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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Rob C on August 26, 2007, 03:28:02 pm
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Nothing to do with graven images, I´m afraid, but just a passing thought: why are there so few ladies making their presence felt here, on the glorious shores of the Luminous Landscape? Is it seen as a male preserve; is it too rude at times or are women just not that interested in photography?
Rob C
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Based on the names that I see on our store database I'd judge that about 20% of readers are women. This matches up with the number of women that attend my workshops and seminars.
Here on the forum I'd guess that most stay behind pseudonyms for reasons of privacy.
Michael
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Hey, I'm here! I've known some women who feel uncomfortable in a predominantly male environment, which this seems to be, and that may discourage many from staying around. Not me, though; I've spent, um, let's say "decades", in heavily male environments (I work in a field where I'm often the only female at a business meeting of twenty or thirty) so I'm well accustomed to it.
Lisa
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I think it's the loud eructation, flatulence, and smelly socks keeping the distaff gender away.
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Nothing to do with graven images, I´m afraid, but just a passing thought: why are there so few ladies making their presence felt here, on the glorious shores of the Luminous Landscape? Is it seen as a male preserve; is it too rude at times or are women just not that interested in photography?
Rob C
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I'm here, I post--and I've been around for quite a number of years. I don't necessarily see it as a male preserve here or other photo forums, but do find some of the threads a bit tendentious and so stay out of the fray LOL.
Diane
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I'm here, I post--and I've been around for quite a number of years. I don't necessarily see it as a male preserve here or other photo forums, but do find some of the threads a bit tendentious and so stay out of the fray LOL.
Diane
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Tendentious....... I like that word
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Right here!
http://images.google.com/images?q=female+posters (http://images.google.com/images?q=female+posters)
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I was going to mention that Mike had left out belching until I looked up the word "eructation."
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They're probably out taking photos rather than hanging around on forums :-)
Graeme
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They're hanging out on the forums devoted to shoes!
OK - I know, sexist........
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Based on the names that I see on our store database I'd judge that about 20% of readers are women.
Names and handles can only tell you so much. The only sure way is a physical examination. But I doubt that you would go that far.
Here on the forum I'd guess that most stay behind pseudonyms for reasons of privacy.
Away from the net, what one says is often instinctively interpreted and influenced by the speaker's name (gender and ethnicity), and age (if face to face). Using a carefully chosen handle on the net removes this problem. I often advise new computer users to take this into consideration when choosing their handles.
In forums such as this one, posters with feminine handles definitely get more (and often unwarranted) attention and kid glove treatment. (Got any statistics to back this claim?) It is understandable that some choose to remain hidden behind pseudonyms. But craftier posters may also use feminine/unisex handles to their advantage.
Some sites only accept postings from those registered with "real names". I find this practice naive and inconsiderate.
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In forums such as this one, posters with feminine handles definitely get more (and often unwarranted) attention and kid glove treatment. (Got any statistics to back this claim?) It is understandable that some choose to remain hidden behind pseudonyms. But craftier posters may also use feminine/unisex handles to their advantage.
Some sites only accept postings from those registered with "real names". I find this practice naive and inconsiderate.
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In reality, I use my real name a lot on other boards/forums. I chose my 'handle' pre WWW--on old boards, and just really use it out of habit. I understand women choosing unisex handles--it flattens the field a bit.
Diane
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I find the ´sexist´ idea and the need to hide identity a little strange, but not surprising.
Okay, I´m from the very old school of thought where one holds doors open for ladies in shops, restaurants, or other such places where there might be a rush to enter or exit a building. This is not meant to demonstrate superior male strength - I doubt I have much of any of that left on any scale - but simply a reflex action based on courtesy, which I find no bad thing.
I left the UK in ´81 and at that time politeness was still held to be the way to go. However, it seems that after that date, things changed to a point where if one did hold a door for a woman she might just as easily be offended and give one a mouthful of abuse. Why so?
