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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: BlasR on August 30, 2007, 06:21:05 am
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the beta is ready to download.
BlasR
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I'm a registered beta tester and have been to the Phase download site - how do you get this? I have not received any info from them. Thanks...
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I'm a registered beta tester and have been to the Phase download site - how do you get this? I have not received any info from them. Thanks...
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It's under the Downloads Menu/Capture One 4
Read the Release Notes - First. No LCC on Macs.
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Are Sessions gone? Does it want me to Import images into it's Library like Aperture? I see you can simply point to folder elsewhere, but I liked the Session workflow. Keeps everything nice and neat.
Now it seems you have to identify a folder to put your processed images. I liked the sessions because the processed files went right into the Processed folder. If you forget to change it then you have to go track them down somewhere else.
Just a first impression/question. If I'm not seeing this correctly please let me know.
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Some more questions:
Can't seem to control individual RGB colors from the Levels or Curves. You know, pick RED and make adjustments, then pick BLUE, etc.
Checking focus is a bit cumbersome. You have to pick from the Navigator "+" sign the Zoom to 100% option, the it zooms the whole preview. Once zoomed, panning around is easy, like Photoshop. Is there a quick double-click somewhere to zoom in and out?
Is Pattern Noise Suppression no longer an issue? I don't see that, at least not where it used to be. This applies only to view camera use.
I'm not familiar with the Levels sliders at the top of the Histogram. When and why do you use these? I'm happy to see Highlight and Shadow sliders. That will make a lot of people happy.
I processed a few files and compared them to 3.7.7 and they look identical, which is good since those files are right on. I made no levels adjustments and used the color picker from each version to pick the color from a WhiBal in the shot. Although the numbers are different the result is the same.
Is there a way to use a second display for thumbnails?
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My Preview report (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/c1-40.shtml) is now online.
Michael
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I guess the download site is very busy - I'm getting erroe messages when I try to download.
Anyone else having this problem?
~ cole
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I guess the download site is very busy - I'm getting erroe messages when I try to download.
Anyone else having this problem?
~ cole
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Yeh Me too.. getting an error...?
Hope they fix it soon..
Looks a little like Lightroom..:+}
Finally they got rid of the horrible Skin..:+}
Snook
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I guess the download site is very busy - I'm getting erroe messages when I try to download.
Anyone else having this problem?
~ cole
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I downloaded the beta version early toady and got only 22-25kB/s... I guess the servers are overloaded.
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Will some kind and brave soul please confirm that the beta will install OK in Win XP side by side with v3.7.7, leaving the latter entirely intact and operational?
Nill
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I currently am running Beta 4.0 and 3.7.7 PRO side by side with no issues (both WIN XP and MAC)
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Thanks!
Nill
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Well, after testing on my G5 (dual 1,8 1,5Gb Ram) I must say, I feel the program much slower than 3.X. In general the interface and the tools feel slower. I see the "focusing... warning too long) The processing time is about the same.
I also find the interface very dark, too much contrast with white text. If you customize the toolbar to see the text the text is BLACK Sorry but I cant's see a thing... The text in the tools is white and in the toolbar black and everything agains a dark gray background....
Anothe question is the projects. They are gone. Now is like a simple browser. Personally i liked the projects concept a lot...
I dont't know, I like C1 very much but at this point, this beta seems very dissapointing to me. I supose it will be Lightroom.... I know it's a very first impression but...
I'll try on my laptop (macbook pro dual 2,3). We'll see...
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The Mamiya ZD + backs are not listed among the list of supported cameras.
Could anyone try?
Thanks,
Regards,
Bernard
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Am I the only one who just wants to shout "THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES ON!"?
Here's my letter to phaseone after trying out v4:
My honest opinion.. (http://forum.phaseone.com/viewtopic.php?t=3816&sid=21c13b0c41d4e9fb3306a8b32cebaecc)
~a
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My Preview report (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/c1-40.shtml) is now online.
Michael
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TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!!!!!!
Love it!!
Capture One seems like Quark. They were at the top of their game sitting back collecting money. They got slow and got blown away by everyone else.
