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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 08, 2007, 10:02:02 am
To all Sinarback Users,

The latest Captureshop Version 5.5 can be downloaded from our webpage (www.sinarcameras.com) under "Downloads" ---> "Software"

Best regards,
Thierry
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 08, 2007, 11:06:37 am
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To all Sinarback Users,

The latest Captureshop Version 5.5 can be downloaded from our webpage (www.sinarcameras.com) under "Downloads" ---> "Software"

Best regards,
Thierry
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So I havnt RTFM

Opened up.

Prompted for camera H1/2 greyed out !

camera is connected with FW cant 'download images from internal memory' greyed out

Wats up !

Does it work with Eylike Emotion 22 ??

SMM
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: David WM on August 08, 2007, 10:13:27 pm
It  works well, I thought I had a problem when it caught me out in that the internal storage images were not automatically selected when downloading from internal storage, need to click "select all" now, which is how you'd expect it to operate anyway.
It is a lot quicker and more responsive than 5.4.2 on my old G5 dual1.8.
David
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 09, 2007, 12:37:21 am
Dear Sam,

when using an eMotion back, you have to set the camera to "eMotion Generic Camera" in the Hardware Settings from Captureshop, NOT H1/H2!

Best regards,
Thierry

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So I havnt RTFM

Opened up.

Prompted for camera H1/2 greyed out !

camera is connected with FW cant 'download images from internal memory' greyed out

Wats up !

Does it work with Eylike Emotion 22 ??

SMM
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: JerryReed on August 09, 2007, 07:25:03 am
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To all Sinarback Users,

The latest Captureshop Version 5.5 can be downloaded from our webpage (www.sinarcameras.com) under "Downloads" ---> "Software"

Best regards,
Thierry
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Thierry:

What are the features of the software update?  It seems that we might be getting quite close to the release of eXposure, yes?  How will they differ?

I use the 54 H to photograph art.

Jerry
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: ziviani on August 09, 2007, 10:11:23 am
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To all Sinarback Users,

The latest Captureshop Version 5.5 can be downloaded from our webpage (www.sinarcameras.com) under "Downloads" ---> "Software"

Best regards,
Thierry
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 10, 2007, 09:01:22 pm
Sam,

did you try out my tip to solve your probem (select "eMotion Generic Camera" in the camera settings)?

Please come back to me.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry

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So I havnt RTFM

Opened up.

Prompted for camera H1/2 greyed out !

camera is connected with FW cant 'download images from internal memory' greyed out

Wats up !

Does it work with Eylike Emotion 22 ??

SMM
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 11, 2007, 12:12:33 am
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Sam,

did you try out my tip to solve your probem (select "eMotion Generic Camera" in the camera settings)?

Please come back to me.

Thanks and best regards,
Thierry
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Well I managed to download images using C 5.22 and then play with them in 5.5 - no luck actually downloading in 5.5

I am not seeing the saturation or exposure compensation facilities in the controls>process tab

Aditionally it is stressing out my little laptop to 'unusable' unlike the eyelike or brumbayer/CS2 (changes take place way too slow)

I love the way you can make the curves box really big - very accurate to adjust - but only RGB

Tho colour balance 'wheel' is way too small and not adjustable using numeric values either

Therefore subtle changes in colour are hard/impossible to dial in IMO

This makes it currently unusable to me - which is a concern considering i should get my 54LV next week

Another plus in Cshop v Emotion software are the scaleable previews so you can work on a large image (if you had the computer power)

Another issue is that cancelling after clicking on an image to open is stalls the operation and forces me to force quit the app

Sorry but it is currently no good for me on my tinky machine
(my office machines are all PC)

nb I have been extremely busy this week so testing has been pretty hurried

S
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 11, 2007, 05:56:05 am
Dear Sam,

You must be doing something the wrong way, or not having the current eMotion firmware loaded: it needs at least firmware 4.45. Please check and let me know.

then:

- Kindly read the "Read Me" file provided with the installer: among others, it is said that it needs OSX 4.9. or higher.

- The "Saturation" & "Exposure Compensation" are obviously not activated: "CONTROL" + "CLICK" in the "Process" panel to get the "Pull-Down" menu and select the plugins you wish to have displayed (or not): all the plugins can be activated or disactivated this way.

