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Equipment & Techniques => Medium Format / Film / Digital Backs – and Large Sensor Photography => Topic started by: Tomas Johanson on February 21, 2007, 12:05:43 pm
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Could it be possible to shift a digital back in right and left direction on an Alpa 12 with an custom made adapter? The camera itself is built for larger format than the modern digital backs. But maybee the construction is to tight build.
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Could it be possible to shift a digital back in right and left direction on an Alpa 12 with an custom made adapter? The camera itself is built for larger format than the modern digital backs. But maybee the construction is to tight build.
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You can mount the DB on the front of SWA12 and lens on the back, turn the camera 90 degree, this way you may achieve some degree of left-right shift for stitch. I am using a P45 of Contax fitting and can do this by switching the mounting plate. However, since the back of SWA12 is flat, you can rotate the DB on the back, when mounting on front, you can only mount horizontally. So you are not able to get a panoramic picture, in stead, you can get a stitched shot that is closer to square.
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What I would like is a smaller version of the Alpa XY.
If you intend on using only Rodenstock HR lenses,like me,the shift that the XY allows is overkill!
30mm front and back would be great!
Cheers.
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Could it be possible to shift a digital back in right and left direction on an Alpa 12 with an custom made adapter? The camera itself is built for larger format than the modern digital backs. But maybee the construction is to tight build.
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Hi Tomas,
I am in much/less the same position and I tried to see if anybody had any solution or perhaps Digital Sliding Back will simply do it. After a while I found out there is nothing for 12SWA that will shift the Digital Back. So, you definitely need a sliding adapter to do the proper job, but the ALPA 12SWA is so small and light camera for that anyways. Personally, I always prefer to refer to it as Leica of Medium Format.
However, I am looking to also purchase the bigger version of ALPA, XY model and there you have more then plenty of possibilities. I asked Kapture Group about making the sliding adapter for me and they are happy to make one including the Quad-stitch sliding adapter that I believe is a very good idea but not entirely ready with regards to performance on every camera out there. So basically on some camera works less then satisfactory and on some perfect.
I am waiting for my Cameras, so until then I can't say more.
Regards
Danijela
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I have been in contact with Alpa,regarding a sliding back.
They were advising against it ,because of the strict tolerances that are involved.
Especially with the extreme wides.
You can't see much on a standard ground glass + you need a fresnel.
Hence the HR lenses are better,because they are faster.
It's depending a lot on your shooting style.
Personally I'm hoping that this Live Video will work out.
All we need is a sexy 10 inch MacBook Pro.
Danijela,
have you looked at the Arca Swiss R line?
I'm looking at that at the moment as well.
Regards,
Willem.
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Danijela,
have you looked at the Arca Swiss R line?
I'm looking at that at the moment as well.
Regards,
Willem.
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Hi William,
I did look at the Arca Swiss R line, but they don't take ALPA
Lenses and you know that I prefer to have Leica like camera
that fits Digital LF lenses.
So with ALPA 12SWA & ALPA XY: I can't go wrong, simply
because to me it's like having Leica & Ebony related to each other
and both using the same ultra fine LF Digital Lenses.
Regards
Danijela
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Doesn't Arca allow Schneider and Rodenstock?
Or do you want to use dedicated Alpa mounted lenses?
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Doesn't Arca allow Schneider and Rodenstock?
Or do you want to use dedicated Alpa mounted lenses?
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Of course Arca allows Schneider and Rodenstock lenses, but my point
across was that I prefer to have Leica like camera option that fits Digital LF lenses that you could walk with if need be. I don't believe Arca gives me that option. I will quote my self below:
So with ALPA 12SWA & ALPA XY: I can't go wrong, simply
because to me it's like [span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']having [/span][span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']Leica & Ebony related to each other
and both using the same ultra fine LF Digital Lenses[/span].
More mobile & convinient for me, that's all.
Regards
Danijela
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Point taken!
And it does makes sense!
I'm glad you have deep pockets like me!
Regards,
Willem.
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Hi William,
I did look at the Arca Swiss R line, but they don't take ALPA
Lenses and you know that I prefer to have Leica like camera
that fits Digital LF lenses.
So with ALPA 12SWA & ALPA XY: I can't go wrong, simply
because to me it's like having Leica & Ebony related to each other
and both using the same ultra fine LF Digital Lenses.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela
Have you looked at the Cambo Wide Compact(Leica digital solution)?
the shutter release is like a 35mm integrated in the hand grip..unfortunately the current model camera has no movement. The LF digital lenses also fit the Cambo WDS ( handholdable Ebony solution) and you can also shoot 4x5 film with the appropriate lenses.
But as you say with an Alpa you can't wrong.......the XY is bigger and more expensive but you have the option of shooting 120 film on both with the right lenses.
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Danijela
Have you looked at the Cambo Wide Compact(Leica digital solution)?
the shutter release is like a 35mm integrated in the hand grip..unfortunately the current model camera has no movement. The LF digital lenses also fit the Cambo WDS ( handholdable Ebony solution) and you can also shoot 4x5 film with the appropriate lenses.
But as you say with an Alpa you can't wrong.......the XY is bigger and more expensive but you have the option of shooting 120 film on both with the right lenses.
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Few years ago Alpa did have the sliding back platform, usnig Alpa lens of course, but not on WA body. I think the WA or SWA allow only 6X9 which was why at that time Alpa built another module for the sliding/stitching mechanism, and now they offer XY. I have tried to have my dealer to build the special sliding mechanism for me, I can't make it on Alpa SWA12, but I did have a working prototype to have Phase One back to work with my Linhof 6X12 leses, which is a sliding mechanism in itself, with a lens mount duplicated from Linhof. I think eventually everyone can build a sliding back to use Alpa lens but then it's a question of achieving Alpa XY quality so may be simply bying XY is easier. Horseman SW-D2 is also a good choice, with all the wide angle lenses (24mm Digitar, 28mm HRD and 35mm Digitar) and sliding mechanism, works with multiple backs with adaptors.
