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Title: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Rhossydd on December 04, 2019, 07:20:46 am
As the title.

Just waiting for my activation code.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Paul Steunebrink on December 04, 2019, 08:44:21 am
Hope you activation code comes quickly.

After a month of testing, I created a review for you:
Capture One Pro 20 Review (https://imagealchemist.net/capture-one-pro-20-review/)
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: John Hollenberg on December 04, 2019, 09:05:24 am
I pre-ordered C1 20, have an activation code but it is "Invalid".  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: John Hollenberg on December 04, 2019, 09:21:08 am
I pre-ordered C1 20, have an activation code but it is "Invalid".  Thoughts?

Turns out they have the most convoluted system that man can devise.  You have to "Upgrade" again and enter your License Key in order to get your true License Key to activate the product.  You don't get charged when you "Upgrade" in this way.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Rhossydd on December 04, 2019, 09:36:58 am
Turns out they have the most convoluted system that man can devise.  You have to "Upgrade" again and enter your License Key in order to get your true License Key to activate the product.  You don't get charged when you "Upgrade" in this way.
Thanks, indeed an overly complicated system.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: earlybird on December 04, 2019, 09:38:47 am
Does it install over or next too C1 v12?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: spassig on December 04, 2019, 09:39:10 am
Hello guys.

I receive the email with this info.

Als Phase One Kunde haben Sie Zugriff auf eine kostenlose und lebenslange Capture One for Phase One Lizenz.
Nehmen Sie Anspruch auf Ihre lebenslange Lizenz für eine kostenlose Capture One for Phase One Vollversion – welche exklusiv für Phase One Bilddateien erhältlich ist. Registrieren Sie dafür einfach ein geeignetes Phase One Digitalrückteil unter Ihrem Profil auf phaseone.com in dem Garantieabschnitt.


As a Phase One customer, you have access to a free and lifetime Capture One for Phase One license.
Get your lifetime license for a free Capture One for Phase One full version - available exclusively for Phase One image files. Simply register a suitable Phase One digital back under your phaseone.com profile in the warranty section.


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Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Rhossydd on December 04, 2019, 09:41:27 am
Does it install over or next too C1 v12?
In addition to.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kers on December 04, 2019, 09:58:11 am
I need an activation key and a registration key
they need to have the name of my computer ... they ask all the same question about me all over again ...  just to make a trail version work

All in all i cannot find the registration key- i give up...

edit; it worked after some trying...
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: earlybird on December 04, 2019, 10:00:34 am
Thank you!
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on December 04, 2019, 12:24:21 pm
Does it install over or next too C1 v12?

You can have multiple versions installed side by side, in their own subdirectory/folder.
However, new processing engines require updating earlier variants, which is a one way operation.
So you can create a new variant, or duplicate one, and only update the processing engine for that variant.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kers on December 04, 2019, 03:16:12 pm
I see that C1 and LR learn from eachother;  they copy each others tools...
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: myotis on December 04, 2019, 04:50:35 pm
I see that C1 and LR learn from eachother;  they copy each others tools...

I'm not sure how correct that is, tools with the same or similar names don't neccessarily do the same things.

For example the new HDR tools don't work the same as the LR tools of the same name, http://alexonraw.com/capture-one-20/ you will need to scroll down to see the comparsion.

Comparsions of other tools, over the years (I don't have any links anymore) also show differences, even in things as fundamental as the exposure slider.

They obviously do learn from each other, but not as much as the similarity of tool names might suggest.

Cheers,

Graham
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 04, 2019, 08:31:36 pm
This seems like a very nice update.

Looking forward to testing it as soon as my Mac stops crashing. :(

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kirkt on December 04, 2019, 09:20:35 pm
Turns out they have the most convoluted system that man can devise.  You have to "Upgrade" again and enter your License Key in order to get your true License Key to activate the product.  You don't get charged when you "Upgrade" in this way.

