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Site & Board Matters => About This Site => Topic started by: Kenneth Sky on September 06, 2007, 09:29:01 pm
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Michael
God for you. Good for us. So long as the ads don't occupy a lot of real estate and become distracting. We all benefit. More revenue should translate into an even better site. We're all big children and the ad is modest by internet standards.
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Uhhh....pass the bottle man...no ads here
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Ads? Let me see, no, can´t quite see them yet - better get this monitor calibrated properly.
Rob C
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I think the ad is splendid if it adds to the LL coffers... BUT: Please can you have the B&H site open in a new window?
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I think Michael made a great deal. But I'm not so sure if B&H will be happy with the amount of traffic this banner will generate. The design of the home page is such that (speeking for myself) one rarely visits the bottom of the page (where the banner is). I think I did not scroll down all the way to the bottom for at least half a year. And I visit the site almost everyday.
Anyway, I agree with michael that a large retailer such as B&H won't influence the content of the site.
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Good decision. Anything that helps secure the site's future is a positive development.
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm pleased that it's mostly positive. I'll see about changing it to open a new window.
Also, it's my intention to keep the ad small and unobtrusive, but I will experiment with other placements.
Cheers,
Michael
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That's not an ad guys, that's a banner.
This is an ad: http://www.v7n.com/forums/coding-forum/302...-vbulletin.html (http://www.v7n.com/forums/coding-forum/30212-adsense-vbulletin.html)
And yeah - no one is going to notice a small banner at the bottom of your main page, which no one scrolls to more than once
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It would be great if you could put all ads in a subfolder called something like "ads".
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It would be great if you could put all ads in a subfolder called something like "ads".
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that would make it easier for someone to block, thus defeating the purpose of the ad, and reducing his revenues.
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that would make it easier for someone to block, thus defeating the purpose of the ad, and reducing his revenues.
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[a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidkun_Quisling]Precisely[/url]. Well almost - it would make it easier for us readers who would block them anyway, so no effect on revenues, and easier for Michael to administer.
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On the picture framers grumble website, the supporters ad is at the top of the page. On here it could be next to the Invision block.
It would show up on every page and yet be out of the way. I agree with you that it is needed and B&H is the best out there. Alot of us on here already use B&H so going to them thru your site is a plus for sure.
Of course, doing that means I can't get the NAPP discount when going to B&H thru that site. That's ok tho... I'd rather help support this site.
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that would make it easier for someone to block, thus defeating the purpose of the ad, and reducing his revenues.
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Those people who block ads (like me) wouldn't use the ad's service anyway, as they tend to ignore ads. So there's no appreciable loss in revenues, and a (admittedly modest) saving in bandwidth - which I believe is paid by B&H or the ad distributor.
I personally prefer google's text ads, which are unobtrusive and relevant. I quite often click on google search's ads for the latter reason - something I never do with banner ads even when they creep through my ad blocker. For this reason Michael might want to look into that as a potential revenue source as well.
FWIW, I'll make sure to click on that ad before I order from B&H, as that's an easy way to support LL.
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Ads are fine if they're static. Make em bounce, flash, move or otherwise distract, and I'll add the company to my list of desperate losers never to be patronized. Won't do you or them any good. Who needs to do commerce with a company that resorts to such childish and invasive tactics?
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Ads are fine if they're static. Make em bounce, flash, move or otherwise distract, and I'll add the company to my list of desperate losers never to be patronized.
I was going to say exactly that (with strong feelings on the subject!) but Hank beat me to it.
Lisa
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Life is expensive; but also, there´s no free lunch.
Rob C
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No one's saying don't put ads on - just make it easy for some readers to avoid seeing them, and easy for yourself to manage them. If not, we will just waste a bit more time blocking them individually and Michael will spend more valuable time managing them.
Once they're easy to block - sorry manage - I couldn't care less if Michael displayed all sorts of gruesome ads to those who see ads as a price worth paying. See if you are still happy with lunch.
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Of course, doing that means I can't get the NAPP discount when going to B&H thru that site. That's ok tho... I'd rather help support this site.
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I'm a NAPP member also, and my understanding is that we get whatever discounts B&H offers NAPP members regardless of how we get onto the B&H site. Is this incorrect?
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Since the B&H banner is now between the LLVJ banner and the "Visit our store to place your secure order", it's a bit ambiguous as to which store "our store" refers to. It's physically next to the B&H banner. "Vist the LLVJ Store..." might be better wording with the current arrangement. Or move the B&H section to the far right.
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No one's saying don't put ads on - just make it easy for some readers to avoid seeing them, and easy for yourself to manage them. If not, we will just waste a bit more time blocking them individually and Michael will spend more valuable time managing them.
Once they're easy to block - sorry manage - I couldn't care less if Michael displayed all sorts of gruesome ads to those who see ads as a price worth paying. See if you are still happy with lunch.
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John, whether I´m happy with lunch or not, it still has to be paid for on my account or on somebody else´s.
For myself, I navigate very rapidly to What´s New and if nothing is, move right on over to these pages here. Clearly, I wasn´t even aware any ads were running; even if I was, so what - not my website, is it? Kind of presumptuous of any of us to suggest that our host take advice from us on how his site be run...
Ciao - Rob C
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If you don't want to comment, don't. But don't tell me not to.
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For myself, I navigate very rapidly to What´s New and if nothing is, move right on over to these pages here. Clearly, I wasn´t even aware any ads were running; even if I was, so what - not my website, is it? Kind of presumptuous of any of us to suggest that our host take advice from us on how his site be run...
