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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Adobe Lightroom Q&A => Topic started by: john beardsworth on October 20, 2020, 10:10:35 am
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Not much of great interest. The upgrade catalogue naming has improved, encouraging users to include the LR version number - so instead of Catalog-2-2-2-2 you'd have Catalog-Lr10. Also split toning has been upgraded to Color Grading - see https://blog.adobe.com/en/2020/10/20/introducing-color-grading.html
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Not much of great interest.
Any idea what the reasoning was behind the bump to a new major release number?
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Well, there is a database upgrade, but version numbers are probably part of wider marketing/presentation issues.
Annoyingly, they also changed the OS requirements for LR and other apps, following their 3 versions back policy, so on Mac it's now 10.15. Maybe they have a good idea of users' kit, but I really wish they'd work harder to avoid bumping up the OS requirements.
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New Features Page
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/whats-new/2021.html
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The scrubby zoom feature is nice, and long overdue!
I’m also seeing some performance improvement in general.
Rand
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I’m also seeing some performance improvement in general.
Scrolling in Grid should be much better. Could still be faster but, progress.
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Annoyingly, they also changed the OS requirements for LR and other apps, following their 3 versions back policy, so on Mac it's now 10.15.
Hmm, Victoria the "Lightroom Queen" said Mojave is supported, so that would be OSX 10.14, actually. I sure hope she's correct because I'm trying to fend off Catalina as long as possible...
John
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You are right - I'd written the recommend spec - but the point remains that they've dropped 10.13 for no obvious benefit to users.
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Then there’s macOS “Big Sur” due soon. I have adjusted my update setting on my iMac to notify instead of auto update so I do not get caught of guard like Catalina.
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LR10 is taking a lot longer to load than the last version of LR9. Admittedly it is on a fairly old i7 PC with a spinning HD not an SSD.
Best wishes,
Jonathan
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I use Mojave on my laptop and the new LR seems to work just fine. It's also nice to see that there's now a profile for my beloved Voightlander 50mm f/2 APO-Lanthar.
I always try out any significant new release on the laptop before putting on the "big" machine, my desktop, formerly a 2103 Mac Pro (trashcan) and now a 2020 iMac 27." I wait a week or so, read the relevant internet stuff, like this forum, for things that might make me want to wait a bit longer. If all looks well, I go ahead.
I agree, it's evolutionary, a few nice features, nothing earth shattering. But now it's getting harder to think of improvements that would be radical. I get frustrated by folks who are unhappy with the processing tools we now have from Adobe and others. The same people who spend thousands on cameras and lenses and then don't even make a physical print are often the loudest about spending US$120 per year on some genuinely magical tools that are regularly updated. Compared to a mere decade ago, and compared to film and the darkroom, we can now produce work that was genuinely impossible in the past. I'm not an Adobe fanboy but appreciate what they've accomplished and don't see them as some sort of evil empire.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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I get frustrated by folks who are unhappy with the processing tools we now have from Adobe and others.
Just ignore them.
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Lr 10 is running quite nicely on both my iMac and MBP running Catalina 10.15.7
I like the new features, especially "Color Grading", and what seems like a bit of an improvement in performance.
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I seem to have a bug with it while using a preset. I have one that sets a few things, and white balance to daylight (5500/10). After selecting the preset, the white balance says daylight, but the numbers don't match, for example, it might stay on 5700/15 or something. I did try creating fresh preset, but same outcome when using it. Interestingly, when I mouse-over the preset, it shows the white balance in the image changing to daylight, but actually selecting it doesn't achieve it.
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Sadly (for me anyway) this is the first LR (and the rest of this bunch of CC updates) that will not install on Windows 7. I'm stuck with Win 7 as I have not managed to update to Win 10 AND have the ancient HP Z3100 drivers behave with the LR print module - saved prints do not "save" the driver config settings for the print.