Yep - I was confused too - you need to use your pre-order "license key" like a coupon code.  Log in to your account and you will be presented with a list of your current licenses that can be upgraded.  Follow the prompts and enter your license key where you would normally order a coupon or promotional code and the balance that you owe should show 0.  Then finish the purchase and there you go.

I also had to run CaptureOne 20 and deactivate the beta license (I was using the various betas) and then activate the purchased license.

kirk
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: jodo on December 04, 2019, 10:47:26 pm
Yep - I was confused too - you need to use your pre-order "license key" like a coupon code.  Log in to your account and you will be presented with a list of your current licenses that can be upgraded.  Follow the prompts and enter your license key where you would normally order a coupon or promotional code and the balance that you owe should show 0.  Then finish the purchase and there you go.

I also had to run CaptureOne 20 and deactivate the beta license (I was using the various betas) and then activate the purchased license.

kirk

If I did this right it did not work for me. I selected upgrade pro 20, the basic package. Pasted my PRO20 code in the coupon field and was told “code you
entered  does not exist.”
What am I missing?
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: JaapD on December 05, 2019, 12:40:28 am
Did you select the same upgrade package as you purchased during the pre-ordering?
Did you paste in ALL 17 characters of the code, like “C120PRO-XXXXX-PRE” in the coupon field?

Then in my opinion it should work….

Regards,
Jaap.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Paul Steunebrink on December 05, 2019, 09:07:16 am
Hello guys.

I receive the email with this info.

Als Phase One Kunde haben Sie Zugriff auf eine kostenlose und lebenslange Capture One for Phase One Lizenz.
Nehmen Sie Anspruch auf Ihre lebenslange Lizenz für eine kostenlose Capture One for Phase One Vollversion – welche exklusiv für Phase One Bilddateien erhältlich ist. Registrieren Sie dafür einfach ein geeignetes Phase One Digitalrückteil unter Ihrem Profil auf phaseone.com in dem Garantieabschnitt.


As a Phase One customer, you have access to a free and lifetime Capture One for Phase One license.
Get your lifetime license for a free Capture One for Phase One full version - available exclusively for Phase One image files. Simply register a suitable Phase One digital back under your phaseone.com profile in the warranty section.


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Hi Jochen,
Up to Capture One 12 you could activate it using the DB option. This is a free 'Pro' kind of product but limited to team Phase One image files.

The product selection system has changed in Capture One 20. All kinds of Pro and Express get their license key direct from the website. There is no selection screen in Capture One 20 anymore.

Phase One digital back owners can now sign up for the former DB option via their user profile. It is apparently named Capture One for Phase One.

A nice example of how two divisions in one company now become more independent from each other. Phase One as a Capture One customer...
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: earlybird on December 05, 2019, 09:25:03 am
You can have multiple versions installed side by side, in their own subdirectory/folder.
However, new processing engines require updating earlier variants, which is a one way operation.
So you can create a new variant, or duplicate one, and only update the processing engine for that variant.

Does the term "variants" refer to the .cpf and .cop fils?

Thank you1
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: narikin on December 05, 2019, 10:54:44 am
Can someone tell me how to get my preferred default page/tab layout, imported into CO20?

It seems to have defaulted to a plain template and not picked what I had built up in v12.

Edit: Found it. Window> workspace> select
A reminder to save your workspace before v12 is replaced with v20 would be great.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on December 05, 2019, 11:14:03 am
Does the term "variants" refer to the .cpf and .cop fils?

Variants are (differently) rendered versions of a Raw file. Each Raw file can be rendered is different ways in Capture One. When you right-mouse-button click on a thumbnail (the current variant), you can choose to create a New Variant (a not yet edited version, beyond default rendering), or Clone a Variant (a copy including all the current edits). One could look at Variants as being snapshots or alternatives of the same Raw source image.