Ciao - Rob C
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My sentiments exactly. No big deal, I bet the majority of visitors or members ever really get to the bottom of the page.
But, if you buy from B&H already, what is the big deal. What I dislike is the newsletters that have floating ads that keep moving like some video game until you disable them.
I spend too much time in front of a computer screen each day so I like the relatively clean look of the LL website.
And, if it improves revenues which in turn allow Michael to offer more content so much the better.
Jay
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Good for you and all of us! I just hope bh had a store down here.
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If you don't want to comment, don't. But don't tell me not to.
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John, didn´t think I had; simply made my own comment on how I saw things.
Frankly, why would I care whether you comment or not? It´s your own ass on display, just as much as mine or that of any other poster - the decision to display or not to display is always our own.
Ciao - Rob C
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I have no problem with the ad - (what ad really.) I will probably never purchase anything from B&H, as I try to keep my retail dollars, such as they are, as local as possible, and at least in my own country.
I wonder if Downtown Camera in Toronto might be interested in posting a small ad, with an added incentive of a small discount? Henry's?
I know that the great majority of visitors to LL are not Canadians, but still ... there is a hard core of us who would be well served by links to domestic retail, and perhaps something like a total 5% discount with 2% going to LL and 3% to the customer - or even 2% to LL and 3% to the Endowment Fund ...
I'm sure you guys at LL have nothing better to do with your time .. just a suggestion.
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Had Michael not pointed it out, I'd have never seen the ad. It could have been there for the past three months for all we know. Michael might need to shorten his pages so we get to see the ads at the bottom.
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Kind of presumptuous of any of us to suggest that our host take advice from us on how his site be run...
If you don't want to comment, don't. But don't tell me not to.
John, didn´t think I had; simply made my own comment on how I saw things.
Then pay greater attention to how you express yourself.
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Then pay greater attention to how you express yourself.
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Or how you interpret things, perchance?
Ciao - Rob C
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I actively like that I can purchase from a retailer I already know, trust and patronize regularly and see a small percentage going to support my favourite site. It's just like using an affinity credit card supporting your alma mater
Btw, I'm sure the same retail acumen which makes B&H such a pleasure to deal with no doubt informed their decision to accept (or propose?) a very small and unobtrusive ad while 'cracking' the exclusive LL medium. It's a good thing all around.
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I actively like that I can purchase from a retailer I already know, trust and patronize regularly and see a small percentage going to support my favourite site. It's just like using an affinity credit card supporting your alma mater
Btw, I'm sure the same retail acumen which makes B&H such a pleasure to deal with no doubt informed their decision to accept (or propose?) a very small and unobtrusive ad while 'cracking' the exclusive LL medium. It's a good thing all around.
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That's my take on it, too.
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Or how you interpret things, perchance?
Ciao - Rob C
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Wouldn't be needed if you expressed yourself clearly.
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OK gentleman. Please give it a rest.
Michael
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Hi,
I have no problem with Michael placing 3rd party ads on his site as long as they are not in "in-your-face" like you see on some other sites.
I do think a better place for it (IMHO) would be between the "Search this site" and the copyright notice in the left column. It would not detract from the content or menus options of the site and might generate more traffic to B&H because it would not be stuck at the bottom. I can't remember the last time I scrolled all the way down to the bottom :-)
Andy
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm pleased that it's mostly positive. I'll see about changing it to open a new window.
Also, it's my intention to keep the ad small and unobtrusive, but I will experiment with other placements.
Cheers,
Michael
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Would it be possible to have a 2 tiered membership: 1. Free with ads and 2. Yearly fee without ads. If the ads require a large footprint, I would prefer to pay a yearly fee and not see the ads.
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James, was someone in your family frightened by an ad man?
Rob C
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James,
Since the ads are trivial in size and frequency I don't see the point of instituting your suggestion.
Michael
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James,
Since the ads are trivial in size and frequency I don't see the point of instituting your suggestion.
Michael
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Personally, I do not see what all the fuss is about. The B&H ads are unobtrusive and support the LL site, which is a valuable resource to photographers. Problems with conflict of interest can arise when the ads are placed by vendors whose products are reviewed on the site. Whether or not such ads might affect editorial content would depend on the integrity of the reviewer and the proportion of the reviewer's revenue that is derived from the ads.
Popular Photography rarely says anything bad about Canon or Nikon products. Many years ago the Zoom-Nikkor 43-86 mm f/3.5 was quite popular (I bought one), but image quality was abysmal (Bjorn gives it a rating of 1 to 1.5, slightly above the use for paper weight category). Pop Photo (or was it Modern Photography, which merged with Pop Photo) simply refused to review the lens.
It seems as if this conflict of interest is especially prominent for US magazines, and some of the French, German, and British publications are more trustworthy. I think most LL users regard Michael as trustworthy. And he is Canadian.
Bill
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It would be a real toss up on who has more of my money, B&H or the casinos in Las Vegas that said I had completely forgot about the ad until this morning and say this thread once again.
I’m scratching my head here trying to figure out what the big deal is here.
don
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There is no big deal...just a few vocal dorks.
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James, was someone in your family frightened by an ad man?
Rob C
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Not frightened, just tired of excessive ads on some sites. Mike answered my questons. My suggestion was proposed only if the ads would required a large amount of site space.
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...... I think most LL users regard Michael as trustworthy. And he is Canadian.
Bill
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Wasn't that Brian Mulroney guy also Canadian? Didn't alot of people trust him at some point too?
I can't help but laugh at this thread. I wonder what would be going through the mind of someone from the B&H advertising department if they were to come upon this thread where many are saying they never even noticed the ads (I didn't).