(By the way, I may be the last person still using it, but Microsoft still "support" Win 7 with monthly security updates)
Kev
Hmm, Victoria the "Lightroom Queen" said Mojave is supported, so that would be OSX 10.14, actually. I sure hope she's correct because I'm trying to fend off Catalina as long as possible...
John
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Should I assume there's no upgrade to LR v.6 licensed?
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Should I assume there's no upgrade to LR v.6 licensed?
Correct. Adobe is not supporting it any longer. When I bought my Nikon Z6 I had to update to the new version as LR6 had no camera support. Not only that but I also had to update to Windows 10 as the CC version did not run on Windows 8.1. It's OK with me as the new version has a lot of new features I find useful.
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I am very disappointed to say the least with the "upgrade to LR 10.0. TNot sure why, but I have gone from LR performance that has always been quite snappy on my 2013 Mac Pro to a constant case of spinning beach balls as I scroll through images in my catalog. My files are both FF and medium format raws and large TIFFs. I have a 2013 Mac Pro running OS 10.14.6. I will see if I can downgrade to LR 9. Fisrt time I have ever had a problem upgrading.
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The adobe feedback forums are lighting up with bugs of all sorts, including performance issues. I would definitely hold off.
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I can't dfind my prior version of LR Classic. It appears to have been deleted and it's not even in the Trash.
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If you're having trouble with 10.0, you can revert to 9.4 (or even earlier versions) through the creative cloud app. Navigate to Lightroom Classic and hit the "..." button to explore your options. Attached is a screenshot of my ability to "uninstall" 10.0 and re-install a variety of older versions.
Please note, though: any edits, imports, moves, or other catalog updates you have made with 10.0 will not be reflected in the older versions.
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I think the "performance" issues are not related to older hardware only. On my fairly new Windows PC is very unpredictable, sometimes it moves ok but sometimes the lag is totally stupid slow, like I add a brush or a filter and it's showing it 20-30 sec later. The previous version was working fine.
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I think the "performance" issues are not related to older hardware only. On my fairly new Windows PC is very unpredictable, sometimes it moves ok but sometimes the lag is totally stupid slow, like I add a brush or a filter and it's showing it 20-30 sec later. The previous version was working fine.
On the Mac, maybe not. XCode compilers on macOS were updated recently and it's possible for some, this is what is causing their issues.
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I know nothing about the Mac side, as stated in my comment I am talking about windows PC hardware only.
So, on my Windows PC with AMD Ryzen 3900x, 128 GB RAM @ 3200, NVME system drive and all SSD work drive, it is erratically very very slow; it wasn't just before the update, so unless windows happened to update in the background in the same time I blame it on LR itself.
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I know nothing about the Mac side, as stated in my comment I am talking about windows PC hardware only.
So, on my Windows PC with AMD Ryzen 3900x, 128 GB RAM @ 3200, NVME system drive and all SSD work drive, it is erratically very very slow; it wasn't just before the update, so unless windows happened to update in the background in the same time I blame it on LR itself.
I bet the blame is LR code vs GPU driver... did you try to roll back GPU drivers or install some newer version ?
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I bet the blame is LR code vs GPU driver... did you try to roll back GPU drivers or install some newer version ?
Thanks. I just updated the NVidia Studio Driver, and for good measure I also updated the BIOS (because I had nothing better to do). I should figure out by tomorrow if it made a difference.
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Dogslow here as well.
MacPRO 2013 with ssd 32Gb
Hopefully the tip to revert to the former one works...
cheers
Z
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thank god, that worked, very annoying they'd put out a major update and it's so bugged...
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While I realise that saying "I don't have a problem" doesn't directly inspire those who do, I find that LR10 runs smoothly on my iMac Pro under Catalina, and seems, entirely subjectively, to be generally quicker than earlier versions.
FWIW
Jeremy
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While I realise that saying "I don't have a problem" doesn't directly inspire those who do, I find that LR10 runs smoothly on my iMac Pro under Catalina, and seems, entirely subjectively, to be generally quicker than earlier versions.