By making such a Variant, one can assign a different/new processing engine to a Variant, or keep the original engine's rendering. Variants can be Picked (made the primary choice), or Promoted/Demoted to change their order of appearance in the list of thumbnails, in the Image menu. This also allows to look at multiple variations of rendering the same Raw file side-by-side, and choose a prefered one.

This also allows to Proof and tweak different Variants for different output media/gamuts, but that can become difficult to track unless you also keep a record of it with added keywording (e.g. add an intended Output medium keyword hierarchy).

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on December 05, 2019, 11:18:36 am
Edit: Found it. Window> workspace> select
A reminder to save your workspace before v12 is replaced with v20 would be great.

Always a good thing, saving the preferred workspace layout, or layouts for different workflows.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Craig Lamson on December 05, 2019, 11:28:37 am
Process button moved...sucks.

I've been using C1 since V3 and now they move the process button.  Really, what for?  Can I have my old placement back....please?
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kers on December 05, 2019, 11:55:02 am
I am new to C1 - am a LR user, and must say i like some parts of it very much.
But I think LR is faster in developing: C1 hardly uses the CPU ( 15% of one core) so you need a very fast GPU. LR used to be slow,  but now uses the GPU and the CPU together while developing.

what i don't like but maybe because i just don't know:

1 not enough lenscorrections available .
2 no history menu
3 No way to standard spot-remove the spots i always have on my sensor ( due to laserlights)
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: gazwas on December 05, 2019, 12:00:35 pm
Process button moved...sucks.
Little things like this annoy the hell out of me  - Why move something as long serving, familiar and heavily used as the process button?  >:(

I've always made adjustments to the selected recipe then hit the process button. If none of the recipe details change I have the process icon in the toolbar over the browser - why now put it in the recipe list?

This is like when we all knew (in the old days) the image browser to be on the RHS then Phase decided it should default to along the bottom just for the hell of it. Thanks goodness the image browser position became moveable.

The joys of getting old and grumpy........  ;D
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Craig Lamson on December 05, 2019, 12:11:38 pm

The joys of getting old and grumpy........  ;D

 ;D
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on December 05, 2019, 12:13:33 pm
Little things like this annoy the hell out of me  - Why move something as long serving, familiar and heavily used as the process button?  >:(

I've always made adjustments to the selected recipe then hit the process button. If none of the recipe details change I have the process icon in the toolbar over the browser - why now put it in the recipe list?

This is like when we all knew (in the old days) the image browser to be on the RHS then Phase decided it should default to along the bottom just for the hell of it. Thanks goodness the image browser position became moveable.

The joys of getting old and grumpy........  ;D

;D  CTRL+D does the trick...
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: earlybird on December 05, 2019, 01:00:14 pm
Thank you!
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Craig Lamson on December 05, 2019, 03:07:31 pm
;D  CTRL+D does the trick...
IMO
It doesn't solve the real issue.  Moving a long placed and very important button served no real reason.  Oh if you want to see all the recipes and then process, fine.  But quite frankly that means nothing to me and I really wonder how many it affects.  A far better solution was to leave the dang thing alone and add a SECOND button on the recipes tab if thats what they wanted. 
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: UnfamiliarLight on December 05, 2019, 04:45:19 pm
There could be some people who didn't even know that button existed. I didn't :)
With the button at the top I might use it but I'll likely just stick with using the big gear like icon in the tool bar to kick things off. Given the UI that automatically collapses the tool windows or in v20 will scroll the Process Summary off screen that button is likely hardly ever on screen for people. Personally I would have actually ditched it totally.
A button in the window that shows the currently selected recipe but kicks off the processing of all checked recipes is not really a great design. Hence my opinion they should just remove it all together. There is a nice button on the tool bar to do the job.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Christopher on December 05, 2019, 05:30:52 pm
Just for your information it takes C1 1/4 of the time to process 100 GFX100 files compared to Lightroom.
That’s on a 8core / 16thread computer. (With a good graphic card)
I am new to C1 - am a LR user, and must say i like some parts of it very much.
But I think LR is faster in developing: C1 hardly uses the CPU ( 15% of one core) so you need a very fast GPU. LR used to be slow,  but now uses the GPU and the CPU together while developing.

