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The Art of Photography => Street Showcase => Topic started by: RSL on November 25, 2019, 09:58:48 am

Title: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: RSL on November 25, 2019, 09:58:48 am
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Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on November 25, 2019, 12:25:08 pm
Great photo; clever title that brings back musical memories! I think titles make a difference.

Again, I sense that black/white adds power and focus. Keep on truckin'!

I'm currently trawling the Internet looking for cheap replacements for my stolen Submariner; under £200 has a massive supply of such things, which having got over the "when you've had a diamond, a rhinestone just won't do"  syndrome, and really wanting the usefulness of a rotating bezel, hating having to fish out my cellphone from inner jacket pockets etc. or resorting to bothering strangers for the time (am I just imagining it, or do they indeed look worried when a stranger comes up and asks?), having given up on reviving glam rock by using the upside down necklace timepiece I bought as a fashion shoot prop in the late 60s - we kept most of that "junk" - the time seems to be ripe for fishing out the card and making a decision. I almost did twice, this morning, but hesitated and watched another review.

I'm currently thinking of the Invicta Pro Diver. Anybody with experiece of these homage watches is welcome to offer personal advice with just one caveat: I refuse to go past the two hundred line. Yeah, I know, you sometimes get what you pay for, but not always.

Rob

P.S.

Ordered the Invicta this evening. Problem - hopefully - over.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 25, 2019, 02:00:22 pm
Very fine, Russ.
His body language is very expressive.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: RSL on November 25, 2019, 03:15:59 pm
Thanks Rob. I agree that B&W often tends to bring focus onto the message. Yesterday was an amazing day. I got three pictures I was reasonably happy with. Been a long time since that happened.

I certainly hope you can find a watch that’ll do the job. I can imagine the empty feeling after the theft. It’s been a while since I’ve felt that kind of sinking sensation, but I remember what it was like. I hope the Invicta fills the bill.

And thanks, Eric.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: KLaban on November 26, 2019, 08:10:55 am
Jesus, Rob, you get mugged for your flash watch and you're going to strap another to your wrist? Seriously?
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on November 26, 2019, 09:07:55 am
Jesus, Rob, you get mugged for your flash watch and you're going to strap another to your wrist? Seriously?

You can only be a virgin once!

A bit over a hundred doesn't hurt too much (the Spanish price for a pair of Levis), but it gives me the opportunity of devising a contraption to keep it safely on the wrist. This is a bit late, but hey... ;-)

Actually, I believe that these people, being professionals, know very well what's real and what's not. This model has a large logo on the dial decidedly not Rolex, as well as an engraved insignia on the side opposite the winder. If the watch lasts longer than the three years of guarantee - or I do - I could then paint the sides in some fancy way and make the thing look like a child's watch.

I have been thinking of buying a small mouse trap, which I might leave cocked and ready to bite inside my wallet pocket instead of the wallet. I could then go to the market, wander around with the jacket undone, and see what gets caught. There is always the risk that I may catch myself, but I may be able to remember that in time. I'd hope!

Look on the bright side; not as dangerous as wandering around the casbah toting a few grand's worth of camera.

;-)

Rob


P.S.

I really am too old and close to the olde curtain falling to live what God still leaves me in fear; fuck these street rats, these hijos de putas.

Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: KLaban on November 26, 2019, 09:16:55 am
You want to risk a knife, next time?

:-(
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on November 26, 2019, 09:20:45 am
You want to risk a knife, next time?

:-(

Not really, but once in forty-seven years of wearing the thing ain't too bad - as long as these events don't also run in triplets!

;-)
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: KLaban on November 26, 2019, 09:29:29 am
Not really, but once in forty-seven years of wearing the thing ain't too bad - as long as these events don't also run in triplets!

;-)

Carrying a camera is a necessity for a photographer, strapping bling to your wrist isn't.

Take it from someone who's been on the receiving end of a knife.

