Luminous Landscape Forum
The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: TechTalk on September 27, 2020, 12:40:54 am
-
Every presidential election season since 1988, the PBS documentary series Frontline has produced a biographical documentary which profiles the Democratic and Republican nominees. This week The Choice 2020 Trump vs. Biden premiered and is available for free streaming.
The two-hour program can be viewed on the PBS Frontline website along with lots of additional material. The extras include transcripts or videos from the full length interviews conducted and behind-the-scenes material.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2020-trump-vs-biden (https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2020-trump-vs-biden/)
It is also available on YouTube. Below are links to the trailer and the full video.
https://www.youtube.com/TRAILER: "The Choice 2020: Trump vs. Biden" | FRONTLINE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwqb8juAfaI)
https://www.youtube.com/The Choice 2020: Trump vs. Biden (full film) | FRONTLINE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Icu6qupf40)
There are also full length interviews from the documentary available on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/c/frontline/videos (https://www.youtube.com/c/frontline/videos)
I found it informative and well worth watching.
-
Unfortunately apparently blocked outside of the US. Time to fire up the VPN.
-
Good documentaries, though I doubt anyone's vote will change. Can you imagine a Trumper saying: "Gosh, this Biden seems like a nice guy, I think I'll vote for him. Hey honey, will you toss my MAGA hat?"
Speaking of hats, I noticed that Biden has some hats for sale on his website. I doubt anyone has bought one. What does it say about you when you want to wear a hat with a candidate's name or slogan on it? Same goes for bumper stickers. I was waiting at the light yesterday, and the car in front of me had a Trump sticker on the rear bumper. I wondered whether the guy actually thought someone might vote for Trump if they saw a Trump sticker on his car? Yard signs are particularly problematic. Put one in your yard and maybe your neighbor who supports the other candidate will stop saying hello to you when you walk your dog, or even let the air out of your tires late one night.
-
Good documentaries, though I doubt anyone's vote will change. Can you imagine a Trumper saying: "Gosh, this Biden seems like a nice guy, I think I'll vote for him. Hey honey, will you toss my MAGA hat?"
Speaking of hats, I noticed that Biden has some hats for sale on his website. I doubt anyone has bought one. What does it say about you when you want to wear a hat with a candidate's name or slogan on it? Same goes for bumper stickers. I was waiting at the light yesterday, and the car in front of me had a Trump sticker on the rear bumper. I wondered whether the guy actually thought someone might vote for Trump if they saw a Trump sticker on his car? Yard signs are particularly problematic. Put one in your yard and maybe your neighbor who supports the other candidate will stop saying hello to you when you walk your dog, or even let the air out of your tires late one night.
No one's buying Biden hats because no one cares about him. People are voting for Trump or against Trump. You could get as many votes as Biden. Even without a hat. :)
-
No one's buying Biden hats because no one cares about him.
No one, used twice in one sentence filled with generalizations: speaking for everyone, a sure sign of the absurd and the absurd is the last refuge of a pundit without an argument.
-
No one, used twice in one sentence filled with generalizations: speaking for everyone, a sure sign of the absurd and the absurd is the last refuge of a pundit without an argument.
Did you buy one of his hats?
-
Did you buy one of his hats?
Nope. Nor do you speak for me or others, a fact your question illustrates you can't grasp.
-
Good documentaries, though I doubt anyone's vote will change. Can you imagine a Trumper saying: "Gosh, this Biden seems like a nice guy, I think I'll vote for him. Hey honey, will you toss my MAGA hat?"
Speaking of hats, I noticed that Biden has some hats for sale on his website. I doubt anyone has bought one. What does it say about you when you want to wear a hat with a candidate's name or slogan on it? Same goes for bumper stickers. I was waiting at the light yesterday, and the car in front of me had a Trump sticker on the rear bumper. I wondered whether the guy actually thought someone might vote for Trump if they saw a Trump sticker on his car? Yard signs are particularly problematic. Put one in your yard and maybe your neighbor who supports the other candidate will stop saying hello to you when you walk your dog, or even let the air out of your tires late one night.