what i don't like but maybe because i just don't know:

1 not enough lenscorrections available .
2 no history menu
3 No way to standard spot-remove the spots i always have on my sensor ( due to laserlights)
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kers on December 05, 2019, 07:21:50 pm
Just for your information it takes C1 1/4 of the time to process 100 GFX100 files compared to Lightroom.
That’s on a 8core / 16thread computer. (With a good graphic card)
Aha: LR is 2x as fast here on d850 raws... about 40 Raws/minute to tiff 16bit.. C1 about 20
It must be a very good graphics card then...or a slow 8core - or both.   
Mine is a middle of the road AMD radeon 480RX 8tb and the CPU 10 core i9 runs 20 threads at 4.3GHZ
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: jodo on December 05, 2019, 10:03:32 pm
Did you select the same upgrade package as you purchased during the pre-ordering?
Did you paste in ALL 17 characters of the code, like “C120PRO-XXXXX-PRE” in the coupon field?

Then in my opinion it should work….

Regards,
Jaap.

Jaap,
My original reply to you seems to have been swallowed by the web.
Yes, I selected the same package as 12 - basic $159
I pasted the “coupon code” directly from the confirmation email.
Including dashes there are 18 characters. In line with your example.
The cart from fastspring returns the error “The promotional code you entered does not exist.”
I have opened a ticket with phase. It’s been almost 24 hours since they last responded. Hope they can quickly cut thru this mess quickly. We’ll see.
Thanks for your reply.
Joe
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Ferp on December 05, 2019, 11:38:02 pm
You can have multiple versions installed side by side, in their own subdirectory/folder.

This may have been true in the beta, but it doesn't look quite so simple with the release.  I did the upgrade and downloaded, but was proposing to let the dust settle a bit before installing V20.  However when I opened V12 to do some edits I was told that my license had been deactivated and I was in trial mode.  I assume this was as a result of the upgrade.  So while you may be able to have both installed, you only get one license it seems.  Has it always been like this?
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: fdisilvestro on December 06, 2019, 01:27:53 am
It has always been the case. Each instance requires an activation. If you have a permanent licence you have 3 activations or if you are a subscriber 2 activations.
You can manage your activations in the captureone.com website
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: BernardLanguillier on December 06, 2019, 01:48:38 am
Aha: LR is 2x as fast here on d850 raws... about 40 Raws/minute to tiff 16bit.. C1 about 20
It must be a very good graphics card then...or a slow 8core - or both.   
Mine is a middle of the road AMD radeon 480RX 8tb and the CPU 10 core i9 runs 20 threads at 4.3GHZ

On my 6 years old mac pro with 2 GPUs C1 Pro 12 is several times faster than LR.

Cheers,
Bernard
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: ihv on December 06, 2019, 04:31:18 am
Process button moved...sucks.

I've been using C1 since V3 and now they move the process button.  Really, what for?  Can I have my old placement back....please?

So something that took work and effort, went for nothing, but at the same time some simple things didn't get implemented like overwright on export?
At times it's confusing how the features are considered.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: spassig on December 06, 2019, 04:48:43 am
So something that took work and effort, went for nothing, but at the same time some simple things didn't get implemented like overwright on export?
At times it's confusing how the features are considered.

What Do You mean with overwright on export.
I don’t find a translation for German language.

Jochen
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: ihv on December 06, 2019, 06:54:22 am
What Do You mean with overwright on export.
I don’t find a translation for German language.

Jochen

To have the possibility to replace the files on export when a file with the same name is found.
Not sure it helps with the translation ..
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: spassig on December 06, 2019, 07:00:12 am
To have the possibility to replace the files on export when a file with the same name is found.
Not sure it helps with the translation ..

Thanks, it helps.

Jochen
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: ihv on December 06, 2019, 10:37:52 am
Thanks, it helps.