Russ, apologies for hijacking your thread.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on November 26, 2019, 02:22:16 pm
Carrying a camera is a necessity for a photographer, strapping bling to your wrist isn't.

Take it from someone who's been on the receiving end of a knife.

Russ, apologies for hijacking your thread.

Indeed carrying a camera is, but only if you consider the photography worth the risk. I pretty much gave up on photography last summer, and this winter - so far - I have been hostage to the disadvantages of being the only resident on a block: running repairs, quotations, hanging on for tradespeople actually to turn up when you expect them has hi-jacked my life to a great degree. This week, I haven't even been able to do my daily walk after lunch because I have to rush straight back home to let in the guys working on the roof. If I don't, they walk out for lunch leaving both the top flat (from whence they use the open terrace as access to the roof) and the security door at the foot of the entrance lobby wide open so that they can come and go as the demands of the work dictate. Being the key holder means I feel responsible for anything that might get stolen from that top apartment. It's taken a year to get a quotation that the three of us owners think is worth accepting, so I'm not about to play silly buggers and be difficult! Now we have found reasonable guys, we want to hang on to them! There's supposed to be a shortage of work, but there is a shortage of builders still doing it, too!

But anyway, an Invicta is a cheapo, so I hope likely muggers know better; it's hardly worth the risk to them. I hope.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: KLaban on November 26, 2019, 02:42:29 pm
Indeed carrying a camera is, but only if you consider the photography worth the risk...

I wouldn't be on LuLa if I didn't consider the risk worthwhile.

But anyway, an Invicta is a cheapo, so I hope likely muggers know better; it's hardly worth the risk to them. I hope.

Most muppets with a knife in their pocket haven't two brain cells to rub together, they'd see an 80 year old with bling strapped to his wrist as an open invitation.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: RSL on November 26, 2019, 03:59:34 pm
Rob, I have to tell 'ya, I tend to agree with Keith on this one. Nice to have the watch, but wearing it around, especially at night, seems sort of asking for it.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on November 26, 2019, 05:09:45 pm
Rob, I have to tell 'ya, I tend to agree with Keith on this one. Nice to have the watch, but wearing it around, especially at night, seems sort of asking for it.

Russ, I'm never out at night! Where would I go, and with whom?

Frankly, I'm almost never out of this little town, and had I not overlooked the fact that Wednesdays are market day, that street rat bitch wouldn't have been here. They follow the markets from town to town and find tourists, mainly. I was in the wrong place on the wrong day: market day!

That said, a bit more caution does no harm at all.

Rob
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: rabanito on November 27, 2019, 06:24:49 pm
You want to risk a knife, next time?

:-(

I don't think that he's risking a knife.
What for? Just wait until he buys a new watch and rob him again
Don't kill the goose with the golden eggs

Just a liitle joke  ;)
Good luck
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: James Clark on November 27, 2019, 10:54:20 pm
Great photo; clever title that brings back musical memories! I think titles make a difference.

Again, I sense that black/white adds power and focus. Keep on truckin'!

I'm currently trawling the Internet looking for cheap replacements for my stolen Submariner; under £200 has a massive supply of such things, which having got over the "when you've had a diamond, a rhinestone just won't do"  syndrome, and really wanting the usefulness of a rotating bezel, hating having to fish out my cellphone from inner jacket pockets etc. or resorting to bothering strangers for the time (am I just imagining it, or do they indeed look worried when a stranger comes up and asks?), having given up on reviving glam rock by using the upside down necklace timepiece I bought as a fashion shoot prop in the late 60s - we kept most of that "junk" - the time seems to be ripe for fishing out the card and making a decision. I almost did twice, this morning, but hesitated and watched another review.

I'm currently thinking of the Invicta Pro Diver. Anybody with experiece of these homage watches is welcome to offer personal advice with just one caveat: I refuse to go past the two hundred line. Yeah, I know, you sometimes get what you pay for, but not always.

Rob

P.S.

