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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: dgberg on May 02, 2022, 12:33:29 pm
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I have the software and it can run my Dye Sub F570 and solvent S80600 but find it quite quirky at best and could use some help.
I still print all photography from Lightroom but really need a rip for the S80600.
Since the printer was used no RIP came with it and the new Onyx is $3000, a little much for right now.
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I never even installed the Epson Edge RIP for my F570, its so easy to just print out of photoshop. I do miss some of my rip features, but not enough to spend the money on a real rip for the F570. I really like the Ergosoft RIPs running my 9900 & 11880, but same price point around $3,000. I'm really curious to see how you like the 80600 for canvas, I'm still thinking about making that switch. Good luck!
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Tech is here today to replace one of the heads. Gosh I hope it is only one.
Just left. 2 new heads. To the tune of $5100. had to put on my big boy pants for that one but man does it print nice.
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I looked at the Epson RIP for the first time the other day. I use colorbyte software's Imageprint. But the Epson RIP was really hard to look at. I did one test print and decided that I would never use it. It seems like a checkbox marketing item but I can't imagine people actually using it.
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Do you know which Epson Rip it was, Caldera, Onyx or Wasatch? They are all a little too expensive for me anyway. Imageprint does not support the s80600. (At least the last time I checked.)
If I am able to load custom profiles into Epson Edge it should be all I need.
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You 'need' a "RIP" to do exactly what that the other "RIP" (print driver) doesn't accomplish???
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Do Epson's commercial solvent printers have "drivers" like their aqueous machines do? Because afaik nobody else does that, so yeah, you'd need a RIP. Edge Print can't be THAT bad can it?
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Dan, did you have a look at "proofmaster (http://www.proofmaster.net/)"?
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Will check it out, thanks.
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Do Epson's commercial solvent printers have "drivers" like their aqueous machines do? Because afaik nobody else does that, so yeah, you'd need a RIP. Edge Print can't be THAT bad can it?
No drivers, you do need a rip of some sorts.
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What model of Epson printer has no Epson supplied print driver?
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What model of Epson printer has no Epson supplied print driver?
I would assume everything made for the industrial print market, just like anything from Mutoh, Mimaki, Roland, etc. Edge Print IS the driver-- You pretty much need to have control over advanced options like ink limiting in order to take advantage of all the different types of media you can use, plus many large signage shops use a single RIP to drive whole fleets of printers, normally from a dedicated computer set up with hotfolders accessible via network
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I would assume everything made for the industrial print market, just like anything from Mutoh, Mimaki, Roland, etc. Edge Print IS the driver-- You pretty much need to have control over advanced options like ink limiting in order to take advantage of all the different types of media you can use, plus many large signage shops use a single RIP to drive whole fleets of printers, normally from a dedicated computer set up with hotfolders accessible via network
IF Edge Print IS the driver-, then "No drivers, you do need a rip of some sorts." isn't accurate.
Who releases a printer without a driver?
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Technically there is a driver for communication (generally only if using USB) but if we're talking symantics here, if the machine only connects over a network, and the data is processed in a RIP then sent to the machine over ethernet, you wouldn't actually need to install anything resembling a "driver" on your local machine. In this sense a driver would be just be the method of communication with whatever generic USB chipset epson pulled off the shelf and threw into these machines. Usually you don't need to even install that if you don't intend to use it that way.
So then technically the RIP is NOT a driver, but instead something that creates generic halftone data with a channel for each color and each possible dot size, puts it in a lightly proprietary format, and sends it over the network to the printer, which now has very little processing left to do.
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A RIP is a Raster Imaging Processor.
http://digitaldog.net/files/ToRIPorNotoRIP.pdf
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What model of Epson printer has no Epson supplied print driver?
I stand corrected. They do have a driver utility and a comm driver package but you cannot print from it, at least I can't. (Would just love to keep printing from Lightroom with my custom profiles, anyone?)
With the cheapo Epson Edge Print Rip it now prints and icc profiles can be down loaded to the media guide Epson dashboard.
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I stand corrected. They do have a driver utility and a comm driver package but you cannot print from it, at least I can't.
You can't print from it appears to be the issue.
Everyone? Unlikely. I suggest tech support.
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According to this Epson User's Guide for the S40600 / S60600 / S80600 on Page 22 — "Note: Printer drivers are not provided. A software RIP is required for printing. The Epson Web site provides software RIPs and plug-ins for the printer."
https://download.epson-europe.com/pub/S40600_S60600_S80600_User_Guide.pdf (https://download.epson-europe.com/pub/download/6028/epson602801eu.pdf)
https://epson.net/rip/S80600_Supporting_RIP_List (https://bizijdevelopers.ebz.epson.net/rip/s80600_01/index.php)
The printer was supplied with ONYX GamaPrint Pro RIP software when purchased new. What was the reply from Epson when you inquired whether you could obtain a replacement for the original RIP software for the used printer you purchased?
