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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: jpjespersen on September 28, 2007, 08:09:33 pm
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Can somebody tell me how much a Cambo Wide DS with 35mm and AFD plate and viewfinder should cost me, and I guess anything else I may need to make it ready to go. I am having trouble figuring out what this kit should cost.
Thanks,
JP Jespersen
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Can somebody tell me how much a Cambo Wide DS with 35mm and AFD plate and viewfinder should cost me, and I guess anything else I may need to make it ready to go. I am having trouble figuring out what this kit should cost.
Thanks,
JP Jespersen
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I'm not sure about the lens, but I picked up a used Wide DS body with the Mamiya mount for $2095. I got it directly from Calumet. As for lenses, I tend to rent them still until I can afford one. I don't own any of the viewfinder accessories for it as I tend to shoot tethered and can use live preview to compose.
Dave
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Can somebody tell me how much a Cambo Wide DS with 35mm and AFD plate and viewfinder should cost me, and I guess anything else I may need to make it ready to go. I am having trouble figuring out what this kit should cost.
Thanks,
JP Jespersen
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I bought mine in the spring from this guy. Prices are a bit higher now so I can't tell you what the current ones are.
Kevin Farrell
Technical Sales Representative
Calumet Photographic, Inc
P: 800-225-8638 Ext. 3250
F: 800-577-3686
E: kevin.farrell@calumetphoto.com
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Phase was offering a Cambo WDS package when bought with a back. I think Capture Integration still has it available:
http://www.captureintegration.com/sales/CamboWide.html (http://www.captureintegration.com/sales/CamboWide.html)
Pricing was $3,500 with a Rodenstock 35mm and $4,500 with a Schneider 24mm.
You might be able to find one a Phase user bought? I am also somewhat interested in a used one if anyone has one. I'm still using the older Cambo Wide (not DS.)
Best,
Michael
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Phase was offering a Cambo WDS package when bought with a back. I think Capture Integration still has it available:
http://www.captureintegration.com/sales/CamboWide.html (http://www.captureintegration.com/sales/CamboWide.html)
Pricing was $3,500 with a Rodenstock 35mm and $4,500 with a Schneider 24mm.
You might be able to find one a Phase user bought? I am also somewhat interested in a used one if anyone has one. I'm still using the older Cambo Wide (not DS.)
Best,
Michael
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Why is the Rodenstock 35mm lens so much cheaper than the Schneider 35mm. Does the Schneider have superior optics?
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Your better off with either the Silvestri or Horseman cameras. Worth whatever you pay. If you are going to go through that much to get a nice camera and pay attention to detail, you might as well get a better camera.
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David, have you used a Cambo Wide DS? I really like my Cambo DS, and think its a great camera.
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Please don't go for a Horsemann over a Cambo WDS. I changed after a poor experience with the first. For a number of reasons the Horsemann is way down the league in my opinion.
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I have shot with the cambo, alpa and silvestri. Obviously, the alpa is the way to go, however, for the price you would be better off with either a silvestri or horseman. The limitations of the horseman is the lens selection. Silvestri does not have that issue. I was able to use my lenses that I had already purchased when I switched over to the silvestri. The cambo is big and clunky and doesn't really fit well for travel. The front and back attachments have slight movements in them so that if the camera is touched or the lens is touched wrong, you will get a slight pixel shift and if you are trying to register images, you will not find a perfect fit. No other system, as far as I know, has that problem. The engineering tolerances are not as tight as some of the others.
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I was prepared not to like the Cambo. As someone who has shot with Sinars since 1973, I want a camera with precise movements. I'm testing the Cambo right now and am impressed with it.
The Horseman does not have the geared movements that the Cambo has, and the most compact Alpa only has a rise; the Alpa XY is bigger.
The Arca Swiss Rm3d looks like it would be the perfect platform--not sure if I could justify the cost.
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I have shot 100's of images with a cambo and never had any camera shift. I have no problem traveling with the cambo in a pelican case and 4 lenses. You need to test and see what you like for yourself. Can you rent a Alpa camera or any extra lenses? I can rent additional lenses and body if I need it.
I have shot with the cambo, alpa and silvestri. Obviously, the alpa is the way to go, however, for the price you would be better off with either a silvestri or horseman. The limitations of the horseman is the lens selection. Silvestri does not have that issue. I was able to use my lenses that I had already purchased when I switched over to the silvestri. The cambo is big and clunky and doesn't really fit well for travel. The front and back attachments have slight movements in them so that if the camera is touched or the lens is touched wrong, you will get a slight pixel shift and if you are trying to register images, you will not find a perfect fit. No other system, as far as I know, has that problem. The engineering tolerances are not as tight as some of the others.
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Why is the Rodenstock 35mm lens so much cheaper than the Schneider 35mm. Does the Schneider have superior optics?
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Read again, the Rodenstock 35mm is cheaper than the Schneider 24mm (where as i think the Rodenstock 35mm is more expensive than the Schneider 35mm, but I have not checked lately...)
