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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Colour Management => Topic started by: spassig on November 23, 2021, 08:38:43 am
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Hello
I have installed Lumariver Profile Designer, see screenshots.
I have confirmed the use as a trial with OK.
From CaptureOne I have exported a TIF of the color map.
However, I can't open the TIF with LPD.
It is grayed out.
I can open an original color map DNG of the Leica SL2.
What am I doing wrong?
Sincerly
Jochen
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You want to feed it a DNG, at least that's how I've used it.
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OK, my bad. You should, at least based on the manual be able to save off 16-bit TIFFs and open them and you're right, I can't either. What version of Mac OS are you on?
I saved my TIFF from Photoshop, you from C1 so it's not the host and how it saves, plus I've tried all kinds of differing TIFF save settings, no go. Might need to ping Anders.
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You want to feed it a DNG, at least that's how I've used it.
@digitaldog.
Thanks for quick reply.
I was at a seminar two weeks ago where it was shown how to export color plate RAWs as TIFs in CaptureOne to open them in Input6.
Does it not work with the trial but only with a licensed version?
I will contact the seminar organizer.
I read in another older post here on LuLa about problems with the license server.
Currently on the website of basICColor this problem is probably still not solved.
Jochen
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Does it not work with the trial but only with a licensed version?
I'm licensed and no, it doesn't work, something is broken.
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I'm licensed and no, it doesn't work, something is broken.
Hey, this my settings in CaptureOne.
I think this is right or not?
Jochen
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Sorry, don't use C1. But your issue is, TIFFs simply cannot be opened. Yes, you want 16-bit TIFFs. On this end, NO TIFFs can be opened which leads me to believe it's a bug. I build my DCP profiles from DNG. Not rendered TIFFs but the manual states it should open 16-bit TIFFs and no, it doesn't do that. I also see it grayed out.
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Sorry, don't use C1. But your issue is, TIFFs simply cannot be opened. Yes, you want 16-bit TIFFs. On this end, NO TIFFs can be opened which leads me to believe it's a bug. I build my DCP profiles from DNG. Not rendered TIFFs but the manual states it should open 16-bit TIFFs and no, it doesn't do that. I also see it grayed out.
OK. Tomorrow I will contact support of Lumariver and seminar organizer.
Jochen
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I sent them an Email with the URL to this topic. You might try the same. Something isn't Kosher.
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I sent them an Email with the URL to this topic. You might try the same. Something isn't Kosher.
I have done it.
Sincerly
Jochen
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Hi Jochen,
LRPD greys out tifs on my machine as well (MacOS 10.15.7), so something is wrong (compatibility with latest OS updates?).
Regarding your screenshot: Take care to use "linear curve" in C1, as described here:
LRPD manual (http://lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#c1_workflows)
PM me for info in german, if you like.
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You need to change it to Mode-> Profile Format -> ICC Profile. You cannot create a DCP profile from a tif. Besides, Capture one works with ICC profiles, not DCP
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Hi Jochen,
LRPD greys out tifs on my machine as well (MacOS 10.15.7), so something is wrong (compatibility with latest OS updates?).
Regarding your screenshot: Take care to use "linear curve" in C1, as described here:
LRPD manual (http://lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#c1_workflows)
PM me for info in german, if you like.
Hi Jochen,
LRPD greys out tifs on my machine as well (MacOS 10.15.7), so something is wrong (compatibility with latest OS updates?).
Regarding your screenshot: Take care to use "linear curve" in C1, as described here:
LRPD manual (http://lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#c1_workflows)
PM me for info in german, if you like.
Hello Michael
Thanks for feedback.
I use my bad english for training ;-)
I use the „linear curve" in C1.
I „learned" it in the seminar two weeks ago.
If I ever have more experience with Lumariver or Input 6, I will certainly show up here at LuLa again.
If you like I can contact you so that I stay on track ;-)
Your website does not open here?