I agree about hats, bumper stickers, etc. What's the point? I do think some of the MAGA clowns enjoy getting in other people's faces, sorta like in high school.
-
I agree about hats, bumper stickers, etc. What's the point? I do think some of the MAGA clowns enjoy getting in other people's faces, sorta like in high school.
They made it all the way to high school? 😁
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/11/poorly-educated-voters-hold-the-keys-to-the-white-house
-
I have tons of free hats which for me are mostly for utility. I try to avoid any slogans or advertising on my hats, especially if It's not free.
If I'm buying, it's to keep me warm or keep the sun off my face (which has had too much already).
But I'm all in for Biden, even if he does not reflect my personal philosophies exactly. He's much closer to them than the alternative. As a centrist that is his appeal to a broad variety of people.
What's most important to me is he is a decent person who cares about all Americans, not just the ones that support him. He is relatable, reasonable, and calculated.
Really, that's enough for me. We aren't getting married, we are choosing from a very short list of who we would rather be governed by and it's no contest.
-
I have tons of free hats which for me are mostly for utility. I try to avoid any slogans or advertising on my hats, especially if It's not free.
If I'm buying, it's to keep me warm or keep the sun off my face (which has had too much already).
But I'm all in for Biden, even if he does not reflect my personal philosophies exactly. He's much closer to them than the alternative. As a centrist that is his appeal to a broad variety of people.
What's most important to me is he is a decent person who cares about all Americans, not just the ones that support him. He is relatable, reasonable, and calculated.
Really, that's enough for me. We aren't getting married, we are choosing from a very short list of who we would rather be governed by and it's no contest.
Biden's dropped his middle of the road politics and has swung far left.
-
Biden's dropped his middle of the road politics and has swung far left.
Even better if true (which it is not)!
-
They made it all the way to high school? 😁
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/11/poorly-educated-voters-hold-the-keys-to-the-white-house
Gee, nice post. How many "poorly educated" minority folks make up the backbone of the Democratic Party?
-
Gee, nice post. How many "poorly educated" minority folks make up the backbone of the Democratic Party?
You can ask them to count the jelly beans in the jar before you allow them to vote.
-
Biden's dropped his middle of the road politics and has swung far left.
Not far enough for me but it's a step in the right direction.
-
You can ask them to count the jelly beans in the jar before you allow them to vote.
You know Andrew, these “poorly educated “ folks who you openly mocked make your life possible, regardless of who they vote for.
They grow your food, deliver it to market, process it, stock it on shelves and the bag it after you buy it. They keep your lights on, your water running and your internet working. They build and repair your car. The build and maintain your roads. They build and repair the home, your hvac, they cut your hair, they might even mow your lawn. The list goes on and on.
Without them you are toast. Never forget it.
-
You know Andrew, these “poorly educated “ folks who you openly mocked make your life possible, regardless of who they vote for.
I'm not mocking them, I'm mocking you. "Poorly educated" minority folks that make up the backbone of the Democratic Party?, really?
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/11/education-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/
According to exit polls, 61 percent of non-college-educated white voters cast their ballots for Republicans while just 45 percent of college-educated white voters did so. Meanwhile 53 percent of college-educated white voters cast their votes for Democrats compared with 37 percent of those without a degree.
-
I'm not mocking them, I'm mocking you. "Poorly educated" minority folks that make up the backbone of the Democratic Party?, really?
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/11/education-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/
According to exit polls, 61 percent of non-college-educated white voters cast their ballots for Republicans while just 45 percent of college-educated white voters did so. Meanwhile 53 percent of college-educated white voters cast their votes for Democrats compared with 37 percent of those without a degree.
No, you openly mocked “ poorly educated “ voters in your initial post. Learn to live with your abject failure.
And yes, without the minority voters the Democratic party goes nowhere. Again learn to deal with your shortcomings.