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I've taken 1000's of images with the Cambo Wide DS and the 35mm Schneider XL lens is one of my sharpest. The camera is bomber, I do stitches with it regularly and there is never any camera shake. It's also a great location camera, easy to bring on the plane and sets up fast.
Personal taste but I think the Schneider 24mm is too wide and it's not as sharp (IMO) as the 35mm one.
You should be able to by the whole kit (body, lens and AFD adapter) for about $6500 for the AFD. Call Calumet and they'll give you a quote.
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I've taken 1000's of images with the Cambo Wide DS and the 35mm Schneider XL lens is one of my sharpest. The camera is bomber, I do stitches with it regularly and there is never any camera shake. It's also a great location camera, easy to bring on the plane and sets up fast.
Personal taste but I think the Schneider 24mm is too wide and it's not as sharp (IMO) as the 35mm one.
You should be able to by the whole kit (body, lens and AFD adapter) for about $6500 for the AFD. Call Calumet and they'll give you a quote.
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I was prepared not to like the Cambo. As someone who has shot with Sinars since 1973, I want a camera with precise movements. I'm testing the Cambo right now and am impressed with it.
The Horseman does not have the geared movements that the Cambo has, and the most compact Alpa only has a rise; the Alpa XY is bigger.
The Arca Swiss Rm3d looks like it would be the perfect platform--not sure if I could justify the cost.
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I've used the Cambo and the XY. The Alpa XY is smaller. It only takes up the space of a 12" laptop. It sits nicely in the case on top of everything else. When I used to travel with the Cambo I took the wood handle off. The Cambo lenses were also bigger because of the crash bars. In the end, the XY with 5 lenses is much smaller then the equivalent Cambo system, and in total it is not much more money.
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I have shot 100's of images with a cambo and never had any camera shift. I have no problem traveling with the cambo in a pelican case and 4 lenses. You need to test and see what you like for yourself. Can you rent a Alpa camera or any extra lenses? I can rent additional lenses and body if I need it.
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Samy's rents Alpa equipment
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hello
would you guys help me out with who sells the cambo wide ?
I can only have access to those that appears on google search.
I know a few of the DB sellers also sells the camera, I'm considering
to get a "starter kit" with the 35mm, for my leaf back.
cheers
rgs
rueyloon
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Has anyone considered or use the Cambo Wide --COMPACT-- model?
There is almost no info on it anywhere -not even more images than this one- I think that it is a non-PC $2k model that comes with the back adapter and accepts Cambo lenses and a viewfinder.
It could be an alternative for $5k 28mm lenses from the reflex systems with the advantage of better IQ of non retro focus lenses.
PC can be done back at the studio on the PC (Mac)
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Why is the Rodenstock 35mm lens so much cheaper than the Schneider 35mm. Does the Schneider have superior optics?
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The Schneider 35mm has a huge image circle of 105° degrees which gives you maximum shifting. That's why.
Dave
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I shoot with the Cambo Wide DS, 24, 35, 47 and 72XL lenses. I like this camera a lot. I have plenty of friends with the Alpa and its a wonderful camera too. Personally I think that the 'aura' of the Alpa has a lot to do with why people like it.
The Cambo is lightweight, despite its size. I have used it handheld successfully on a number of occasions. The 'bull bars' on the front make it easy to put the camera down on a surface safely... very handy.
I chose to buy small voightlander viewfinders as these generally have a more rectilinear field of view than the Cambo one. I only use these to point the camera in the right direction then use 'polaroids' to finalise the shoot angle.
If I was doing interiors only I'd buy the 47. For architecture generally the 35. The 24 is a 'get out of jail free' lens for tough spots, but the 35 can cope in many situations when you also add in the stitching potential.
The only caveat I have is that the build quality is sometimes lacking. I know people who have had poor lenses, or perhaps I should say 'poorly mounted lenses'. Make sure you quickly perform tough technical tests on any lenses you buy and send it back for adjustment if its not up to spec. I have a sloppily fitting 47XL, but its pin sharp so I don't worry about it. If something like that bothers you, get the Alpa.
I've seen the new compact version of the camera and I think it looks very good though I didn't get a chance to hold it. It has sufficient movement for current MF backs and lenses. I think only my 72L has a big enough image circle to tax its movements while with the 47 and 35 its well matched.
Also consider ease of renting spares (if possible) and the level of support for any platform. Alpa would probably parachute in a guy in a black balaclava if you had a problem, whereas I get the feeling you could wait a long time if there was a fault with a Silvestri. A week after getting my 24XL I dropped it from 6 feet onto concrete and bent the mount out of shape, it looked like a banana. I sent it back to Rene Rook at Cambo and they had it fixed and back in my hands in about 3 days, for a fee of 200 euros. Fantastic.
So a lot to consider... but something like this is an investment its important not to underpay to get what you want.
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I've seen the new compact version of the camera and I think it looks very good though I didn't get a chance to hold it. It has sufficient movement for current MF backs and lenses. I think only my 72L has a big enough image circle to tax its movements while with the 47 and 35 its well matched.
