Luminous Landscape Forum
The Art of Photography => Street Showcase => Topic started by: chez on February 26, 2020, 12:26:07 pm
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Pilgrim in camp during the Kumb Mela festival in India.
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You're still on a roll, Chez. Keep shooting.
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Pilgrim in camp during the Kumb Mela festival in India.
If I'm out for a nice quiet dinner ... and some Yahoo photographer comes along the street and tries to take our photo...he'll end up with a broken camera...if not a nose.
I gather your camera and nose are ok? ;)
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I gather your camera and nose are ok? ;)
My experience in India is that the majority of people are amenable to being photographed and those who aren't make it perfectly clear that they're not.
In short, a photographer's paradise.
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I gather your camera and nose are ok? ;)
Actually I was invited into their camp to take photos and they even gave me some breakfast. I must have taken a couple dozen posed photos of everyone and their dog in the camp. I spent a few minutes with this lady getting to know her and watched as she cooked up some breakfast. She was very amenable of me taking her photo.
My photos are either taken from a distance thus not in someone's face or I have permission to take their photo...much different than running up to some stranger and sticking a camera into their face to get some goofy expression.
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My experience in India is that the majority of people are amenable to being photographed and those who aren't make it perfectly clear that they're not.
In short, a photographer's paradise.
Exactly. I had people running up to me and asking to be photographed. Now Morocco...a total different story.
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...much different than running up to some stranger and sticking a camera into their face to get some goofy expression.
It is different. But why are we talking about it? There are only two photographers in the world that practice that, Bruce Gilden and that Japanese guy. Most of us don't do it like that (actually, I do not do it at all).
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It is different. But why are we talking about it? There are only two photographers in the world that practice that, Bruce Gilden and that Japanese guy. Most of us don't do it like that (actually, I do not do it at all).
Ummm...I believe you brought up the subject in this thread with your first post. I'd personally would rather discuss the image.
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Ummm...I believe you brought up the subject in this thread with your first post. I'd personally would rather discuss the image.
I quoted your opinion from another thread about street photography, where you advocated a bloody nose as a response. But the issue (in the other thread) is street photography in general, not necessarily the in-your-face approach by the two aforementioned photographers. Although Bruce does it in New York, where nothing surprises anyone.
If you want to talk about the picture, it is ok, but hardly able to stand on its own, outside some reportage narrative.
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Now Morocco...a total different story.
Yes. My experience of Morocco was marred by constant demands for money. I've never felt more like a walking wallet. I shan't be going back.
Jeremy
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Yes. My experience of Morocco was marred by constant demands for money. I've never felt more like a walking wallet. I shan't be going back.
Jeremy
All the more room for those of us who love the place.
(https://www.keithlaban.co.uk/Beware_the_Cat.jpg)
:-)
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Yes. My experience of Morocco was marred by constant demands for money. I've never felt more like a walking wallet. I shan't be going back.
Jeremy
They assume that you're making money with your photography.
They just want their part. If you'd got a model you'd also have to pay her.
Not only that. The behaviour of many foreigners makes people angry.
Just an anecdote:
I remember watching a bus full of tourists halting outside a kasbah.
Lots of chidren came running for candies or coins, as they usually do.
One of the tourisst tossed around a handful of coins. The children ran to pick them.
The tourists took pictures of the action. Like at the zoo.
I was sitting around with a group of adult Berbers.
The Berbers were very angry...
Friendly people that feel they are being abused. Treated disrespectfully
MHO
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They assume that you're making money with your photography.
No, Rab, it had nothing to do with photography: most of the time, I didn't even have a camera.
Jeremy
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...much different than running up to some stranger and sticking a camera into their face to get some goofy expression.
Chez,
Who's brand of street photography are you siting here? I'm curious. It's a type of photography I abhor!
Peter
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No, Rab, it had nothing to do with photography: most of the time, I didn't even have a camera.
Jeremy
Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Since this is a photography thread I assumed wrongly that we were talking of photography related issues-
My fault ::)
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... Lots of chidren came running for candies or coins, as they usually do.
One of the tourisst tossed around a handful of coins. The children ran to pick them...