-
No, you openly mocked “ poorly educated “ voters in your initial post. Learn to live with your abject failure.
You got it wrong, again. You used the langauge, copy and paste: How many "poorly educated" minority folks make up the backbone of the Democratic Party? Your shortcomings.
And you got the facts about the party wrong too.
Rule on holes; when you are deep inside one, stop digging.
My initial post: No one, used twice in one sentence filled with generalizations: speaking for everyone, a sure sign of the absurd and the absurd is the last refuge of a pundit without an argument.
I am again, openly mocking you. Adiós
-
You got it wrong, again. You used the langauge, copy and paste: How many "poorly educated" minority folks make up the backbone of the Democratic Party? Your shortcomings.
And you got the facts about the party wrong too.
Rule on holes; when you are deep inside one, stop digging.
My initial post: No one, used twice in one sentence filled with generalizations: speaking for everyone, a sure sign of the absurd and the absurd is the last refuge of a pundit without an argument.
I am again, openly mocking you. Adiós
If that works for you go for it. It’s your sop. Your original post speaks for itself. Your distain in is on full display. But then again, that’s pretty common as well.
Of course you again missed the fact that the post I quoted of yours on this subject ( poorly educated voters = your initial post) degrade those whom it seems you think are beneath you. Again all on full display.
-
You can ask them to count the jelly beans in the jar before you allow them to vote.
The video linked below is an excerpt from Lyndon Johnson's address to Congress urging the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. It is just over two minutes long, but addresses a number of important issues in that short amount of time. It's an example of leadership and empathy combined in a way that is currently sorely lacking.
I recommend taking the two minutes to watch it as a reminder of what we are missing today.
https://www.youtube.com/LBJ Cotulla, Texas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNEOtGRi_w)
Below is a transcript of the full address to Congress...
http://www.lbjlibrary.org/lyndon-baines-johnson/speeches-films/president-johnsons-special-message-to-the-congress-the-american-promise (http://www.lbjlibrary.org/lyndon-baines-johnson/speeches-films/president-johnsons-special-message-to-the-congress-the-american-promise)
-
The video linked below is an excerpt from Lyndon Johnson's address to Congress urging the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. It is just over two minutes long, but addresses a number of important issues in that short amount of time. It's an example of leadership and empathy combined in a way that is currently sorely lacking.
I recommend taking the two minutes to watch it as a reminder of what we are missing today.
https://www.youtube.com/LBJ Cotulla, Texas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdNEOtGRi_w)
Below is a transcript of the full address to Congress...
http://www.lbjlibrary.org/lyndon-baines-johnson/speeches-films/president-johnsons-special-message-to-the-congress-the-american-promise (http://www.lbjlibrary.org/lyndon-baines-johnson/speeches-films/president-johnsons-special-message-to-the-congress-the-american-promise)
Meanwhile Johnson got us into and escalated the Vietnam War that killed millions while Trump, who opposed that war, finished off wars and reduced fighting in other areas while he's president.
-
Meanwhile Johnson got us into and escalated the Vietnam War that killed millions while Trump, who opposed that war, finished off wars and reduced fighting in other areas while he's president.
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what Johnson, along with many others, accomplished in moving civil rights forward in the United States. It's just a statement designed to distract from a completely different subject; for what reason I can only guess.
-
Meanwhile Johnson got us into and escalated the Vietnam War that killed millions while Trump, who opposed that war, finished off wars and reduced fighting in other areas while he's president.
58,220 Americans died in nearly two decades in Vietnam.
Coronavirus has killed far more Americans than Vietnam War! In what, 7 months. Thanks Trump.
How many of Trump's team has been infected this week? 11 at least, Stephan Miller just reported a few hours ago.
How many of Biden's team has been infected Alan?
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with what Johnson, along with many others, accomplished in moving civil rights forward in the United States.