This change is very sad, in my opinion, as it seems to represent a warped idea of equality. I have never felt women to be an inferior gender - in many ways they are far ahead of the male, whose only advantage seems to be that of brute strength. Perhaps I mentioned this here before, so forgive me if I did, but I had a little incident based on this doorway dilemma here in Sapin some weeks ago. I was coming out of a newsagents as a lady tried to enter it; I stepped aside to let her pass and she remarked ´un caballero!´ and went on her merry way. I remarked to the shopkeeper that there didn´t seem to be many around any more and she laughed and said no. The next week, getting the paper, I mentioned the incident to the girl at the counter and told her that in Britain it was now discouraged as being anti-woman to show courtesy, that women were offended by it. She told me that yes, some did say that, even in Spain, but the reality was that they all liked it.
Was she right? Is it all some stupid corruption from some of our over-educated sisters? My wife thinks they are all nuts: why throw away any advantage you might hold?
Rob C
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Rob, *any* culture can have rude people, some more than others, and the fraction unfortunately seems to have been increasing over time in the places I've seen. I personally still appreciate having someone hold a door open for me; conversely, if I'm in a position to make someone's life a little bit easier by holding a door open for them, whether male or female, I'm happy to do so. Courtesy can go both ways!
The only major failure I've seen is the elevator problem. In the more old-fashioned parts of the U.S., a group of men will usually wait for me to be the first to enter an elevator; but, when the elevator gets to its destination, they will also wait for me to be the first to exit, despite the fact that they are between me (in the back, since I got on first) and the door. Much traffic congestion! That makes me knash my teeth; I want to say, "Would you just get out already!!!", but am too polite to do so.
Unfortunately, in times of rapidly changing social customs, one finds oneself in an intermediate stage where different people are following different sets of customs, and many aren't sure which customs are going to take hold in the end, and then people get surprised when misunderstandings occur.
Lisa
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I find that revolving doors pose a dilemma. I seem to have an urge to let others through first, out of politeness, but realize that this may mean that they are forced to make the exertion to start the doors rotating, a task that's sometimes not easy to do. So, am I doing them a favour by letting them go first or causing them grief?
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I'm here from time to time under my real name when work permits me to spend spare time online. I have no idea why so few females. But it's similar in my other online photo-related haunts too.
I am not easily offended (by bluntness or virtual bodily functions) - but sometimes the apparently pointless clashing of male egos does get tedious. But if there were more female posters, perhaps there would be more big female egos battling it out? Or would we all be bitching in the toilets?
PS I only have 4 pairs of shoes and some wellies, so perhaps I don't count as a real woman.
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I'm here from time to time under my real name when work permits me to spend spare time online. I have no idea why so few females. But it's similar in my other online photo-related haunts too.
I am not easily offended (by bluntness or virtual bodily functions) - but sometimes the apparently pointless clashing of male egos does get tedious. But if there were more female posters, perhaps there would be more big female egos battling it out? Or would we all be bitching in the toilets?
PS I only have 4 pairs of shoes and some wellies, so perhaps I don't count as a real woman.
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But Lois, are they green wellies?
Rob C
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The male ego. Yes, it can be a bit of a drag at times. In fact, there is a great weight of opinion that postulates the notion that machismo is one of the most destructive things we face in our - anyone´s - society. I´m not sure if machismo quite equates with ego, but I´m sure our old pal testosterone is hiding around in there somewhere, creating much more bother than it´s worth.
Perhaps the internet has some responsibility to bear on this occasion: the shrinking violet can face out the gorilla and such unreal licence makes many arguments happen that would otherwise not last more than a sentence or two.
However, there is something rather nice about being able to exchange views with people that one has never met; it is not difficult to grasp which are worth answering and which to ignore, even though temptation to do battle with the mentally lame is not always easy to avoid, though shame at taking on a lesser adversary might solve that one on most occasions.
Perhaps that´s really why few women get too involved in such exchanges....
Rob C
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But Lois, are they green wellies?[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=136032\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Yes - but the cheap green ones from the farmer's shop, not Hunters! I actually prefer the black Argyll ones for comfort - but cashflow doesn't always allow the extravagance. (You can tell I'm a country girl, can't you?)
At least they aren't pink flowery ones - frightens the wildlife!
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OK, I'll bite. What are wellies?
Yes - but the cheap green ones from the farmer's shop, not Hunters! I actually prefer the black Argyll ones for comfort - but cashflow doesn't always allow the extravagance. (You can tell I'm a country girl, can't you?)
