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Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: marty m on April 11, 2007, 03:23:08 am
This thread is intended to be a compilation of the flaws in Lightroom.  What needs to be fixed in the next version?  What is not working properly?  What causes crashes?  What features should be added?  What did Adobe fail to include that is in equivalent software?

We can post on the Adobe web site until the next millenium and our individual suggestions might never be noticed.  On the other hand, several of the participants on the forum are directly identified with the design of the software.  Hopefully they will forward our combined suggestions.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: marty m on April 11, 2007, 03:26:50 am
Here's two of the major issues that must be addressed in any upgrade. These are discussed in other threads:

(1) Lightroom must import ALL files and not only the raw files. So if the CF card has raw files, jpeg files and wav audio files -- all with the same file name -- all three will be imported into Lightroom.

It is the software equivalent of criminal negligence that Lightroom now arbitrarily imports only the raw files. That means that when the photographer erases or reformats the CF card, he or she loses all of the other files.

Lightroom can incorporate a very simple filter so that only one type of file is seen, and the photographer can delete all the others if you choose to do so.

In the meantime, the import function in Lightroom is so severely crippled that it is essentially useless for importing from CF cards.

Use the import function in Photo Mechanic instead.

(2) Lightroom needs to include the ability to play back audio wav files recorded on Canon pro bodies. This should be seamless, and Photo Mechanic is an excellent example of how the feature should work.

As long as Lightroom lacks this feature it can't be used for reviewing and editing photo files.  At least not if the photographer makes extensive use of the audio function while shooting and needs to play those audio notes back when reviewing and editing.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Kirk Gittings on April 11, 2007, 11:03:30 am
1) LR needs to be able to write to a network drive.
2) Without being able to correct for barrel distortion, in addition to CA,  means I always have to reopen most images in PS to finish the image. I may as well use PS to begin with.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: macgyver on April 11, 2007, 11:07:51 am
I wouldn't mind seeing a dodge and burn control, though I don't know if that is feasable the way LR is set up.  I doubt it.  Other than that maybe some speed improvments when dealing with large numbers of images.

Personally I never use LR to import off the card, instead I copy my card to where I want it in my file structure and then index that in LR.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: dcp on April 11, 2007, 12:23:45 pm
Noise control is horrible.. I'm sure Adobe can do better than that. The high ISO images processed from LR is decades away from the likes of C1PRO et al.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: DarkPenguin on April 11, 2007, 12:40:59 pm
I haven't played too much with this yet.  Did lightroom incorporate the nifty auto CA/fringing removal that RSP had?  The CA controls are nice but it "just happened" with RSP.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: francois on April 11, 2007, 12:49:46 pm
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I haven't played too much with this yet.  Did lightroom incorporate the nifty auto CA/fringing removal that RSP had?  The CA controls are nice but it "just happened" with RSP.
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I haven't used RSP but LR can correct fringing.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: francois on April 11, 2007, 01:00:25 pm
Here's a few ones that would make my life easier (in no particular order):

1. Zoom to 1:1 with Crop Overlay Tool
2. Search for keyword's synonyms
3. Dodge & Burn
4. Local contrast enhancement
5. Split (and merge) libraries
6. Conform to keyword capitalization when suggesting keywords
7. Bring PKS and Noiseware into LR without the round trip to PS
8. Generate an optional log file of the import sessions

Be sure to fill Bug Report/Feature Request on Adobe website (here (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform)).
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: DarkPenguin on April 11, 2007, 01:47:57 pm
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I haven't used RSP but LR can correct fringing.
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I know.  Does it do it automatically like RSP?
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: francois on April 11, 2007, 01:58:18 pm
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I know.  Does it do it automatically like RSP?
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No, it doesn't.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: JayS on April 17, 2007, 09:54:21 am
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Noise control is horrible.. I'm sure Adobe can do better than that. The high ISO images processed from LR is decades away from the likes of C1PRO et al.
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I agree on this point.  I posted a question about Preprocessing Noise parameters on import based on ISO Metedata, similar to what could be done in RSP.  I can provide what I have set up there for various ISOs, but it is specific to a Canon 20D and was done by someone who put an extensive amount of work into RSP to do this and determine the best parameters to apply ahead of time.  The nicest aspect was that you could obviously have different ISOs on the same shoot, import and let RSP handle each different one automatically.