Ordered the Invicta this evening. Problem - hopefully - over.

If the Invicta doesn’t work out, Seiko’s automatics are quality for the price - might be a hair over 200 but the quality is a step up
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2019, 10:38:38 am
If the Invicta doesn’t work out, Seiko’s automatics are quality for the price - might be a hair over 200 but the quality is a step up

Thanks, James, the Invicta was delivered yesterday afternoon. It looks quite the real deal, and feels just as heavy, if not more so - perhaps they add hidden ballast for effect? It has a Seiko unit inside it. One of our bank tellers has a Seiko Sea Urchin; it looks pretty good too.

Perhaps by tomorrow I shall be able to wear it: the bracelet is far too big and attempts to remove links from it as per Internet instructions were foiled because I have nothing fine enough to employ as a punch to dislodge the pins that hold the links together. This should be fixed tomorrow by a friendly jeweller I spoke with this morning.

That's the first difference I noticed with the lost watch: it never needed any messing about with before wearing: the adjustment choices on the catch were better designed.

Ciao -
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on November 28, 2019, 10:39:29 am
I don't think that he's risking a knife.
What for? Just wait until he buys a new watch and rob him again
Don't kill the goose with the golden eggs

Just a liitle joke  ;)
Good luck

;-)
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: RSL on November 28, 2019, 10:44:03 am
I've never really understood the watch thing. I had my Rolex. It was a fine watch, and it's still a fine watch on my eldest son's wrist. But my wrists shrank as I aged. For a long time now I've worn a cheap Casio with a digital display. Keeps perfect time. Which is why I wear a watch.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Eric Myrvaagnes on November 28, 2019, 12:26:37 pm
I've never really understood the watch thing. I had my Rolex. It was a fine watch, and it's still a fine watch on my eldest son's wrist. But my wrists shrank as I aged. For a long time now I've worn a cheap Casio with a digital display. Keeps perfect time. Which is why I wear a watch.
Me too.
For the last forty years or so I've never worn anything but a cheap digital Timex.
As Russ says, "Keeps perfect time. Which is why I wear a watch."
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: KLaban on November 28, 2019, 12:58:53 pm
I've never really understood the watch thing. I had my Rolex. It was a fine watch, and it's still a fine watch on my eldest son's wrist. But my wrists shrank as I aged. For a long time now I've worn a cheap Casio with a digital display. Keeps perfect time. Which is why I wear a watch.

Ditto.

And before anyone makes the accusation of jealousy, I could, if I had a mind to, go out tomorrow and buy a Rolex, IWC, Breitling...after all the cost would be similar to that of a decent trip to India.

Like Eric, I owned and wore a cheap (£5,bought in Lanzarote in 1980) digital watch for 30+ years and was sad when the display became unreadable.

But hey, each to their own.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: James Clark on December 02, 2019, 01:39:43 pm
Ditto.

And before anyone makes the accusation of jealousy, I could, if I had a mind to, go out tomorrow and buy a Rolex, IWC, Breitling...after all the cost would be similar to that of a decent trip to India.

Like Eric, I owned and wore a cheap (£5,bought in Lanzarote in 1980) digital watch for 30+ years and was sad when the display became unreadable.

But hey, each to their own.

Watches and cars - a guy's only real chance to enjoy jewelry ;).  I have to confess to loving both, but as I get older I've become much more appreciative of the classics in both, probably as I've become more tolerant of the shortcomings of "old" designs.  Come to think of it, I'm currently enjoying a nw Fujifilm XT3 system I got for travel, so this "classic" approach seems to be a thing for me now.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2019, 02:41:03 pm
There are many reasons why people like what they like. You could say that a cheap watch can tell you the time as well as can a Rolex - most of which I have had personal knowledge of have not been particularly good at keeping time, certainly not as good as the clock on the kitchen wall, for example, which as long as I remember to point the boiling kettle away from it, works well on its AA batteries. Like the Nikon F4s did, come to think of it, and had it loaded first time every time too, I might have kept it.