Ken
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Am I the only one who just wants to shout "THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES ON!"?
Here's my letter to phaseone after trying out v4:
My honest opinion.. (http://forum.phaseone.com/viewtopic.php?t=3816&sid=21c13b0c41d4e9fb3306a8b32cebaecc)
~a
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You mean the Emperor who circulated some sanctimonious garbage recently about how Hasselblad's setting up the H3D as a "closed system" was so damaging to the interests of the "medium format community", and yet never provided any support in its Capture One software for any backs made by Hasselblad, Leaf and Sinar when Capture One was the preeminent raw converter? Gee, I wonder why they could not do that?
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WOW, the beta just made a beautiful 5D conversion which I could not get right with DPP, ACR, etc. no matter how many times I tried!
(before, the highlights looked wonky because they were too hot)
So I guess this beta has already paid for itself :-)
And the colors look gorgeous to me -- way better than ACR. Probably as good as DPP. I'll have to do some more comparisons...
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You mean the Emperor who circulated some sanctimonious garbage recently about how Hasselblad's setting up the H3D as a "closed system" was so damaging to the interests of the "medium format community", and yet never provided any support in its Capture One software for any backs made by Hasselblad, Leaf and Sinar when Capture One was the preeminent raw converter? Gee, I wonder why they could not do that?
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I would have to say that it is probably more the fact that Sinar, Leaf, and Hasselblad refused to give Phase their proprietary information on their raw files more than anything ..... I cannot see any reason that these 3 companies would give Phase their file information.
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At least Phase HAVE released a beta. Not vaporware.
Maybe you guys could wait for the winter to evidence your discontent
Edmund
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Actually, I quite like it. It seems to work for at least a few minutes at a time (no crash yet for me), the HDR controls are neat and the rendering much better than ACR.
Of course there are interface issues. Hopefully we can get these straightened out while moving from the beta to the final version.
It's clear that I'll have to cook up new profiles for V4, but for now I think it will be a decent successor to V3.
Edmund
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Much more color noise in shadows (400iso) in beta than 3.7
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Too little too late? Not sure I agree. Every high end studio I've been in uses C1. For location work, the high dollar guys are all shooting with it too... the only other program I see regularly at that level is hassy's flexcolor, which gets nary a mention around here.
For tethered shooting, fast processing, fast workflow and high quality image output.. C1 does it all. $500 isn't expensive for all of this...
ACR/Lightroom has always uglied up skin tones with weird hard to fix orange/red hues..a big no no...and it doesn't have that hard to describe (creamy? analog?) midtone transition that C1 does that looks so nice.
C4beta looks good. Plenty of bugs to fix, but I like the added exposure functionality and the speed upgrade.
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C1 is too late for what?
Are you all done processing files?
I agree that C1 does a great job with skin tones, unlike ACR and most of the rest I.M.O. I can't wait for the final to arrive more stable, and with the required UI and feature tweaks.
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Anybody know what restriction the beta has?
Is it limited to certain number of Process or does it expire at a certain time?
Thanks for any information. I could not find anything.
Thanks
Snook
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Anybody know what restriction the beta has?
Is it limited to certain number of Process or does it expire at a certain time?
Thanks for any information. I could not find anything.
Thanks
Snook
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I believe it expires on Nov. 1st. No other restrictions, other than it has a few bugs. Perhaps the most annoying is that it resets the Camera profile to Generic at every start. (generic profiles tend to be flat in tone)
Beta 1 after all...
If you haven't used capture one before, I would recommend waiting for a later version, or download the existing 3.7.7 try-out. You'll have better "out of the box" results. I had to tweak many settings from C4beta's rather odd defaults to get desired results.
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Thanks, I have been using C-1 for many years..
Does it screw up any of my 3.7.7 settings if I install or does it install a seperate program all together?
Thanks
Snook
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Thanks, I have been using C-1 for many years..
Does it screw up any of my 3.7.7 settings if I install or does it install a seperate program all together?
Thanks
Snook
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It does not, at least on my Mac. Capture One Pro 3.7.x was installed in its own folder (in the Applications folder) and the new Beta 4 is installed directly into the Applications folder.