Chicken or egg?
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Chicken or egg?
If you read the Bible, you'd know that it is the chicken that was created first.
From the evolutionary point of view there was first a non-chicken bird, kind of "proto-chicken" who laid an egg containing for the first time the DNA (through mutationen etc) of the "modern-chicken". So the egg was first.
So if you prefer clear cut answers, I'd reccomend you the Bible.
If instead you prefer science, I reccomend you Campbell's Biology.
Both are thick books :)
This said, the chicken-egg dilemma does not apply in this case anyway.
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...This said, the chicken-egg dilemma does not apply in this case anyway.
How so?
Who started first? Tourists throwing coins made kids run for it, or kids first swirled around tourists ("as they usually do") until they throw coins or candies to free themselves?
Who's to be angry at in this situation: a seemingly despondent Cuban kid on the street... a passing American tourist feels sorry for the boy and offers him a dollar, probably 10% of his parents monthly salary, which he accepts.
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Slobodan, you missed the point.
It looks like you start answering before reading and understanding the text.
I'll try to explain:
One of the tourists tossed around a handful of coins. The children ran to pick them.
The tourists took pictures of the action. Like at the zoo.
The point is:
"The tourists took pictures of the action. Like at the zoo."
That's the point you missed. That's what made the adults angry.
Maybe a different example, Slobodan.
If I go to a restaurant I usually give a tip. Where I live it is voluntary.
Sometimes I give more, sometimes less.
But I would never throw the money to the floor an take photos of the waiter (eventually) picking it up.
Notice the difference?
Hope this helps.
I'm not going to enter an argument "the other children started the fight..."
I'm older than that now.
And PLEESE, no offence meant. Just different idiosincracies...
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The tossing of coins is as old as the hills, or at least as old as the venerable Frank Horvat.
In one of the sections of his vast horvatland site he mentions running away from a crowd and escaping by that very device: throwing the contents of his pocket onto the street. I think it was in Calcutta. But he came prepared for it.
http://www.horvatland.com/WEB/main.htm
Rob
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... One of the tourists tossed around a handful of coins. The children ran to pick them.
The tourists took pictures of the action...
Which raises the question: what exactly is objectionable in street photography in general, or in this example in particular - the real-life event or taking a picture of it?
Your example with a tip misses the point. Throwing tip money on the floor for one waiter is clearly disrespectful. Throwing it for a bunch of kids is simply more practical than walking to each of them and giving it individually, especially if you have less money (coins or banknotes) than there are kids.
Having said that, I personally am not the type to throw it on the ground only to take a picture of the ensuing fight for it and God forbid, laugh about it. That is disrespectful. But again, what are we angry about here: real-life action of tourists or taking picture of it? It seems to me some here think that it is picture taking, not real-life action, that warrants our disapproval.
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Yes. My experience of Morocco was marred by constant demands for money. I've never felt more like a walking wallet. I shan't be going back.
Jeremy
During her lost years as a guia immediately post-uni, my daughter and another girl, both working for the same tour operator, were given a winter freebie holiday in Morocco. They ended up not leaving the hotel after the first day. Not pestered for money, but as sexual prey. Never again.
Rob
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...Not pestered for money, but as sexual prey. Never again.
"If the mountain won't come to Muhammad, then Muhammad must go to the mountain" ;)
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During her lost years as a guia immediately post-uni, my daughter and another girl, both working for the same tour operator, were given a winter freebie holiday in Morocco. They ended up not leaving the hotel after the first day. Not pestered for money, but as sexual prey. Never again.
Rob
Well I'd never reccomend ladies to make holidays unaccompanied in a muslim land. European women have a reputation, coming from a completely different culture.
The are seen with different eyes. And I've seen some emancipated "europeanesses" looking for "adventure", confirming the beliefs of the natives.
In the eyes of many devout Muslims "European lady" equals "whore", however undeserved.
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When in Morocco, do like the Moroccans. When I was there I saw many woman dressed scantily which goes against the Moroccan culture. When one travels into other cultures, you must respect that culture or don't go there. It's as simple as that.