Have you contacted Epson support to see if a replacement is sold or available if the original is no longer available to you? They may be helpful in replacing it or they may not, but they likely want to help you get your printer moving ink and media thru it in order to sell you more consumables.
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According to this Epson User's Guide for the S40600 / S60600 / S80600 on Page 22 — "Note: Printer drivers are not provided. A software RIP is required for printing. The Epson Web site provides software RIPs and plug-ins for the printer."
RIP, Print Driver, there is this:
https://www.drivers-epson.com/epson-surecolor-s40600-driver/
Now a more modern OS? May be an issue but nothing unexpected.
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What does that driver do? What software will it connect with? What functionality does it have?
The primary question: Will that driver let you print from an Epson S80600 without RIP software?
Is Epson incorrect in telling users in their manual that "A software RIP is required for printing."?
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RIP, Print Driver, there is this:
https://www.drivers-epson.com/epson-surecolor-s40600-driver/
From the webpage you linked:
"drivers-epson.com is an independent website and is not associated with The Epson Company or Epson unless it is specified clearly.
The Epson Company or Epson brand name, trademark, image used on this website is just for reference only. We disclaim any ownership, rights of such third party products or copyright material unless otherwise specified. Read Our Full Disclaimer."
Epson drivers for the S80600 are located here:
https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/SureColor-Series/Epson-SureColor-S80600/s/SPT_SCS80600PE (https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/SureColor-Series/Epson-SureColor-S80600/s/SPT_SCS80600PE?review-filter=Windows+10+64-bit)
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The primary question: Will that driver let you print from an Epson S80600 without RIP software?
What else would a print driver do but allow you to print?
Isn't this clear?
Epson SureColor S80600 driver
Epson SureColor S80600 driver download Epson SureColor S80600 Single Function Inkjet printer Software and Drivers for Windows and Macintosh OS.
What is this 'RIP" other than a raster image processor? If you have raster data, and you have a print driver, what's being RIPped?
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From the webpage you linked:
"drivers-epson.com is an independent website and is not associated with The Epson Company or Epson unless it is specified clearly.
So that means:
1. It isn't an Epson Print driver and
2. Its purpose isn't to make prints with that printer?
What do you suppose that software does?
Epson drivers for the S80600 are located here:
https://epson.com/Support/Printers/Professional-Imaging-Printers/SureColor-Series/Epson-SureColor-S80600/s/SPT_SCS80600PE
The same questions apply.
Above and beyond this driver, there is this too:
https://epson.com/faq/SPT_SCS80600PE~faq-291974?faq_cat=faq-topFaqs
Which RIP software comes with my product?
ONYX GamaPrint Pro RIP software is supplied with the printer.
Is an ONYX RIP upgrade available?
Check with your local ONYX authorized reseller for availability.
Clearly, software, a print driver (if you must a print driver RIP) is supplied with the printer. It would be one expensive door stop without. ;)
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What else would a print driver do but allow you to print?
Isn't this clear?
No. It isn't clear at all. It's an assumption. It isn't even clear who the supplier of the driver is on the third-party website you linked.
What is clear from Epson's own support site and Epson's own User Guide for the S80600 printer is:
• Epson only lists drivers for Windows and none for Mac
• Epson states "A software RIP is required for printing."
• They supply a supported RIP with the printer
• They have a list of RIP software that supports the S80600
• There is no indication from Epson that you can print with an S80600 using software other than the RIP products that they list.
If you have knowledge to the contrary, the original poster would appreciate having some instructions on how to print from Lightroom using his recently acquired printer.
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No. It isn't clear at all. It's an assumption.
Please. No assumption; It is not used for scanning. ;D
This is very clear and the discussion before you got here: this Epson printer is provided with software to make a print. Even your post/link make this clear.
Yes: They supply a supported RIP with the printer.
This and other Epson printers do not come without one.
As to why Dan can not get it to work is another and perhaps a useful discussion.
Maybe whoever took his money for his recently purchased printer can answer how to print using his recently acquired printer.
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• Epson only lists drivers for Windows and none for Mac
Didn't you post this URL?
https://bizijdevelopers.ebz.epson.net/rip/s80600_01/index.php
Is Dan on a Mac? I didn't see him say so; did I miss that?
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What is this 'RIP" other than a raster image processor? If you have raster data, and you have a print driver, what's being RIPped?
You may "have raster data" and you may "have a print driver" and you may still be unable to print without RIP software. Even if you don't need the RIP software to perform raster image functions, you may still need its processor functions in order to process that rasterized image data into instructions that a specific printer model can understand.