What is completely overlooked in these kinds of equations is appreciation of aesthetics: my first sight of the Submariner told me that it was the most beautiful watch I had ever seen. It cost me, back in '72, just short of a hundred quid: it was, I think, considered by Rolex to be a sports item, a watch for folks who liked the sea and getting very wet. I don't think they imagined it would also be thought of as jewellery later in its life. Today, the prices for that item on the Internet are in the region of euros 12,600. That is some appreciation, and when I had the thing serviced a couple of years ago, the agent remarked that it was probably of an age to be considered a collectible, loading the value even higher, as with those old new Leicas that live in display cabinets from the day of purchase.

Back to the aesthetics: there are Rolexes and there are Rolexes. The multi-coloured ones leave me cold, as do the gold ones. As for those covered with diamonds, I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a bookie or publican, a politician or even a Mafia capo.

That said, I discovered that my new cheapo replacement has another problem other than just being a substitute: turning the unidirectional bezel takes hands like pliers. I had filled out the online return document thinking of sending it straight back whence it had come, when something made me pause and go back online to check the experiences of others: the reality seems to be that it comes with the furniture. What's the point of returning it when the chances are the next one will be exactly the same? None. At the price, and as my swimming and snorkey days are but memory, it matters not a jot; even parking meters are unimportant now, and the cooker does have a tinger that tells me when the soup's ready.

So yeah, it's not all about the time at all. Why should it have to be?

Just struck me: at the time, my brand new Nikon F or F2 each cost me more than my brand new Rolex.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturallynd
Post by: Ivo_B on December 02, 2019, 03:33:08 pm
There are many reasons why people like what they like. You could say that a cheap watch can tell you the time as well as can a Rolex - most of which I have had personal knowledge of have not been particularly good at keeping time, certainly not as good as the clock on the kitchen wall, for example, which as long as I remember to point the boiling kettle away from it, works well on its AA batteries. Like the Nikon F4s did, come to think of it, and had it loaded first time every time too, I might have kept it.

What is completely overlooked in these kinds of equations is appreciation of aesthetics: my first sight of the Submariner told me that it was the most beautiful watch I had ever seen. It cost me, back in '72, just short of a hundred quid: it was, I think, considered by Rolex to be a sports item, a watch for folks who liked the sea and getting very wet. I don't think they imagined it would also be thought of as jewellery later in its life. Today, the prices for that item on the Internet are in the region of euros 12,600. That is some appreciation, and when I had the thing serviced a couple of years ago, the agent remarked that it was probably of an age to be considered a collectible, loading the value even higher, as with those old new Leicas that live in display cabinets from the day of purchase.

Back to the aesthetics: there are Rolexes and there are Rolexes. The multi-coloured ones leave me cold, as do the gold ones. As for those covered with diamonds, I wouldn't want to be mistaken for a bookie or publican, a politician or even a Mafia capo.

That said, I discovered that my new cheapo replacement has another problem other than just being a substitute: turning the unidirectional bezel takes hands like pliers. I had filled out the online return document thinking of sending it straight back whence it had come, when something made me pause and go back online to check the experiences of others: the reality seems to be that it comes with the furniture. What's the point of returning it when the chances are the next one will be exactly the same? None. At the price, and as my swimming and snorkey days are but memory, it matters not a jot; even parking meters are unimportant now, and the cooker does have a tinger that tells me when the soup's ready.

So yeah, it's not all about the time at all. Why should it have to be?

Just struck me: at the time, my brand new Nikon F or F2 each cost me more than my brand new Rolex.