Jay S.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: roine on April 17, 2007, 11:52:27 am
An option to turn off back ground jobs, eg the meta data uppdate, if You have a lot of picturs, i have 70 000, then all those background issues sinks the whole computer for a log time. The meta data and keyword counting and data collection takes a lot of power and make the program useless.

Roine
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: troyhouse on April 17, 2007, 12:40:18 pm
2 huge ones, Speed. Seriously slower than it should be. And the ability to render a folder of images to screen rez, not just the ones visable in the window. This would make scrolling MUCH faster
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: BFoto on April 17, 2007, 01:19:51 pm
Hi

1. Fix all PC related issues
- like crashing with CF card import of 100+ images
- Including the shadow option in overlays for slideshow (only on mac)

2. more speed+++. The time it takes to render previews or change images before a clear image is dispayed seriously hinders workflow

3. Fix speed issues related to applying spot healing tool. this essentially freezes its use, the more 'spots' the slower it gets

4. Prevent rendered jpeg preview degradation as more adjustments are made

5. Sharpening - aka RSP + unsharp mask

6. Noise reduction - aka RSP. High ISO files are poor in LR

7. Apply keyword functionality to folder structure.

8. Stacking - apply stacking in not just the folders.

9. Auto snapshot on export

10. Add ISO filter to the metadata browser in the LIbrary

11. How bout direct tethered shooting capacity from camera

Thanks
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: BFoto on April 17, 2007, 01:23:41 pm
Also

12. soft proofing for print
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: roine on April 17, 2007, 01:23:56 pm
Hello

abt spot healing, a version, selectible, where I only mark the spot and LR makes a per picture dessision for the source, today it only copy current to the other pictures, so source may vary and it isn´t so usefull if the target movs in a serie.

Roine
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Ben Rubinstein on April 17, 2007, 02:00:32 pm
Speed, Bridge 1 and ACR is far far faster at rendering previews andshowing changes or zooming in to 100%, it's not good enough.

The recovery highlights tool works by lowering contrast in the highlights rather than actually recovering the data as the minus exposure tool does, this is simply lazy given that the fill tool works as it should i.e. actually lightening the shadows rather than adjusting the contrast in them.

There needs to be rotate in the develop mode! It's crazy to have to go back to grid mode (with the 5 secs that it takes) each time I want to rotate. Not being able to star more than one pic at a time except in grid mode is silly too.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: theophilus on April 17, 2007, 07:54:15 pm
1) "Loading..." time is inexcusably slow
2) Ability to define multiple steps in zooming (fit-->50%-->100%)
3) Real USM/Smart Sharpen type sharpening
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Ben Rubinstein on April 17, 2007, 08:20:24 pm
I just tried rendering 100% previews to see if that cut the loading time down, yes it did but it still takes 6-9 seconds to show at 100% (instead of 15!) and I have no idea how that is possible, even if there was a full size jpg to load, PS can do it in half a second, why does it take 8 seconds for LR to load and show a section of what has to be a pretty small file?

Of course the rendering takes an age and a half. I'm thinking of just going back to Bridge/ACR, it's just far far faster.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: nicolaasdb on April 18, 2007, 03:12:01 am
I would like it when:

--->> I can put text over an image (visual copyright protection) so when my images are in a webgallery my copyright will always be there...and I don't have to open them up in CS first and put it on there with an action.

--->> I could put plug in filters in it....like alien skin exposure....so I will have a nice starting point

Have to work with LR more to come up with other needs.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: jani on April 18, 2007, 08:43:42 am
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I would like it when:

--->> I can put text over an image (visual copyright protection) so when my images are in a webgallery my copyright will always be there...and I don't have to open them up in CS first and put it on there with an action.
This is called a "watermark", and you can add one from the web gallery page.