- Which Mac system/configuration are you using? Incidentatlly: PM me a "System Profile" of your computer ---> open "Profiler Maker" from your Apple Menu and save this file as "XML" file and send it to me or our tech. CS 5.5 does not slow down (should not) the process compared with CS 5.4 and previous versions.

- You CAN get the RGB values in the "Tone Curve" by clicking the "ctrl" key at the same time you check the "Info" values with your eyedroper in the image.

- "Grey Balance": the values set can be saved: go to left corner pull-down menu of the plugin and save it. Actually all plugins settings can be set this way and re-applied at wish and on the images aelected.

- What do you mean with "my office machines are all PC"?: pls. send me details about your computer configuration (See above): CS 5.5 is stable and you might have to trash the old "Preferences" and re-start the computer (don't forget to "Empty" the trash. The CS Preferences can be found in "Home" ---> "Library" ---> "Preferences".

- Finally, and to help you further, you can use the "Help" files delivered with CS. Go to the CS Menu ---> "Help": these contain all necessary information.

I hope this helps.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Well I managed to download images using C 5.22 and then play with them in 5.5 - no luck actually downloading in 5.5

I am not seeing the saturation or exposure compensation facilities in the controls>process tab

Aditionally it is stressing out my little laptop to 'unusable' unlike the eyelike or brumbayer/CS2 (changes take place way too slow)

I love the way you can make the curves box really big - very accurate to adjust - but only RGB

Tho colour balance 'wheel' is way too small and not adjustable using numeric values either

Therefore subtle changes in colour are hard/impossible to dial in IMO

This makes it currently unusable to me - which is a concern considering i should get my 54LV next week

Another plus in Cshop v Emotion software are the scaleable previews so you can work on a large image (if you had the computer power)

Another issue is that cancelling after clicking on an image to open is stalls the operation and forces me to force quit the app

Sorry but it is currently no good for me on my tinky machine
(my office machines are all PC)

nb I have been extremely busy this week so testing has been pretty hurried

S
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Murray Fredericks on August 12, 2007, 08:05:49 am
Hi Thierry,

I am now using Brumbaer for the highlight recovery feature. i was wondering if that has been incorporated into this release?

Murray
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 12, 2007, 09:04:19 am
Dear Murray,

No, this will be integrated in Exposure.
As an information: the "Read Me" file coming with the CS 5.5 installer gives all details about the details of this version.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Hi Thierry,

I am now using Brumbaer for the highlight recovery feature. i was wondering if that has been incorporated into this release?

Murray
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: PdF on August 12, 2007, 09:15:50 am
Thank you for the information , Thierry. I've allways introduced CS 5.5 in my Macs, and everythink works well !

Je suis cependant toujours désolé de constater qu'avec une Sinarcam 2, la vitesse maximum autorisée est toujours le 1/8 de seconde, alors qu'on était au 1/30 voici quelques années avec le CaptureShop 3.

Cela trouvera-t-il enfin une réponse avec le tant attendu CS 7 ?

(Sorry for my french language, most comprehensive for your best friend Thierry Sinar).

PdF
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: fpoole on August 12, 2007, 11:09:46 am
Theirry,

5.5 gives a huge improvement in speed and stability over previous version.  I am only using it on a MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo [10.4.10] right now with a Sinarback 54H.  I would say that time to open files has been cut almost in half.  I don't test with a stopwatch but the program overall  seems snappier.  
I would highly recommend it to anyone who is hesitant.  
I have yet to load it on my desktop. When I do I will give you a report.

Best,

Frank Poole
www.frankpoole.com
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 12, 2007, 04:57:28 pm
Quote from: thsinar,Aug 11 2007, 09:56 AM

IT NOW WORKS FOR ME

You must be doing something the wrong way, or not having the current eMotion firmware loaded: it needs at least firmware 4.45. Please check and let me know.

DID THAT (was on V2!)

OSX 4.9. or higher yes

- The "Saturation" & "Exposure Compensation" are obviously not activated: "CONTROL" + "CLICK" in the "Process" panel to get the "Pull-Down" menu and select the plugins you wish to have displayed (or not): all the plugins can be activated or disactivated this way.

