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Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: 61Dynamic on December 19, 2006, 01:43:21 pm
I've recently moved to a colder climate than the deserts I've previously lived and am in the market for a good pair of gloves.

What gloves do readers recommend for around 30-40 deg. F use and where can I buy them? Any particular brands/designs/materials/etc to look out for?

Mind you, I'm a complete glove noob; I've never owned a pair before and have no clue what's available.

Thanks,
Dan
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: boku on December 19, 2006, 03:34:11 pm
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I've recently moved to a colder climate than the deserts I've previously lived and am in the market for a good pair of gloves.

What gloves do readers recommend for around 30-40 deg. F use and where can I buy them? Any particular brands/designs/materials/etc to look out for?

Mind you, I'm a complete glove noob; I've never owned a pair before and have no clue what's available.

Thanks,
Dan
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I am quite happy with a set of polartec (acrylic fiber) glo-mitts and silk liners (from Campmor, Cabelas, or REI, if I recall). Very versatile.

I have tried equivalents from Smartwool - they are no warmer, less comfortable, and less durable.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: francois on December 19, 2006, 03:45:29 pm
I fully second Bob's recommendation. I use old Patagonia Capilene gloves and also from REI (can't remember the model name). When it's really cold, I put down mitts, but 30-40F is way to hot for that kind of protection!
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 19, 2006, 05:18:46 pm
You might also want to look unto Black Diamond gloves line-up. The Power Stretch might be a good candidate for your range of temperatures.

One key question though is whether you expect strong winds/rain on a regular basis or not.

- for wind, I woud look into gore wind stopper options (Black Diamond has such gloves as well),
- for rain, a Goretex XCR/eVent lining is the only really waterproof option, but those gloves typically get too bulky for easy camera operation.

Regards,
Bernard
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: michael on December 19, 2006, 05:33:10 pm
"30-40 deg. F"

Gloves? At those temperatures you don't need no $%^$# gloves!  

-30 to -40 deg. F; then you need gloves!!

Michael
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: howiesmith on December 19, 2006, 05:54:11 pm
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"30-40 deg. F"

Gloves? At those temperatures you don't need no $%^$# gloves!   

-30 to -40 deg. F; then you need gloves!!

Michael
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I always found gloves much more useful at +30.  AT -30 and below, I just stay in the house by the fire.  No need for gloves unless the cup gets too hot.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Lisa Nikodym on December 19, 2006, 06:18:11 pm
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always found gloves much more useful at +30. AT -30 and below, I just stay in the house by the fire. No need for gloves unless the cup gets too hot.

Wimp!  

A little cold never stops me.  I use the two-layer approach, with thin glove liners (silk or the like) and heavy warm mitt-style gloves over them.  The mitts come off during the minute or two I'm messing with camera buttons, then go back on between shots.

I also have a spouse to blow warm breath into the outer gloves while I'm taking the photo so they're warm when they go back on.  

I used that method when taking photos at about 15 deg F in Bryce one Christmas week, though there were occasional "warm-ups" when I had to put the outer gloves back on for a minute before finishing the picture when I couldn't feel my fingers anymore...

Lisa
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Nill Toulme on December 19, 2006, 06:59:21 pm
Foxgloves Grip from Naturescapes.net (http://www.naturescapes.net/store/product.php?productid=5).  When it gets colder I layer a pair of fingerless fleece fishing gloves over them.

Nill
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Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: wolfnowl on December 19, 2006, 07:30:25 pm
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"30-40 deg. F"

Gloves? At those temperatures you don't need no $%^$# gloves!

-30 to -40 deg. F; then you need gloves!!

That's the spirit!  Spoken like a true Canadian.

In cold weather I usually use smaller liner gloves under heavy mitts as well.  The other option, my wife's preference is to have the glove/mitt combination where the finger part of the mitt folds back over and velcros to the back of the hand.  Hunters often use that style as well.  That way your fingers are protected by the liner gloves when needed, and otherwise they're protected under the mitts.  But really at anything under about -10 deg C , gloves aren't that necessary.  Reminds me of when we went to Texas in February and the Texans were wearing parkas and the folks from Ontario were wearing T shirts and jackets...

Mike.

At -40 the biggest problem used to be keeping your film from shattering...
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: David White on December 19, 2006, 11:46:46 pm
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"30-40 deg. F"

Gloves? At those temperatures you don't need no $%^$# gloves!   
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Or as our esteemed governator would say - Only girlie men wear gloves at 30F.  
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Chris_T on December 20, 2006, 09:26:41 am
I have come across liner gloves made of thermax or fleece, but never silk. Are the silk liners warmer or fit better? What brand makes them, and where can they be found?

I tried Foxgloves in a store. They fit really snuggly, and probably can allow me to turn the smallest knobs. But I think they will build up moisture and may not be too warm.

