D3 (as well as Pro Canon cams) would solve the AF issue in the most part with their AF calibation feature
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True! But you have to have lenese to calibrate in the first place. I've got no Nikkkor lenses. When (if) my adaptor arrives, I'll get at least one Nikkor lens, and that lens will not need calibrating because autofocus will not apply.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: CVYE on March 19, 2008, 02:32:45 pm
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True! But you have to have lenese to calibrate in the first place. I've got no Nikkkor lenses. When (if) my adaptor arrives, I'll get at least one Nikkor lens, and that lens will not need calibrating because autofocus will not apply.
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How about you guys get your own thread ... I just want to know if this adaptor actually exists, and if anyone has one...
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: sojournerphoto on March 19, 2008, 04:14:41 pm
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How about you guys get your own thread ... I just want to know if this adaptor actually exists, and if anyone has one...
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You need to email or call Mark at 16-9.net - he is the man who made it possible.

Mike
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: luong on March 19, 2008, 05:04:26 pm
So Mark, how about an update ?
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: CVYE on March 20, 2008, 08:06:54 am
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You need to email or call Mark at 16-9.net - he is the man who made it possible.

Mike
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I did. He's gone dark, lately...why i'm worried this is just vaporware...
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Wolfman on March 20, 2008, 04:57:02 pm
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I did. He's gone dark, lately...why i'm worried this is just vaporware...
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I got an email from him today and he sent this link to a shipping update: [a href=\"http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g/]http://www.16-9.net/nikon_g/[/url]
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Huib on April 21, 2008, 03:24:32 am
Has Anybody heard something from Mark?
Accoording his website 4th April he got the first batch. After that he never updated any news about the shipping.
I sent him a mail last week but didn't get an answer.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Henry Goh on April 21, 2008, 03:33:23 am
He has not responded to emails and does not seem interested to deal with people who have already paid in full for the adapter.  I will be calling VISA to do a chargeback since I have no idea if he is even alive or dead.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: sojournerphoto on April 21, 2008, 06:53:10 am
Mark is around because he recently posted on the Sony system - you could try following the links on his website and gving him a ring. I know people should respond to emails, but worth a shot...

Mike
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: jani on April 21, 2008, 07:18:12 am
My guess is that there's something wrong with his e-mail provider, spam filter or something like that.

Some time ago, I sent a query regarding some of the lenses and adaptors for sale (all sold, according to the April 1 update), but I received no response. The e-mail was successfully received by his e-mail provider, but must have gotten lost, or his response got lost.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Huib on April 22, 2008, 04:24:47 pm
^^ My guess is that there is really something wrong. How can he go on to ask people to send him money?
I sent Mark almost 4 months ago in good trust the money.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Wolfman on April 23, 2008, 01:25:10 am
I emailed him a couple of days ago about the progress of the adapter that I payed for about a month ago and no response either. I hope he comes through.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: mcbroomf on April 23, 2008, 09:09:45 am
He has posted on FM recently
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/638559/0#lastmessage (http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/638559/0#lastmessage)

Mike
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Huib on April 23, 2008, 04:33:53 pm
Mark updated finally the news about the adapter on his website. HE IS SHIPPING NOW!!!
I will be probably in the first batch ;-)
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: collum on May 01, 2008, 07:56:11 pm
Mark has started shipping. I got mine today.. looks like excellent workmanship.. haven't used it yet though
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Post by: Conner999 on May 03, 2008, 07:34:42 am
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Mark has started shipping. I got mine today.. looks like excellent workmanship.. haven't used it yet though
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Pic of adapter?
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: MarkWelsh on May 05, 2008, 03:19:18 pm
Sorry guys: nothing sinister is afoot – I just tend to post more at FM than I do here, and I've been busy with proper work! However, I have replied to all emails sent, setup a 'status update' page on the order page, and refunded anyone who's asked for it.

We are now shipping, and working through the backlog as fast as possible.
Title: Finally! A Nikon G-EOS Adaptor
Post by: Ray on July 21, 2008, 12:24:50 am
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Sorry guys: nothing sinister is afoot – I just tend to post more at FM than I do here, and I've been busy with proper work! However, I have replied to all emails sent, setup a 'status update' page on the order page, and refunded anyone who's asked for it.

We are now shipping, and working through the backlog as fast as possible.
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Mark,
This is getting to be a farce. I ordered my Nikon/Canon adapter in early February this year. Five month's later, it still hasn't arrived.