I didn’t want to spoil your purchase pleasure, but I knew the bezel is merely a gimmick on the counterfeit watches.
A decent working and smooth clicking bezel cost probably more than the whole watch.
I also have a weak spot for mechanical time pieces and other fine mechanics. Because you had a 200$ max, I didn’t mention the bargain of the moment: Tissot Visodate. Beautiful automatic watch sporting the affordable caliber ETA 2836-2. Few (3) years ago it was for sale around 300€, now up to 550€. Reason why it’s a bargain: Tissot and ETA are part of the Swatch group. Tissot can buy the calibers at lower cost than watch makers not belonging to the Swatch group.

And yes, once you had the real thing, the rest is, well, just the rest. I had an nice collection fountain pens, until I got myself a Mont Blanc Meisterstück and the quest for fountain pens was over.

....

O, and don’t mention mechanical camera’s......  ;D
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturallynd
Post by: Rob C on December 02, 2019, 04:13:14 pm
I didn’t want to spoil your purchase pleasure, but I knew the bezel is merely a gimmick on the counterfeit watches.
A decent working and smooth clicking bezel cost probably more than the whole watch.
I also have a weak spot for mechanical time pieces and other fine mechanics. Because you had a 200$ max, I didn’t mention the bargain of the moment: Tissot Visodate. Beautiful automatic watch sporting the affordable caliber ETA 2836-2. Few (3) years ago it was for sale around 300€, now up to 550€. Reason why it’s a bargain: Tissot and ETA are part of the Swatch group. Tissot can buy the calibers at lower cost than watch makers not belonging to the Swatch group.

And yes, once you had the real thing, the rest is, well, just the rest. I had an nice collection fountain pens, until I got myself a Mont Blanc Meisterstück and the quest for fountain pens was over.

....

O, and don’t mention mechanical camera’s......  ;D


Yes, I'm fond of Tissot watches too; my grandfather had one and so did I; when my daughter was old enough, that's the brand we bought for her. She was quite pleased when, sitting in the dentist's chair, he told her it was a very nice watch for a little girl. She is more fortunate than our son: she got her Mum's Rolex when Ann died but our son won't get mine. Which makes me feel kinda sick at the injustice.

I have a very old Montblanc pen and propelling pencil set; I was able to get the pen serviced free: it was the company policy, apparently. I never use it. I tried writing a cheque with it once, and the poor quality of paper meant it just flooded; stuff today is designed for ballpoints.

Actually, and further to the other thread where Rolex has been discussed a bit, the truth is that if you can afford it, there is nothing more pleasing than having something you believe is the very best thing of its kind available. It's justification enough. Hence Ferrari, Bugatti et al.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: KLaban on December 03, 2019, 04:03:29 am
Many of these watches are indeed beautiful, until worn on the wrist, when they become bling.

Hell, I'm even embarrassed to be seen with a camera.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on December 03, 2019, 04:41:31 am
Many of these watches are indeed beautiful, until worn on the wrist, when they become bling.

Hell, I'm even embarrassed to be seen with a camera.

I can sympathise about cameras - here, they mark one as a tourist. I can't think of anyone other than myself, expat or local, who uses them unless they be wedding snappers, another once-thriving business here that has been crippled by digital and self-catering snappers.

Thinking about this fact just makes it so obvious that photography as hobby is dead in the water.

Rob

Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: KLaban on December 03, 2019, 08:50:14 am
I can sympathise about cameras - here, they mark one as a tourist. I can't think of anyone other than myself, expat or local, who uses them unless they be wedding snappers, another once-thriving business here that has been crippled by digital and self-catering snappers.

Thinking about this fact just makes it so obvious that photography as hobby is dead in the water.

Rob

Pro, hobbyist, whatever, I'm driven by a compulsive need to create images, regardless of reward.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: RSL on December 03, 2019, 09:28:33 am
So am I, Keith. Always have been, always will be.

And Rob, I think what you’re calling photography as a hobby has been dead in the water for a long time. What isn’t dead in the water is equipment fixation. The kind of hobbyists you’re talking about are equipment bugs. They love having the latest, greatest stuff. Feels good in their hands, and they love showing it off. I’ll never forget the guy who walked by me one night in St. Augustine with two large DSLRs clipped to one of those belt and suspender equipment belts, and a third in his hands. For a view of this approach to “photography,” check “Nikonians.”