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Hi William,
I did look at the Arca Swiss R line, but they don't take ALPA
Lenses and you know that I prefer to have Leica like camera
that fits Digital LF lenses.
So with ALPA 12SWA & ALPA XY: I can't go wrong, simply
because to me it's like having Leica & Ebony related to each other
and both using the same ultra fine LF Digital Lenses.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
IMHO you are so correct and on the right track: You can't go wrong with ALPA. I've owned an ALPA 12SWA for more than a year and I plan on purchasing the ALPA XY for many of the same reasons you delineate. Let me add another reason: No matter where you've purchased your equipment, the people at ALPA personally stand by their products and take pride in their products. I'm a "gearhead" with an engineering background and really appreciate a beautifully conceived and delivered product.
I too often refer to the ALPA + Phase One back as a medium format version of the Leica M. Except with the ALPA combination I have medium format quality with the ease of use like the Leica.
BTW: I don't work, or own stock in the company. . . .just my 2 cents
Best of luck to you,
eveS
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Danijela
Have you looked at the Cambo Wide Compact(Leica digital solution)?
the shutter release is like a 35mm integrated in the hand grip..unfortunately the current model camera has no movement.
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I have to admit I didn’t pay any attention to Cambo Wide Compact because just from
A distance it looked a bit more robust than ALPA 12 SWA and with ALPA 12 SWA the moment I tried it I new that was it, even though I have to do my home work later. Now, my home work is done and I know that I can’t go wrong with ALPA.
ALPA simply offers more flexible models I guess, for example: If I wanted to go really small without any movement I could even go smaller than ALPA 12 SWA and still be more practical and more mobile. Actually ALPA 12 TC is so small that it can easily fit in my New Year's purse, and I can still use the same LF digital lenses.
[span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']DIGITAL BACK is my problem, which one?[/span]
Other then that, I can’t go wrong with ALPA, period. If I buy ALPA XY and ALPA 12 SWA I asked if I deserve to receive a gift or discount, they asked if I had any Idea? and I just said an ALPA 12 TC , so what more could I ask?
I never ever do anything irrationally. So, again my home work is done.
WAITING FOR DELIVERY is next step.
But as you say with an Alpa you can't wrong.......the XY is bigger and more expensive but you have the option of shooting 120 film on both with the right lenses.
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Perhaps it is expensive and it’s not for everyone, but considering what is out there,
I know I am going to be more then just fine.
Regards
Danijela
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I have to admit I didn’t pay any attention to Cambo Wide Compact because just from
A distance it looked a bit more robust than ALPA 12 SWA and with ALPA 12 SWA the moment I tried it I new that was it, even though I have to do my home work later. Now, my home work is done and I know that I can’t go wrong with ALPA.
ALPA simply offers more flexible models I guess, for example: If I wanted to go really small without any movement I could even go smaller than ALPA 12 SWA and still be more practical and more mobile. Actually ALPA 12 TC is so small that it can easily fit in my New Year's purse, and I can still use the same LF digital lenses.
[span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']DIGITAL BACK is my problem, which one?[/span]
Other then that, I can’t go wrong with ALPA, period. If I buy ALPA XY and ALPA 12 SWA I asked if I deserve to receive a gift or discount, they asked if I had any Idea? and I just said an ALPA 12 TC , so what more could I ask?
I never ever do anything irrationally. So, again my home work is done.
WAITING FOR DELIVERY is next step.
Perhaps it is expensive and it’s not for everyone, but considering what is out there,
I know I am going to be more then just fine.
Regards
Danijela
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Alpa 12TC is not only more compact, it is in fact more versatile. 12TC allow more accessory shoe so adding a small flash, radio slave and so on more conveniently than the bigger SW12 or SWA12. I somehow wish XY will have its smaller brother avaialble, not as big.
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You can mount the DB on the front of SWA12 and lens on the back, turn the camera 90 degree, this way you may achieve some degree of left-right shift for stitch. I am using a P45 of Contax fitting and can do this by switching the mounting plate.
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I´ve got this demonstrated at Photokina last year and it helps in some situations. My idea is to use the front to shift up and the back to shift left and right.
What I would like is a smaller version of the Alpa XY.
If you intend on using only Rodenstock HR lenses,like me,the shift that the XY allows is overkill!
30mm front and back would be great!
Cheers.
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Same here, XY is just more than I need. I like to travel light. (Perhaps not so light sometimes!)
I have been in contact with Alpa,regarding a sliding back.
They were advising against it ,because of the strict tolerances that are involved.
Especially with the extreme wides.
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This means it can be done!
Of course it´s fine with strict tolerances but in the other end they talk about guestimation for focus control. It´s two different things, I know, but a little funny!
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Hi Tomas,
I am in much/less the same position and I tried to see if anybody had any solution or perhaps Digital Sliding Back will simply do it. After a while I found out there is nothing for 12SWA that will shift the Digital Back. So, you definitely need a sliding adapter to do the proper job, but the ALPA 12SWA is so small and light camera for that anyways. Personally, I always prefer to refer to it as Leica of Medium Format.
However, I am looking to also purchase the bigger version of ALPA, XY model and there you have more then plenty of possibilities. I asked Kapture Group about making the sliding adapter for me and they are happy to make one including the Quad-stitch sliding adapter that I believe is a very good idea but not entirely ready with regards to performance on every camera out there. So basically on some camera works less then satisfactory and on some perfect.