At least they aren't pink flowery ones - frightens the wildlife!
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OK, I'll bite. What are wellies?
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They are the British equivalent of knee high rubber gardening boots-traditionally green. In truth, you can buy Wellies here (US) too, but over years of gardening in red clay in the SE, I found black rubber boots worn by dairy men worked about as well (bought at places like Southern State, a feed and agriculture store usually in more rural areas)--not with the status of the Wellies LOL--but they functioned okay.
[a href=\"http://www.wellie-boots.com/usmofcart/leisure.html]http://www.wellie-boots.com/usmofcart/leisure.html[/url]
Diane
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They are the British equivalent of knee high rubber gardening boots-traditionally green. In truth, you can buy Wellies here (US) too, but over years of gardening in red clay in the SE, I found black rubber boots worn by dairy men worked about as well (bought at places like Southern State, a feed and agriculture store usually in more rural areas)--not with the status of the Wellies LOL--but they functioned okay.
http://www.wellie-boots.com/usmofcart/leisure.html (http://www.wellie-boots.com/usmofcart/leisure.html)
Diane
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Just goes to show, Diane, that roots go deep...
Rob C
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I find that revolving doors pose a dilemma. I seem to have an urge to let others through first, out of politeness, but realize that this may mean that they are forced to make the exertion to start the doors rotating, a task that's sometimes not easy to do. So, am I doing them a favour by letting them go first or causing them grief?
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Having seen this question asked before, I offer the following answer (which isn't mine). Allow someone else to go on first, but if the revolving door isn't flsuh to the openning, give the door a push to ease the burden.
Personally I think that it's a bit much. I lead through when the opportunity presents itself and provide enough momentum to make like easy for those behind me (without trying to get the door revolving at ridiculous rates).
--dilip
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Having seen this question asked before, I offer the following answer (which isn't mine). Allow someone else to go on first, but if the revolving door isn't flsuh to the openning, give the door a push to ease the burden.
Personally I think that it's a bit much. I lead through when the opportunity presents itself and provide enough momentum to make like easy for those behind me (without trying to get the door revolving at ridiculous rates).
--dilip
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In an attempt to stop this thread collapsing into bathos, may I suggest one use sliding doors instead?
Rob C
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Thanks. You guys across the pond talk funny...
They are the British equivalent of knee high rubber gardening boots-traditionally green. In truth, you can buy Wellies here (US) too, but over years of gardening in red clay in the SE, I found black rubber boots worn by dairy men worked about as well (bought at places like Southern State, a feed and agriculture store usually in more rural areas)--not with the status of the Wellies LOL--but they functioned okay.
http://www.wellie-boots.com/usmofcart/leisure.html (http://www.wellie-boots.com/usmofcart/leisure.html)
Diane
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There's a history to why they're called 'wellies' - the boot originated from a style created by Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, being hard-wearing in battle yet comfortable for evening wear. They're called 'Wellington Boots' to this day, often abbreviated to 'wellies'. Don't get me started on BRITS talking funny...
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Wellies are a type of boot. Short for Wellington's. Oops! Missed page two!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_boot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_boot)
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Wellies are a type of boot. Short for Wellington's. Oops! Missed page two!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_boot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_boot)
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Even better than the originals, they´re made of rubber and, had they been available to the good duke, might have kept his feet dry. But they sure give small boys rashes across the back of the calf..
Rob C
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"why are there so few ladies making their presence felt here"
I think you'll find this is a male dominated field of endeavour and that on some sites, not LL that I am aware of, they get a bit of a pace from the GOM (grumpy old men) on some similar sites. Maybe they do spend more time taking photographs and caring for the domestic arrangements for their families.
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They're hanging out on the forums devoted to shoes!
When I saw your name I thought you may be a real woman with a clever nome du plume, Steelbird? Now I'm convinced, a man would never have thought of the above, and they are not sexist are they? Lol
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They're hanging out on the forums devoted to shoes!
When I saw your name I thought you may be a real woman with a clever nome du plume, Steelbird? Now I'm convinced, a man would never have thought of the above, and they are not sexist are they? Lol
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As almost always happens when I get into conversatios with women, I end up confused and hopelessly lost.