Nothing is obvious! - why should one choose to 'right click' over blankness to find a facility !


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Any way

I like (vs Eyelike software)

option for large previews

The massive levels box

I dont like

(I have one slow laptop and fast desktop PCs)

It is slower to feed changes through to the preview image

No subtle colour controls that I can find

The colour wheel is way too sensitive and cannot be programmed numerically ??

No curves adjustment of individual colour channels ??

No fast export to HTML contact sheet ??

SMM
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: BJNY on August 12, 2007, 06:41:12 pm
Thierry,
After your vacation, would you respond what the cause of the eXposure software delay is.  I heard + read it would be available in Spring 2007, and now you're stating early 2008 (if no further slippage).  Why was "Spring 2007" ever mentioned if a total rewrite was known will take much longer?
Very un-Swiss and un-German behavior.  I'd be very "frustrated" had I purchased an eMotion digital back in late 2006, and being told eXposure software was right around the corner.
Billy
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 12, 2007, 08:20:13 pm
Sorry Sam, I meant "obviously" for myself, when you said that the Exposure Compensation and Saturation plugins had disappeared.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Quote from: thsinar,Aug 11 2007, 09:56 AM

IT NOW WORKS FOR ME

You must be doing something the wrong way, or not having the current eMotion firmware loaded: it needs at least firmware 4.45. Please check and let me know.

DID THAT (was on V2!)

OSX 4.9. or higher yes

- The "Saturation" & "Exposure Compensation" are obviously not activated: "CONTROL" + "CLICK" in the "Process" panel to get the "Pull-Down" menu and select the plugins you wish to have displayed (or not): all the plugins can be activated or disactivated this way.

Nothing is obvious! - why should one choose to 'right click' over blankness to find a facility !
-----

Any way

I like (vs Eyelike software)

option for large previews

The massive levels box

I dont like

(I have one slow laptop and fast desktop PCs)

It is slower to feed changes through to the preview image

No subtle colour controls that I can find

The colour wheel is way too sensitive and cannot be programmed numerically ??

No curves adjustment of individual colour channels ??

No fast export to HTML contact sheet ??

SMM
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: rainer_v on August 12, 2007, 08:24:22 pm
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Thierry,
After your vacation, would you respond what the cause of the eXposure software delay is.  I heard + read it would be available in Spring 2007, and now you're stating early 2008 (if no further slippage).  Why was "Spring 2007" ever mentioned if a total rewrite was known will take much longer?
Very un-Swiss and un-German behavior.  I'd be very "frustrated" had I purchased an eMotion digital back in late 2006, and being told eXposure software was right around the corner.
Billy
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i suppose you woud have been a very happy camper if you woud have purchased in 2006 an emotion back and short times later you would have  found out that there are tools  available, called brumbaer tools, which already are beating all other softwares on the mf market in terms of file quality and also workflow speed. no need for any other software for the emotion backs i.m.o.
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 12, 2007, 08:31:11 pm
Dear Billy,

No need to wait for my return to give you an (obviously unsatisfactory) answer.

YES, it was planed to release Exposure in June '07 latest. As any (most, should I say) software, there have been unexpected delays due to problems encountered, also willingness from our side to run a true beta-testing with real users and customers before releasing it, unlike other applications. This beta-testing alone was planed later to last for 2 months.

Also we (Sinar) have never "sold" the eMotion together with Exposure to potential customers: we have just mentioned/informed that there would be a new capture application available. The eMotion backs do work with Captureshop, since the begining.

I know very well that this is not an excuse for the delay, but it is the reality.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thierry,
After your vacation, would you respond what the cause of the eXposure software delay is.  I heard + read it would be available in Spring 2007, and now you're stating early 2008 (if no further slippage).  Why was "Spring 2007" ever mentioned if a total rewrite was known will take much longer?
Very un-Swiss and un-German behavior.  I'd be very "frustrated" had I purchased an eMotion digital back in late 2006, and being told eXposure software was right around the corner.
Billy
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 13, 2007, 01:28:07 am
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Sorry Sam, I meant "obviously" for myself, when you said that the Exposure Compensation and Saturation plugins had disappeared.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Thanks for helping me get it to function.