I am waiting for my Cameras, so until then I can't say more.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Danijela,
I think I will buy an Alpa 12SWA, I just like the camera, but I dont´t want to have more cameras than necessary.
XY is overkill for me so if I can put some XY function in Alpa 12 I will be happy and this seems to be possible. A local friend have made adapters for my Roundshot so I think he can make one for Alpa.
Regard,
Tomas
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Alpa 12TC is not only more compact, it is in fact more versatile. 12TC allow more accessory shoe so adding a small flash, radio slave and so on more conveniently than the bigger SW12 or SWA12.
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Even better then I thought, I guess more anticipation until I receive the equipment.
I somehow wish XY will have its smaller brother avaialble, not as big.
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You mean younger sister?
Regards
Danijela
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Even better then I thought, I guess more anticipation until I receive the equipment.
You mean younger sister?
Regards
Danijela
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Or perhaps a baby XY?
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Hi Danijela,
I think I will buy an Alpa 12SWA, I just like the camera, but I dont´t want to have more cameras than necessary. XY is overkill for me so if I can put some XY function in Alpa 12 I will be happy and this seems to be possible.
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I agree, take your time, especially because XY will always be there if you change your mind. I have been trying to find the proper adapters through several sources but I failed. So, as far as I am concerned both 12 SWA & XY have there own advantages & with both of them in my corner I am not the one to worry. Therefore, I already decided I will buy both, because even if there was 100% adequate adapter for it, it won’t come cheap, so we will see.
I must admit, I asked them about the gift or discount also, and when they asked me what do I have in mind? I said ALPA 12 TC, it would be a shame to disappoint them, especially if they say yes.
A local friend have made adapters for my Roundshot so I think he can make one for Alpa.
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Is your friend working for Seitz? if not comfortable, you can PM.
Regards
Danijela
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I agree, take your time, especially because XY will always be there if you change your mind. I have been trying to find the proper adapters through several sources but I failed.
Is your friend working for Seitz? if not comfortable, you can PM.
Regards
Danijela
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No, at that time he was selfemployeed in his own little company. Today he work as an employee at a mechanical firm here in Sweden. They have to much to do so the question are if he have time for this!
When I bought my Roundshot220VR, Seitz own lens adapters was just for Leica and Nikon. I already had fine Contax lenses so the way to go was to make an adapter for my lenses.
Nowdays Seitz have own Contax adapters!
The picture shows the adapter for Contax and a shift adapter for Hasselblad (it uses a standard extension tube).
It´s proffessional done and works perfect.
I shall discuss the shift adapter problem with him.
Regards,
Tomas
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Hello all.
On the Alpa forum is since today a statement with their opinion about sliding adapters online.
http://www.alpa.ch/modules/forum/board_entry.php?id=117 (http://www.alpa.ch/modules/forum/board_entry.php?id=117)
Regards
Stephan
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Hello all.
On the Alpa forum is since today a statement with their opinion about sliding adapters online.
http://www.alpa.ch/modules/forum/board_entry.php?id=117 (http://www.alpa.ch/modules/forum/board_entry.php?id=117)
Regards
Stephan
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yes i know his opinion about that. all i can say is speakin with these engeneers make me sometimes tired and so it doesit also if i listen this proudness about 1/100 or 1/1000mm tolerances.
no problem with the gottschalt sliding back regarding these concerns, anyway he cannot know it cause just 2 have been made....... so he should not say ALL. i.m.o.
the HR lenses i use with open apertures sometimes, a thing what noone would ever do with his favouritised schneider lenese.... never i struggled about these tolerances.
its advertisement i.m.o.
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Please be more precise when giving feedback (yes, precision is also required in communications
As I read it, he doesn't say ALL, the sentences are "in our eyes / following our experience". Regarding their sales figures compared to the ones of your camera builder, there might be a slight experience advantage for Alpa? At least they get far more feedback from the field.
Also no mention of 1/1000 mm, the required, means visible in the end result, tolerances are 1/10 for film, 1/100 for digital. This should also be known to your camera builder, I doubt that Gottschalt is able to change the laws of physics?
Stephan
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Please be more precise when giving feedback (yes, precision is also required in communications
As I read it, he doesn't say ALL, the sentences are "in our eyes / following our experience". Regarding their sales figures compared to the ones of your camera builder, there might be a slight experience advantage for Alpa? At least they get far more feedback from the field.
Also no mention of 1/1000 mm, the required, means visible in the end result, tolerances are 1/10 for film, 1/100 for digital. This should also be known to your camera builder, I doubt that Gottschalt is able to change the laws of physics?
Stephan
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stephan, to be more precise here i am NOT a fan of gottschalt and i think the alpa manufactoring is more precise in handscraft and also much ore elegant,- at least the 12 serial.....
i really love their cameras and more how they are made. if the new alpa would have been out at the time i bought the gottschalt i probably would have went with it,- or if the 12 would have sideshifts, although the sliding back for sure would be a feature which i would miss a lot.
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Thanks Rainer, that clarifies it :-)
I think, it's kind of investment protection by going a safe and proven way instead of walking alone. It can be extremely successful, but it's not guaranteed. As there are so many uncertainties (like color casts) and movement in the area of digital backs it might be a better bet to work on a stable platform that adapts easily to these changes.
Stephan
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Thanks Rainer, that clarifies it :-)
I think, it's kind of investment protection by going a safe and proven way instead of walking alone. It can be extremely successful, but it's not guaranteed. As there are so many uncertainties (like color casts) and movement in the area of digital backs it might be a better bet to work on a stable platform that adapts easily to these changes.