Reminds me of the death of Diana, PoW - they say her Mercedes was sent flying into a tunnel wall by a Fiat Panda. It may never have dared show itself in the USof A, the Panda, but it is really really small, as in tiny; actually, it´s made of folded paper. My point, unless I´ve lost it again, is that the physics/dynamics of that particular conspiracy theory are impossible: it would have been the Panda mixed up with the cement. Much more likely is that, IF there was anything more to the event than accident, the target wasn´t the dear lady at all: think of the other VIP passenger and it is easy to see that all manner of fundamentalist activist could have found cause to strike. And poor old Paris has more than its fair share.
Rob C
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My women friends who are photographers have summed it up in a couple thoughts:
1. These photography forums are filled with men who are prima donnas, spelling nazis, wise a$$es$, flamers, trolls and other generally machismo types who hide behind the internet.
2. Women are more into the art of photography rather than the technical geekery we men seem to dive into the minusha over.
3. They'd rather be taking pictures. Men like to one up each other on these forums.
Regards, Art.
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My women friends who are photographers have summed it up in a couple thoughts:
1. These photography forums are filled with men who are prima donnas, spelling nazis, wise a$$es$, flamers, trolls and other generally machismo types who hide behind the internet.
2. Women are more into the art of photography rather than the technical geekery we men seem to dive into the minusha over.
3. They'd rather be taking pictures. Men like to one up each other on these forums.
Regards, Art.
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You´re lady friends are probably right: machismo is one of the saddest and most dangerous manifestations of male ego. I can´t think of anything that´s been made better because of it - we only get wars, bar-fights, sarcasm and general bullshit coming from it.
On the other hand, there is the definite advantage of the sporting outlet: it allows the TV channels to provide a constant diet of rubbish for the man-about-the-house who can lie on his couch, bottle in one hand and whatever else you might fear in the other, as he yells advice to those who cannot hear him, who despise him for his poverty as they cash his fan-cheques.
Tell me, have you seen anything more strange than a fully-grown man walking the street in a football club outfit? I have: a complete family of them at one time - granpa, son and grand-son, all in the full regalia complete with funny hats...
I really have to wonder what happens to make some men go that way. Perhaps nothing; perhaps some are born like that.
Rob C
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...dive into the minusha over... [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138251\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Ah - just got it. Been wondering what a minusha was - Wikipedia didn't have it. Minutia
Goering the Speller
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Rob, being a Scouser by birth and upbringing (escaped three decades ago) I know exactly what you mean. As a minor point for the defence though, the shell suit / sports attire from the discount shops is often the only affordable clothing for those in low income groups. However, when I see evidently more affluent people wearing the stuff it makes me cringe and worry for my daughter's future.
Peter
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Rob, being a Scouser by birth and upbringing (escaped three decades ago) I know exactly what you mean. As a minor point for the defence though, the shell suit / sports attire from the discount shops is often the only affordable clothing for those in low income groups. However, when I see evidently more affluent people wearing the stuff it makes me cringe and worry for my daughter's future.
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Hi Peter
And I worry about that of two grand-daughters!
I´m not very sure about the football stuff being inexpensive - I have a feeling those teams screw their fan-base for all it´s worth. The particularl lot I referred to are Liverpool suppporters: bright red from top to toe - some sight, particularly when you include the ridiculous hats! Guess such sights are something you never missed. lo these three decades!
Ciao - Rob C
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The official kits and merchandise are expensive, but there are loads of cheap 'sportswear' shops all over places like Liverpool where you can equip the whole chav family in matching shell suits for just a few quid.
I don't miss Liverpool at all - if it wasn't for the inexplicable fact that my mother refuses to leave there I'd never set foot in the midden again!
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Ah - just got it. Been wondering what a minusha was - Wikipedia didn't have it. Minutia
Goering the Speller
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If we're going to be really fascistic about it, it's minutiae, since it's plural.
Jeremy
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On re-reading I believe the original intent was indeed plural, so you are right, I stand corrected my fellow nazi Though I would argue that a preference for for use of language as for like what it was intended is not really deserving of comparison with an organised movement of socioeconomic control and suppression of opposition through intimidation and censorship.