FWIW
Jeremy
Similar on my Win10/Nvidia system
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Similar on my Win10/Nvidia system
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I have noticed no slowdown or major bug (yet).
But KUDOS! A bug which has been bugging me for some time has been fixed. Previously when I deleted images, especially a large number, I got an error which popped up a dialog which had to be dismissed (don't remember the wording). It took some time for this dialog to appear and the program was unresponsive until it was dismissed. I delete a large number of images for for each shoot because I am taking sunrises using the HDR panorama feature. Each set of images may be from 25 to 60. There are many sets of images because the sky changes quite rapidly during sunrise and to get the optimum image you must shoot through the sunrise, taking a set of images every couple of minutes. So it is expose a lot, cull, and destroy. I might shoot 600-700 images and keep 80-100.
As long as I am handing out kudos, one must go to Photoshop. This major for me. The behavior of the Align option for the Clone Stamp has been fixed. Well not really because you will no longer find Align as an option. It has been replaced by a new option that has no name, just an icon of two squares on top offset by two rectangles on the bottom. The hint for this icon is "Use same offset for each stroke". So it does the same as Align when activated.
The problem with Align was that you could not control it. It had a mind of its own. When you selected a target it would sometimes trigger the Align option and sometimes not. Or if you checked and Align was not selected and you proceeded to work and suddenly things got all screwed up, it was because Align was mysteriously activated.
Why is this important to me? Because as I said I do many HDR's and one big problem with them is that are sections of the image that do not get the same intensity as the surrounding area. For example a tree with lots of sky areas showing through the leaves. These areas are often much brighter than the surrounding sky like Christmas tree lights. Another is halos at the horizon. To get rid of these artifacts I use a technique with a blank layer set to darken and the Clone Stamp set to darken at a low opacity. You must know where the target area is so that you can match it with the light area. If you cannot control the target the technique falls apart. You select a target that approximates what the light area should be and brush in until it looks good. It is the only way I know that fixes these artifacts.
So there is hope. These two things were long standing problems. Adobe is finally getting around to fixing the small, niggling things. Things that don't get much press but in practice annoy the hell out of you.
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I've got the last produced MacBook Pro 15” pretty maxed out; all fine on this end. Latest OS.
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Oh crap. I spoke too soon. They dropped the option name for Align and replaced it. But it still has many of the flaws of Align. It turns on the option every time you select a new target, just what you don't want. Means I have to turn it off each time I set a new target. Brushing is usually done with the Wacom pen and that is buggy to. I pick the icon with the pen and it does not change its state. I must use the mouse. Really slows things down.
Plus with the option off, selecting from the same target point, the target is very slow in returning to the original selected point. Means you are brushing thinking that you are using the original selected target but you are not, it has not returned to that point yet and who knows where it is. Unpredictable and uncontrollable.
Damn Adobe!
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I'd be interested to compare specs, since the update was making the spinning wheel the norm on my mac. Do you think it could be a mojave issue, in like "it wants to see catalina", or just specs ? hope not.
But the option to reinstall 9.4 saved me. Maybe I'll give it another install, just to be sure.
Or wait for a bugfixupdate?
What do you guys think
cheers
Stephan
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I'd be interested to compare specs, since the update was making the spinning wheel the norm on my mac. Do you think it could be a mojave issue, in like "it wants to see catalina", or just specs ? hope not.
But the option to reinstall 9.4 saved me. Maybe I'll give it another install, just to be sure.
Or wait for a bugfixupdate?
What do you guys think
cheers
Stephan
It could be bad support for the specific GPU in the trashcan macpro.
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I am seeing an issue using Command E (Edit in Photoshop) whereby DNG's will not render then load into Photoshop. It will launch PS if not running, but that's it. Drag and drop a DNG, ACR opens as it should. Anyone else? MacOS Catalina.
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I am seeing an issue using Command E (Edit in Photoshop) whereby DNG's will not render then load into Photoshop. It will launch PS if not running, but that's it. Drag and drop a DNG, ACR opens as it should. Anyone else? MacOS Catalina.