Jochen

No wonder the initial version didn't get translated - it had to be 'overwrite' :-)
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: spassig on December 06, 2019, 10:43:15 am
No wonder the initial version didn't get translated - it had to be 'overwrite' :-)

OK ;-)

Jochen
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on December 06, 2019, 11:11:40 am
In modern data management practices, over-writing or even deleting is seen as bad practice.

The better practice is Versioning, which always allows recreating an earlier instance.
That's probably why Capture One only supports incremental numbering, instead of over-writing.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: ihv on December 06, 2019, 01:35:34 pm
Yet many (I'd even go so far as to say most) tools allow for that practice. Isn't it also an unproportional measure considering there is no editing history? In programming, it's the source what matters not the compiled artefact - that's what I believe is industry standard.
Considering all that it's beyond me why the practices are forced, not given as an option.

In modern data management practices, over-writing or even deleting is seen as bad practice.

The better practice is Versioning, which always allows recreating an earlier instance.
That's probably why Capture One only supports incremental numbering, instead of over-writing.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on December 06, 2019, 02:56:29 pm
Yet many (I'd even go so far as to say most) tools allow for that practice. Isn't it also an unproportional measure considering there is no editing history? In programming, it's the source what matters not the compiled artefact - that's what I believe is industry standard.

Not really, it's one of several approaches to store intermediate results during an edit session. Snapshots are another approach.
The approach that was implemented by e.g. Affinity Photo is much better, it offers a history of sequential changes during an edit session, including branches into other sequences, a funtion they call "Cycle futures". So when a historical point in the history sequence is activated, and different processing is chosen from that point onward, then an additional branch is made in history. One can then cycle between different "futures". https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/tutorials/photo/desktop/video/310764514/
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Ferp on December 06, 2019, 05:36:37 pm
It has always been the case. Each instance requires an activation. If you have a permanent licence you have 3 activations or if you are a subscriber 2 activations.
You can manage your activations in the captureone.com website

Yes, I know.  I can run V20 on my desktop, my laptop and one other. 

But that's different to what I was asking about.  Someone said that you can run V12 and V20 in parallel.  But my V12 became unlicensed as soon as I did the upgrade, even before I installed V20.  Is this new, or have I just not noticed this behavior before? 

So you possibly can have both installed in parallel, you can't use both.  You probably could during the beta, but not now that the gold has been released.  I assume that if I tried to re-enter my V12 serial it would no longer be valid, despite me not having installed V20 yet (soon). 

I'd also like to hear from Jodo about the resolution of his upgrade problem, so that I can assist others in the same position.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: cortlander on December 06, 2019, 05:56:19 pm
From Capture One support:

When purchasing your pre-order for Capture One 20, or if you purchased on or after 23/10/2019 - you will have received a voucher code via email.

It will read 'license key' - please note, this is not a license key, but a voucher code.

Copy this voucher code and navigate to the upgrade store here


Select the appropriate version. For most users, this will be the standard 'Upgrade' - if you wish to purchase additional styles, then select one of the other options on the left-hand side.

Click 'Upgrade Now' - you will be presented with the checkout screen.

Enter your coupon code (remember, this is described as a 'license key' in the order confirmation email). You should then see the message 'You will not be billed today'.

For the full article click here: https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360004099138


We realise that this is not the ideal wording/process, so we are trying to remedy as best we can, and we will learn from this. Hope you enjoy the new version!
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: fdisilvestro on December 06, 2019, 06:08:47 pm
Yes, I know.  I can run V20 on my desktop, my laptop and one other. 

But that's different to what I was asking about.  Someone said that you can run V12 and V20 in parallel.  But my V12 became unlicensed as soon as I did the upgrade, even before I installed V20.  Is this new, or have I just not noticed this behavior before? 

So you possibly can have both installed in parallel, you can't use both.  You probably could during the beta, but not now that the gold has been released.  I assume that if I tried to re-enter my V12 serial it would no longer be valid, despite me not having installed V20 yet (soon). 