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--->> I could put plug in filters in it....like alien skin exposure....so I will have a nice starting point

Have to work with LR more to come up with other needs.
According to Schewe, this will be possible to make when the plugin API for Lightroom is available. And if I recall correctly, this was supposed to be made available after the 1.0 release (again according to Schewe). So this will apparently become possible sometime soon.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: julian_love on April 18, 2007, 03:08:06 pm
1) A proper Folder tree that works like the folders in the Finder/Windows Explorer. Let me create, rename, move folders etc and have these reflected in the OS.
2) Soft proofing
3) Noise reduction pre-sets like in RSP
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: photo570 on April 18, 2007, 06:18:02 pm
The need to work over a network is critical. I know it has been raised before , both here and elsewhere. And the reason given by Jeff (please forgive me if this is incorrectly attributed) was that most photo studios are small/one man operations. This may be so, I am a prime example, I am a small studio working in Auckland, New Zealand, for local editorial and advertising clients. But even I have more than one Mac, and not just the desktop/laptop thing. I also have a partner who does most of the post production, but some times we both do, to meet deadlines. So currently Lightroom doesn't work for us. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Lightroom. But until the "library" can reside on a server, and be accessed by more than one operator at a time, perhaps along the lines of the "Version Cue" model used in Creative Suite, it will not be a major part of our workflow. Sorry guys.

Jason Berge.

PS: A little off topic, but relevant I thought, especially considering another of the busy threads today. A small point for the whole Photoshop/Lightroom/DNG team. With the issue of medium format digital backs and reliability, someone mentioned that when they bought their new back they kept their old one as backup. A very sensible idea I thought. Also for some types of work, older backs are still useful. I do a lot of editorial product work, where the 6mp files out of an old Leaf Cantare are perfect. If I sent them Valeo files for there 20 shot per page layouts, they would freak. Unfortunately I can't quite work with the MOS files from my six year old camera in any of the new Adobe programs. Apples latest update to the OS has just enabled it to generate thumbnails in the finder for the Valeo and newer backs, which has "accidently" enabled the older MOS files as well, but only in B&W.  "Old soldiers never die" and all that. I still expect to be using the Cantare in another 10 years, the files don't appear to be that dis-similar to the newer generation. Please make DNG an option at the very least, so people can use their older cameras alongside newer ones in an integrated workflow.

Cheers
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Schewe on April 18, 2007, 07:48:32 pm
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Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Gary Sloman on April 18, 2007, 11:16:57 pm
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This thread is intended to be a compilation of the flaws in Lightroom.  What needs to be fixed in the next version?  What is not working properly?  What causes crashes?  What features should be added?  What did Adobe fail to include that is in equivalent software?

We can post on the Adobe web site until the next millenium and our individual suggestions might never be noticed.  On the other hand, several of the participants on the forum are directly identified with the design of the software.  Hopefully they will forward our combined suggestions.
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The reject flag does not work properly.  When viewing a slide show, if I type "x" an overlay comes up indicating that the photo has been flagged as rejected.  However, it has not.   I use slide show for a first viewing and the x key function would be quite useful - if it worked.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: damien on April 22, 2007, 10:59:53 am
Full support for Phase One files would be nice.

If you plug in a CF card with Phase One RAW's Lightroom pretends to import them but it only imports the thumbnails. The work around is to download the CF card files to the hard drive and then ask Lightroom to import the folder. Once this folder is in Lightroom you can then ask for DNG conversion. It's a bit of a pain to say the least. I expect it's Phase Ones fault for chosing .tif as the extension for it's RAW files.

Any better workarounds out there?

Damien.

PS: I love Lightroom and welcome further development.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: BFoto on April 22, 2007, 11:48:34 am
Auto keyword generation for Virtual Copies and Grayscale.

While in develop it would be nice for these 2 keywords to be auto generated for a particular image one is working on if VC or GS are chosen. This would save the hassle of going back to the library to the create keywords for each image, and would allow you to view all VC or GS images if so desired at a later date.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: CliffSamys on April 22, 2007, 06:10:17 pm
Auto Import moves new files, rather than copying them, to the destination folder, despite what the text says in the Auto Import Setting window.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: davidlsmith on April 22, 2007, 06:54:40 pm
1.  I am SO frustrated with lightroom!  Why in the world do only the thumbnails with the three dots that show in the current view get processed?   If I have an entire folder of 1000 or more images and each image has the three dots,  I want ALL the images to process regardless of whether or not I actually see them in the current view.   I don't want to have to hold LR's hand and scroll to the next set of images so it can keep updating. This is a huge time waster.   Is this not a no brainer or am I missing something?  