I don't see that, Andrew. DNG, CR2, ARW all work fine, whether or not PS is already running. iMac Pro, Catalina.
Jeremy
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I don't see that, Andrew. DNG, CR2, ARW all work fine, whether or not PS is already running. iMac Pro, Catalina.
Jeremy
Thanks. Been an issue in the past, usually fixed by a reinstall in the correct order (LR than PS).
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I am having problems with the latest version of LR too, and I have a very solidly spec'd modern computer. Unfortunately, I have already done some work with the new version, so I can't go back now.
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No problems here so far with the new LR version, and it does seem a little faster on my Windows 10 machine.
As long as I am handing out kudos, one must go to Photoshop. This major for me. The behavior of the Align option for the Clone Stamp has been fixed. Well not really because you will no longer find Align as an option. It has been replaced by a new option that has no name, just an icon of two squares on top offset by two rectangles on the bottom. The hint for this icon is "Use same offset for each stroke". So it does the same as Align when activated.
The problem with Align was that you could not control it. It had a mind of its own. When you selected a target it would sometimes trigger the Align option and sometimes not. Or if you checked and Align was not selected and you proceeded to work and suddenly things got all screwed up, it was because Align was mysteriously activated.
Why is this important to me? Because as I said I do many HDR's and one big problem with them is that are sections of the image that do not get the same intensity as the surrounding area. For example a tree with lots of sky areas showing through the leaves. These areas are often much brighter than the surrounding sky like Christmas tree lights. Another is halos at the horizon. To get rid of these artifacts I use a technique with a blank layer set to darken and the Clone Stamp set to darken at a low opacity. You must know where the target area is so that you can match it with the light area. If you cannot control the target the technique falls apart. You select a target that approximates what the light area should be and brush in until it looks good. It is the only way I know that fixes these artifacts.
Oh crap. I spoke too soon. They dropped the option name for Align and replaced it. But it still has many of the flaws of Align. It turns on the option every time you select a new target, just what you don't want. Means I have to turn it off each time I set a new target. Brushing is usually done with the Wacom pen and that is buggy to. I pick the icon with the pen and it does not change its state. I must use the mouse. Really slows things down.
Plus with the option off, selecting from the same target point, the target is very slow in returning to the original selected point. Means you are brushing thinking that you are using the original selected target but you are not, it has not returned to that point yet and who knows where it is. Unpredictable and uncontrollable.
Damn Adobe!
I sometimes use the same technique you described for removing haloes on the horizon. However, at least on my Windows 10 computer, the Aligned option seems to work perfectly fine, with none of problems you described. And the options look exactly the same in the new version 22 as they did in the previous version 21, with "Aligned" still present and selectable by checking or unchecking the box to the left of that word, in the options bar at the top.
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I sometimes use the same technique you described for removing haloes on the horizon. However, at least on my Windows 10 computer, the Aligned option seems to work perfectly fine, with none of problems you described.
Why me Lord.
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Why me Lord.
I know how you feel. I frequently deal with other head-scratching computer problems that mysteriously pop up. Just thought I would give you another data point in figuring out what's going on.
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So far I am enjoying the new update. Using Fast I7 win 10 32gb. It feels faster. Yes that is subjective. It starts a little more slowly but non more than a couple of seconds. Local adjustments also seem to work very smoothly.
Have not tested the color grading but have some captures to try.
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I switched from LR CC to Capture One Pro about 4 years ago after not being happy with LR image quality with Fuji X RAW files. I have since found that with C1Pro, I no longer need expensive LR plugins (NIK, Topaz, etc.) as I can do so much inside C1Pro.
Since switching to Leica M and SL2 cameras and lenses about 3 years ago, I still love C1Pro, now at version 20. I love the customizable user interface.
LR is still much better with their Print module than C1Pro. However, I print with Epson, now a P900, and have discovered the Epson Print Layout app which is fantastic.
To each their own, but I'm sticking with C1Pro.
Regards,
Bud James
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