Of course it doesn't. But it's to be expected when the absurd is the last refuge of a pundit without an argument. ;)
Look what Trump has accomplished in moving civil rights backwards in the United States. Good people on both sides. Yeah.
Make America sick and racist again. :'(
-
Short excerpts from the Frontline documentary that sheds light on the differences that we see today in the empathy and character between the candidates.
https://www.youtube.com/Biden’s Stutter: How a Childhood Battle Shaped Him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI3I-V03-Ng)
https://www.youtube.com/Trump the 'Bully': How Childhood & Military School Shaped Him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc5-Uw13V-w)
-
If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age, vote for Biden. Nice guy but not up to the challenge.
-
If you want a socialist left leaning country run by a physically challenged guy who is losing his mental faculties due to advancing age, vote for Biden. Nice guy but not up to the challenge.
There is no left in the US from a European standpoint. Biden would be considered centre-right in Europe.
Your L-R vision would call many European countries extreme left, and yet we are running well.
We even have the freedom to send lying and insulting presidents like Trump off, within a week.
-
There is no left in the US from a European standpoint. Biden would be considered centre-right in Europe.
Your L-R vision would call many European countries extreme left, and yet we are running well.
We even have the freedom to send lying and insulting presidents like Trump off, within a week.
Americans don't care about European politics
-
Americans don't care about European politics
Uninformed Americans don't anyway.
-
Americans don't care about European politics
Then you should stop sticking your nose in it.
-
Americans don't care about European politics
YOU don't care about European politics.
Once again, you feel the need and ability to speak for others, in this case ALL Americans. It's why you're not to be taken seriously. Again.
-
Then you should stop sticking your nose in it.
I think the last time we stuck on nose in it was when we had to send the U.S. Air Force over to Serbia to stop the Serbs and the Croats from killing each other because their European neighbors didn't want to do anything about it. Unfortunately, America has to be your policeman to make sure you play nice.
-
I think the last time we stuck on nose in it was when we had to send the U.S. Air Force over to Serbia to stop the Serbs and the Croats from killing each other because their European neighbors didn't want to do anything about it. Unfortunately, America has to be your policeman to make sure you play nice.
Oh, so you do care after all. Why'd you say you didn't?
-
Every presidential election season since 1988, the PBS documentary series Frontline has produced an incredibly biased biographical documentary. This season is no different.
-
Every presidential election season since 1988, the PBS documentary series Frontline has produced an incredibly biased biographical documentary. This season is no different.
So you have viewed every such documentary since 1988 and can pinpoint for us, one specific example from each: Yes or no?
-
Every presidential election season since 1988, the PBS documentary series Frontline has produced an incredibly biased biographical documentary. This season is no different.
Or, you are a biased viewer. A priori, either is possible. ;)
-
Criticism can be useful when there is something specific that informs the reader. When applied with a broad brush—or in this case simply sprayed on from a can—it is of no real value in making anyone better informed.
-
Every presidential election season since 1988, the PBS documentary series Frontline has produced an incredibly biased biographical documentary. This season is no different.
PBS is run by liberals pushing liberal concepts and paid for by everyone's tax money. They should shut it down.
-
PBS is run by liberals pushing liberal concepts and paid for by everyone's tax money. They should shut it down.
So you have viewed every such documentary they've made and can pinpoint for us, one specific example from each: Yes or no?
So you can't answer my question either.
You should really shut it down.
-
The current Board of Directors for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has eight members. Five of the current board members were appointed by that crazy radical liberal Donald Trump including the Chairman.
"The CPB is governed by a nine-member board of directors selected by the President of the United States and confirmed by the Senate; they serve six-year terms. As of May 2019, the board has eight members, with Bruce M. Ramer as the chair. Under the terms of the Public Broadcasting Act of 1967, the President cannot appoint persons of the same political party to more than five of the nine CPB board seats."