Can you comment on my other questions.

1) Will a 54LV work with Eyelike software (which I still find fastest)

2) How can you simply make subtle colour adjustments in Capture Shop ?

those colour adjustments may not be seeking accuracy but a pleasant 'tone'

3) How can you export a fast HTML contact sheet in Capture Shop?

4) without shooting tethered is it possible to calibrate using images of white and gregtag card

SMM
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 13, 2007, 08:35:11 am
Dear Sam,


pls. let me some time to answer you in detail.

Thanks,
Thierry

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Thanks for helping me get it to function.

Can you comment on my other questions.

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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 13, 2007, 08:43:26 am
hi Frank,

the speed improvement is about a factor 2, being conservative. On my ProBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo it is even closer to 2.5 faster.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Theirry,

5.5 gives a huge improvement in speed and stability over previous version.  I am only using it on a MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo [10.4.10] right now with a Sinarback 54H.  I would say that time to open files has been cut almost in half.  I don't test with a stopwatch but the program overall  seems snappier. 
I would highly recommend it to anyone who is hesitant. 
I have yet to load it on my desktop. When I do I will give you a report.

Best,

Frank Poole
www.frankpoole.com
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: ynp on August 13, 2007, 11:46:18 am
Dear Thierry,

I downloaded the CS 5.5 and I am impressed with the speed on my new MacBook Pro.

And I am disappointed with the new release: NO support of eMotion backs on Sinar-m cameras. I even cannot install the new Sinar-M firmware with my Eyelike on the camera and I cannot use the new line of Macro Lens Extensions Tubes AF (ordered). Full integration (bi-directional) only for the first generation backs (54M and 54H and earlier backs) or the new 75H.
I feel that the eMotion backs were orphaned by Sinar. Or Sinar want us, eMotion and sinar-m users, to own TWO backs (one fully integrated tethered solution and one "field" back). I think that this release is not for me. I will keep to use Brumbaer Tools.

I agree with Sam: the  Eyelike CapturePro works very well: once set,  the colors are dead on. And the library of Film Looks is a good starting point for experiments with the look of files. I just hope that this feature will be integrated in the eXposure software.

Yevgeny

 
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hi Frank,

the speed improvement is about a factor 2, being conservative. On my ProBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo it is even closer to 2.5 faster.

Best regards,
Thierry
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 13, 2007, 06:22:39 pm
Dear Sam,

let me comment as following to your questions:

1. It works, but it is not "recommended": the Eyelike software will sooner or later not be supported anymore, latest after the release of Exposure. Then, the Eyelike application does not support Intel Macs.

2. You can creat your own ICC profile in Captureshop, by using a profile making application.

3) This is not possible currently.

4) Yes, by using the Brumbaer tools

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thanks for helping me get it to function.

Can you comment on my other questions.

1) Will a 54LV work with Eyelike software (which I still find fastest)

2) How can you simply make subtle colour adjustments in Capture Shop ?

those colour adjustments may not be seeking accuracy but a pleasant 'tone'

3) How can you export a fast HTML contact sheet in Capture Shop?

4) without shooting tethered is it possible to calibrate using images of white and gregtag card

SMM
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 14, 2007, 01:59:47 am
I dont know who BETA TESTS your stuff  but thier Idea of work flow is way off from mine

2.(COLOUR ADJUSTMENTS) You can creat your own ICC profile in Captureshop, by using a profile making application.

I think we are talking a cross purposes.

I am talking about making adjustments using the best colour tool in the world -

the mark 1 human eyeball

What I mean is it is very hard (using C55) to just to look at an image and just say - 'this man looks a bit pink' and dial it out by eye

(maybe he IS a bit pink!)

This can be done in C5.5 using  the colour wheel but it is way too small and sensitive -not controllable compared to the RGB seperate curves in the Eyelike software (or the colour balance sliders in Kodak photodesk which was released in 1064 BC)

IMO colour balance is subjective - say a portrait of a person under a tree - it is subjective whether you want to dial out the green cast or not - probably the answer is 'a bit'

--

With the Eye software I can now, for some simple jobs (if I have cleaned my sensor), deliver them without the files even touching photoshop - I dont think this will be possible with C55


3) (HTML EXPORT)  This is not possible currently.