Jochen
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You need to change it to Mode-> Profile Format -> ICC Profile. You cannot create a DCP profile from a tif. Besides, Capture one works with ICC profiles, not DCP
Bingo. Now with that menu toggle, (which I never use), TIFF shows up.
Be kind of useful if the product would show either, then toggle from DCP to ICC or vise versa based on what it opens.
I didn't look though the online manual exhaustively but I didn't find this useful info. Good job!
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You need to change it to Mode-> Profile Format -> ICC Profile. You cannot create a DCP profile from a tif. Besides, Capture one works with ICC profiles, not DCP
Thanks, I found this in the menu.
OK.
Next problem???
Jochen
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You need to export it with ICC profile -> Embed Camera Profile. From your previous screenshot you exported in Adobe RGB
www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#c1_troubleshooting (http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#c1_troubleshooting)
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You need to export it with ICC profile -> Embed Camera Profile. From your previous screenshot you exported in Adobe RGB
www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#c1_troubleshooting (http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#c1_troubleshooting)
OK. Thanks.
I must read the manual carefully.
My english isn't good enough to understand it quickly.
Cheers
Jochen
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@all
Thanks
I think I got the Lumariver Profile Designer workflow down pat with help here!! and reading the manual.
There have been a few pitfalls though.
Jochen
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Hello, LPD author here. It seems like you have solved the problem, right? TIFFs should work, but it's a bit sensitive on formats.
Due to being deeply involved in other projects, which seems to go into mid 2022, my email/online support hasn't been good the past couple of years, I'm sorry for that. We do answer to support emails still, but it can take quite a while.
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Hello, LPD author here. It seems like you have solved the problem, right? TIFFs should work, but it's a bit sensitive on formats.
@Torger
Thanks for feedback.
I know that I should read the manual. I will do so, but my english isn't good.
So I need time for translation.
I understand the workflow with one TIF.
I read another aspect.
I should to create a second TIF profile in CaptureOne with a different curve than Linear Rendition.
Which profile do I then apply later to the right shots?
Due to being deeply involved in other projects, which seems to go into mid 2022, my email/online support hasn't been good the past couple of years, I'm sorry for that. We do answer to support emails still, but it can take quite a while.
Ups, > Other projects are good for You.
Not for me ;-)
I'm not such a young guy anymore and want to finish my project with camera profiles, LPD, printing quickly ;-)
Jochen
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@Torger
Thanks for feedback.
I know that I should read the manual. I will do so, but my english isn't good.
So I need time for translation.
I understand the workflow with one TIF.
I read another aspect.
I should to create a second TIF profile in CaptureOne with a different curve than Linear Rendition.
Which profile do I then apply later to the right shots?
Ups, > Other projects are good for You.
Not for me ;-)
I'm not such a young guy anymore and want to finish my project with camera profiles, LPD, printing quickly ;-)
Jochen
The Capture One workflow is a bit complicated, but it has to be that way due to the way C1 applies ICC profiles.
The purpose of the second TIFF file is so that Lumariver Profile Designer can figure out the exact shape of the contrast curves C1 is using.
Capture One general purspose profiles are designed such that a small amount of contrast is embedded in the ICC profile itself, and the rest is the applied "Film Curve". The reason to split them in two is that an RGB curve with strong S-shaped contrast will cause significant color shifts. By avoiding having a shadow dip in the film curve and instead have that applied with the ICC profile (using a different tone operator), better color fidelity is had.
Lumariver Profile Designer solves the same problem in a different way, but needs to adapt the ICC profile so that it gives the intended result with the curve used in C1. To be able to do that it must know exactly what curves C1 is using, and that is done by feeding it that extra TIFF file with the intended contrast curve applied.
Despite the two TIFF images in, you will get only one ICC profile out from Lumariver, and that is the one you will be using in Capture One, and you should use it together with the same contrast curve you used for the second TIFF image, that is usually "Film Standard" or "Auto".