Lowepro makes photo gloves, which I have not tried.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: francois on December 20, 2006, 09:59:04 am
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I have come across liner gloves made of thermax or fleece, but never silk. Are the silk liners warmer or fit better? What brand makes them, and where can they be found?

I tried Foxgloves in a store. They fit really snuggly, and probably can allow me to turn the smallest knobs. But I think they will build up moisture and may not be too warm.

Lowepro makes photo gloves, which I have not tried.
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I have a preference for silk liners but it's a matter of taste. I have no personal experience with FoxGloves. You shoulfd be able to find those liner on Amazon, REI, EMS, Campmor, Cabelas etc...

ex: [a href=\"http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=YS5LHJXK5WDEICWQNWRCCOYK0BW0GIWE?id=0005263901532a&type=product&cmCat=froogle&cm_ven=data_feed&cm_cat=froogle&cm_pla=0080903&cm_ite=0005263901532a&_requestid=16986]Cabelas Silk Glove Liners[/url]
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: 61Dynamic on December 20, 2006, 10:40:13 am
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"30-40 deg. F"

Gloves? At those temperatures you don't need no $%^$# gloves!   

-30 to -40 deg. F; then you need gloves!!

Michael
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lol. I guess Canadians are more hard-core than former desert dwellers. Then again, on the opposite side of things, I know some Canadians who think 80 deg. F is "hot" in mid-august.

30 deg. F is about as cold as it gets here (Sacramento area) but we are also in the path of the SanFran winds. Plus I'm near Lake Tahoe and may feel like venturing up that way. At that point I'll worry about layering gloves but nor now, I just need something light-wieght for my winter-night shooting.

Thanks everyone for the recommendations thus far. Got some shopping to do...
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Peter McLennan on December 20, 2006, 01:10:08 pm
I've seen some very tempting glovesin the auto mechanic's gloves range.  They have grippy stuff on the fingers.   Nice for lens changes.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: 61Dynamic on December 20, 2006, 02:51:04 pm
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I've seen some very tempting glovesin the auto mechanic's gloves range.  They have grippy stuff on the fingers.   Nice for lens changes.
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Mechanix gloves are the cat's meow in that area and I have several pair (ok, so I lied, I have some glove experience). They have great dexterity as long as you are dealing with bolts, nuts and the like. They don't keep the hands warm worth a darn though.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: wolfnowl on December 20, 2006, 02:54:48 pm
One more thought about liner gloves, when it's 'cold'.  Again, 30 deg F isn't 'cold'.  This also applies to socks.  If you're using silk liners (might work with other fibres), you may find that your hands will sweat under the heavier mitts.  No problem.  What you do is carry two pairs of liner gloves (and socks).  About once an hour or so, change them.  Leave the changed pair outside your clothing (pin them to your parka or something) and the water vapour in them will freeze.  Then take the glove and give it a whack across your forearm and you'll see this shower of little tiny ice crystals.  Put the gloves in your pocket until it's time to change them again.

Mike.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: howiesmith on December 20, 2006, 03:33:39 pm
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Wimp!   

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WIMP?  I still run the very real risk of a burned lip.  

When I lived in northern Illinois (where the temperature was frequently below freezing), I bought a townhouse so I could watch a couple guys shovel the snow.  I was always polite and offered them a cup of coffee.

Wimp.  The abuses one endures for just being smart.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Nill Toulme on December 20, 2006, 06:56:28 pm
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...I tried Foxgloves in a store. They fit really snuggly, and probably can allow me to turn the smallest knobs. But I think they will build up moisture and may not be too warm. ...
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They're not terribly warm, but they're a lot better than nothing.  When it gets colder I layer fingerless fleece gloves over them.  I've had no problem with them with moisture buildup.  I can do everything to the camera with them on except open the 1D's battery compartment, which requires a fingernail.  I was even able to tie on a couple of small flies while wearing them on a recent fishing trip in the snow in Idaho.  I like them a lot.

Nill
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Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: larryg on December 20, 2006, 08:31:17 pm
For all us girlie men.

I wear liners if cold enough.  If really cold I wear Lowe-Pros photographer gloves over top and then remove the outer layer when shooting.  Really hard to operate the camera equipment with all those gloves on.

I guess we need to toughen up
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Chris_T on December 21, 2006, 09:07:38 am
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I have a preference for silk liners but it's a matter of taste. I have no personal experience with FoxGloves. You shoulfd be able to find those liner on Amazon, REI, EMS, Campmor, Cabelas etc...

ex: Cabelas Silk Glove Liners (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=YS5LHJXK5WDEICWQNWRCCOYK0BW0GIWE?id=0005263901532a&type=product&cmCat=froogle&cm_ven=data_feed&cm_cat=froogle&cm_pla=0080903&cm_ite=0005263901532a&_requestid=16986)
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Thanks. I'll check them out. Didn't notice any at REI though.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Chris_T on December 21, 2006, 09:09:58 am
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They're not terribly warm, but they're a lot better than nothing.  When it gets colder I layer fingerless fleece gloves over them.  I've had no problem with them with moisture buildup.  I can do everything to the camera with them on except open the 1D's battery compartment, which requires a fingernail.  I was even able to tie on a couple of small flies while wearing them on a recent fishing trip in the snow in Idaho.  I like them a lot.