Well that saves heaps of computer time for me and my clients - its ommission would appear to be another 'schoolboy error'

Last week I had shot a job and the weather went wrong, an hour before dealine the weather came right and I reshot the pic (of a building local to me)

I was then able to send a web contact sheet to the client in about 2 minutes for them to pick one image from - deadline met

As far as I know this is a pretty normal and fast workflow which is not simply supported

-Shoot
-Apply basic correction to all images
-Export HTML to client
-Client selects
-process out only required files
-tinker with PS
-deliver



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In terms of the speed of the app - I know I use a crummy computer (being a prehistoric two years old) - but the speed has previously been very acceptable to me

CS55 is not doing more than the eye software but is way slower ??

I am talking about the speed of adjusting images at preview level before 'processing out'

The speed of 'processing out' is less relevant to me becuase you can drink tea or post bunkum on Ludicrous Landscape while you are waiting for that to happen

S
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: mattlap2 on August 14, 2007, 02:22:33 am
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3) (HTML EXPORT)  This is not possible currently.

Well that saves heaps of computer time for me and my clients - its ommission would appear to be another 'schoolboy error'

Last week I had shot a job and the weather went wrong, an hour before dealine the weather came right and I reshot the pic (of a building local to me)

I was then able to send a web contact sheet to the client in about 2 minutes for them to pick one image from - deadline met

Morgan,

I know that it is not the same as an HTML contact sheet, but you can take the contact sheet and print it to PDF.   It does send out a relatively nice product for quick proofing.

Matt LaPointe
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 14, 2007, 02:44:24 am
Dear Sam,

I think you have to get used to CS a bit and use it longer: it seems to me that you are missing here a few features. Unfortunately I cannot explain them all here, and that's why there is a "Help" file delivered with CS (User Manual).

The colour can certainly not be adjusted the way you are looking to have it, but as far as the speed of adjustements in CS is concerned, this is done by selecting the images in the contact sheet, apply the seetings you wish (White balance, contrast, brightness, exposure comp., profiles, working space, etc, etc .... ---> ALL the possible settings): having selected that, the speed of corrections is almost INSTANT and batched automatically in your contact sheet (contact sheet based workflow). Try it out.

It is always "difficult" to change from one application to another, since there are built-up differently, with different features. But I think you are missing out some very useful tools in CS: again, make use of the "Help" which will explain it in details.

hanks and best regards,
Thierry

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With the Eye software I can now, for some simple jobs (if I have cleaned my sensor), deliver them without the files even touching photoshop - I dont think this will be possible with C55
3) (HTML EXPORT)  This is not possible currently.

Well that saves heaps of computer time for me and my clients - its ommission would appear to be another 'schoolboy error'

Last week I had shot a job and the weather went wrong, an hour before dealine the weather came right and I reshot the pic (of a building local to me)

In terms of the speed of the app - I know I use a crummy computer (being a prehistoric two years old) - but the speed has previously been very acceptable to me

CS55 is not doing more than the eye software but is way slower ??

I am talking about the speed of adjusting images at preview level before 'processing out'

The speed of 'processing out' is less relevant to me becuase you can drink tea or post bunkum on Ludicrous Landscape while you are waiting for that to happen

S
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 14, 2007, 02:45:55 am
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Morgan,

I know that it is not the same as an HTML contact sheet, but you can take the contact sheet and print it to PDF.   It does send out a relatively nice product for quick proofing.

Matt LaPointe
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I had been thinking about a screen grab or simlar..

how do you do it ?

I am just exporting 30 images as jpg low in preview quality - I started at 0742 and will report back once the process is complete

S
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 14, 2007, 03:39:36 am
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Dear Sam,

I think you have to get used to CS a bit and use it longer: it seems to me that you are missing here a few features. Unfortunately I cannot explain them all here, and that's why there is a "Help" file delivered with CS (User Manual).