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I'm surprised that in this age of compact digital P&S and Cell Phone cameras, nobody has yet posted any photos of this new smaller Cambo shift camera. I understand it's called the model RS.
Joe Bossuyt
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Why is the Rodenstock 35mm lens so much cheaper than the Schneider 35mm. Does the Schneider have superior optics?
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From what I've read / heard the Schneider 35xl is much better than the Rodenstock. (I think we might be on a similar quest for wide /shift /tilt camera.
If it's of interest, I'm probably going to go for the Silvestri Flexicam, especially if they confirm they are developing a stitching back for it.
Hope this helps
Jon
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"I've seen the new compact version of the camera and I think it looks very good though I didn't get a chance to hold it. It has sufficient movement for current MF backs and lenses. I think only my 72L has a big enough image circle to tax its movements while with the 47 and 35 its well matched.
For what I see in the photo the Cambo Wide Compact Body doesn't seam to have movements, but there is little information that can be googled so I could be wrong.
This are the specs
Body Dimensions (W x H x D)
* 6.5 x 5.9 x 3.2" (165 x 150 x 82mm) - without lens panel
Weight
* 1.54 lbs (700 g) - without lenspanel
Product Features
The WDC-Hv Wide Compact Body comes complete with [back]interface for use with compatible digital backs. It also comes with a handgrip, cable release, spirit levels, tripod mounting, hooks for a handstrip and accessory shoe. The tripod mount has a 3/8" thread as well as Cambo's quick release profile.
The Wide Compact body accepts the full range of Cambo WDS-Digital lenspanels as for use with the Wide DS, from 24 up to 90 mm focal length. An accessory shoe allows for the use of Cambo's WDS-580 viewfinder or any other applicable viewfinder solution.
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Leonardo,
I think free1000 was referring to the new RS model, which, like the Alpa Max has all movements on the back, and will not take 4x5 film like the WideDS.
Cheers,
Kumar
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I can't find any link to the Cambo RS model, even in the Cambo web site...
Only WDS and WDC
Can you please post a link to the RS model announcement? Thanks
Leonardo,
I think free1000 was referring to the new RS model, which, like the Alpa Max has all movements on the back, and will not take 4x5 film like the WideDS.
Cheers,
Kumar
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I can't find any link to the Cambo RS model, even in the Cambo web site...
Only WDS and WDC
Can you please post a link to the RS model announcement? Thanks
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That's one of the challenges here. The Cambo RS camera has been on demo at some of the shows, but no official annoucement about it has yet been made. I was hoping someone might have grabbed a few quick photos of it, but so far that has not been the case.
Joe Bossuyt
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I wonder when will someone think of making one with a rangefinder and thumb crank (like a Leica). Just make a mechanical COMPUR so that you could mount your expensive glass on it...
like the Bronica -- but made by Sinar or Mamiya -- that would accept a back...
That's one of the challenges here. The Cambo RS camera has been on demo at some of the shows, but no official annoucement about it has yet been made. I was hoping someone might have grabbed a few quick photos of it, but so far that has not been the case.
Joe Bossuyt
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something like this
and the lenses will be like this
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I am not sure if its physically possible, but a dream camera would be Lens - SLR body - Digital back. I am guessing the problem would be lack of space for a mirror. I know Canon use to have a mirror you viewed through that did not move. As I said just a dream.
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I am not sure if its physically possible, but a dream camera would be Lens - SLR body - Digital back. I am guessing the problem would be lack of space for a mirror. I know Canon use to have a mirror you viewed through that did not move. As I said just a dream.
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I think that mirror was called a pellicle mirror- and was for their high speed camera so there was no need to flap a mirror.
I used to love my dumb fuji 6x9's, the Texas Leicas. In a way they are better than my Alpa SWA because of the framing and the focussing in the rangefinder. It made it so much more user friendly and hand holdable.
So what is the deal with this cambo rs (the illusive)? Can't we get some info on it: anyone describe it even? How does it compare to the Alpa?
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I think that mirror was called a pellicle mirror- and was for their high speed camera so there was no need to flap a mirror.
Correct. The first version of the canon was the Pellix SLR. I still have one actually. It has a fixed mirror that you shoot through. It's kind of funny because this camera has a manual film advance! Needless to say, the camera didn't sell for long. Then came the EOS RT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS_RT) in the early 90's. It combined the high-speed motor (10fps) of the Canon 6xx series bodies with the pellicle mirror technology of the Pellix. The result was a fast camera with no mirror slap. This made it very fast, and VERY quiet. The downside was (again) shooting through the mirror. The camera only lasted for a few years. I think they also had a version of it for the EOS 1 as well (EOS1 N RS).
Because of the improved sensitivities of today sensors, maybe it would make sense to revisit this idea?
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So what is the deal with this cambo rs (the illusive)? Can't we get some info on it: anyone describe it even? How does it compare to the Alpa?
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Here are the latest infos with pics:
[a href=\"http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showforum=16]http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showforum=16 (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=184598\")
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This link should get you there:
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=24271 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24271)
Joe