2.  It shouldn't be hard to render a couple hundred or so images at a simple screen resolution.   This is how I edit.   I view each image one by one full screen.  Using the arrow keys,  I click to the next image, the next image...and so on.   I like to go FAST and I like a good fully rendered image the instant I hit the arrow key.   When an image comes up that I like, I flag it or tag it as a "pick" with the P key.     Heres what  really drives me crazy...only the images that show in the current view when I switch back to grid view get processed into images large enough to view full screen without taking at least 1 second to two to render.     Once all the "dots" are gone in grid view, I can then switch back to full screen view and continue blazing along clicking from one image to the next.    I would be a happy camper if I could just walk away and have LR render a couple thousand images into screen resolution.  Unfortunately,  In order for it to render an entire folder of a 1000 or so images,  I have to pretty much "baby sit" the program by switching back and forth between grid (so it will render everything in the current view) and then back to full screen view so I can continue flipping speedily through the images at screen resolution.   Once I have made it through all the images that were updated in the grid view,  if I keep flipping,  I have to wait a good 1 second or so for the next full screen image to become clear.  1 second sounds like I am just impatient but at the speed with which I edit,  and comparing it to the preview speeds in Adobe Bridge,  or even ACDsee,  where there is no wait time at all,  I consider this to be a major flaw.

I want to believe that I am missing something...some setting somewhere or something.  I have searched everywhere high and low and have tried everything....render standard previews etc.  (You would think that rendering previews would do just what I am wanting)

Sighhhhh....this is such an awesome piece of software.  Its got so much going for it.  Unfortunately,  because of the problems stated above,  I have a serious love/hate relationship with this program.  Right now, I am in the hate part.  Yesterday, I was loving it.  I love being able to select a bunch of images in the library and do quick exposure adjustments to whole selections of images etc.   Ok...I'm exhausted.  Others have pointed out issues that I also would like to see changed.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: cstanfill on April 24, 2007, 02:57:04 pm
Here are the biggest issues I ran into:

1. Importing from a PS Elements 4.0 catalog was buggy and incomplete. I think this may have been because I have .jpg and .nef files for the same images in some directories, but in any event the import was not completely successful. Moving the NEF's out of the way seemed to work around the problem.

2. The fact that it cannot import both NEF and JPG images in the same directory is a major transitional issue for me. I've got lots of images where I've processed NEF to JPG. Lightshop throws away the processed JPGs.

3. Lightroom makes minimal allowance for JPG in the workflow. The way you get into photoshop is via .PSD or .TIF, which eats a LOT of disk storage. I'd prefer to go Lightroom->PSD->Photoshop CS3->JPG, with the PSD going away and the JPG ending up in the catalog.  Having a 5 MB NEF AND a 35 MB PSD (16-bit mode) is kinda excessive.  A first-generation max-quality JPG is just fine as the end-point of my workflow.  Lightroom pretty much makes this workflow impossible.

4. In a lot of my older images, the EXIF 'date' is the date I did my post-processing and the 'Capture Date' is the date I shot the images. The thumbnails only let you put the Date, not the capture date, on the border. Come on now, that shouldn't be hard to fix.

5. The color calibration in Lightroom remains inferior to Nikon Capture when working with NEF data. I vastly prefer Lightroom's overall workflow, but I shouldn't have to compromise on quality. Adobe's known for a long time that they lose on quality to Capture, they really ought to solve this fundamental problem.

6. Importing images is excruciatingly slow.

7. In develop mode, the main image shimmies and shakes as various sliders are moved. Pretty annoying.

8. Library search facilities are really primitive.

That's about it. Overall I really like the Lightroom workflow, I just with Adobe would get it right. Long-term, I think they will and this will become a great piece of software. Right now, I'm not sure its up to snuff.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Paul33 on April 24, 2007, 03:14:44 pm
1. After "tab" away the side panels in the Library, one loses any indication of the image magnification. I would like to see the magnification moved to the lower task bar.