Note position of tongue throughout here...
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On re-reading I believe the original intent was indeed plural, so you are right, I stand corrected my fellow nazi Though I would argue that a preference for for use of language as for like what it was intended is not really deserving of comparison with an organised movement of socioeconomic control and suppression of opposition through intimidation and censorship.
Note position of tongue throughout here...
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Peter, you are in grave danger of distancing more distaff members by such doubious references to your tongue.
Rob C
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Are we making progress? Three pages and no mention of photography yet. Must be getting close, but don't rush it.
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Are we making progress? Three pages and no mention of photography yet. Must be getting close, but don't rush it.
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Ray, Rome wasn´t built in a day!
Ciao - Rob C
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Are we making progress? Three pages and no mention of photography yet. Must be getting close, but don't rush it.
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Don't hold your breathe. It proves (?!) that given two topics, men are more interested in talking about women (and thier shoes) than about photography (or anything else, except perhaps football).
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"the need to hide identity a little strange, but not surprising"
I have had the dreaded unsolicited e-mails from countries far away and I attributed this to my online identity. It was 'orrible. I can fully understand anyone wanting to avoid situations like this.
"if one did hold a door for a woman she might just as easily be offended and give one a mouthful"
In my town 70,000 strong, everyone hold doors open for everyone else. If you are going through the door and someone is less then 15m you just wait and hand the door over. Old people, young people, men, women no matter! Everyone does it. This way we know who's new in town or just visiting. I personally am very proud of this tradition in a world increasing bad manners. Jennifer
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What was this thread about? Females, photography and posting on boards like this?
Who cares about gender when it comes to photography? What do you expect, Rob?
Small hands on a Nikon D3 (far too heavy and too large for us - considering our fragile frames and limited reach), the female perspective on landscape (we like a little more pink in the highlights, please no rough edges and do include a baby animal appearing to be lost) or posts of bewildered questions like 'Why RAW when MEDIUM would do just fine'?
Rob, we take snapshots with our cell-phones from the kitchen window after we are done with all the cleaning. Well, and then we are just too exhausted to post. :-))
Angela
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Dear me, Angela, you sound as if you have a pretty drastic time of it, quite unlike the s´n´s style which I thought was the new order!
Jokes aside, I think that the reason might be more to do with women using their artistic skills in far more practical directions. I fancy myself as having pretty good colour vision, but I think my wife´s is superior; I have few outlets for visual creativity other than photography - women can exercise theirs in the home or even in the office, given the chance, turning cubes into rooms.
Perhaps it´s to do with spare time, as has been suggested, but then how do you account for Sarah Moon, who moved seamlessly from modelling to photography and went on to become one of the most imitated stars in that firmament; Diane Arbus, flawed as hell in my opinion, but prolific nonetheless?
I guess that in the end it´s mostly to do with compulsion (inner) and the choices perhaps really being greater for men, but that would perhaps have once applied mostly in the professional field and I´d imagine that the LuLa is mainly an amateur´s heaven, not that that is meant to be any sort of derogatory remark, believe me, I´ve long abandoned the notion that all pros are better than all amateurs! But that´s more something to do with women being professional photographers or not, and not really part of the original question of why they seem to post less.
One of life´s other great mysteries!
Ciao - Rob C
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why are there so few ladies making their presence felt here, on the glorious shores of the Luminous Landscape? Is it seen as a male preserve; is it too rude at times or are women just not that interested in photography?
Not enough options here, Rob.
I am photographer, a woman, and I post occasionally. I don't always sign my name, mainly because I don't want to emphasize gender. It is a distraction to some people who post here, and in identifying gender one runs the risk of threads going off topic and consequently being diluted by nonsense. No mystery there!
Gloria
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Not enough options here, Rob.
I am photographer, a woman, and I post occasionally. I don't always sign my name, mainly because I don't want to emphasize gender. It is a distraction to some people who post here, and in identifying gender one runs the risk of threads going off topic and consequently being diluted by nonsense. No mystery there!