I'd also like to hear from Jodo about the resolution of his upgrade problem, so that I can assist others in the same position.

You need to reactivate the old version and you will be able to use both
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: julianv on December 07, 2019, 03:37:45 am
I have a minor gripe. When applying one of the processor-intensive edits (like noise reduction), my computer cam take a few seconds to update the image. This is on a maxed-out 2014 Retina 5K iMac. If the change was subtle, it may be hard to notice when the update is complete. For those cases, It would be nice if the program displayed a progress indicator. Or is there one that I have not noticed? Occasionally I get the spinning beachball cursor for other operations, but I think those are generated by system level code.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on December 07, 2019, 04:35:59 am
I have a minor gripe. When applying one of the processor-intensive edits (like noise reduction), my computer cam take a few seconds to update the image. This is on a maxed-out 2014 Retina 5K iMac. If the change was subtle, it may be hard to notice when the update is complete. For those cases, It would be nice if the program displayed a progress indicator. Or is there one that I have not noticed? Occasionally I get the spinning beachball cursor for other operations, but I think those are generated by system level code.

I don't think there is a C1 progress bar for such operations, like there is for e.g. (batch) processing to output. Could be a feature request.

A noise reduction operation triggers not only a change of all image pixels, but also an update to the cached preview. Maybe, by setting a smaller preview size you can save a little bit of time. C1 will not use the preview when you are zoomed in to 100% (it will use the original Raw), which is likely the case when doing noise reduction, but it will still need to create the preview in the background (which takes additional time if it is large).

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Dinarius on December 07, 2019, 09:59:11 am
what i don't like but maybe because i just don't know:

1 not enough lenscorrections available .
2 no history menu
3 No way to standard spot-remove the spots i always have on my sensor ( due to laserlights)

Yes, LR is better on manual lens correction options and having a history palette. C1’s purple fringing just isn’t enough for some lenses; for example, tilt-shift in my experience.

Also, LR’s incorporation of X-Rite’s camera calibration software as a fully-fledged plugin into LR Classic, and which works superbly, is something Phaseone could take note of.

That said, the expanded HDR panel in C1 20 is worth the upgrade alone. I feel like my 5D MkIV has an extra stop of DR.

D.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kers on December 07, 2019, 03:15:44 pm
Yes, LR is better on manual lens correction options and having a history palette. C1’s purple fringing just isn’t enough for some lenses; for example, tilt-shift in my experience.

Also, LR’s incorporation of X-Rite’s camera calibration software as a fully-fledged plugin into LR Classic, and which works superbly, is something Phaseone could take note of.

That said, the expanded HDR panel in C1 20 is worth the upgrade alone. I feel like my 5D MkIV has an extra stop of DR.

D.

I have to say I have become more familiar to C1 the last days... thanks to the excellent webinars and videotutorials...
and must correct it is not as fast as LR in developing RAWs, it is, and in some cases 2x as fast on my computer. I guess it depends on the type of corrections .
Also i have learned that you can remove spots easely from every photo by making it a style... (the spotless style)
So there is much to like indeed. It is almost a raw converter, a damm and a photoshop replacement in one package. Maybe it will be in future.
Even RAWculling works fast- It is a pity not all the good stuff from Media pro is incorporated.

So what stands is the lack of corrections for many good lenses... - like Sigma's ART etc...
Yes i can make my very own, but then it is much more hassle make and to apply , (but they will be personal-perfect)
and i would appreciate the possibility to make layers containing different photos. - as in Photoshop.
All in all I find it  far more refined than LR and tailored to professional photographers needs.
Just missed the BlackFriday deals, but there will be others...
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: DP on December 07, 2019, 08:16:08 pm
and which works superbly

anybody who bother himself to read manual and tutorial from dcamprof 'd refrain from using the word "superbly" hear ...
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: jodo on December 07, 2019, 09:09:10 pm
Update to my upgrade woes.
Phase support sent me the message that they had fixed the problem with my coupon code and to try again. I did and it worked.