2. I'll "me too" the speed concern. I too am prepared to do something else while LR builds the high-quality previews, but once this is done I want to move between these previews with "no" hesitation.

3. In Develop I would like to have an option to change the cursor from the "hand" to "crosshairs" so that I was sure to which point the RGB readings referred.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Carl Dahlke on April 24, 2007, 04:32:06 pm
The error report produced by importing from an existing location needs to be:

1. printable or storable in a file - if you have more than a few import errors the dialog box is useless.

2. It would be nice for the stored or printed report to indicate what error was found upon for each file.

The import function needs to be more robust, I've had problems with hundreds of files including dozens of raw files from a Canon 1Ds that open fine in ACR.  Importing current work from a CF card seems to be fine.  Processing legacy images from disk is almost problematic.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: BFoto on April 24, 2007, 08:29:25 pm
Hi

Would like to have the option to turn on or off as desired to automatically apply a keyword for 2 crucial actions in Develop.

Creating Virtual Copies and/or Grayscale images.

Making virtual copies on hundreds of images can be a little hard to follow. Some don't make the cut or get left behind. It would be nice to able to bring all of them up together using keywords so as to further manage.

Vewing all of ones' black and white images, generated by pressing the grayscale function, either via a virtual copy or snapshot, would be made easy if a keyword was generated upon this action.

Cheers
Brad
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: notko on April 25, 2007, 04:26:13 am
All of the above and...

It'd be nice to be able to set sharpening/noise reduction values while making adjustments in Develop and  having an option to disable them when developing the images (Export and Edit in…)

Best regards,
Notko
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Pete JF on April 25, 2007, 10:11:09 am
A very simple selection tool, like a featherable lasso, for making rough adjustments in a non-destructive RAW state...Like Lightzone, except better.

Of course I realize that this would steal to much fire ($) from full blown PS, but it sure would be great.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: DavidW on April 27, 2007, 10:25:20 am
Stacks don't round-trip between Bridge CS3 and Lightroom 1.0 (both are the released versions on Windows). I realise it isn't possible to round-trip this data if the files are in different folders. However, if all the stacked files are in the same folder, it just needs code adding to Lightroom to handle the stack data in the .BridgeSort file (analogous to the way it can be set to handle the XMP sidecars).

Another CS3 problem, already mentioned in this thread, is that you can't open a file as an ACR Smart Object in Photoshop CS3. Again, this can't be hard to fix - even if all that can be taken into Photoshop are the 'develop' settings - those equivalent to the ACR 4.0 settings - that's fine for me. Having to fire up Bridge or load the file manually into Photoshop CS3 to get this functionality by virtue of setting Lightroom to put the parameters in an XMP sidecar is a nuisance.

Something goes very wrong on my system (Windows XP Professional SP2, Kaspersky AntiVirus for Windows Workstations 6.0.2.678) when files are on a network share expressed in UNC format - \\SERVER\SHARE. The SYSTEM process gets pegged at or around 50% on this dual processor box when that's the case. It's seemingly not Kaspersky Antivirus' fault - if I disable on-access file scanning, it still happens. Close Lightroom (or only use files on local hard disks) and the problem goes away. I've seen other people complaining about this - it looks like a bug and I should probably report it to Adobe.

Finally for now, these two have been wished to death, but I'll add a "me too" - release the SDK (a Noise Ninja plug-in would be very useful for me) and laptop sync facilities.



David
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Christopher on May 01, 2007, 04:58:53 am
It really looks, that the SPEED depends on the computer used, I'm totally happy with the speed and don't need it any faster. ( Info: 17.000 images in libary )

What I really want:

1. BIGGER IMAGES, the only reason why I still have to use Bridge is because Lightroom can't handle images larger than 10.000px, come on plz such a limitation is so old fashoined.

2.Local adjustment tools ala Photoshop masks, or Lightzone system

3.Don't need sharpning at all, Ok perhaps a better output sharpening.