Stephan
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I couldn’t agree more.
Regards
Danijela
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Hello all.
On the Alpa forum is since today a statement with their opinion about sliding adapters online.
http://www.alpa.ch/modules/forum/board_entry.php?id=117 (http://www.alpa.ch/modules/forum/board_entry.php?id=117)
Regards
Stephan
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Good enough to know that they are moving forward with some other interesting and firm ideas, even though by reading the link on some of the available material I would like their prices to be more adequate for others if it's possible at all. Other then that, I was pleasantly surprised to find them practically ahead of everybody else.
Regards
Danijela
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Or perhaps a baby XY?
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Perhaps, but as far as I am concerned ALPA XY is more then I need, although if I had to
decide between the one that offered less and the one that offers more, you don't need
to have PhD to get my answer on this one. Having said that, if they could make a smaller/baby
version of XY and find it to be commercially viable, then why not? I am all for it.
Regards
Danijela
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No, at that time he was selfemployeed in his own little company. Today he work as an employee at a mechanical firm here in Sweden. They have to much to do so the question are if he have time for this!
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How convenient to have a friend like that.
When I bought my Roundshot220VR, Seitz own lens adapters was just for Leica and Nikon. I already had fine Contax lenses so the way to go was to make an adapter for my lenses.
Nowdays Seitz have own Contax adapters!
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Smart move.
The picture shows the adapter for Contax and a shift adapter for Hasselblad (it uses a standard extension tube).
It´s proffessional done and works perfect.
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Thanks, I appreciate that.
I shall discuss the shift adapter problem with him.
Regards,
Tomas
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Ask you friend if he is also able to make the adapter for Linhof 6x17 where the digital back is placed to be at the same location as the film plane so that infinity focus could be possible.
I found few solutions before, but I didn’t bother that much since I didn’t have a Digital Back. However, now I feel it is time to do the research again and make it possible.
Perhaps, anybody else reading that could advise a bit more ?
Oh, not to forget Dr.Gilde from Germany I believe, he did it already on his 6x17 camera and the guy is Perfectionist I hear.
Perhaps, Ranier knows some more?
Regards
Danijela
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Anybody willing to share some info when traveling Air/etc. with ALPA system?
Bags, tripods, tips to consider, etc.? would be highly appreciated.
Regards
Danijela
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Anybody using » [span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']LINHOF Multi-Focal Viewfinder on ALPA 12 SWA?
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All critiques are welcome !!!
Regards
Danijela
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Point taken!
And it does makes sense!
I'm glad you have deep pockets like me!
Regards,
Willem.
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Hi william,
Deep pockets? You mean deep bags, considering how much everything else like DB, etc. costs.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
I've never looked through one, but I believe it will not cover wide angles. B and H stocks them.
I went through the same process I think you're going through-- that is, trying to figure the best way to compose and focus with the Alpa. I thought maybe the Alpa optical viewfinder along with a laser meter might work, but the wide angle viewfinder is distorted and the view is tiny. If the photography you do requires careful focus and composition, I don't see how this idea will work. But it depends on your personal style of working and what you photograph. For me, it doesn't feel like photography if I'm not actually seeing through the lens.
The only solutions I see are either working tethered (which will not work for me) or using the ground glass. I'm in the process of getting the ground glass solution refined-- such as a custom made gg screen for 35mm and wider, and a custom made bracket to hold a reflex viewer in place.
The only downside to this solution is you have to take the back on and off, which for me has not been a problem (knocking on wood!)
Will Connor
Anybody using » [span style=\'font-size:12pt;line-height:100%\']LINHOF Multi-Focal Viewfinder on ALPA 12 SWA?
[/span]
All critiques are welcome !!!
Regards
Danijela
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Hi william,
Deep pockets? You mean deep bags, considering how much everything else like DB, etc. costs.
Regards
Danijela
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Less expensive than film
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Less expensive than film
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Debatable, but I can't ever talk against FILM.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
I've never looked through one, but I believe it will not cover wide angles. B and H stocks them.
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I've never looked through one too, but I heard it will cover wide angle lenses. So I guess,
we will see what happens if I purchase it or when I get some more info.
I went through the same process I think you're going through-- that is, trying to figure the best way to compose and focus with the Alpa. I thought maybe the Alpa optical viewfinder along with a laser meter might work, but the wide angle viewfinder is distorted and the view is tiny. If the photography you do requires careful focus and composition, I don't see how this idea will work. But it depends on your personal style of working and what you photograph. For me, it doesn't feel like photography if I'm not actually seeing through the lens.
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Same here, I would prefer to see through the lens too, but I dislike the idea of looking at the ground glass and removing US$30,000 DB frequently.
Perhaps, your new idea will work so we can share it.
The only solutions I see are either working tethered (which will not work for me) or using the ground glass. I'm in the process of getting the ground glass solution refined-- such as a custom made gg screen for 35mm and wider, and a custom made bracket to hold a reflex viewer in place.
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Working tethered is fine by me, especially if I purchase P45+. Apparently it is going to be wireless, so I couldn’t ask for more.
The only downside to this solution is you have to take the back on and off, which for me has not been a problem (knocking on wood!)
Will Connor
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I think working tethered in wireless mode is wonderful, you should reconsider.
Regards
Danijela
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I wouldn't keep your hopes up with wireless!
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I wouldn't keep your hopes up with wireless!
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Why not?
Regards
Danijela
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Anybody willing to share some info when traveling Air/etc. with ALPA system?
Bags, tripods, tips to consider, etc.? would be highly appreciated.