Nill
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Have you compared those latex gloves used in hospitals? Seems like they may serve the same purpose as the Foxgloves: snug, but not warm. Plus they are disposable.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: howiesmith on December 21, 2006, 09:26:15 am
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Have you compared those latex gloves used in hospitals? Seems like they may serve the same purpose as the Foxgloves: snug, but not warm. Plus they are disposable.
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Latex gloves are water proof, and your hands may sweat inside.  They have no insulation, so they may be cold.

Someone earlier suggest Goretex.  Goretex breathes and lets moisture out while being windproof.  They seem like they would be very warm as an outer layer.  More expensive than Latex.

Mittens are warmer than gloves.  You might consider a pair that can be easily removed when working with the camera's controls.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: francois on December 21, 2006, 10:14:08 am
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Latex gloves are water proof, and your hands may sweat inside.  They have no insulation, so they may be cold.
You're right, latex glove will make you hands sweat and then freeze if temperature goes down.

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Someone earlier suggest Goretex.  Goretex breathes and lets moisture out while being windproof.  They seem like they would be very warm as an outer layer.  More expensive than Latex.
Look for WindStopper gloves, they are made of a combination of Gore membrane and fleece gloves. For 30F,  that's plenty of protection! They only drawbacks are price and they're not waterproof.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: howiesmith on December 21, 2006, 10:24:08 am
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You're right, latex glove will make you hands sweat and then freeze if temperature goes down.
Look for WindStopper gloves, they are made of a combination of Gore membrane and fleece gloves. For 30F,  that's plenty of protection! They only drawbacks are price and they're not waterproof.
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Are Windstoppers at least water repellant?  I always thought the Goretex layer was waterproof.  Maybe it is the outer part that gets wet.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: francois on December 21, 2006, 11:10:34 am
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Are Windstoppers at least water repellant?  I always thought the Goretex layer was waterproof.  Maybe it is the outer part that gets wet.
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Not very repellent, in fact GoreTex is waterproof but seams are not taped in WindStopper gloves and when the outer part (fleece) is soaked then water makes its way into the gloves. So, they are best worn best  when it's dry or when it's cold enough to avoid rain (snow is OK).
On the other hand, GoreTex gloves are generally taped and waterproof but less breathable.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: framah on December 21, 2006, 11:28:52 am
My best gloves I have I got up in Churchill, Canada and they are sealskin fur on the outside and a sheepskin lining. Not much good for photography or ANYTHING requiring dexterity  but, BOY are my hands warm when I'm pushing the snowblower!!    
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: framah on December 21, 2006, 11:32:07 am
Actually, the best gloves I have had for shooting in the winter are the gloves with the fingertips cut off and a mitten hood is attached to the back of the glove. When you are done needing your finger tips, you just flip the hood over and you are warm again. The thumb also has a little hood to cover it as well.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: John Camp on December 21, 2006, 04:48:53 pm
If it actually gets cold enough to snow where you're at, go to a cross-country ski store and get some xc-ski gloves. They are usually thin, light, and wind and water repellant, and very good for photography. These are not the same as downhill ski gloves, by the way, which are much heavier and thicker. Another good possibility is shooting gloves from an outdoor sports store. This is basically the same story as the xc-ski gloves, except that some shooting gloves have a trigger-finger slit that allows you to actually expose your trigger finger without taking the glove off, thus making it easier to shoot, either a gun or a camera.

In *really* cold weather you need either mitts or big gloves with liner gloves, so you can take off the heavy gloves but leave the lliners on when you shoot, so you don't expose skin...but that's a whole different thing.  

JC
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: McKenzie on December 22, 2006, 05:34:27 am
I use Mountain Hardwear Heavyweight Powerstretch gloves.  They are the thickest gloves I've found that allow me to operate a camera.  They work reasonably well for me at 30 degrees F.  I have very poor circulation in my hands, however, so they might suffice for the average person at lower temperatures.  They are somewhat wind-resistant, but not very water-resistant.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: jani on December 22, 2006, 06:06:20 pm
I currently use Norheim gloves with Thinsulate (TM by 3M, I think), with faux suede leather fingertips on the index and middle fingers, and in the palm.

They're made for sports, but seem to work nicely down to about -5 C (23 F). The grip is good.