Gloria
www.smallmysteries.com
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I take your point, Gloria, but at the same time I wonder why gender should be assumed to derail topics; it might well happen, but as I have no way of knowing where any thread MIGHT have gone, gender identification is still something of an unknown factor in respect of how it might affect something on a relatively serious site such as this one.
I have sympathy with those who feel that identification might open the door to unwanted communication from unknown people; perhaps that´s all that one needs to know, really, and we should all seek the protection of an aka! Yet, I have a feeling that posts written under a disguise are perhaps less valid in respect of content than those where the writer feels able to name his name - but yes, in the end, it´s better for people to use fake IDs than not post at all!
Ciao - Rob C
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I've always thought it a reasonable proposition that women are just as capable as men in left brain activities, although the percentages may be different and cultural influences no doubt contribute to this.
People tend to be assigned gender specific roles that sometimes (perhaps often) may conflict with the individual's true talents.
Nevertheless, I have to say that when reading comments on other forums that are not about photography, and which have a 'female' section, the conversation tends to centre around hair removal, shopping, shoes, and how to entrap the perfect man.
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Well don´t keep all this information to yourself, Ray, tell us where these delightful sites might be!
Come to think of it, perhaps my own concerns aren´t a hundred miles away from that: worried about hair loss; desperate to find new ways to avoid shopping; never found myself the obvious target of entrapment - perhaps it was just too subtle for me to realise!
Oh well, c´est la vie...
Rob C
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Angela "after we are done with all the cleaning" too exhausted to post......
I make it a habit of doing housework / cleaning after I have done my day of shooting. The light and the images don't wait. Housework can be done when the sun goes down. In my house its shared 50/50 anyway.
I don't post that much I suppose because in the evenings I do my digital post production routine, grapple with The DAM Book and other routines connected to good digital housekeeping. I then try to keyword and sort images out in the hope I can dispatch them to a stock site.
Perhaps there are more men with cameras than women in the first instance and this is why there ar less female posters. Here's a suggestion for all you guys concerned with this.....buy your wives, girlfriends, mothers and sisters cameras and point them in the direction of LL.
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Ray "
"I've always thought it a reasonable proposition that women are just as capable as men in left brain activities, although the percentages may be different and cultural influences"
Women are just as capable as men when it comes to photography. I believe that as a woman.
I don't feel any different to any male poster or photographer about my passion for photography.
Women can be technologically adept and adventurous too when it comes to the computer side of digital photography. I think that the reason women lag behind men is due to the way the household finances are split. Men perhaps make their hobbies and interests a priority for their lives where women are perhaps using their portion on children because of their more altruistic nature.
As a woman I am proud to say I don't lag behing in technology. My computers and software are all supported by myself and my able partner at home. It is about eighteen years now that I have not called for outside help for my computers.
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As a woman I am proud to say I don't lag behing in technology. My computers and software are all supported by myself and my able partner at home. It is about eighteen years now that I have not called for outside help for my computers.
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Well done! I never doubted it for a moment.
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Some of this discussion reminds me of my experience teaching a college math course back in the '70s. Back then, it was "common knowledge" that men were better at math (and anything technical) than women. But in my classes typically some of the men were noisy and boisterous (aggressively asserting their "top dog" status), when there were typically a few women who sat quietly, keeping their mouths shut.
But when it came to exam time, the best women consistently outperformed the best men. It was interesting to me to watch this quiet cultural revolution taking place.
Perhaps some of the men today spend a lot of time pontificating on the LL forum while the women are out photographing.
Gotta go; my camera is calling . . .
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Well...being British and female I can answer both questions.
Wellies are Wellington Boots - rubber rain boot
There are plenty of females on the boards...most choose unisex handles - some purposely some coincidentally
Mine is my website
AZ I C IT
(Arizona - as I see it)
OK, I'll bite. What are wellies?
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Well...being British and female I can answer both questions.
Wellies are Wellington Boots - rubber rain boot
There are plenty of females on the boards...most choose unisex handles - some purposely some coincidentally
Mine is my website
AZ I C IT
(Arizona - as I see it)
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Love your website - great pics - added you to my Favourites list.
Ciao - Rob C
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Love your website - great pics - added you to my Favourites list.