Regards
Danijela
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I travel with a hard case. In November 2006 I damaged my 24 mm. Digitar when I used a leica soft case during a trip. I traveled light, my TC had my eMotion mounted on the alpa and 24mm was mounted on it as well. It was damaged when the case in the overhead bin was pressed with a piece of luggade. The 24mm is fragile and I am sure that it should travel dismounted in a separate case, not on a camera. My 35mm is more solid and rigid and I had no problems with it. Fortunately, I was able to repare the lens in St.Petersburg.
Yevgeny
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Why not?
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
just go to the Phase One website and see where it's being mentioned.
It's not possible to send a large Raw file wireless.
Maybe a small Jpeg.
However that would be enough.
Leaf had that feature allready.
Let's just wait and see.
Cheers,
Willem.
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Danijela,
just go to the Phase One website and see where it's being mentioned.
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Bellow is the exact word for word statement from their website, it takes a while to find it because their website is updated every week, but it's there. Even better, sign-in with your email address for additional updates/News or talk to one of the phase dealers. I was told they are aiming for September 2007
[span style=\'font-size:13pt;line-height:100%\']• The first ever high performance true wireless image transfer of previews and RAW images will become the standard for Phase One shooters. This functionality will be offered to all existing and new owners of Phase One fully portable digital P-backs.[/span]
Anybody with more info and willing to respond is more then welcome!!!
It's not possible to send a large Raw file wireless.
Maybe a small Jpeg.
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OK, I'll give you benefit of the doubt until it is released.
However that would be enough.
Leaf had that feature allready.
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I didn't know that, what happened?
Let's just wait and see.
Cheers,
Willem.
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I agree, before you turn me in to Phase dealer
Regards
Danijela
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I travel with a hard case. In November 2006 I damaged my 24 mm. Digitar when I used a leica soft case during a trip. I traveled light, my TC had my eMotion mounted on the alpa and 24mm was mounted on it as well. It was damaged when the case in the overhead bin was pressed with a piece of luggade. The 24mm is fragile and I am sure that it should travel dismounted in a separate case, not on a camera. My 35mm is more solid and rigid and I had no problems with it. Fortunately, I was able to repare the lens in St.Petersburg.
Yevgeny
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Would you let me know the model of the hard case you purchased and if you still feel about traveling with 24xl dismounted in a separate case, not on a camera?
Is there a hard case/adequate box that Rodenstock/Shneider makes for their LF Digital lenses?
Regards
Danijela
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Bellow is the exact word for word statement from their website, it takes a while to find it because their website is updated every week, but it's there. Even better, sign-in with your email address for additional updates/News or talk to one of the phase dealers. I was told they are aiming for September 2007
[span style=\'font-size:13pt;line-height:100%\']• The first ever high performance true wireless image transfer of previews and RAW images will become the standard for Phase One shooters. This functionality will be offered to all existing and new owners of Phase One fully portable digital P-backs.[/span]
Anybody with more info and willing to respond is more then welcome!!!
OK, I'll give you benefit of the doubt until it is released.
I didn't know that, what happened?
I agree, before you turn me in to Phase dealer
Regards
Danijela
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Sorry about that Danijela,
last time I checked it wasn't mentioned on their site.
Now that's coming it's certainly a +
Willem.
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Sorry about that Danijela,
last time I checked it wasn't mentioned on their site.
Now that's coming it's certainly a +
Willem.
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the wireless solution in the phase + backs will be based on the wifi N standard which really is the first usable wireless standard for the large raw files...it also has a nice long range....still:think ethernet 10/100 speed, not USB or FW.....
the leaf solution was bluetooth and only worked for previews to an ipaq.....worked great it was nice to be able to hand the client the ipaq and he could watch the files come in....think instant polaroid with every shot....sometimes there were connection problems, the usual stuff....
phase has been talking about wireless for a while, but they realized that the right standard (enough speed) has to come along....now it is here, built into every (later) macbook and macbook pro and works great....
the upgrade will be (what else is new) a paid upgrade for the P+ backs and should be available fall/winter 2007....
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Danijela,
Wireless sounds nice, assuming there is a tablet pc that has a high enough quality screen for critical focus evaluation. (I don't know if there is or not.) I certainly would not want to haul around and deal with a Macbook in the field whether it's tethered or wireless.
Because this is not live preview, you would still have to compose with an optical viewfinder-- which is a deal-breaker for me.
I think it's actually much easier to pop the back and the ground glass on and off. With a top quality ground glass and fresnel screen ( not the one supplied by Alpa), the view is excellent.
I would encourage you to try all this out on a trial basis, if you can, before committing.
Good luck!
Will
I've never looked through one too, but I heard it will cover wide angle lenses. So I guess,
we will see what happens if I purchase it or when I get some more info.
Same here, I would prefer to see through the lens too, but I dislike the idea of looking at the ground glass and removing US$30,000 DB frequently.
Perhaps, your new idea will work so we can share it.
Working tethered is fine by me, especially if I purchase P45+. Apparently it is going to be wireless, so I couldn’t ask for more.
I think working tethered in wireless mode is wonderful, you should reconsider.
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
Wireless sounds nice, assuming there is a tablet pc that has a high enough quality screen for critical focus evaluation. (I don't know if there is or not.) I certainly would not want to haul around and deal with a Macbook in the field whether it's tethered or wireless.
Because this is not live preview, you would still have to compose with an optical viewfinder-- which is a deal-breaker for me.
I think it's actually much easier to pop the back and the ground glass on and off. With a top quality ground glass and fresnel screen ( not the one supplied by Alpa), the view is excellent.
I would encourage you to try all this out on a trial basis, if you can, before committing.
Good luck!
Will
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there is [a href=\"http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ModBook]this solution[/url].....the modbook...touchscreen....very nice.....
