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The Art of Photography => Landscape Showcase => Topic started by: Arlen on December 29, 2019, 03:06:16 pm

Title: Twisted
Post by: Arlen on December 29, 2019, 03:06:16 pm
A particularly interesting old Juniper, I thought, encountered near the Badlands Wilderness Area in central Oregon.

Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: RMW on December 29, 2019, 09:08:02 pm
I like this rendering.
Very expressive.
Richard
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Post by: Bob_B on December 30, 2019, 07:52:19 am
I agree. Nicely done.
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Post by: francois on December 30, 2019, 08:06:25 am
Very crunchy but I like it.
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Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on December 30, 2019, 09:39:42 am
Nice.
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Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on December 30, 2019, 10:42:42 am
Very crunchy but I like it.

Looks like it has had one of those "art" plug-ins applied to it, but none the less, I think the composition is wonderful and if you like this sort of processing technique, then this shot certainly ticks all the right boxes  ;)

Dave
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: thierrylegros396 on December 30, 2019, 10:55:55 am
Looks like it has had one of those "art" plug-ins applied to it, but none the less, I think the composition is wonderful and if you like this sort of processing technique, then this shot certainly ticks all the right boxes  ;)

Dave

Exactly what I thought.

Thierry
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Arlen on December 30, 2019, 01:12:24 pm
Thanks, guys. Not an art filter, but the look is intentional. I appreciate your feedback.
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 30, 2019, 03:20:10 pm
Twisted.

The file. You twisted it until you squeezed the last drop of reality out of it. In other words, too crunchy.

Otherwise, quite a nice scene and composition.
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Post by: rabanito on December 31, 2019, 08:12:57 am
Looks like it has had one of those "art" plug-ins applied to it, but none the less,
Dave

What are "art" plug-ins?
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on December 31, 2019, 08:37:22 am
What are "art" plug-ins?

Seriously!? Where you’ve been this century? ;)
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: rabanito on December 31, 2019, 11:20:16 am
Seriously!? Where you’ve been this century? ;)

Maybe I'm more interested in photography than in "art"  ;)

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Post by: Paulo Bizarro on January 02, 2020, 05:15:04 am
Great composition.
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Arlen on January 03, 2020, 01:19:25 am
The original image above employed an experimental processing that was intended to simply some elements, details and tones, to focus more attention on overall form. Not surprisingly I guess, that processing didn't appeal to everyone.

So I'm attaching another black and white version generated with more conventional processing, as well as one that is in color, for your perusal.

Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Dave (Isle of Skye) on January 03, 2020, 09:27:48 am
The original image above employed an experimental processing that was intended to simply some elements, details and tones, to focus more attention on overall form. Not surprisingly I guess, that processing didn't appeal to everyone.

So I'm attaching another black and white version generated with more conventional processing, as well as one that is in color, for your perusal.

Well I for one really do prefer the colour version of the image as shown above, much more so than any of the others.

Dave
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: guido on January 05, 2020, 08:13:08 am
My vote is for the second b&w version although the color version is lovely too...
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Post by: RSL on January 05, 2020, 10:19:41 am
For the picture to be most effective the twisted tree has to stand out against its background. It does so more in the color version than either B&W version, so I vote for the color version. Were the tree more against a detail-less background I'd vote for the B&W because the graphics would be more important than the color.
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Martin Kristiansen on January 05, 2020, 10:47:40 am
I am in agreement with Russ.

The processing of the black and white is very crunchy and that makes it very difficult to separate subject from background which further compounds the problem.
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on January 05, 2020, 01:23:50 pm
I'm with Russ and Martin on this.
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Arlen on January 05, 2020, 03:08:20 pm
Well I am now back home looking at these images on my usual monitor, where the crunchiness that has been mentioned is now apparent to me. It is present in the jpegs but not in the master files. So I've made new, better quality jpegs that I'm attaching here.