The colour can certainly not be adjusted the way you are looking to have it, but as far as the speed of adjustements in CS is concerned, this is done by selecting the images in the contact sheet, apply the seetings you wish (White balance, contrast, brightness, exposure comp., profiles, working space, etc, etc .... ---> ALL the possible settings): having selected that, the speed of corrections is almost INSTANT and batched automatically in your contact sheet (contact sheet based workflow). Try it out.

It is always "difficult" to change from one application to another, since there are built-up differently, with different features. But I think you are missing out some very useful tools in CS: again, make use of the "Help" which will explain it in details.

hanks and best regards,
Thierry
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Well it took 20 mins to export 20 images to jpg - to make an HTML contact sheet will take anonther 5 in PhotoMechanic

TH

I understand fully about batch importing/exporting of settings

(it would of course be fastest to right click copy settings and then paste settings or patse special settings - like the wonderful kodak photodesk)

The speed that matters to me is editing one image - an edit for example of the curves takes maybe half a second to translate to my screen view even when working with the contat sheet enlarged not in an 'open' image

Half a second may not sound long but this has the effect of your mouse being half a second behind your actions- which is actually very slow

I understand that my laptop is not the fastest

but it can happily work a 22mp 16bit file in PS (up to three layers)

We in the field have a limited budget for upgrades but more importantly..

In terms of design - I know you shouldnt need to design for steam age kit - but there is an argument for making it as fast an memory non intensive as possible

This argument revolves around field shooters desires to work towards tiny laptops or PDAs or even Iphones for portable tethered shooting

There is currenty a 'tiny lpatop' thread going and also comments about avoiding LR because it its slow compared to C1

I think a 'fast mode' is needed say a 600pxl preview view *

Of course if there was PC software I could use my monster office desktops !

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In terms of the colour adjustment unless I am missing something the interface (the colour wheel) is a great one in theory

But it is too small and controlled only by movement of the mouse

The scaleable (single chanel)  curve box is fantastic in C55

In PS for example you can control the curves either using the mouse OR by typing input and output values

You should be able to control thees colours either senitivly or numerically

This user interface seems to strangle the sensitive adjustments theoretically available from both your wonderful cameras and fundamentally excellent image processor

SMM

*kodak implemented a 'fast mode' with a photodesk upgrade - with made the software from 'unusable' to 'great'
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 14, 2007, 03:56:22 am
Sam,

- It is possible to save settings, then copy/paste!, Whatever settings you want, a single one or a couple of setttings together, or all possible settings.

- Exposure will exist for PC version, which should make you happy, with your office PC's

Best regards,
Thierry

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TH

(it would of course be fastest to right click copy settings and then paste settings or patse special settings - like the wonderful kodak photodesk)


I understand that my laptop is not the fastest


Of course if there was PC software I could use my monster office desktops !

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SMM
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Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 14, 2007, 04:37:02 am
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Sam,

- It is possible to save settings, then copy/paste!, Whatever settings you want, a singe one or a couple of setttings together, or al possibe settings.

- Exposure will exist for PC version, which should make you happy, with your office PC's

Best regards,
Thierry
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yes

> process copy settings

then unless I am wrong

each individual setting can be pasted

but this require lots of mouse if you want alll of the setting expept maybe exposure compensation

Its just mouse time.

Im sure I'll get used to the GUI - fundamentally the features are there

So lets go quiet on that.

I am still sure that sensitive colour adjustment is a feature that is missing ??

S
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: pprdigital on August 14, 2007, 09:44:26 am
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yes

> process copy settings

then unless I am wrong

each individual setting can be pasted

but this require lots of mouse if you want alll of the setting expept maybe exposure compensation

Its just mouse time.

S
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Sam:

All you need do is make whatever changes you want to a selected image, go to the top arrow button - just below and to the right of the Export tab - pull down that button/menu, select copy, then select all images you want to apply those settings to, pull down the button/menu and select paste. Couldn't be easier, except maybe with some shortcut key commands. This essentially is how you perform multiple image adjustments on a batch in a single operation.

Steve Hendrix
PPR
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 14, 2007, 10:03:24 am
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Sam:

All you need do is make whatever changes you want to a selected image, go to the top arrow button - just below and to the right of the Export tab - pull down that button/menu, select copy, then select all images you want to apply those settings to, pull down the button/menu and select paste. Couldn't be easier, except maybe with some shortcut key commands. This essentially is how you perform multiple image adjustments on a batch in a single operation.