P45+ has live preview....
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The new eMotions will have Live Video as well.
That's why they are called e-54 LV and e-75 LV
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Danijela,
Wireless sounds nice, assuming there is a tablet pc that has a high enough quality screen for critical focus evaluation. (I don't know if there is or not.) I certainly would not want to haul around and deal with a Macbook in the field whether it's tethered or wireless.
Because this is not live preview, you would still have to compose with an optical viewfinder-- which is a deal-breaker for me.
I think it's actually much easier to pop the back and the ground glass on and off. With a top quality ground glass and fresnel screen ( not the one supplied by Alpa), the view is excellent.
I would encourage you to try all this out on a trial basis, if you can, before committing.
Good luck!
Will
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What's wrong with the one supplied by Alpa?
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there is this solution (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ModBook).....the modbook...touchscreen....very nice.....
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Hi Paul,
I agree, pricey but very nice in deed. Did you have a chance to play with one?
the P45+ has live preview....
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Of course it does, I think I'll be fine with one. The only thing that bothers me though is the second cable for the wake up call, everything else seats fine.
Regards
Danijela
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What's wrong with the one supplied by Alpa?
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Hi Willem,
Don't know, waiting for delivery.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Paul,
I agree, pricey but very nice in deed. Did you have a chance to play with one?
Of course it does, I think I'll be fine with one. The only thing that bothers me though is the second cable for the wake up call, everything else seats fine.
Regards
Danijela
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no, they will be shipping in a couple of weeks....it is a macbook with a wacom/cintiq screen (pretty much)...no keyboard (can be added with bluetooth)....this looks like the best "touchscreen" for any dback....the cheapest version would do the trick anyway....they might offer conversion kits later this year....
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Would you let me know the model of the hard case you purchased and if you still feel about traveling with 24xl dismounted in a separate case, not on a camera?
Is there a hard case/adequate box that Rodenstock/Shneider makes for their LF Digital lenses?
Regards
Danijela
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Danijela,
I have two hard cases now. The biggest one ia an Amabilia, I am not sure what model it is. You can see the Amabilia cases at: [a href=\"http://www.amabilia.it/products/index.php3]http://www.amabilia.it/products/index.php3[/url]
I use the Amabilia case when I travel with the Alpas and my 6008 and lenses. The case is indestructible and heavy (about 5-6 kilo). Unfortunately the case does not have a laptop compartment.
I have a smaller case. It is a cheap Chinese Vangard plastic thing. It is light with foam inserts. It takes my 12 SWA, TC and three lenses. I have a 35mm digitar mounted on the TC, with the back. The 12 SWA goes separate, than two other lenses in the plastic boxes, the viewfinder, the expodisc and filters and a box of e-Wipe.
I usually put the plastic case in my Lancel overnighter, alongside my ibook or a powerbook. So I do not look as a pro travelling ( and I am not). I usually have lighter old ibook with me because I use Brumbaer eMotionReader on my ibook to upload images from the back or cards.
After the disaster with the 24mm, I built two plastic cases for my lens (11 x11 x 18 for the helvetar, and 11 x 11 x 14 for the 35mm) and put some foam inside to absorb shock . I have not seen any profesionaly made cases for lenses.
Tripod: I had some problems with the airlines when thaveling with my tripod / monopod. They do not let to have a tripod or even a monopod on board with the handluggage.
Regards,
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Danijela,
Wireless sounds nice, assuming there is a tablet pc that has a high enough quality screen for critical focus evaluation. (I don't know if there is or not.)
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I know there is one for sure, now is it up to your standards or not, that is the question I guess. Personally I am fine with both (PC or Mac) Better performance if you get a Mac,
but even that is probably debatable. I can see the difference anyway, so I’ll vote for Mac, especially because I have both and the truth is Mac is faster.
I certainly would not want to haul around and deal with a Macbook in the field whether it's tethered or wireless.
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That is what I thought at first. I figured later that the change is inevitable. I am sure one of these days you will ask your self a simple question, why not?
Because this is not live preview, you would still have to compose with an optical viewfinder-- which is a deal-breaker for me.
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This is why I am looking for the Linhof Viewfinder which will help along with live preview which is available.
I think it's actually much easier to pop the back and the ground glass on and off. With a top quality ground glass and fresnel screen ( not the one supplied by Alpa), the view is excellent.
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I remember you said something about getting the ground glass solution refined, such as a custom made gg screen for 35mm and wider, and a custom made bracket to hold a reflex viewer in place.
Did you make any progress so far?
I would encourage you to try all this out on a trial basis, if you can, before committing.
Good luck!
Will
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I would definitely try, but as I said before I am against a frequent removal of US$ 30,000 Digital Back.
Regards
Danijela
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I know there is one for sure, now is it up to your standards or not, that is the question I guess. Personally I am fine with both (PC or Mac) Better performance if you get a Mac,
but even that is probably debatable. I can see the difference anyway, so I’ll vote for Mac, especially because I have both and the truth is Mac is faster.
That is what I thought at first. I figured later that the change is inevitable. I am sure one of these days you will ask your self a simple question, why not?
This is why I am looking for the Linhof Viewfinder which will help along with live preview which is available.
I remember you said something about getting the ground glass solution refined, such as a custom made gg screen for 35mm and wider, and a custom made bracket to hold a reflex viewer in place.
Did you make any progress so far?
I would definitely try, but as I said before I am against a frequent removal of US$ 30,000 Digital Back.
Regards
Danijela
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shooting with mamiya RZ and 645afd i can say that the only downside to this set-up is ahving to switch the back from camera to camera.....and i shoot mostly studio....any solution that involves taking the back off for focusing is not acceptable in my book.....between the screen on the back itself, hyperfocal, measuring distances or a tethered solution there really should be a way.....