"The Board of Directors governs CPB, sets policy, and establishes programming priorities. The Board appoints the president and chief executive officer, who then names the other corporate officers."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting#Board_composition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting#Board_composition)
-
Political Concerns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting#Political_concerns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting#Political_concerns)
"In 2004 and 2005, people from PBS and NPR complained that the CPB was starting to push a conservative agenda. Board members replied that they were merely seeking balance. Polls of the PBS and NPR audiences in 2002 and 2003 indicated that few felt that the groups' news reports contained bias, and those who saw a slant were split as to which side they believed the reports favored."
"The charge of a conservative agenda came to a head in 2005. Kenneth Tomlinson, chair of the CPB board from September 2003 until September 2005, angered PBS and NPR supporters by unilaterally commissioning a conservative colleague to conduct a study of alleged bias in the PBS show NOW with Bill Moyers, and by appointing two conservatives as CPB Ombudsmen. On November 3, 2005, Tomlinson resigned from the board, prompted by a report of his tenure by the CPB Inspector General, Kenneth Konz, requested by Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives. The report was made public on November 15. It states:
We found evidence that the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) former Chairman violated statutory provisions and the Director's Code of Ethics by dealing directly with one of the creators of a new public affairs program during negotiations with the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) and the CPB over creating the show. Our review also found evidence that suggests "political tests" were a major criteria [sic] used by the former Chairman in recruiting a President/Chief Executive Officer (CEO) for CPB, which violated statutory prohibitions against such practices."
Objectivity and balance requirements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting#Objectivity_and_balance_requirements (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation_for_Public_Broadcasting#Objectivity_and_balance_requirements)
"The Public Broadcasting Act of 1967 requires the CPB to operate with a "strict adherence to objectivity and balance in all programs or series of programs of a controversial nature". It also requires it to regularly review national programming for objectivity and balance, and to report on "its efforts to address concerns about objectivity and balance"."
-
The current Board of Directors for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has eight members. Five of the current board members were appointed by that crazy radical liberal Donald Trump including the Chairman.[/url]
That sound you heard, from facts provided, is Alan and Russ's heads exploding. ;D
-
Changes at the top at PBS may change, but their left leaning bias hasn't.
-
Changes at the top at PBS may change, but their left leaning bias hasn't.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."-Carl Sagan
-
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."-Carl Sagan
I've watched PBS all my life. I draw my own conclusions from what I've seen. It's like color, let's say flesh tones. Do you need someone else to tell you when it's not right?
-
I've watched PBS all my life. I draw my own conclusions from what I've seen. It's like color, let's say flesh tones. Do you need someone else to tell you when it's not right?
”left leaning bias”.
Again, no proof, no facts. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." --Mark Twain
-
”left leaning bias”.
Again, no proof, no facts. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." --Mark Twain
I got the facts first hand from my watching it. I don't need others' bias opinions to tell me what I saw. You're just sealioning me. Have a nice day, Andrew.
-
I got the facts first hand from my watching it. I don't need others' bias opinions to tell me what I saw. You're just sealioning me. Have a nice day, Andrew.
Without data, you're just a person with an opinion.
-
Without data, you're just a person with an opinion.
He just told you that he has watched them his whole life. That's data, and oodles of it.
-
He just told you that he has watched them his whole life. That's data, and oodles of it.
Seems the concept of data and proof of data has once again confused you.
da·ta
/ˈdadə,ˈdādə/
See definitions in:
All
Computing
Philosophy
noun
facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.
-
Our local PBS station shows reruns of The Lawrence Welk Show every Saturday night. Does that qualify as left wing?
-
That's data, and oodles of it.
Shocking, coming from someone who in just one silly post demanding here (https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=134951.msg1170583#msg1170583) actual (hard) data has said:
So, there you have it and I'm still looking for actual test data.
In case you wonder what the data I'm looking for might look like, here is an example. "Camera X from manufacturer Y has 14 stops of dynamic range when just powered up at room temperature.
And again, no hard data, just opinions.
Like Alan. ;D
A while back I tried to get hard data on sensor heating in mirrorless cameras and resulting noise increase/dynamic range decrease.
