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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: pixjohn on May 23, 2007, 02:34:01 am
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Is it me? James Russell name is listed as unregistered?
James? did you unregister or get booted?
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Is it me? James Russell name is listed as unregistered?
James? did you unregister or get booted?
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Read [a href=\"http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16989&pid=118920&st=0&#entry118920]this[/url] thread.
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Wow I had no idea people talked outside medium format digital and now I see troyhouse is also unregestered? Not another RG forum?
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During the past week, due to their disagreement with me over the Lolita title affair three people have asked for their names to be removed (even though all one has to do is simply not return to this forum if it upsets them). I guess it's a way of registering ones protest.
One person was warned and had a post deleted after making an incendiary posting, following being told that continuing to do so was a bad idea.
No one has been banned other than the usual spammers.
Michael
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During the past week, due to their disagreement with me over the Lolita title affair three people have asked for their names to be removed (even though all one has to do is simply not return to this forum if it upsets them). I guess it's a way of registering ones protest.
One person was involentarily removed after making an incendiary posting, following being told that continuing to do so was a bad idea.
No one has been banned other than the usual spammers.
Michael
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I have just scanned through the Lolita thread and am saddened to hear that a few of our regular Medium Format DB forum contributors have left. I won't post an opinion about the issue but just wish the whole matter could have been better handled. Sad, really sad.
Henry
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Life is like this, there are people who go and others coming. Same in this forum, and whatever are the reasons, whoever has it right (or wrong), however serious are the reasons, one should not overreact and take it too seriously.
This forum is meant to share and learn things, to communicate and ultimately to have fun with our passion and for some with their job, photography.
Let's keep it like this and continue contributing to our passion.
Thierry
[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Force 12 in tea recepticle[/span] - if you get my drift!
Yes they are great contributors to the threads, but must not have realised their own value on-line OR not care about no longer participating, to just leave like that.
Let's not equate it to the Rob Galbriath forums fiasco, which was totally different and in my opinion justified (rather than over-moralising <sactimomiously>, which some people may suspect of being the case here - if they are in support of Michael (most people who contribute).
Ted
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I opened a thread yesterday on the topic of this site's general anti-PC positions. I thought my post was polite though critical.
It was deleted.
I find this site worse in that respect than RG because the moderator's actions here are arbitary -- not according to any pre-set criteria. Michael just deletes what he does not like.
This is an affront to anyone who spends the time to post something of redeeming value to other readers.
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What possible F@#$ing connection does this thread have to do with Med. Format.
It belongs in the 'About this Site' section and,if it gets deleted or locked for whatever
reason,then we each have our own decision to make. Simple.
James exercised his option without the need for fanfare.
Please keep this section for thrashing 'Blad and pumping Phase.
Mark
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This is an affront to anyone who spends the time to post something of redeeming value to other readers.
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Holy s*@t,
Are we all forgetting a couple of things here?
1. Opinions are like a**holes..there's plenty of them around and they all stink.
2. This site belongs to Michael Reichmann, it is his to do with as he pleases. He is offering people a forum to discuss, educate and exchange ideas. Under his rules. None of us have any right to say anything except thank you for the opportunity or, conversely, no thanks, I'll go elsewhere. When anyone of us sets up a website or discussion forum we will have exactly the same rights. We are guests here and some of the comments directed at our host are nothing short of rude.
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What possible F@#$ing connection does this thread have to do with Med. Format.
It belongs in the 'About this Site' section and,if it gets deleted or locked for whatever
reason,then we each have our own decision to make. Simple.
James exercised his option without the need for fanfare.
Please keep this section for thrashing 'Blad and pumping Phase.
Mark
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Don't forget the Leaf lookers!
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Bob,
The post that I deleted was exceedingly rude and accusatory, and you posted it after being warned (as was everyone) that I had lost tolerance for further Lolita discussion. If you thunk that it was "polite though critical" then we have widely divergent perceptions of what "polite" means.
Frankly, you're luckly that I didn't ban you.
Don't push your luck.
Michael
Ps: For those that are interested, in the eight or so years that this forum and its predecessor has been in existence, and tens of thousands of messages and participants, other than spammers I have only deleted or banned 3 or 4 people.