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I'd be interested to know how well the wireless live preview on the both the Aptus and Phase backs works. Is it black and white only (as I read in Michaels Aptus review) and is the refresh rate slow? I could imagine it being very nice if it were part of the camera itself (like the live preview of a digicam), but using it as a separate unit, whether wireless or not, would be awkward for me.
I'm having Bill Maxwell of Maxwell Precision Optics, make a powerful ground glass and fresnel screen for the 35 and wider. SK Grimes, in Rhode Island, will be devising a bracket for the Hass. Rmfx reflex viewer.
Will
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hi Will,
I think you are "mixing" up "wireless transfer" of data and files with "Live Video" feature.
The live video (or live preview) is enabling, through the use of the CCD as a kind of video chip, the view of the subject in low resolution on a computer screen and with a refreshing rate of a few frames per second (faster in B&W than in Colour): this to be able to frame/crop, focus, etc ..., and to check almost live the result on your monitor: this is always done via Firewire transfer, up to now.
The wireless transfer of data or files, previews with low res or full resolution files is something different: it is the transfer of the actual captured images/files. The WiFi standards have allowed wireless transfer of previews (low res = small file size) up to now, the new standards will allow the transfer of bigger sized files (full res) in the coming future.
Hope this helps,
Thierry
I'd be interested to know how well the wireless live preview on the both the Aptus and Phase backs works. Is it black and white only (as I read in Michaels Aptus review) and is the refresh rate slow? I could imagine it being very nice if it were part of the camera itself (like the live preview of a digicam), but using it as a separate unit, whether wireless or not, would be awkward for me.
I'm having Bill Maxwell of Maxwell Precision Optics, make a powerful ground glass and fresnel screen for the 35 and wider. SK Grimes, in Rhode Island, will be devising a bracket for the Hass. Rmfx reflex viewer.
Will
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Thierry,
will the eMotion range have a WiFi option,like the Phase One + series?
Can it be added later as with the Canon and Nikon WiFi transmitters.
Just curious,
Regards,
Willem.
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Hi Willem,
Don't know, waiting for delivery.
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Danijela.
May I ask where you ordered it? With which lenses? And did you get the discount you mentioned before?
Stephan
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Dear Willem,
Sinar will certainly have wireless data transfer in the future: but I honestly don't know today how near or how far this future is. As I said, we shall announce new products and new features when we have it ready.
Best regards,
Thierry
Thierry,
will the eMotion range have a WiFi option,like the Phase One + series?
Can it be added later as with the Canon and Nikon WiFi transmitters.
Just curious,
Regards,
Willem.
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Dear Willem,
Sinar will certainly have wireless data transfer in the future: but I honestly don't know today how near or how far this future is. As I said, we shall announce new products and new features when we have it ready.
Best regards,
Thierry
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Dear Thierry,
I am a e22 shooter( lpa and 6008 AF).With the introduction of a LV option for my eMotion in the future I hope to use the LV on my Alpa with my copal and Rollei 6008 lenses. Should I buy a Sinar LC shutter to use my back in the LV mode on Alpas ?
Thank you,
Yevgeny
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Dear Yevgeny,
No, no need of a LC shutter with the eMotion. All you need is to send it back to factory for an upgrade.
Hope this answer.
All the best,
Thierry
Dear Thierry,
I am a e22 shooter( lpa and 6008 AF).With the introduction of a LV option for my eMotion in the future I hope to use the LV on my Alpa with my copal and Rollei 6008 lenses. Should I buy a Sinar LC shutter to use my back in the LV mode on Alpas ?
Thank you,
Yevgeny
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Dear Yevgeny,
No, no need of a LC shutter with the eMotion. All you need is to send it back to factory for an upgrade.
Hope this answer.
All the best,
Thierry
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Dear Thierry,
It is a very good news indeed. Thank you for your prompt reply. When we will be able to send backs to Sinar?
Kind regards,
Yevgeny.
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Dear Yevgeny,
We plan to have the new eMotion 54 with Live Video and the eMotion 75 LV available by end of March. The upgrade should then as well be available. For your information, the upgrade of the e22 to the e54 LV is not just including the Live Video feature, but as well some new internal hardware and electronics.
The best is to get in touch with your local distributor SBF in Moscow, or with Sinar Area Sales Manager, Mrs. Helga Frorath (helga.frorath@sinarcameras.com).
Best regards,
Thierry
Dear Thierry,
It is a very good news indeed. Thank you for your prompt reply. When we will be able to send backs to Sinar?
Kind regards,
Yevgeny.
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Dear Yevgeny,
We plan to have the new eMotion 54 with Live Video and the eMotion 75 LV available by end of March. The upgrade should then as well be available. For your information, the upgrade of the e22 to the e54 LV is not just including the Live Video feature, but as well some new internal hardware and electronics.
The best is to get in touch with your local distributor SBF in Moscow, or with Sinar Area Sales Manager, Mrs. Helga Frorath (helga.frorath@sinarcameras.com).
Best regards,
Thierry
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Dear Thierry,
I will contact SBF next week.
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Yevgeny
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The new eMotions will have Live Video as well.
That's why they are called e-54 LV and e-75 LV
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Good News!
Any idea when? Did they increase the ISO?
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
end of March (see my post above). Same ISO settings but improved long time exposure.
Thierry
Good News!
Any idea when? Did they increase the ISO?
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Danijela.
May I ask where you ordered it?
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Foto Care
With which lenses?
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I was promised to test 28HR, apparently it did not arrive yet. So I guess wait more or
go straight to 24xl and then add 28HR. I am also looking to purchase 47XL decentered.