Steve Hendrix
PPR
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Yes I got that !

Still slightly unclear how to paste only a few of the settings not all of them

Seems you have to individually paste that setting having copied the whole lot

Like I said I will probably get quicker at this software - every new software is a learning experience

Still I feel the control over colour is too fiddly to make adjustments to please the eye (as opposed to clicking or pasting a grey balance)

Typically I will start with a neutral image which I then want to warm

I can do this in ACR with thetemp slider and calibration sliders or in Eyelike with the seperate colour curves (my favorite)

This is possible with the colour wheel in C55 but incredibly hard to control with a mouse over just a few pixels

SMM
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: mattlap2 on August 14, 2007, 12:13:27 pm
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I had been thinking about a screen grab or simlar..

how do you do it ?

I am just exporting 30 images as jpg low in preview quality - I started at 0742 and will report back once the process is complete

S
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From the contact sheet ...  just choose print!    And then in the print window click PDF and choose Save to PDF.    It works surprisingly well .....

Matt
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 14, 2007, 07:41:34 pm
No Sam, no need to copy each setting: you can copy all as you want them, simply by using the top right corner pulldown menu ("Copy Settings"), and then "Paste Settings" to all the selected iamges in CS. You can the same way also "Save Settings", for further use.

Best regards,
Thierry

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yes

> process copy settings

then unless I am wrong

each individual setting can be pasted

but this require lots of mouse if you want alll of the setting expept maybe exposure compensation

Its just mouse time.

Im sure I'll get used to the GUI - fundamentally the features are there

So lets go quiet on that.

I am still sure that sensitive colour adjustment is a feature that is missing ??

S
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Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 15, 2007, 12:56:59 am
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I dont want to sound rude but everyone is chipping in on how to copy the setting across images - I am happy ish with that - it is not my question - my question is..

What about subtle adjustments to colour ???

S
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: David WM on August 15, 2007, 02:46:53 am
I understand what you mean. I find the wheel OK for rough colour adjustments, but if I want to repeat an adjustment based on familiarity rather than saving settings, its not easy. I tend to do my subtle adjustments in photoshop.  I suppose you could make a whole bunch of preset colour adjustments and save them, but it is a work around as I assume the idea of the colour circle is to make intuitive changes quickly. Maybe if it was a lot bigger and had grid squares overlaid you could get more exact results.
David

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S
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Post by: thsinar on August 15, 2007, 03:47:07 am
Sam,

Different (subttle) colour adjustments are not possible the way you describe it.

Best regards,
Thierry


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I dont want to sound rude but everyone is chipping in on how to copy the setting across images - I am happy ish with that - it is not my question - my question is..

What about subtle adjustments to colour ???

S
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Post by: Morgan_Moore on August 15, 2007, 06:04:58 am
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Maybe if it was a lot bigger and had grid squares overlaid you could get more exact results.

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Or had some kind of numeric input in the way that PS curves do

To be fair part of the amount of adjustments I have become used to making are drivien by my E22s terrible 'start point'

hopefully new gen backs (get mine next week) have a great start point

I think this is one of the recent improvements on backs both phase P30 V 25 and sinar (dont know the others)

S
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: rainer_v on August 15, 2007, 06:59:39 am
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Or had some kind of numeric input in the way that PS curves do

To be fair part of the amount of adjustments I have become used to making are drivien by my E22s terrible 'start point'

hopefully new gen backs (get mine next week) have a great start point

I think this is one of the recent improvements on backs both phase P30 V 25 and sinar (dont know the others)

S
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the "start" point is not determined by the backs, its the interpretation of the raw data which is done in the konverter which makes that. so start with a good "def" setting and your "start" point might be ok.
uninterpretated raw data in any case is not looking so great on a monitor without gradation curves applied. but as i said before use b rumbaer tools and lightroom or acr3 and all the problems you suffer from are past.


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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: BJNY on August 15, 2007, 09:37:02 am
Thierry, Rainer, Foto-Z, et. al.,

What size is the DNG from Brumbaer compared to the .sti RAW file?  Does the DNG retain the adjustments made (grey balance, curve, saturation, etc.). Is the DNG still usable within CaptureShop?  