Black Diamond -- mentioned earlier by Bernard -- have a wide range of gloves, and I would most certainly accept his recommendation here.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: marcmccalmont on December 24, 2006, 03:13:00 pm
Two thoughts;
1. The 30-30-30 rule 30 degrees F, 30 mph wind and 30 seconds = frostbite
2. If you do work in the cold do as ski lift mechanics do, rub a dab of petroleum jelly, Vaseline (not enough to remain oily)  into the skin (hands and face) this prevents both frostbite and arthritis.

Merry Christmas
Marc

PS. this is a "Grandmothers remedy" that works
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: 61Dynamic on December 28, 2006, 05:02:47 pm
Now that the holiday madness has worn down, I visited my local REI store with my camera in tow and picked up a pair of gloves.

The store didn't have a huge selection and most of what was there was either warm and had grip or had good tactile feedback and slippery on the camera. I did however find one pair of REI One "Multisports" using that polartec stuff in my size. They are light gloves with leather palms that should do the trick.

I did see the Black Diamonds there but they only had one model, the "Jetstream;" whatever that means. I think they would have been better all-around gloves than what I bought but they had one big problem. The grip pads stopped short of the finger tips rendering them completely pointless.

The next few nights should be freezing and very windy so I'll post again once I get a chance to use them.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Jay Kaplan on December 28, 2006, 10:06:51 pm
You might want to go to a sporting goods store such as Dick's here on the east coast. They feature a large selection of performance wear such as from UnderArmour. They make a whole line of cold weather clothing and one of their items are gloves. It is my understanding that they are "thin" and light weight" so they may also work for photographers.

Me, my hands hurt in cold weather, a circulation problem, so I tend to spend as little time outside as possible at this time of year. Fortunately, it has been somewhat temperate here in Maryland so far this winter - we even had a 72 degree day this month.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: filip baraka on January 03, 2007, 07:03:41 am
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I've recently moved to a colder climate than the deserts I've previously lived and am in the market for a good pair of gloves.

What gloves do readers recommend for around 30-40 deg. F use and where can I buy them? Any particular brands/designs/materials/etc to look out for?

Mind you, I'm a complete glove noob; I've never owned a pair before and have no clue what's available.

Thanks,
Dan
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For that temperatures I'm using Lowepro photo gloves, quite good!
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: jimhuber on January 03, 2007, 02:52:57 pm
My experience with gloves is mostly motorcycling, where wind chill is a real factor, and flexibility and feel are life-and-death vital. I've found that gloves are less of an issue if you keep your core adequately warm, and legs are almost as important. Wool socks and good boots will do more for your hands than most gloves. In short, make sure the rest of you is warm first and you won't need that much glove.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: Nill Toulme on January 03, 2007, 03:30:06 pm
Spoken like a man with good circulation in his hands.  ;-)

Nill
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Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: dobson on January 03, 2007, 05:42:17 pm
I second those who recommend powerstretch gloves. I own the Black Diamond powerstretch gloves and love them; as do my family and friends. Fleece gloves do not have to be waterproof to work, you can dip your hand in a freezing lake and soon your hand will warm right up (they don't really hold much water). The powerstretch gloves are also very dextrous, cheap, and pretty durable; mine have endured and entire climbing season with only a few scratches on the leather palm.

As the temperature decreases I have found that the best gloves in terms of warmth and dexterity are those designed for ice climbing. They have to be warm when you are bashing you knuckes on ice all day; and they must also be dextrous because fumbling gear could kill you. Though relatively bulky, my BD Ice gloves work well for photography in more extreme conditions. I never have to take them off to work with my camera, and they are as warm as it gets without mittens.

Phillip
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: SELPHICK on February 04, 2007, 07:42:24 pm
GLOVES are great, but for low temps consider hot packs  for your gloves, these exothermic pads are good for hands and feet, probably available thru Cabela's outddor store , absolutely available  thru Le Baron's outdoor store in Canada. Keeps your batteries warm as well.
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: pl2se on February 05, 2007, 10:13:19 am
I have to confess that I have not read all your answers, and there seam to be a lot of opinions...

I live in Northern Sweden and it seldom is that cold. _30 to -40 F equals -34 to -40 in celcius and we do have al least a week with temperatures dropping below minus 30 every year. And I can only give you one advice. Forget everything in the line of "finger-gloves". (I probably have the wrong word, but I hope you understand ) When its that cold you need a pair of gloves where your 4 fingers stay together and only the thumb has its own "compartment". Its gonna be really cold, and i suggest some form of warming devices. There is battery or alcholoc driven heaters and i would suggest keeping one one the camera! Batterys will run out, even on a 1D and I promise you that you wont be happy taking your gloves of. Keep your hands in your gloves and get a camera with excellent ergonomic which let you shot with gloves on!

Peter
Title: Glove Recomendations
Post by: kitalight on February 09, 2007, 10:57:09 pm
a cabretta golf glove...for lefties of course...