And did you get the discount you mentioned before?
Stephan
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Tricky one, still waiting on that. I will know more next week.
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Danijela,
end of March (see my post above). Same ISO settings but improved long time exposure.
Thierry
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Why not improve ISO also?
Regards
Danijela
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The screen supplied by Alpa not very bright. Bill Maxwell makes great screens.
What's wrong with the one supplied by Alpa?
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Hi Thierry,
Thanks for trying to clarify this for me.
Will any of the Live Video that's being developed by Phase, Sinar and Leaf be viewable on the LCD of the back, or is this strictly a tethered (wireless or not) solution?
Will
hi Will,
I think you are "mixing" up "wireless transfer" of data and files with "Live Video" feature.
The live video (or live preview) is enabling, through the use of the CCD as a kind of video chip, the view of the subject in low resolution on a computer screen and with a refreshing rate of a few frames per second (faster in B&W than in Colour): this to be able to frame/crop, focus, etc ..., and to check almost live the result on your monitor: this is always done via Firewire transfer, up to now.
The wireless transfer of data or files, previews with low res or full resolution files is something different: it is the transfer of the actual captured images/files. The WiFi standards have allowed wireless transfer of previews (low res = small file size) up to now, the new standards will allow the transfer of bigger sized files (full res) in the coming future.
Hope this helps,
Thierry
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The screen supplied by Alpa not very bright. Bill Maxwell makes great screens.
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Hi Will,
Is there a link to Bill Maxwell's website?
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Thierry,
Thanks for trying to clarify this for me.
Will any of the Live Video that's being developed by Phase, Sinar and Leaf be viewable on the LCD of the back, or is this strictly a tethered (wireless or not) solution?
Will
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i can only speak for phase...the live preview is a tethered only solution....
if you get a chance to use it you will know that it really does not make sense on the LCD screen....
why my much cheaper sony R-1 has a lcd screen with live preview with overlayed levels and highlight warnings and none of the backs can do it....i guess for live preview the shutter has to be open and the sensor actually controls the exposure? something like that....
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Maxwell Precision Optics:
http://www.mattclara.com/maxwell/index.html (http://www.mattclara.com/maxwell/index.html)
Hi Will,
Is there a link to Bill Maxwell's website?
Regards
Danijela
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Hi Will,
Is there a link to Bill Maxwell's website?
Regards
Danijela
Maxwell Precision Optics:
http://www.mattclara.com/maxwell/index.html (http://www.mattclara.com/maxwell/index.html)
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Thank you Will.
Regards
Danijela
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Dear Paul,
yes, this is as well the case with Sinarbacks and the live video feature. IMO it really makes no sense to have it on the display of the back: it is technically probably possible, and as you say it, the sensor is then active all the time. But live video is basically used to check the croping/framing, but mainly to set perspective (view point & possible shifts) and focus (sharpness plane with possible tilt and/or swing): this is impossible to check precisely on a back display.
Best regards,
Thierry
i can only speak for phase...the live preview is a tethered only solution....
if you get a chance to use it you will know that it really does not make sense on the LCD screen....
why my much cheaper sony R-1 has a lcd screen with live preview with overlayed levels and highlight warnings and none of the backs can do it....i guess for live preview the shutter has to be open and the sensor actually controls the exposure? something like that....
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Dear Paul,
yes, this is as well the case with Sinarbacks and the live video feature. IMO it really makes no sense to have it on the display of the back: it is technically probably possible, and as you say it, the sensor is then active all the time. But live video is basically used to check the croping/framing, but mainly to set perspective (view point & possible shifts) and focus (sharpness plane with possible tilt and/or swing): this is impossible to check precisely on a back display.
Best regards,
Thierry
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I remembered when Shiriro demonstrated the H3D39 for me, the live view is available on the back, which may be useful if the back is on a camera platform like Alpa. However, the live view is of very low refreshing rate, and really it needs to be on a very sturdy tripot to make it really useful, not like the one on 1D MK3 as it is tested. When I receive my H3D39 this Tuesday or Wednesday I will confirm this.
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OK, Kaisern, interesting to know. If this is the case, with a very low refreshing rate, most probably they are rather sending kind of previews shot in a regular interval. Might be helpful though, in some situations.
Thanks and let me (us) know,
Thierry
I remembered when Shiriro demonstrated the H3D39 for me, the live view is available on the back, which may be useful if the back is on a camera platform like Alpa. However, the live view is of very low refreshing rate, and really it needs to be on a very sturdy tripot to make it really useful, not like the one on 1D MK3 as it is tested. When I receive my H3D39 this Tuesday or Wednesday I will confirm this.
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Can someone explain the technical reasons why I can have excellent live preview on the back LCD of my Fuji pocket camera, but not on the LCD of a medium format digital back?
Thanks,
Will
I remembered when Shiriro demonstrated the H3D39 for me, the live view is available on the back, which may be useful if the back is on a camera platform like Alpa. However, the live view is of very low refreshing rate, and really it needs to be on a very sturdy tripot to make it really useful, not like the one on 1D MK3 as it is tested. When I receive my H3D39 this Tuesday or Wednesday I will confirm this.
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Dear Will,
as said, this is technically possible, however and for precise settings of focus, shifts, tilts and swings, it is more or less useless. Although it might be usefull for some applications, to see live the framing and croping.
Something to consider may be, keeping in mind that activating the sensor for live video will heat up this same sensor, which again has then an influence on noise (need to do a black ref before the shot).
Thierry
Can someone explain the technical reasons why I can have excellent live preview on the back LCD of my Fuji pocket camera, but not on the LCD of a medium format digital back?
Thanks,
Will
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