4. Better noise reduction would be great, but not that important.

Point 1 and 2 are way more important for me especially point one. PLZ get that done.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: marclile on May 01, 2007, 11:22:35 am
Well...  I guess one good thing is that everyone seems to agree that the layout and workflow that lightroom provides is really great.  I would agree with the previous post that ISO in the metadata browser would be kind of helpful, for me at least.  But the main thing for me has got to be a speed improvement.

I agree with davidlsmith, the fact that lightroom only processes the thumbnails that are visible on the screen is a bit stupid.  I do the same thing that he said, have to sit there and wait for the current screen to finish just so i can scroll down one more screen and wait again.

so, i don't really want/need anything to be added.  i love the features that are already there.  it does almost everything i need it to do, it just needs to do it faster  
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: wellman on May 03, 2007, 07:46:26 am
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Can you comment on the SDK timeframe?  Thanks...
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: stevestrickman on May 03, 2007, 12:23:30 pm
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This thread is intended to be a compilation of the flaws in Lightroom.  What needs to be fixed in the next version?  What is not working properly?  What causes crashes?  What features should be added?  What did Adobe fail to include that is in equivalent software?

We can post on the Adobe web site until the next millenium and our individual suggestions might never be noticed.  On the other hand, several of the participants on the forum are directly identified with the design of the software.  Hopefully they will forward our combined suggestions.
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Please see my posting on the compact flash card causing LR to crash. It was listed yesterday.  That should definitely be fixed.

In the Slideshow module, you cannot change the order of the photos.  We need to have some way of dragging the photos to put them in the order we want.  Secondly, the only way to add text to the individual photos is to put something in the caption line in the metadata.  That doesn't work very well and the sizing doesn't work even if you move the template around. There needs to be an easier way to put in text.

Carol Strickman
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Schewe on May 03, 2007, 04:27:24 pm
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Can you comment on the SDK timeframe?  Thanks...
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No...
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: flash on May 04, 2007, 05:24:29 am
1. In develop module using windows, using the mouse wheel to adjust settings is way too aggressive in almost all field. Adjustments should be smal and even (eg: white balance in 100 kelvin or exposure in 1/10 stops)

2. Fix the bugs then add features/make changes. Especially the out of memory error.

Gordon
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: jani on May 09, 2007, 07:27:58 am
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No...
That's a shame.

It's one of the things I'm itching in my fingers for, because I had some ideas about plugins that I might want to make myself.

Fortunately(?), though, I haven't had anywhere near the time needed for that, so the delay hasn't really hurt me.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: jdyke on May 09, 2007, 08:52:48 am
My 'suspicions' would be that we will see the first update on V1.0 in the next few months (pleassse....Mr Adobe   ).    This may be to add new Camera capability rather than any major improvements but I am hopeful we may see one or two updates and fixes.

Shame the SDK has been delayed as Jeff Schewe has mentioned I would love to see a Photokit Sharpener plugin (Jeff Schewe & co at PixelGenius) as the Sharpening is very lame indeed.  I am sure Jeff would too    


Also a Noise Reduction plugin would be a handy.  

Either that or Adobe make some significant headway in both areas as these really are the only thing which means a round trip to Photoshop for me (ok - High Pass/local Contrast as well but I can live without this bit).

Fingers Crossed......  

Jon
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: mattSee on May 13, 2007, 03:41:43 pm
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This thread is intended to be a compilation of the flaws in Lightroom.  What needs to be fixed in the next version?  What is not working properly?  What causes crashes?  What features should be added?  What did Adobe fail to include that is in equivalent software?
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I like Lightroom and will continue using it.

Things I hope are "fixed".

1.  Collections are very effective way to combine directories that have similar
     images.  Collections can overlap and can be equivalent to a project.  
     So a workflow based on collections should be fully supported by LR.
     i.e. All functionality including for example stacking (for similar images)
     available when working on collections.   So stacks need to span directories.  

2.  Computer slows down too much when importing.  Importing needs to run as
     a background job or at a lower priority.

3.  Autoimporting is pretty strange.  I would like to instead define a directory(s)
     with the option to include subdirectories that lightrooom monitors for any new
     files.  Then I could use the BreezeBrowserDownloader to simply add files
     directly to the monitored directory.  Seems to be a double move otherwise.