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The Mamiya ZD + backs are not listed among the list of supported cameras.
Could anyone try?
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It ignores MEFs from the Mamiya ZD.
It ignores DNGs converted from those MEFs by Adobe's DNG Converter. But ....
If you hex-edit all "Mamiya" in the DNGs to another 6-character string, it will open those DNGs, process them, and output TIFFs (etc) from them that can be opened in Photoshop.
It does not have any specific profiles for the Mamiya ZD, but appears able to use the profile that DNG Converter puts into the DNG.
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It ignores MEFs from the Mamiya ZD.
It ignores DNGs converted from those MEFs by Adobe's DNG Converter. But ....
If you hex-edit all "Mamiya" in the DNGs to another 6-character string, it will open those DNGs, process them, and output TIFFs (etc) from them that can be opened in Photoshop.
It does not have any specific profiles for the Mamiya ZD, but appears able to use the profile that DNG Converter puts into the DNG.
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That is nice to learn Barry. Did you notice anything particular about the quality of those TIFFs coming out of C1? Are they any good?
Henry
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I would have to say that it is probably more the fact that Sinar, Leaf, and Hasselblad refused to give Phase their proprietary information on their raw files more than anything ..... I cannot see any reason that these 3 companies would give Phase their file information.
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Capture One version 4 ignores normal DNGs (eg. created by Adobe's DNG Converter) for the following cameras/backs:
Hasselblad-Imacon H2
Hasselblad-Imacon H2D39
Leaf Aptus 17
Mamiya ZD
But if you hex-edit the makers' names in those DNGs, (Hasselblad > HHHHHHHH; Leaf > LLLL; Mamiya > MMMMMM; or other strings of the right length), they are supported by version 4, although they don't have their own profiles other than the one embedded by Adobe in the DNGs.
As far as I can tell, Phase One had to implement EXTRA code to avoid supporting those cameras via the DNG route!
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That is nice to learn Barry. Did you notice anything particular about the quality of those TIFFs coming out of C1? Are they any good?
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I'm not qualified to say. They looked good to me, (compared with my Pentax K10D!), but I don't use larger-format cameras/backs, and wouldn't spot anything subtle.
(I was initially investigating how well Capture One supported DNG generally, not how well it supported particular cameras. I haven't yet compared it with ACR or Lightroom for my K10D).
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Deeply disappointing. I seem to be in the minority here, but I find the LR/Aperture-style interface abysmal: flat out misconceived and badly designed. Icons too small, insufficient contrast for clear signposting, and wasteful ergonomically. C1 is/used to be a model of clarity and purposefulness.
Apart from the timely abandonment of v3's Byzantine Sessions, this seems to be a downgrade in almost every way. It looks terrible, it's horrible to use and crucially it fails to add the CA and distortion correction tools now present in all its competitors.
The DR tool is a step in the right direction but everything else is bad: it's slower, uglier, not significantly better featured, and generally seems to be doing its best to encourage users to switch to Lightroom or even SilkyPix.
And they've promised no ZD support. This is one upgrade I'll be trying very hard to avoid. Forever.
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And they've promised no ZD support.
Any reason why? Is Phase pissed someone dropped a 36x48mm back for under $10k?
I'm sure it's that the ZD back is just too inferior to support. </sarcasm>
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crucially it fails to add the CA and distortion correction tools now present in all its competitors.
Mark
I've read a posting or two from Phase people,on the Phase User forums,that state that
this beta is from the 'lite' version. Some of the features missing will be present in the
Pro version when it is released some time in the future.
MT
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Mark
I've read a posting or two from Phase people,on the Phase User forums,that state that
this beta is from the 'lite' version. Some of the features missing will be present in the
Pro version when it is released some time in the future.
MT
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That would tick me off, too!
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they clearly say that this Beta is a replacement for Capture One LE.
thats LE - as in the lower priced general use version.
expect the Pro 4.0 to have extra features... some of which they are keeping under wraps at present.
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Does the current LE 4.0 beta have arbitrary rotation?
Nill
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Does the current LE 4.0 beta have arbitrary rotation?
Nill
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YES