I am a staunch believer in free speech. I just don't like being insulted and maligned in my own house.
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WOW!
I had ventured away for a few days and came back to this. I don't really see the problem with the picture. There was nothing bad about it in anyway. From a psychological point of view the people that have a problem with it should look in the mirror and figure why THEY have a problem with it.
The girls is not nude, not being touched and not exposing anything. For anyone who has traveled South and Central America they will know that this is a very comon look in any doorway of shanty type towns.
From seeing the shot the first time I was a bit WOW, but not from the photographers point of view. But from what the girl is trying to portray. How much does she know? What has she experienced?
As someone mentioned before. You can see the stuff Mapplethorpe did, Meisel for Madonna's Sex book etc.. etc.. and yes this is all adults being shot. But you can look at many other people and one perfect example is Jock Sturges work. I believe Sally Mann and Nan Goldin have also had similar type images.
I think, that many people are use to seeing Michael's work as more landscape and scenery type stuff.
I know James and he is a good guy and yes very opinionated. I am not here to neither defend or rag on anyone. But, I know James work and it shocks me that this picture offendes him. He shoots models that are 15, 16, 18 in provocative clothing and gazes. Sometime the girls could be barely 18 with a 15 year old look. Something this industry is based on.
Youth, beauty and sexiness.
It sucks that it has taken this road. James, Troy and the rest of the guys will be missed.
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I don't intend to comment on the Lolita picture because everything's been said already. Rather, my thoughts are regarding persons who may have withdrawn from this forum. Don't get me wrong, James Russell seemed like a very knowledgeable guy and is an amazing photographer. But people are acting like it's their own mother at stake here. For all his knowledge and photographic skills, James is, to most of us, just some guy on the Internet. I mean, if you know him, I can understand being miffed at his absence. But for the rest of us -- come on!
I also think Michael has a perfectly valid point (not necessarily directed James) about not being maligned in his own house. Disagreed with, sure, to the extent he's willing to put up with it. But some of the comments (again, NOT necessarily James') verge on calling him a child pornographer. We're free to think and say that, but Michael is equally free to kick us out of his private space when we do so.
Now, can we please get back to medium format matters? I could use a TFP model in Cleveland to help me test out my new P30+. :-) (Seriously).
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Yes lets get back, to medium format,,
how do you like your p30+?
BlasR
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Yes lets get back, to medium format,,
how do you like your p30+?
BlasR
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Same question here. P30+ opinions ?
Edmund
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In all honesty, I haven't had a spare minute to really test it; been travelling like crazy. Plus, my laptop hard drive crashed and died, which requires me to reinstall all my programs (like Photoshop, Lightroom, and Capture One), which I haven't had a chance to do yet.
Preliminarily, it's clear that high-ISO performance is better, the LCD screen is better, and shooting speed is somewhat better.
Same question here. P30+ opinions ?
Edmund
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I find this site worse in that respect than RG because the moderator's actions here are arbitary -- not according to any pre-set criteria. Michael just deletes what he does not like.
This is an affront to anyone who spends the time to post something of redeeming value to other readers.
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You've got to be kidding! The RG site was a disater because RG didn't want anyone saying anything negative about people dropping dead presidents ($$) on his heavily advertised site. The forum police were Nazi-like in their zeal.
This site isn't ANYTHING like that. Short of yelling fire in a crowed theater, you can pretty much say what you like here.
As for the recent Lolita affair, it was way over the top, a major bandwidth sucker and not at all useful. Michael puts his images and opinions here therefore anyone can make judgements till the cows come home. Let us please see, discuss and JUDGE their images using the same vitriol heaped onto Michael. Enough.
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You've got to be kidding! The RG site was a disater because RG didn't want anyone saying anything negative about people dropping dead presidents ($$) on his heavily advertised site. The forum police were Nazi-like in their zeal.
This site isn't ANYTHING like that. Short of yelling fire in a crowed theater, you can pretty much say what you like here.
As for the recent Lolita affair, it was way over the top, a major bandwidth sucker and not at all useful. Michael puts his images and opinions here therefore anyone can make judgements till the cows come home. Let us please see, discuss and JUDGE their images using the same vitriol heaped onto Michael. Enough.