Anybody aware of real data?
“Hypocrite: The man who murdered his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan.”― Abraham Lincoln
-
Our local PBS station shows reruns of The Lawrence Welk Show every Saturday night. Does that qualify as left wing?
Must be due to all that pot.... ;D
One Toke Over the line (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tdmaEhMHE&feature=youtu.be)
-
Must be due to all that pot.... ;D
One Toke Over the line (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tdmaEhMHE&feature=youtu.be)
Now that video was funny! It begins with Myron Floren trying to clear his throat while introducing the song (One toke too many during the break?) and ends with Welk saying, "There you heard a modern spiritual by Gail and Dale."
-
Well Welk would be happy with Biden/Harris's "new green deal": Marijuana Decriminalization nationally. That's a green deal I can sign onto. 8)
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/biden-administration-will-pursue-marijuana-decriminalization-vp-pick-harris-says/
-
Well, that settles it. No more Lawrence Welk for me. Commies. Just conservative shows from now on. Is Downton Abbey conservative? They did let that chauffeur marry one of the daughters so it makes me wonder. Maybe This Old House. Charlie Rose got kicked off for sexual harassment. That’s conservative, isn’t it? Must be. Everyone is doing it over at Fox. All the shows are sponsored by really rich people with foundations. They’re Republicans, right? Life is so complicated I don’t even know what shows to watch. If Trump wins, I’m cancelling my cable anyway. I can’t take four more years of that fat orange face lying to me every time I turn on the TV, so the problem may solve itself. Trump is even worse than the guy trying to sell you Flexi Seal rubberized paint so you can install screen doors on the bottom of your boat. I bought some and I don't even have a boat. Or screen doors.
-
Well, that settles it. No more Lawrence Welk for me. Commies. Just conservative shows from now on. Is Downton Abbey conservative? They did let that chauffeur marry one of the daughters so it makes me wonder. Maybe This Old House. Charlie Rose got kicked off for sexual harassment. That’s conservative, isn’t it? Must be. Everyone is doing it over at Fox. All the shows are sponsored by really rich people with foundations. They’re Republicans, right? Life is so complicated I don’t even know what shows to watch. If Trump wins, I’m cancelling my cable anyway. I can’t take four more years of that fat orange face lying to me every time I turn on the TV, so the problem may solve itself. Trump is even worse than that guy trying to sell you that rubberized paint so you can install screen doors on the bottom of you boat, and that’s saying a lot.
If Trump loses you won't want to watch anymore. Biden will bore everyone to death and all the cable shows will go broke with no one watching them. Jeremy will shut down the Coffee Corner and we'll all have to start taking pictures again.
-
If Trump loses you won't want to watch anymore. Biden will bore everyone to death and all the cable shows will go broke with no one watching them. Jeremy will shut down the Coffee Corner and we'll all have to start taking pictures again.
Even more reason to vote Biden.
Of course, peaceful transfer of power? Neither Trump or Pence will agree to do so when repeatedly asked.
Unlike you, I never stopped making pictures. ::)
-
Even more reason to vote Biden.
Of course, peaceful transfer of power? Neither Trump or Pence will agree to do so when repeatedly asked.
Actually it would be better to stop politics for awhile. We're all caught up in too much of it.
-
Actually it would be better to stop politics for awhile. We're all caught up in too much of it.
Speaking for everyone again; unnecessary and tiring.
-
Speaking for everyone again; unnecessary and tiring.
Why are you speaking again for me? It's unnecessary and tiring.
-
Why are you speaking again for me?
I'm not; I'm pointing to your own words. I have even used formatting of YOUR own words to focus you to your own writings and you've still missed it.
Perhaps you also need dexamethasone? :D
-
If Trump loses you won't want to watch anymore. Biden will bore everyone to death and all the cable shows will go broke with no one watching them. Jeremy will shut down the Coffee Corner and we'll all have to start taking pictures again.
Count me in!