As far as photography goes in Morocco, yes many people do not want to get their photos taken...and if you try and sneak a shot and get caught...you might be chased down. Here is an image which was taken in a leather tannery. I was there for about 20 minutes with my camera hanging off my wrist, but not taking any photos. Everyone working there saw me and after 20 minutes were comfortable with me. I then made some eye contact basically asking if it was OK to take some photos. I was accepted and was able to take a few images.
This is an image of a boy working at the tannery.
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...When one travels into other cultures, you must respect that culture or don't go there. It's as simple as that...
It doesn't seem to work in reverse.
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... European women have a reputation, coming from a completely different culture.
The are seen with different eyes. And I've seen some emancipated "europeanesses" looking for "adventure", confirming the beliefs of the natives.
In the eyes of many devout Muslims "European lady" equals "whore", however undeserved.
Sooo... European women emasculated their men, then circle the world looking for "real" men? Priceless ;D
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It doesn't seem to work in reverse.
Elaborate please.
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Elaborate please.
Well, when they come to our, Western culture, they expect us to bent over backwards to accommodate their culture.
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Well, when they come to our, Western culture, they expect us to bent over backwards to accommodate their culture.
Really? I don't see it. I have tour buses pass through my town everyday on their way to the Rockies. Many buses stop here for the night and I see many tourists out enjoying the outdoors and browsing through the local galleries. I see zero evidence of foreigners wanting their culture to be accommodated.
However many of the Asian tour buses stop at the local Chinese restaurants which I find kind of weird as I would think our local Chinese cuisine is butchered compared to what is available in Asia.
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During her lost years as a guia immediately post-uni, my daughter and another girl, both working for the same tour operator, were given a winter freebie holiday in Morocco. They ended up not leaving the hotel after the first day. Not pestered for money, but as sexual prey. Never again.
That certainly wasn't my problem. It's been a long time since anyone saw me as sexual prey.
If ever.
Jeremy
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That certainly wasn't my problem. It's been a long time since anyone saw me as sexual prey.
If ever.
Jeremy
Wouldn't be a problem for me. I prefer women
;D
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Wouldn't be a problem for me. I prefer women
;D
I have retired.
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Tell me about it. I'll be ninety in seventeen days. But I look back on it with delight.
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Tell me about it. I'll be ninety in seventeen days. But I look back on it with delight.
And that, my friend, says it all!
Have a great day.
Keith
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When in Morocco, do like the Moroccans. When I was there I saw many woman dressed scantily which goes against the Moroccan culture. When one travels into other cultures, you must respect that culture or don't go there. It's as simple as that.
As far as photography goes in Morocco, yes many people do not want to get their photos taken...and if you try and sneak a shot and get caught...you might be chased down. Here is an image which was taken in a leather tannery. I was there for about 20 minutes with my camera hanging off my wrist, but not taking any photos. Everyone working there saw me and after 20 minutes were comfortable with me. I then made some eye contact basically asking if it was OK to take some photos. I was accepted and was able to take a few images.
This is an image of a boy working at the tannery.
okay, where's the logic? Why do you need to be dressed beautifully and bright if yo're not a Moroccan. You're just a traveller, visitor, nothing more. Wearing sth special means that you wanna try this culture and taste is just like the breakfast this tread started with. However, when you'd like just o take photos, I guess, no need...
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I guess the point of the sentence was the word 'scantily'.
Jonathan
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okay, where's the logic? Why do you need to be dressed beautifully and bright if yo're not a Moroccan. You're just a traveller, visitor, nothing more. Wearing sth special means that you wanna try this culture and taste is just like the breakfast this tread started with. However, when you'd like just o take photos, I guess, no need...
I believe that you have put accents wrongly. Morrocans are okay with the tourists, I guess. By the way, speaking of breakfast, I've got hungry(( Every morning when I don't have time I cook tortillas, I love them, I usually cook them for the days I'm in a hurry all day. Moreover, I've even bought myself a tortilla press, which is a nice purchase. I've discovered some variants as wellfed has a nice article (https://www.wellfed.net/best-tortilla-press-reviews/) where are described all best tortilla presses. Great source, besides, nice info offered there!