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I absolutely agree, the RG site was so intolerant of views not shared by them and the moderator there was very rude to me on a number of occasions in private emails. This latest "incident" doesn't come close to the RG idiocy and I would hearby like to thank Michael for running the forum with such intelligence and tolerance.
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my wife wasn't happy about the lolita affair either...but this site has a lot of valuable information and it is kind of nice to make an image controversial by the tittle alone! So let's get back to sharing info about medium format photography.
I love my AFDII...think my RZ67 is too heavy (or I am to weak and old) and the images created by my A65 are perfect....putting them into my LR makes them even better!!
AND I just tested the profoto 600B.....WOW....for such a small pack!! At full power I got a F32 at 125th at about 5 feet.....PERFECT
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Michael
This is not your house. And if it is your position that you can arbitrarily regulate what people say based on your mood of the day, you should not pretend to run a free and open forum.
Anyway, you pulled my post not because it was rude but because it pointed out facts about your positions on a variety of subjects that was not flattering to your image.
The reason you do not ban me is because it would certainly be a greater loss to you than to me.
And, my is not Bob; it is Babak.
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Ok, you win. This is not a "free and open forum". It is a dictatorship – mine.
It happens to be a mostly benign dictatorship (I sometimes don't even read the forums for days or weeks), but don't suffer any illusions as to its true nature. I pay the bills, and therefore decide whether to turn the lights on each morning.
As for my not banning you because I would find it such a loss – well, thanks for the chuckle.
Let's close this chapter. If you are unhappy, simply move along. You can't win this debate.
On the other hand, if you feel you have something worthwhile to contribute here, then do so, but only on matters relating to photograpy.
Michael
Michael
This is not your house. And if it is your position that you can arbitrarily regulate what people say based on your mood of the day, you should not pretend to run a free and open forum.
Anyway, you pulled my post not because it was rude but because it pointed out facts about your positions on a variety of subjects that was not flattering to your image.
The reason you do not ban me is because it would certainly be a greater loss to you than to me.
And, my is not Bob; it is Babak.
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Lets just say responding to me was probably the first thing you did this morning. In fact, you seem to feel compelled to respond to just about all my posts (well, those you do not delete)!
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How much longer before we put this to bed?
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BABAK,
You may be spending far too many of your present moments in efforts to win the appoval of others, or in being concerned with some disapproval that you have encountered. If approval has become a need in your life, then you have some work to do.
You can begin by understanding that appoval-seeking is a desire rather than a necessity.
do you have anything to say about photography?
I like to know if you do,,
if you don't why you just don't lets it rest ?
Back to medium format,,
anyone with p45+ for H1/2?
Thank You
BlasR
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BlasR - I tried out the P45 with my Mamiya 645 but decided on the P30. Got word yesterday that my loaner was being shipped - it should be here later today...Oh Happy Day
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is this topic really worth its 24 "Replies" and its 1829+ "Views"?
I don't think so.
like many are wishing it here: let's move on to more serious (and more funny) things.
Thierry
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is this topic really worth its 24 "Replies" and its 1829+ "Views"?
I don't think so.
like many are wishing it here: let's move on to more serious (and more funny) things.
Thierry
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Hi Thiery,
Does Sinar have a forum where non-owners can visit and perhaps get a good idea of its products?
Henry
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Dear Henry,
nothing such for non-members is yet existing, but we are discussing all options and possibilities, also yours. However, I don't think that it will be tomorrow, when you wake up!
Best regards,
Thierry
Hi Thiery,
Does Sinar have a forum where non-owners can visit and perhaps get a good idea of its products?
Henry
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Dear Henry,
nothing such for non-members is yet existing, but we are discussing all options and possibilities, also yours. However, I don't think that it will be tomorrow, when you wake up!
Best regards,
Thierry
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Kop-khun
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Krab!
Kop-khun
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Thierry
You are a salesman -- not an artist -- and I do understand your being only interested in the commercial and technical aspects of the craft.
I do not begrudge your using this forum for your commercial promotional purposes, and you should not begrudge others for using it to express a non-technical opinion related to photography.
There is much more to photography than selling cameras and talking about their bells and whistles.
Anyway, if you are bored with this thread, please feel free to click on another one.