Caveat. I did have a problem with the shopping cart form that may help someone else. The normal cart has input for all credit card info as usual but when it “clicks” over to free the card info fields are no longer there. My name was there input automagically by the C1 user database. I clicked to continue to download and nothing happened. Well after some time I realized there was a field for my zip code that was vacant and had a faint red line around it. Put in my zip and I was good to go.

So now I’m happily evaluating and learning the upgrades and tools in 20.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Dinarius on December 08, 2019, 05:54:23 am
anybody who bother himself to read manual and tutorial from dcamprof 'd refrain from using the word "superbly" hear ...

Have you tried it as a plug-in with LR Classic (NOT as a stand-alone app)?

D.

Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: G* on December 13, 2019, 07:20:00 am
Hi, everybody.

I experienced something funny for the first time. Maybe it has to do with CO.20, maybe someone knows more about it?

I developed .CR2 files (which I usually don’t, I’m Nikon) in CO, did some lens and keystone corrections, exported as .psd files, worked on the files further in Photoshop, exported to JPG. So far so good. But then, when someone else imported those JPGs into Photoshop, Camera Raw popped up and wanted to do some white balancing and further lens corrections. Why would PS want to do this? I had the same experience on my computer. Then I tried exporting from CO as TIF or even directly as JPG, but always the same: There was no way to have PS simply open the files without Camera Raw interfering. Never had this problem before (CO since 4.0).

Anyone having a clue about what’s going on?

Thanks a bunch in advance.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: earlybird on December 13, 2019, 08:38:01 am
my 2 cents:

Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: G* on December 13, 2019, 09:07:26 am
That one works. Thanks a lot!

Now I have the cure, but I have not really understood, what’s been going on and whether it’s due to CO.20 or another thing that I just haven’t been aware of until now.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: earlybird on December 13, 2019, 10:17:42 am
I am under the impression that C1 is storing info in the Metadata. I would like to know if there is an option to keep all that "extra" info in the side cars rather than embedded in the image file.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kers on December 13, 2019, 11:24:25 am
While getting familiar with C1 v20 I find the way you copy treatment to other images not very clear/transparant.

I can copy only one kind of treatment, for instance exposure settings, or everything; but everything seems to exclude rotation and cropping .
It seems i have to copy rotation separate and the same for cropping.
So to copy rotation, exposure and cropping it is three steps...
Am i doing something wrong? then please let me know.
In LR I very much like the copy treatment panel where you simply can choose what to copy.

Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Aram Hăvărneanu on December 13, 2019, 11:34:35 am
Use the adjustment clipboard:

https://www.azuloxworkshops.com/educational/capture-one/capture-one-sync-adjustments/#flexibility-and-the-adjustments-clipboard

https://help.phaseone.com/en/co7/optimizing-your-workflow/workflow-tips#item3
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kers on December 13, 2019, 12:44:41 pm
Use the adjustment clipboard:

https://www.azuloxworkshops.com/educational/capture-one/capture-one-sync-adjustments/#flexibility-and-the-adjustments-clipboard

https://help.phaseone.com/en/co7/optimizing-your-workflow/workflow-tips#item3

OK thanks!
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Doug Peterson on December 13, 2019, 12:50:24 pm
While getting familiar with C1 v20 I find the way you copy treatment to other images not very clear/transparant.

I can copy only one kind of treatment, for instance exposure settings, or everything; but everything seems to exclude rotation and cropping .
It seems i have to copy rotation separate and the same for cropping.
So to copy rotation, exposure and cropping it is three steps...
Am i doing something wrong? then please let me know.
In LR I very much like the copy treatment panel where you simply can choose what to copy.

This is one of many examples where a formal class will get you much further much faster than just hobbling through as a self-taught exercise. At least in this case you know you're missing something, and thereby can get an answer reasonably easy. The really tricky thing about learning new software is the features/workflows that you don't even know you are missing! It's hard to get answers to the questions you don't even know to ask.