Ciao - Rob C
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They're hanging out on the forums devoted to shoes!
When I saw your name I thought you may be a real woman with a clever nome du plume, Steelbird? Now I'm convinced, a man would never have thought of the above, and they are not sexist are they? Lol
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If I understand correctly, "Steelbird" is probably Italian, and certainly a man.
Fabrizio
PS Hint: "bird" in Italian has got a different meaning than in English. Guess which...
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I just found this thread today...lots to read and very interesting.
when i was in college studing fine art/photog, about 1.5 hours from Wash DC, the photo classes were small...and mostly female...roughly 8 women and 2 or 3 men. was like that at the 4 year school and the community college before it. Always found that interesting.
I'm a fine art photog and digital do-er and in my day to day the men seem to get more attention with regards to being serious photogs or technically savvy. Often I am in disscussions with only men. Having said that however, at the art center to which i belong, the women are the majority, as in the co-op photo gallery of which im a memeber.
I typically post when looking to problem solve... so if the women dont post could one assume that its because they are doing just fine technically?
Do men post more questions or answers? Opinions or requests for opinions?
The topic is interesting because for years looking through Photo Tech Mag I always looked to see how many letters to the editor and Q&A's written by women were published...very few in comparison. How many womens names show up in the photoshop splash screen?
so maybe women seek as many answers but do it more personally, face to face, over the phone looking to people in their immediate surroundings or within their groups...?
Ive heard that women actually have more color receptors in their eyes than do men ...making it possible for women to perceive and distinquish more colors and slight variations in color...
Min
(male or female name?)
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Personally, I can't say I've looked too much into photography on a sex basis... I've noticed more men in it, but have also noticed off hand that a lot of women don't really spend as long over a life in the industry. more men are old in it, and more women are young in it. Different perspectives....
As for the door debate, I offer this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_td1X_c5Gg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_td1X_c5Gg)
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I've always thought it a reasonable proposition that women are just as capable as men in left brain activities, although the percentages may be different and cultural influences no doubt contribute to this.[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=139577\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Photography is a whole brain activity, which is why women and men enjoy it. Photography requires artistic and technical skills, and frequently requires people skills (less so for landscapes). In any case, left-brain and right-brain differences and attributes are grossly exaggerated by the media and are almost always a waste of time to consider.
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I think this thread below (one of only a few though) illustrates why sometimes I don't post...one never knows where the thread will meander when male egos are involved.
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....pic=20367&st=80 (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20367&st=80)
For me increased family committments and developing technological expertise is the limiting factor.
Julie
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Photography is a whole brain activity, which is why women and men enjoy it. Photography requires artistic and technical skills, and frequently requires people skills (less so for landscapes). In any case, left-brain and right-brain differences and attributes are grossly exaggerated by the media and are almost always a waste of time to consider.
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Everything is exaggerated in the media to make it interesting and readable.
However, the left/right brain divide is a real phenomenon and hardly a waste of time to consider. There are lots of interesting, although tragic, examples of how peoples' perceptions are altered when one side of the brain is damaged.
But I agree that photography can be a whole brain activity, perhaps should be a whole brain activity. However, the continual fascination with and argumentation about camera performance and image resolution seems to be primarily a male activity on forums like this, and I would say left-brain oriented.
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I don´t know if the tech preoccupation is more prevalent with "advanced" amateurs than with professionals, but most of the pros I knew when I was still very busy didn´t talk much about technique or anything much else of that ilk; the chat - if ever we trusted one another enough to exchange more than guarded words - was about clients, who wasn´t paying well or quickly, who messed you about etc.
Guess time was too expensive to spend talking tech - also, there wasn´t much internet about to distract one...
Rob C
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I don´t know if the tech preoccupation is more prevalent with "advanced" amateurs than with professionals, but most of the pros I knew when I was still very busy didn´t talk much about technique or anything much else of that ilk; the chat - if ever we trusted one another enough to exchange more than guarded words - was about clients, who wasn´t paying well or quickly, who messed you about etc.
Guess time was too expensive to spend talking tech - also, there wasn´t much internet about to distract one...
Rob C
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Is a client paying well or quickly?...... Yes, I guess that could be left brain activity .