4.  As I understand not all of the information in the RAW files is being used
     since some of it is proprietary.  Sometimes DPP seems to create better
     looking images even though there is not as much control.  But I could
     be wrong here.  Perhaps Adobe could do a deal with Canon?

5.  JPEG output would be very desirable.
 
6.  As a DAM tool it would be good if LR handled more file types.

7.  Must be made faster, esp faster previews.

8.  CA correction does not work well for me.  Other plugin software in PS is
     much much more effective.

9.  Sharpening and Noise control needs to be extensible using plugins.

10. In grid mode I would like to see ISO, Speed, F-stop.

11. The clone/heal tool is a little jumpy and difficult to use.

12. More global edit tools in LR would be great.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Schewe on May 13, 2007, 03:57:36 pm
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4.  As I understand not all of the information in the RAW files is being used
     since some of it is proprietary.  Sometimes DPP seems to create better
     looking images even though there is not as much control.  But I could
     be wrong here.  Perhaps Adobe could do a deal with Canon?
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Ain't gonna happen in your lifetime unless photographers demand that Canon and Nikon stop using undocumented and proprietary file formats...this is simply not something Adobe can do anything about...Adobe HAS developed a standard raw file format that some cameras use...but Canon and Nikon claim (incorretly) that THIER formats are "better" for their cameras...horsecrap...
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: CaptnWil on May 14, 2007, 03:13:00 pm
The backup on import from a CF Card needs to be fixed so that it does a real backup.

Here is how it works now:

1.It creates a sub-folder under the one you specify.  Its name includes the date imported.

2.  It copies the files from the CF card with their CF card names to the created sub-folder.

3.  You have lost any connection with the files you renamed and the backed up files.

4.  In case of a hard disk failure, the only way to use these files is to import them again.  Then you have lost all the editing you have done in the pase.

5.  It is useless.

LR needs to back up files on import to the exact folders selected with the exact file names as defined in the import dialog.  How else could it be useful?

Wil
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: digitaldog on May 14, 2007, 03:59:56 pm
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5.  It is useless.

Wil
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Its not useless, its not what you want. It is useful. Many of us used it on the recent Amazon tour with Michael (Michael included).

You're on location. You have a laptop and you've shot 8 gigs of images. You want to back up the images from the card to two locations. That's it. We used two external drives for safety and to free up space on the laptops.

Once I import all the files into LR and build useful stuff in the database, that's easy enough to backup or clone. But for ingestion of images, the feature does just what I want it to do.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: CaptnWil on May 14, 2007, 05:30:59 pm
Well we disagree.  I want the backup to have the same file name as the import.  Why would I care about the file name on the CF card?  Once the file is on more than one hard disk, I don't care about the original file name.  Why do you care about it?

DownloaderPro allows me to download CF cards to any folder and TWO backup locations with the same file names.  That gives me the raw files in three locations --three different hard disks.  They all can be used with the same database I make edits with with the initial download if the original download gets corrupt or I lose the hard disk.  With different file names, I lose all the editing I have done if I must go back to the CF card file names.

If I'm missing something, please tell me.

Wil

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Its not useless, its not what you want. It is useful. Many of us used it on the recent Amazon tour with Michael (Michael included).

You're on location. You have a laptop and you've shot 8 gigs of images. You want to back up the images from the card to two locations. That's it. We used two external drives for safety and to free up space on the laptops.

Once I import all the files into LR and build useful stuff in the database, that's easy enough to backup or clone. But for ingestion of images, the feature does just what I want it to do.
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Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Schewe on May 14, 2007, 06:37:48 pm
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If I'm missing something, please tell me.
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Well, you sure are pretty fixated on renaming on import-which if shooting raw (unless you convert to DNG) could arguably be considered a bad thing...see, a lot of people seem to be hooked on the "old style" of file organization...until you get the poijnt where you have an edit and final images, I greatly prefer NOT to rename on import, only on export...
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: CaptnWil on May 14, 2007, 07:21:05 pm
Please educate me as to how you use a backup in LP that has diffenent file names from the imported file names when you lose a disk, but have preserved the database because you backed it up with your edits.