Obviously, you do not need a RIP (Raster Image Processor) to create a raster if your image is already in a raster format as you do with vector formats. Once you have a raster image, it still needs to be processed into specific instructions to a printer to create a print. That's the processor part of a RIP and it has to be formatted in a way that a specific printer model can understand.
For certain commercial printers, some of the processor functionality required to print may reside inside of a software RIP product. For other printers, those functions are contained inside the more universal type of print drivers which can accept raster image layout and color management instructions directly from the computer's operating system or editing programs like Lightroom or Photoshop.
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You may "have raster data" and you may "have a print driver" and you may still be unable to print without RIP software.
Yup, if for example, you're trying to print Postscript data and raster data.
Even if you don't need the RIP software to perform raster image functions, you may still need its processor functions in order to process that rasterized image data into instructions that a specific printer model can understand.
Yes, printers need print drivers, no question. It's why they come with them. ;) Which was the topic, or part of the topic; that one Epson didn't (but of course, we agree, it did/does*).
Obviously, you do not need a RIP (Raster Image Processor) to create a raster if your image is already in a raster format as you do with vector formats.
Obvious to us. All kinds of users (many photographers) think they need "a RIP" when they need a print driver. Hence a very old article about this.
Once you have a raster image, it still needs to be processed into specific instructions to a printer to create a print.
Absolutely. Yes, printers need print drivers, no question. It's why they come with them. ;)
For certain commercial printers, some of the processor functionality required to print may reside inside of a software RIP product.
Or a print driver, yes.
For other printers, those functions are contained inside the more universal type of print drivers which can accept raster image layout and color management instructions directly from the computer's operating system or editing programs like Lightroom or Photoshop.
Yup.
But the bottom line here; when I asked (due to a comment far earlier that an Epson printer came with no driver/RIP): "What Epson printers come without a driver", the answer was, as I knew: none.
*Now someone purchased a used printer that came apparently without any software to use that printer.
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What else would a print driver do but allow you to print?
Drivers do not all perform the same functions. The functions, tasks, and routines which drivers perform will vary with specific products and drivers.
There are a lot of different instructions that a printer needs to perform various tasks. A printer driver can drive (produce instructions for) different functions of the printer: It might be designed to drive network communication, it might be designed to drive maintenance functions; it might be designed to drive utility functions and reports; it might be designed to drive production of a print from software capable of delivering instructions the printer can understand. It could be any combination listed, any one of them, or all of them combined.
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Drivers do not all perform the same functions.
That's kind of true for any software. I wish I could use Photoshop to do my book keeping and Quicken to convert color spaces but alas, I can't. ;D
There are a lot of different instructions that a printer needs to perform various tasks. A printer driver can drive (produce instructions for) different functions of the printer: It might be designed to drive network communication, it might be designed to drive maintenance functions; it might be designed to drive utility functions and reports, it might be designed to drive production of a print from software capable of delivering instructions the printer can understand. It could be any combination listed, any one of them, or all of them combined.
Yes, different print drivers and different RIPs provide different functions. Thankfully, all Epson printers come with something so the customer can make a print. They make the printer so much more useful. What they come with, of course, varies. What someone might purchase otherwise, of course, can vary.
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aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, dgberg, if you're still paying attention, I'd suggest you check out the demo of Dinax Mirage, they have a solvent edition for Epson, which can also be configured with a lightroom plugin. It's got a really great and easy interface, and although it'll still run you another $1K, it's a lot more geared toward "photography" than most RIPS out there. And it will run on a mac.
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aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, dgberg, if you're still paying attention, I'd suggest you check out the demo of Dinax Mirage, they have a solvent edition for Epson, which can also be configured with a lightroom plugin. It's got a really great and easy interface, and although it'll still run you another $1K, it's a lot more geared toward "photography" than most RIPS out there. And it will run on a mac.
Or: https://www.caldera.com/epson/
IF again, the requirement is Mac. Its M1 native.
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RIP, Print Driver, there is this:
https://www.drivers-epson.com/epson-surecolor-s40600-driver/
Now a more modern OS? May be an issue but nothing unexpected.
All that has been done, nothing is through Epson. Epson only supplies Onyx with the purchase of a new printer.
I called Onyx and gave them my outdated Onyx serial number. They will give me a $500 credit towards the upgrade to the latest Onyx Rip.
A $3000 program. Would have loved to give Imageprint a try but they do not support any commercial solvent printers.
For now the Epson Edge Print Rip works. As soon as I get the profiles from lexjet and Breathing Color I will see how good they are.
They may just be good enough. What I don't have is a print cut solution for vinyl and my Graphtec ce-7000.