Nevertheless, after having lived with these images a while longer, I agree that the color version is probably the best, for the reasons Russ noted. Thanks again to all of you for your comments. Sometimes it takes a village.  :)
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Post by: Jeremy Roussak on January 05, 2020, 04:17:46 pm
Nevertheless, after having lived with these images a while longer, I agree that the color version is probably the best, for the reasons Russ noted. Thanks again to all of you for your comments. Sometimes it takes a village.  :)

I agree, and I'm very much a B&W fan. I suspect with a little extra processing you could get more separation between the tree and the surroundings without creating something which looks artificial.

Jeremy
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Post by: Stephen Ray on January 05, 2020, 04:36:54 pm
Well I am now back home looking at these images on my usual monitor, where the crunchiness that has been mentioned is now apparent to me. It is present in the jpegs but not in the master files. So I've made new, better quality jpegs that I'm attaching here.

Nevertheless, after having lived with these images a while longer, I agree that the color version is probably the best, for the reasons Russ noted. Thanks again to all of you for your comments. Sometimes it takes a village.  :)

Since that's out of the way, how about that giant distracting rock in the foreground?
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Arlen on January 05, 2020, 04:45:52 pm
Since that's out of the way, how about that giant distracting rock in the foreground?

Sorry, that stays. It's an important part of the scene for me.
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 05, 2020, 05:42:41 pm
Sorry, that stays. It's an important part of the scene for me.

It is.

However, how about making it slightly darker and slightly less contrasty? That way it provides compositional balance, but doesn’t compete for attention with the main point of interest.
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Post by: Stephen Ray on January 05, 2020, 06:14:08 pm
It is.

However, how about making it slightly darker and slightly less contrasty? That way it provides compositional balance, but doesn’t compete for attention with the main point of interest.

The giant distracting rock is only important if one were to title the art as; "Twisted with a Giant Distracting Rock." Cropping the art to a tight square, omitting most of the rock, bringing down the the highlights of what's left of the rock which results to an ideal corner base, vignetting the square, brightening the highlights of the twist, delights Alfred Hitchcock when he asks; "What is this a picture of?"

"Twisted," which I could especially enjoy in my music room along with certain Joni Mitchell records such as Court And Spark.
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: MattBurt on January 06, 2020, 12:20:44 pm
Looks like a real compositional challenge to make the tree stand out of the background.
I think the final color one is probably the best.
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Post by: Arlen on January 06, 2020, 04:00:27 pm
Thanks, Slobodan and Matt.

Stephen, the additional steps you recommended do result in a nice image; though not the one I was after in this case. Apparently you take forum subject titles a little more seriously than I do. Interesting thoughts, nevertheless.
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Post by: Stephen Ray on January 07, 2020, 12:39:48 am
Apparently you take forum subject titles a little more seriously than I do. Interesting thoughts, nevertheless.
Comes from exposure long ago to my local chapter’s version of PPofA print judging and merit guidelines. Entry titles were required and counted heavily in a point system. If a work called “Rhapsody In Blue” was cyan, the entry failed on more than one level. If the entry succeeded on most other aspects, the entrant was educated of faults but encouraged to re-enter the work once they felt issues were addressed. The exercise helped create a lot of strong and confident photographers (as well as their service providers) very quickly, which was a goal.

"Twisted" could easily be an outstanding piece.
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Post by: thierrylegros396 on January 07, 2020, 02:14:34 am
To my eyes, the sky is more interesting and the overall lighting is better in the color version.

Have a Nice Day.

Thierry
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Arlen on January 07, 2020, 10:45:49 am
Thanks to all of you once again. I'm continuing to work with it as I have time.
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Jeremy Roussak on January 07, 2020, 02:40:02 pm
Thanks to all of you once again. I'm continuing to work with it as I have time.

I think Slobodan's suggestion of darkening the foreground rock, and blurring it a little, is a very good one.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Twisted
Post by: Arlen on January 07, 2020, 05:46:10 pm
Me too.