Thank you in advance,
Billy
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: ynp on August 15, 2007, 09:44:37 am
Dear Thierry,

Sorry to bother you again. I hope it is not off topic.
When  does Sinar plan to introduce full support of eMotion backs with Sinar-M? Shall we expect  eXposure or a new version of CS to provide two-directional connection and AF with e54LV-e75LV?

It looks I will be going to lend my Sinar-M + eMotion 22 to a Museum (Imperial Palace Pavlovsk near St. Petersburg, Russia) in October. It is a a pro bono work, my wife and her students will be preparing a Book on some of the exhibits. We will have a big copying stand and we plan to put the camera+ the AF Module under the roof. I just wanted to operate the camera through the software instead of having an operator (a student) on the ladder. It will be a sort of a copying solutions advertised by SinarBron for the USA government some time ago.

Now I am faced with the dilemma : buy a first generation used sinarback (or exchange my e22 for a 54H or 54M)  or wait for a software solution. I do not want to invest in a new 75H yet. What do you recommend ?

Thank you
Yevgeny
Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: thsinar on August 16, 2007, 05:22:02 am
Dear Yevgeny,

it is not off topic!

Integration of the eMotion and communication with the Sinar m is planed with the Exposure software. This might be too late for you.

I think the best would be to organize a loaner of a SB 54 H or then of an eVolution 75 H for your work: May I ask you to get in touch with your distributor and Helga about this? I would definitively go with multishot in the future for this kind of reproduction work.

Hope this helps,
Thierry

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Dear Thierry,

Sorry to bother you again. I hope it is not off topic.
When  does Sinar plan to introduce full support of eMotion backs with Sinar-M? Shall we expect  eXposure or a new version of CS to provide two-directional connection and AF with e54LV-e75LV?

It looks I will be going to lend my Sinar-M + eMotion 22 to a Museum (Imperial Palace Pavlovsk near St. Petersburg, Russia) in October. It is a a pro bono work, my wife and her students will be preparing a Book on some of the exhibits. We will have a big copying stand and we plan to put the camera+ the AF Module under the roof. I just wanted to operate the camera through the software instead of having an operator (a student) on the ladder. It will be a sort of a copying solutions advertised by SinarBron for the USA government some time ago.

Now I am faced with the dilemma : buy a first generation used sinarback (or exchange my e22 for a 54H or 54M)  or wait for a software solution. I do not want to invest in a new 75H yet. What do you recommend ?

Thank you
Yevgeny
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Title: For all Sinarback Users
Post by: ynp on August 16, 2007, 11:33:50 am
Dear Thierry,
Thank you very much. I will send Helga an e-mail tomorrow and I will keep waiting for the new software.
I gave a call to the Russian  sinar-bron dealer today and he will try to help me to rent/borrow an SB 54H in St Pete in October. There are at least two 54H owners in the area known to Sinar.
I talked to the dealer and I found interesting enough that Sinar had sold several  Evolution 75H backs to some Russian 54 M and 54H owners  and ALL of the 54H owners decided to keep their 54H backs as back-ups alongside the new 75Hs. It means no chance for me to buy a secondhand 54H sinarback here in Russia through the dealer. Now I wonder if the 54H are that good to part with them?
Regards,
Yevgeny
 
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I think the best would be to organize a loaner of a SB 54 H or then of an eVolution 75 H for your work: May I ask you to get in touch with your distributor and Helga about this? I would definitively go with multishot in the future for this kind of reproduction work.

Hope this helps,
Thierry
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Post by: thsinar on August 17, 2007, 05:12:17 am
Dear Yevgeny,

I would certainly consider the SB 54H as a multishot option for your work: it is definitively one of the best multishot I've ever seen.

You can contact "rehnniar" who has used it for his reproduction work lately: he would certainly be in a better position to speak about its quality and necessity to bring out the latest details and true colours of such shots.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Dear Thierry,
It means no chance for me to buy a secondhand 54H sinarback here in Russia through the dealer. Now I wonder if the 54H are that good to part with them?
Regards,
Yevgeny
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