I am always open to education, but I can't see the logic in the current process.

Wil

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Well, you sure are pretty fixated on renaming on import-which if shooting raw (unless you convert to DNG) could arguably be considered a bad thing...see, a lot of people seem to be hooked on the "old style" of file organization...until you get the poijnt where you have an edit and final images, I greatly prefer NOT to rename on import, only on export...
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Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Schewe on May 14, 2007, 11:32:29 pm
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Please educate me as to how you use a backup in LP that has diffenent file names from the imported file names when you lose a disk, but have preserved the database because you backed it up with your edits.
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Well, I simply don't rename imported files...so the images imported from a card and backed up to a secondary location have the same file names. Since I'm doing my image organization inside of Lightroom, I simply don't care what the file names are-just that they are not duplicated nor at risk of being overwritten. I use Collections and extensive use of metadata for file organization...not image renaming.

If I want to rename for a client, I rename when exporting the image file.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: zlatko-b on May 14, 2007, 11:59:17 pm
The one feature I would really, really like to see added is keyboard shortcuts for all of the quick develop adjustments:  exposure, recovery, fill, blacks, brightness, contrast, vibrance, auto tone and reset. For example, press ctrl and + to increase exposure.  It's much easier to have a few memorized keyboard shortcuts than to mouse over to little arrows or sliders on the screen.  I need to adjust many thousands of images each year and I would much rather do it with keyboard shortcuts than with mouse movements.  

My workaround for this has been the XKeys, which I've programmed so that single keystrokes on its keyboard execute certain mouse movements and clicks in Lightroom's Library module.  Programming the XKeys for Lightroom and Photoshop was a bitch.  If Lightroom only had these keyboard shortcuts I could breeze through nearly all of the adjustments I need to make even without the XKeys.  I could also reduce two-key combinations on the regular keyboard to single keystrokes on the XKeys, or possibly to single keystrokes on the regular keyboard's function keys.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: CaptnWil on May 15, 2007, 09:07:41 am
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Well, I simply don't rename imported files...so the images imported from a card and backed up to a secondary location have the same file names. Since I'm doing my image organization inside of Lightroom, I simply don't care what the file names are-just that they are not duplicated nor at risk of being overwritten. I use Collections and extensive use of metadata for file organization...not image renaming.

With that work flow, LR works almost as expected and serves your purpose, but it still creates sub-directories that you didn't command.  I suspect that you will have a larger problem than expected if, or when, you need the backups.  I suspect you will have to manually find at least one image for each day you imported any files --that could be hundreds of days.

But yours isn't the only workflow, and LR purports to allow for a workflow that renames files on import.  This is where I argue that the backup on import is flawed and dangerous.

At least, LR should warn that the imported files and backup files will have different names and a different folder structure.  LR really should be changed to allow the user to backup anyway he desires with any file names he desires.  Can you think of any other application that changes file names without warning the user?

It really is great to have such a forum where we can debate in a meaningful way.

Wil
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: macgyver on May 15, 2007, 06:39:27 pm
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Can you think of any other application that changes file names without warning the user?

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Probably something from Microsoft.  
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: CaptnWil on May 15, 2007, 07:39:49 pm
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Probably something from Microsoft. 
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Well, I guess you had to ssy that, but now you must include LightRoom.

Wil
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: marty m on July 06, 2007, 02:36:51 am
My impression is that version 1.1 addressed only a few of the items listed in this thread, so we should try to keep this active.  Hopefully Schewe and others are passing along the suggestions.  One can only hope.
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
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Then I would suggest re-reading the thread...lots of stuff already mentioned is already in 1.1. Some stuff like Soft Proofing and Local Color/Tone corrections are BIG things that likely won't eppear in a dot release...and yes, the Lightroom engineers have plenty of things they want to do...
Title: List of flaws and needed revisions to version 1.0
Post by: Ed in Tucson on September 27, 2007, 10:16:36 pm
After making the slide show, I assigned it an url; the automation goes away. A person has to scroll through the show instead of selected slide duration.