What’s happened is that, as Brooks Jensen said in LensWork: with the onset of digital, anybody – just anybody – can produce a technically adequate picture. Two years ago I wrote an essay on the subject: http://www.russ-lewis.com/essays/TechnicalExcellence.htm, so I won't elaborate here.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on December 04, 2019, 02:53:56 pm
For Ivo.

Quickie in the office with D200 and 2.8/105 Micro Nikkor manual lens.

Sadly, I think my daughter's childhood Tissot vanished, as did my own once the swimming meister entered my life.

:-(

P.S.

No, it doesn't work; the crown pulls right out and is rusted... it was bought just after WW2.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: James Clark on December 05, 2019, 05:27:13 pm
For Ivo.

Quickie in the office with D200 and 2.8/105 Micro Nikkor manual lens.

Sadly, I think my daughter's childhood Tissot vanished, as did my own once the swimming meister entered my life.

:-(

P.S.

No, it doesn't work; the crown pulls right out and is rusted... it was bought just after WW2.

Wow, Rob.  That's really interesting - thanks for sharing :)
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on December 06, 2019, 04:10:46 am
Wow, Rob.  That's really interesting - thanks for sharing :)

I find that lens to be a very good one; it has a locking screw that is smooth to use, and locks focus whenever you have nailed it, especially useful when the camera is pointing downwards. I think this was shot at f8.

There is a long throw though, that is or is not better for focussing - sometimes it feels that it's too easy to start winding in and out as your eye tries to make up its mind! This might well be a result of the digital camera focusing screens that are not so good for manual focussing as the old camera ones are. I am not sure why this should be the case, but it seems to be so. In the instance of the watch, a split-image centre area would have been pretty helpful!

It's also said that that kind of lens (micro/macro, whatever the different marques decide to label them) is not that great at normal or distance shots; John Shaw, the photographer and author, used the same Nikkor as this for some of his landscape work, and he did very well indeed with it. Since going digital, perhaps everything has changed for him, but I no longer buy that kind of book, so am not up to speed.

Rob
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: petermfiore on December 06, 2019, 06:45:26 am

Hell, I'm even embarrassed to be seen with a camera.

You have Issues?  ;~) Lol Keeping it light...

Peter
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: KLaban on December 06, 2019, 08:15:11 am
You have Issues?  ;~) Lol Keeping it light...

Peter

Believe me, Peter, I have issues.

;-)
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: RSL on December 06, 2019, 09:53:31 am
Anyone on here without "issues," previously known as "problems?" If so, please tell us your secret of success.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Rob C on December 06, 2019, 10:33:38 am
Anyone on here without "issues," previously known as "problems?" If so, please tell us your secret of success.


It's quite simple: one just has to look on the bright side of everything. A guillotine with a highly polished blade is a wondrous sight to behold!

With a good stopwatch you can even measure the time remaing before you shake hands with St Peter! Isn't that progress?
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: Ivo_B on December 06, 2019, 01:41:34 pm
For Ivo.

Quickie in the office with D200 and 2.8/105 Micro Nikkor manual lens.

Sadly, I think my daughter's childhood Tissot vanished, as did my own once the swimming meister entered my life.

:-(

P.S.



No, it doesn't work; the crown pulls right out and is rusted... it was bought just after WW2.

That’s a beautiful vintage time piece, Rob.
Title: Re: Alone Again, Naturally
Post by: rabanito on December 06, 2019, 03:03:15 pm

It's quite simple: one just has to look on the bright side of everything. A guillotine with a highly polished blade is a wondrous sight to behold!

Haha.
In my "Manual of Survival at Sea" they make a reference to the magnificent view of a shark's dorsal fin while he's circling around you.
Enjoy  :(