Most of this software is Pc only and it is a true nightmare. I must jump back and forth between different software in Parallels.
That is why I may very well end up with Onyx as it is one of the best print cut solutions on the market.
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aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, dgberg, if you're still paying attention, I'd suggest you check out the demo of Dinax Mirage, they have a solvent edition for Epson, which can also be configured with a lightroom plugin. It's got a really great and easy interface, and although it'll still run you another $1K, it's a lot more geared toward "photography" than most RIPS out there. And it will run on a mac.
Thank you, checking it out as we speak.
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I was offered a £500 discount on Caldera, against my old efi express software - brought the cost of Caldera to £1200, for a 60" inkjet.
Just waiting to work out details before hopefully biting bullet.
Caldera will do cut as well, and plays nicely in appleville.
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All that has been done, nothing is through Epson. Epson only supplies Onyx with the purchase of a new printer.
I called Onyx and gave them my outdated Onyx serial number. They will give me a $500 credit towards the upgrade to the latest Onyx Rip.
A $3000 program. Would have loved to give Imageprint a try but they do not support any commercial solvent printers.
For now the Epson Edge Print Rip works. As soon as I get the profiles from lexjet and Breathing Color I will see how good they are.
They may just be good enough. What I don't have is a print cut solution for vinyl and my Graphtec ce-7000.
Most of this software is Pc only and it is a true nightmare. I must jump back and forth between different software in Parallels.
That is why I may very well end up with Onyx as it is one of the best print cut solutions on the market.
It seems you may not have the best understanding of the tech along with workflow and some potential revenue.
If you already have Edge Print running your printer as you say, appreciate it’s benefit of using the actual Adobe print engine which is guaranteed to RIP Adobe fonts and Adobe effects properly such as transparency and PDF options, especially. Consider costs of whatever license fee a RIP developer must ante-up, to say, Adobe, not to mention another premium fee involving anything Pantone, if applicable.
Consider the benefit of having an affordable PC drive printers and cutters while a much more expensive Mac is used to prepare files. The only particular note for the PC is for it to have a good deal of disk space because RIP files become quite large. As for preparing files on the Mac, I’m certain a great deal of time will be spent here, especially in Illustrator or the like.
Your new production capability has potential for vastly greater business opportunities. Think big, especially when purchasing materials because all such things are an unusual challenge these days. If Edge is already running your machine, waste no time making sellable products.
Edge uses an all-encompassing EMX file as a “profile.” An ICC profile is just a component of the package. Onyx uses an OML file in the same way. Those files drive practically every parameter of the printer not just with ink load and color accuracy but with screening, head pass, print size compensation, heater settings, and much more. Lexjet currently offers OML profiles for your machine. If you’re waiting for them to generate EMX profiles, consider what, and how, they need to go about that.
I recommend you download readily available EMX files for your machine and materials using the Epson Edge Dashboard as Epson intends. Because you’ve just had your machine serviced and you say it prints beautifully, you should be in good shape. Also realize that inkjet media may differ greatly with regard to their substrate, but many have the same coating among them and, therefore, can use the same printer settings. Further know, there a some tomes out there full of individual ICC profiles representing different media but are really a single profile only named differently.
Good luck.
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Good stuff.
Thank you
Dan
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It appears from another thread that you have the printer running. What did you decide to use as a RIP?
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I'm using ImagePrint Black RIP with my Epson P900. Unbelievable easy with excellent ICC profiles for every paper. The results and time saving are well worth the one-time investment.
Regards,
Bud James
Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography.
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It appears from another thread that you have the printer running. What did you decide to use as a RIP?
I have been using the Epson Edge Print Rip which has some good profiles and does a very good job.
I just lucked out and obtained a new copy of Onyx Game Print form someone that is not using it. Same software that comes with a new printer.
A complete print cut solution that will run the s80600 and Graphtec ce-7000 cutter.
Just finished teaching myself Epson edge and now I start all over again.
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I'm using ImagePrint Black RIP with my Epson P900. Unbelievable easy with excellent ICC profiles for every paper. The results and time saving are well worth the one-time investment.
Regards,
Bud James
Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography.
Would be nice but ImagePrint does not support any of the large commercial printers like mine. (At least it is not on the list.)
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I have been using the Epson Edge Print Rip which has some good profiles and does a very good job.
I just lucked out and obtained a new copy of Onyx Game Print form someone that is not using it. Same software that comes with a new printer.
A complete print cut solution that will run the s80600 and Graphtec ce-7000 cutter.
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity and bringing us up-to-date on your printer adventure.
Just finished teaching myself Epson edge and now I start all over again.
Ain't that the way of the digital age?!