Re your specific question: You can change the default copy-apply behavior in the adjustments clipboard under the [...] where it says "AutoSelect > Adjusted" vs "AutoSelect > Adjusted Except Composition". There are really good use cases for both settings.

We will have many 2020 classes on Capture One 20 listed on our Capture One Training (https://www.dtcommercialphoto.com/capture-one-training/) by the end of the year.

There are also many good (free) webinars at learn.phaseone.com if you enjoy learning in that manner.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: kers on December 13, 2019, 12:57:22 pm
This is one of many examples where a formal class will get you much further much faster than just hobbling through as a self-taught exercise. At least in this case you know you're missing something, and thereby can get an answer reasonably easy. The really tricky thing about learning new software is the features/workflows that you don't even know you are missing! It's hard to get answers to the questions you don't even know to ask.

Re your specific question: You can change the default copy-apply behavior in the adjustments clipboard under the [...] where it says "AutoSelect > Adjusted" vs "AutoSelect > Adjusted Except Composition". There are really good use cases for both settings.

We will have many 2020 classes on Capture One 20 listed on our Capture One Training (https://www.dtcommercialphoto.com/capture-one-training/) by the end of the year.

There are also many good (free) webinars at learn.phaseone.com if you enjoy learning in that manner.

I agree- it is difficult to find something you are not missing...
thanks .

What i like about C1 is that you can work in Sessions and do not have to be forced into a damm if you don't want to be - as is the case with LR.
Still as said i liked so much the media pro way of dealing with culling - it is too bad they did not make that into a solid 64 bit working experience, or combined all the goods into the sessions way of working in C1.
But maybe that is also something i just did not figure out yet.
regards,
PK



Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Rhossydd on December 13, 2019, 12:58:42 pm
if you enjoy learning in that manner.
Not particularly and impossible if you're in a location without internet.

What does seem to be missing is a PDF manual for CO 20. I've always found them invaluable for those off-grid locations.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: rread on December 13, 2019, 01:43:45 pm
While getting familiar with C1 v20 I find the way you copy treatment to other images not very clear/transparant.

I can copy only one kind of treatment, for instance exposure settings, or everything; but everything seems to exclude rotation and cropping .
It seems i have to copy rotation separate and the same for cropping.
So to copy rotation, exposure and cropping it is three steps...
Am i doing something wrong? then please let me know.
In LR I very much like the copy treatment panel where you simply can choose what to copy.

The thing you are looking for is the "Adjustments Clipboard". By default it is located in the tool tab with the checkmark on a clipboard icon. After you copy settings from an image, you can use the clipboard to enable or disable the specific settings you want, include crop and rotation.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Dinarius on December 15, 2019, 08:42:01 am
While getting familiar with C1 v20 I find the way you copy treatment to other images not very clear/transparant.

I can copy only one kind of treatment, for instance exposure settings, or everything; but everything seems to exclude rotation and cropping .
It seems i have to copy rotation separate and the same for cropping.
So to copy rotation, exposure and cropping it is three steps...
Am i doing something wrong? then please let me know.
In LR I very much like the copy treatment panel where you simply can choose what to copy.

That is also my experience. Cropping and rotation are extra steps for me too.

D.
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Bart_van_der_Wolf on December 15, 2019, 09:20:03 am
That is also my experience. Cropping and rotation are extra steps for me too.

D.

Hi,

As stated, they can be included (or excluded) from the Adjustments Clipboard.

Cheers,
Bart
Title: Re: Capture One 20 now available
Post by: Dinarius on December 15, 2019, 11:30:02 am
Hi,

As stated, they can be included (or excluded) from the Adjustments Clipboard.

Cheers,
Bart

Bart,

Thanks.

Would never need them included, so I guess that's why they're not by default after installation!  8)

Cheers.

D.