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I agree with Thierry that we should move on to something a little more light hearted and funny . Can we start another thread and post some photo-releated jokes? I'm sure there is something out there like.... a priest, a phototgrapher and a rabbi go into a bar...
Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration
www.captureintegration.com
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Dear ?
Please be informed that my participation here on this forum is my own and sole decision, without my management asking me to do so, nor with any censorship or "guidances" in answering.
I am here on my free will and because I wish primarely to share and help others, Sinar users for sure, but as well others.
BTW: I am a photographer (may be not a artist), not a sales person at all. I have not even a bit of a sales instruction in my career. But yes, I am interested in the technical aspect of photography, right.
But I do not wish to be involved in such fruitless discussions and being "treated" as a one promoting "his" products here. I think I do not need to hear this, nor to read it, I am far too "old" for such games. I wish this to be clear for you.
As for my opinion about this topic: it is not that it is boring, but you should see and understand that many, if not the majority here, wish to speak about photography, not to fight and bash around.
Thanks for your understanding and best regards,
Thierry
Thierry
You are a salesman -- not an artist -- and I do understand your being only interested in the commercial and technical aspects of the craft.
I do not begrudge your using this forum for your commercial promotional purposes, and you should not begrudge others for using it to express a non-technical opinion related to photography.
There is much more to photography than selling cameras and talking about their bells and whistles.
Anyway, if you are bored with this thread, please feel free to click on another one.
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Okay Chris I can hardly wait for the punch line....
We need to post an image and come up with a caption!
Don
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If I am not mistaken, Thierry's original post lamented the large number of vistors and contributors to this thread. This contradicts his claim that a majority in this forum wants to move on to something more "funny".
In fact, the threads that discuss controversial social issued related to photography often generate the greatest interest here.
The people wanting to move on seem to be the ones with something to sell.
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I think you're wrong. I have nothing to sell and am very interested in moving on. Could you please just drop it? Or, at a minimum, drop it in THIS part of the forums (entitled Medium Format Digital). That shouldn't be an unreasonable requet, as there are other places, on this site and elsewhere, where you can fume about this.
If I am not mistaken, Thierry's original post lamented the large number of vistors and contributors to this thread. This contradicts his claim that a majority in this forum wants to move on to something more "funny".
In fact, the threads that discuss controversial social issued related to photography often generate the greatest interest here.
The people wanting to move on seem to be the ones with something to sell.
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If I am not mistaken, Thierry's original post lamented the large number of vistors and contributors to this thread. This contradicts his claim that a majority in this forum wants to move on to something more "funny".
In fact, the threads that discuss controversial social issued related to photography often generate the greatest interest here.
The people wanting to move on seem to be the ones with something to sell.
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I want to move on. I suspect there are so many viewings because people are interested to see how far off topic you can go, how far you'll push Michaels buttons until you either get banned or go away. Its a bit like a cockfight or those who slow down when they see a nasty accident on the freeway.
Even if you're right that controversial issues generate the greatest interest, after awhile, we have to agree to disagree and move on. We're WAY PAST that point with this topic.
I'll have to re-read all the threads again more closely, I don't recall seeing anyone selling anything.
Lastly, I don't you think your post "You are a salesman -- not an artist" was a bit out of line?
Oh, this will be my last post in this thread. Its been many a year since I shot a medium format digital back (not that I wouldn’t love to do so again).
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its funny, how a pseudo-moralic debate about an image ( or even not about the image... about the title ! ) is abused by people to blame others and to demonstrate moralic "cleanness", which i.m.o. is not only in a hi-level dishonest its also ridiculous. doesnt matter who is doing this and how known or unknown his name.
congrats to michael and how he handles this awkward discussion about his shot ( i like it,- its a great shot ) and about his style here in LL ( which i like also- therefore i am here ).
i am reallly not sure if i could stand a debate like this ith similar consequence and liberality, as he is doing here. five stars michael from my side michael.
congrats also to thierry how he is acting here in such a polite way, avoiding to be involved in blaming and also ridiculous discussions as that comments above about not beein an "artist". ridiculous comment. as several of your posts before too, babak.
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Just so there is no misunderstanding, as a result of Boghb's last post he has been banned.
Some people simply don't know how to quit when they're ahead.
This topic is now closed.
Michael